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It all started on Halloween at midnight. That's when The Kid and I got tossed out of the local bar -- for talking too loud -- and then handed a $220 bar tab.

In their defense, we're loud talkers. And the Jazz Butchers were hacking through a set onstage. In our defense, the club was, as Joe Namath would say, "strug-a-ling." Did I mention The Kid and I drop a few hundred bucks there per month? Or dropped, I guess I should say.

So who was right?
There was a time when the answer would have been obvious. I'm not so sure anymore. And, frankly, as a stock investor once proud to be called a "perma-bull" on American business, this has me nervous. How about I tell you what has me worried, and you decide whether I'm overreacting.

First, you should know that I'm not much of a consumer, but I was recently thrust into the consumer economy by two unusual events. The first was a long-overdue move from Maryland to Virginia. The second was the worst Christmas shopping season in decades. Frankly, I didn't like what I saw.

Let's start with the low-lying fruit -- Verizon (NYSE: VZ). In its defense, I was trying to cancel my old phone service. That could explain why the phone call took 50 minutes, forced me to miss an important meeting, and almost got me fired (I know what you're thinking, but I'd live in a box before I'd hang up and start that ordeal over!).

Please take my money!
My colleague Dan had a different story. He was trying to give Verizon money. Apparently, that also involves hours of transfers, pleas, and threats. I especially liked when he demanded to be transferred … to Comcast. The folks at Verizon were apparently less impressed than I was.

Does any of this so far strike you as -- I don't know -- out of touch? Especially given the money Verizon and Comcast spend trying to acquire new customers. I couldn't help thinking of those bumbling Ford (NYSE: F) and General Motors (NYSE: GM) execs flying to Washington to bellyache about how the "credit crunch" is destroying their business.

And I typically support the U.S. auto industry! Now, I'm wondering whether these guys live on the same planet we do, much less understand what it takes to unload a $25,000 car in a recession. With these Keystone Kops at the helm, I feel for the rank-and-file auto workers, no matter how generously they're reportedly paid.

As for the folks at my neighborhood Lowe's (NYSE: LOW) -- well, not so much.

"I'll be thinking about you"
"When I read that Lowe's just let go of 15,000 workers, I'll be thinking about you." That's my takeaway from a half-dozen or so Lowe's visits in November. If you think that's harsh, try this: Stop by your local store. If you find one guy (or gal) who seems to understand what it takes to sell a $50 doorknob in a recession, let me know.

Just please don't get me started on Best Buy (NYSE: BBY). Blast! You got me started -- but don't worry, this one's good. It even has a happy twist at the end, though it starts out a tad grim -- with a kid in the "home theater" department asking whether I'd bought the "Black Tie" protection with my surround sound.

Apparently, if you want a $1,000 piece of electronic equipment to make noise for more than 13 days, you have to pay for some sort of "protection" plan. Nobody hipped me to that, dude! As for the "Geek Squad" -- either their hands were tied or they wanted nothing to do with my silent little black box.

"This is what you call customer service"
Long story short, I landed in "customer service" -- where I learned that if I went home and gathered all 15 pieces that came with the system, the somnambulist behind the counter would "push it back to home theater and make sure I really did bring back all the pieces that came with it."

That might not sound like much, but it was progress. Remember, I hadn't purchased the "Black Tie" protection, and the Geeks weren't about to pop open a 13-day-old stereo receiver that probably needed a 50-cent fuse. If my best bet was to load my broken-down home theater system into a tattered box and drag it across the showroom floor … well, let's just say it was on.

You'll be surprised how this one turned out. But first, it's time for the all-important investment lesson: In the 1980s, a guy named Peter Lynch taught us we can find more great stock ideas in the shopping mall than on Wall Street. Well, in January 2009, the same thing holds for finding great "short" ideas.

This fish rots from …
That's because, unlike the auto industry, which clearly rotted from the top, consumer and retail businesses break down at the store -- even the employee -- level. Think about it: When you make your money one customer at a time, that's where the rubber meets the road -- and you're the customer.

That's why companies that make up ground in tough times put so much emphasis on service and "word of mouth" -- we'll look at Apple (Nasdaq: AAPL) and Amazon.com (Nasdaq: AMZN), among others, in my next article. Unfortunately, my recent tangle with the U.S. consumer economy has me wondering whether those aren't more the exception than the rule.

If so, we're in big trouble. After all, apathy and shoddy customer service might fly in a go-go economy, but the days of chasing your spendthrift regulars out of an empty bar are gone. That probably sounds obvious, but I seriously wonder whether the bloated U.S. corporations that got fat on the easy-money expansion can shape up in time.

If not, short these dogs!
Look, I've never been much for shorting the market. Remember, I'm a long-term perma-bull and have faith in American workers. But that doesn't go for every individual company, or even every sector. More and more, I'm waking up to the fact that the purge is just beginning and there's money to be made on the short side.

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  • Report this Comment On January 07, 2009, at 2:28 PM, doorcorp wrote:

    You can add ATT to that list of 'customer comes last' companies. I signed up for a 3 year 'bundle deal' that was supposed to reduce my DSL service by 5 bucks a month. Instead it went up by 40 smackers/month. That was about 6 months ago. I spent 63 minutes on hold before a recording told me all reps were still busy and I could email my request. I graciously accepted their kind offer and informed the recording of my decision. That was 2 days ago and counting. Check your bills everbody.

    This morning I sold my meager shares of T. After reading your article I wish I had sold short. Then again, if they can get away with it????

  • Report this Comment On January 07, 2009, at 2:41 PM, ByrneShill wrote:

    You americans really have it bad. I go to US 2-3 times a year, and everytime I'm amazed at how bad the service/retail industry is in USA. Half the people in the service industry would be fired after a day here. Even our best buy/wal-mart employees aren't as useless as yours.

  • Report this Comment On January 07, 2009, at 2:42 PM, dividendgrowth wrote:

    When it comes customer service, no company is worse than Comcast and Sprint.

    AT&T is a saint compared to the above 2 guys.

  • Report this Comment On January 07, 2009, at 2:45 PM, doorcorp wrote:

    Go into Lowes aka Home Depot and wander around as if looking for something. It is amusing to try to make eye conatct with an employee as they rush down the aisles 3 abreast heading for the break room.

  • Report this Comment On January 07, 2009, at 3:49 PM, rfaramir wrote:

    I think you lost your train of thought, somewhere around where you threw out your pitch for MF Pro (which at least looks interesting).

    What happened with your stereo? Is Best Buy going to survive the downturn through decent customer service, or is it doomed?

  • Report this Comment On January 07, 2009, at 4:03 PM, Synergism wrote:

    My family has always used customer service as one factor in determining which businesses to patronize, and sometimes a shopping decision comes down to that one factor. For example, we shopped Circuit City instead of Best Buy, and we drive a little further for Home Depot rather than Lowe's (but only when Ace doesn't have what we want). Circuit City's demise is only the most recent of a long list of times we've been outvoted by our fellow consumers.

  • Report this Comment On January 07, 2009, at 5:16 PM, darryl1 wrote:

    I've read your description of your Best Buy experience and

    as someone who has been in electronics retailing for years, you sound like an all thumbs type of individual who

    should have been fired for his ineptitude. We kindly refer

    to you as an PSO , Product Smarter than Operator.

    Hopefully others won't indict a company on your failure to read the owners manual and nogotiate the power

    button.

  • Report this Comment On January 07, 2009, at 5:39 PM, TMFMarlowe wrote:

    darryl1, are you really seriously saying that a customer who believes that his brand-new thousand-dollar item isn't working properly should be "fired for his ineptitude"?

    This attitude is exactly -- EXACTLY -- the problem.

  • Report this Comment On January 07, 2009, at 5:50 PM, burdavis wrote:

    I'm confused: Is Paul saying we should short BBY? If so, maybe he should tell the Million-Dollar Portfolio folks in his own backyard: they recommended (and purchased) BBY in May and Aug last year, and currently have a Buy recommendation on the stock.

  • Report this Comment On January 07, 2009, at 6:16 PM, DAL55 wrote:

    I was in Home Depot a few times in the last week or so. I was floored on how many people ask me if I needed help. Someone @ HD must have gotten the memo. The only problem now they are asking if you want to open a HD credit card up. And asking & asking.

  • Report this Comment On January 07, 2009, at 6:33 PM, ybnvusbu wrote:

    Darryl1 must be a BB door lizard "May I see your receipt, please!" I don't think so. Customer's Priviledge trumps Shopkeeper's Priviledge any day of the week. I don't mean to ridicule mr. d but when someone is being condescending, I automatically check for spelling. I do believe that I have never nogotiated b4.

  • Report this Comment On January 07, 2009, at 7:01 PM, TMFRael wrote:

    Hold off on that BBY short, bd. There's more to the story... I'm pulling it together right now for Pt. 2. Want to make sure I do it justice.

  • Report this Comment On January 07, 2009, at 7:17 PM, wldgrdnr wrote:

    How totally irresponsible to recommend shorting stocks...don't you realize it is the investors you hurt when you do that? If you have a problem with management take it up with the management or stop doing business with the company....I just lost a LOT of respect for Motley Fool

  • Report this Comment On January 07, 2009, at 7:29 PM, motleyanimal wrote:

    Think of the US consumer. How would you like to deal with those obnoxious overweight people, touching everything with their greasy hamburger-stained fingers and knocking over all the merchandise with their super-sized hips?

  • Report this Comment On January 07, 2009, at 7:32 PM, janbam wrote:

    I think Paul was still outlouding when he wrote this piece - it is fractured yet strung together with all things emotionally infuriating that come to mind when on with "customer service".

    Retribution (distinguished from shorting) has little place in the operations of investing.

    MF: Please read Mr. Elliott's pieces before being

    put out, checking for cohesive thinking and advice that stands above the fray.

    Thank you, and I really enjoy your website and extraordinary investment advice - you have helped us make a lot of money (!!!).

  • Report this Comment On January 07, 2009, at 8:17 PM, kluttzy wrote:

    My mind was made up about Best Buy several years ago when we returned a landline phone that never worked properly. Because we did not have the box the phone came in, we were docked (I think) $15.00 on our refund.

    Over the years, we have purchased thousands of dollars worth of electronics, but nothing from BBY, and I wonder if anyone there would even care that a $15.00 box cost them so much.

  • Report this Comment On January 07, 2009, at 8:21 PM, TellyL wrote:

    The article suggests we short companies that provide us with anecdotal evidence of customer abuse. If that is defined by scarce or minimally informed sales staff, what should we do with the Costco model or other warehouse stores? The fact is that Home Depot and others redefined the equation for success in retailing. Who needs sales people when you can buy at the lowest available price -- and then get 10 percent off if you find anyone matching it? I agree this should be about investing, not about retribution. The no-help stores will likely recover faster than most in the current slump. And then return to rewarding their shareholders with rising earnings.

  • Report this Comment On January 07, 2009, at 8:33 PM, rejectedpitch wrote:

    This was one of the most ineffective pitches I've read around here. The conflicted and incoherent article appears to have been written while the author was angry and in desperate need of some quiet time. That is most un-Foolish and has the net effect of steering me clear of anything to do with the MF Pro product. Sorry guys, but you need to research your subjects first and apply logic instead of raw emotion.

  • Report this Comment On January 07, 2009, at 9:10 PM, booyah016 wrote:

    I take offense that you're bashing best buy but use a picture of a circuit city home entertainment sale. Circuit City is hurting enough.. FRANKIE SAYS RELAX

  • Report this Comment On January 07, 2009, at 9:27 PM, Whatfoolz wrote:

    I do agree with janbam reply

    Paul Elliott's post "is fractured yet strung together with all things emotionally infuriating . . . "

    He does the founders and top honchos a disservice when airing his wandering, ill-considered piece, suggestion shorting a company because he got his feelings hurt. This is a juvenile bully-like form of gossip not suited to my long-term good sense of MF execs.

  • Report this Comment On January 07, 2009, at 9:48 PM, iperian wrote:

    I can't agree more about BestBuys hate for there customers....

    My local store is always jammed with people so it's impossible to get some face time with a member of there staff when you need assistance. When you do manage to catch one, they act trapped, nervous and hurried. Problem: Under Staffed / Under Trained / Over Caffineated

    If you attempt to call the store with the hopes of speaking with a specific department prepare to dedicate a good hour of your day or spread across several days holding for someone to pick up; during this hours time frame you will be transferred to the wrong department, disconnected and/or give up!

    Problem: No one is held responsible or dedicated to their department.

    "Customer (DIS)Service"

    Customer= me, so the focus should be geared towards me...not you, your supervisor, BestBuy, etc but ME the Customer, focus on the solution not the problem or who’s fault it is.

    Service= NONE.

    They end each call: "Can I assist you with anything else"

    You haven’t remedied the first problem, you really want to move on to another?

    Problem: The title.

    God forbid you actually buy something and need to exchange/return it; another 1/2 hr waiting in the return line like cattle unknowingly about to be slaughtered. You’re called up with the shrill of NEXT!

    No eye contact or greeting. (Sample of most recent and absolute last time I ever encounter this)

    BBY: Do you have a receipt (oh is that the new Hello?)

    ME: Good yourself…yes I have a receipt.

    BBY: What's wrong with it? (She yanks it from the bag and drops it on the floor)

    ME: Nothing other than you just dropped it on the floor.

    BBY: This was opened (picking at the seal of the box)

    ME: No it wasn't, but if you keep picking at it, it will certainly look like it was.

    BBY: Yaw it was! (exact wording and context.. also chewing gum!)

    ME: It wasn't and I'm not going to argue with you…I just want to return IT for something else

    BBY: Calls for a higher Power (Pivots, not a full turn and yells: STAN! THIS GUY WANTS TO RETURN THIS, IT WAS OPENED!)

    ME: Little embarrassed, not the blatant accusation but that I actually spent money here

    BBY2: Moseys on over after 30 seconds or so (feels like 10 minutes)

    BBY2: Same rap…opened?

    ME: No

    BBY2: Yes

    ME: No...(Product in Question $400- Blu-Ray Player, never opened, Christmas gift with receipt)

    This isn't something you buy for temporary use with the hopes of returning it the next day, it’s not a Wedding Gown with the tag tucked under the arm.

    Very long story short:

    I'm told that they can't take it back for an exchange and/or for even a gift card/credit because it is over $50- (Find me something in that store that isn't over $50-)

    I feel defeated once again.

    As I leave I tell them...

    Nothing.

    I the end their miserable and their jobs either the cause or their punishment; it’s my own fault for ever shopping there.

    Exiting the door I hear faintly in the back...NEXT!

    Problem: Nobody Cares

  • Report this Comment On January 07, 2009, at 9:59 PM, gabbysmom wrote:

    Shorting a stock is not retribution, and I don't see how it hurts the investors in the stock.

  • Report this Comment On January 07, 2009, at 10:16 PM, wrkdiver wrote:

    We bought an HP printer for a City of LA project, and when we had a problem, took it to Fry's service dept.

    They insisted on us paying a $35 deposit, which they said HP would cover if it was truly a warranty problem - Guess What? HP said Fry's shouldn't have charged us, and we never were able to get it out of them - so much for Fries. I have bought thousands of dollars of electronics from Circuit City, usually the prices are lower, and they keep offering a year, or six months of zero interest if you use their credit card. I have saved a "long ton" of money on those offers

  • Report this Comment On January 07, 2009, at 10:48 PM, trenton1ryan wrote:

    <The conflicted and incoherent article appears to have been written while the author was angry and in desperate need of some quiet time.>

    < wandering, ill-considered piece>

    The above are the two biggest problems with the article. What makes me laugh is that it's a lead in to selling MFP. Hope this isn't the only sales pitch you have for that service.

    Paul, your writing leaves a lot to be desired. If you make over 60k a year, I want your job. Though I make about that as a manager at Trader Joe's (where, incidently, we put on a clinic in customer service EVERY DAY), I'd much rather write from home for a living. My grammar, spelling, and punctuation are above average. Plus, I have a degree. Are there any openings there that would allow me to still live on the west coast??

  • Report this Comment On January 07, 2009, at 10:51 PM, Stockcorvair wrote:

    Its been my experience that the bigger the company, the dumber it is. I sometimes think that more money is made by accident in billing errors then with selling their actual products.

  • Report this Comment On January 08, 2009, at 1:00 AM, PoundMutt wrote:

    You wrote: "...I couldn't help thinking of those bumbling Ford (NYSE: F) and General Motors (NYSE: GM) execs flying to Washington..."

    How about those other bumblers:

    Toyota - LATEST sales figures DOWN 37%, closing Japanese plants for 11 days.

    Honda - LATEST sales figures DOWN 35%.

  • Report this Comment On January 08, 2009, at 3:27 AM, evalsmed wrote:

    Sorry but I found this article incomprehensible!

  • Report this Comment On January 08, 2009, at 8:11 AM, KWT8011 wrote:

    The idea of shorting a company because your local store had some unmotivated employees is silly. Two things:

    1. I had a really nice experience returning a 37" flat screen at my local Best Buy. I bought it July 4th weekend, wasn't in stock (bummer, but it was a good price, so we could wait), brought it home, assembled, turned on and the screen was broken (not visibly cracked on the outside, but it just didn't work. Expecting the worst, I loaded up the TV in the box, drove it back in my Ford Focus, pushed the thing to Cust. Service. They plugged it in, said yep, doesn't work and promptly got a new one from the back. Their service exceeded my expectations, albeit rather low.

    2. I've worked in retail for 7 years prior to graduating from college in a pharmacy chain and I know my store's service was far and away better than the other 3 pharmacies in my zip code, and probably better than the RiteAid down the street. I also know my customer service, computer skills, and knowledge were better than some of my coworkers. I'm convinced that your experience is wholly dependent on the individual helping you, and thus shorting a stock based on a singular experience is a tad irrational.

  • Report this Comment On January 08, 2009, at 2:27 PM, TMFRael wrote:

    Apparently, my editor's lack of editing skills prevented me from getting my point across! Rather than beat a horse, here’s a comment from Anthony who was kind enough to sum it up this way in an email…

    “If I am not buying at a place that is giving poor service… are there others that feel the same as me and are taking there money to a business that IS giving good service?

    Long term -- There is a reason why one store is full of customers and another is having a going out of business sale.

    My money is on the winners."

    Thanks, Anthony. Well said.

  • Report this Comment On January 08, 2009, at 3:59 PM, rockcityfire wrote:

    While I agree that observing the customer service of employees of a retail store or call centre will give "some" clues to the company's stock performance, relying on that as an investing strategy is stupid.

    If I apply the same investing logic to this article, (a poorly written pile of emotional whining, disguised as a thinly veiled sales pitch for MFP) I'd certainly be shorting MF if I could.

    C'mon, you can to better than this.

  • Report this Comment On January 08, 2009, at 5:46 PM, blunney wrote:

    So, there I was, buying a new dryer from Best Buy. It was Christmas time, 2008, and we had a house full, so needed a working dryer. It put a real damper on the gift buying. My wife and I decided to pay the extra money for next day delivery, since the laundry was piling up. The worker bee took my in-store order, name, address, money. So far, so good.

    Then the delivery manager calls at 7:30 am on the day the dryer is supposed to be delivered. "Can't deliver it today, it didn't make it onto the truck." So after many phone calls (and a couple of hours spent on hold) I locate an identical dryer at another local Best Buy store. I go to the first one to get my money back so I can buy from the other store.

    Turns out you can't get your money back if you wrote a check (i.e. used "real" money instead of credit, something I like to do as a matter of course). I have to wait 10 days to get a check from BB. Plus they will issue me new coupons for the ones I used to purchase the first machine. I'll get those in 4-6 weeks. Now, to get a dryer today, I have to come up with another $400 bucks - at Christmas time. Thanks, Best Buy.

    Still, that's not a bad as Target. They won't take any returns at all after 30 days or over $35.

    I bought the kids a dual-display Polaroid DVD player for the van in July 2008, when it was on sale, as a Christmas present. Pulled it out in late November 2008 to use during the 12-hour Thanksgiving drive to Grandma's house. DOA. Go to Target. Sorry, you're on your own. Here's an 800 number to contact the manufacturer. They at least let me exchange it for another Polaroid DVD player (same model). It works for 2 hours, then goes toes up. Same story from Target - here's the 800 number. Your receipt has *expired*. (How does a receipt expire? Did the cash I paid expire?)

    Polaroid wants $150 to take the dead player back and fix it. I don't think so. It seems to me a lot of people have had similar issues. Maybe one of my lawyer buddies will want to pick up an easy defective product class action job...

    There is no more customer service in America. We're all just sheep for the fleecing.

  • Report this Comment On January 09, 2009, at 12:18 AM, scott0807 wrote:

    wow paul, you really struck a chord...care to discuss politics or religion? : )

  • Report this Comment On January 09, 2009, at 9:00 AM, TMFRael wrote:

    Don't get me started on politics or religion!

  • Report this Comment On January 09, 2009, at 11:31 AM, Freedomlore wrote:

    Blunney,

    Alas, retail businesses have to do this in order to prevent Check fraud. Yes, it sucks, but checks aren't "real money." Cash is "real money." I have known many people who didn't "have the money" in their checking account when they wrote a check and swore to put it in later.

    Likewise, cash doesn't bounce like checks do. But checks can make fraud easy, so a lot of places have such practices in place to prevent fraud.

    For instance, let us assume you were going to try to defraud Best Buy. You give them a check for $400. Next day you say you need your money back. If they give you cash, you go to the bank and put a Stop on your check. Bam. $400 for free. The thieves and the defrauders are the ones you should be angry with...they're the ones that ruined the fun.

    As for your Target story...at what point do YOU think Target should stop covering an item? 6 months? 1 year? Perhaps as long as you own it? Most retail companies have a 30 day return policy. Regardless of the reason you bought it, the return policy is the return policy set in stone by Corporate Offices.

    I work in retail and I try to help people out as much as possible..unfortunately, everyone being human, some times it takes awhile to get everything right. If ever you have a question about the "why," just sit back and ask yourself, "If I owned a multi-billion dollar company, what would I do?"

    Once you consider how many people steal from your stores, or try to rip you off, or hand you counterfeit money, or purposefully return incorrect/used products in new product boxes, or commit fraud via checks or credit cards, you'll understand where retailers are coming from.

  • Report this Comment On January 09, 2009, at 11:57 AM, Freedomlore wrote:

    Iperian- in regards to your experience...

    Did you ever contact corporate? Best Buy has a 30 day return policy on Blu-ray players...whether they're opened or not. Something crazy was going on, unless you were trying to return it outside of the return policy.

    And as far as this whole article goes...it's the first Motley Fool article I've ever read that made me want to stop reading Motley Fool for the day.

    To answer the question, "So who was right?"

    The bar was right, Oh Fool. Just because you drop some coin doesn't mean you get to act like a jackass. Spending HUNDREDS doesn't mean you're king, doesn't mean you get to do whatever you want.

    I'm probably going to avoid further articles written by you, by the way. Where others are talking about stocks and how to make money, trends, fun financial fluff, you write this article about how YOU got screwed because you weren't treated like royalty.

    Bah. Keep it to yourself.

  • Report this Comment On January 09, 2009, at 3:36 PM, WhartonFool11 wrote:

    I have sworn off Best Buy products for the rest of my life. The motherboard on my laptop malfunctioned two weeks before final exams and took over four months to get back. It took a month before they even diagnosed the problem, another two months to fix, and a month to send to four different stores (including one that had been closed for a year) before they sent it to the right one. In total, I spent at least five hours on the phone, was hung up on twice, and transferred dozens of times. Service could not have been worse.

  • Report this Comment On January 09, 2009, at 3:43 PM, Puckplayr4 wrote:

    I love TMF, it has gotten me off the sidelines and into investing. Can't wait for MF Pro, but this article does little to encourage my ardent admiration. It may have been edited poorly, but if you think your rant and raving about some crappy customer service is TMF worthy, I might have to move on.

    Shorting stock advice, fine. The Geek Squad dorks laughed in my face and I got tossed out of my local watering hole and I'm a big time spender...big whoop. Go blow it out of your pie-hole and come back with something useful. Or was the point simply that Customer Service sucks? We know...

    Do you know what a Bad Beat story is in poker? Well let me tell you about the time my Pocket Aces got beaten by the 3-8 offsuit. There I was, it was the night after halloween, and the dealer began to deal. First one to the guy across from me. Then to his left. So on until he gave me a card. There is was. An ACE. OH BOY I squeeled in my mind...IF ONLY I CAN GET ANOTHER ONE OF THESE! Sure enough, there is was! YAY! 2 ACES.

    ETC, ETC, ETC...I can't even continue writing this fictional nonsense because nobody cares. I think when that jackass from the 80's said the best deals are found in the malls he meant find something that is flying off the shelf before the quarterly reports catch up to it. Kinda like Volcom or 7 for All Mankind Jeans which sells well despite the terrible clothing markets.

    Ugh you bore me with your complaints. Thanks for wasting my time with your bad day.

  • Report this Comment On January 09, 2009, at 3:47 PM, Puckplayr4 wrote:

    And Blunny, we don't care about your Polaroid either. Or Comcast. Or Circuit City. Or Lowes...(which I agree deserves a bullet to the cranium). I never got that store...so maybe I did learn something, SHORT LOWES...I never understood a Home Improvement store that buffs the floors anyway.

  • Report this Comment On January 09, 2009, at 3:54 PM, TMFRael wrote:

    Hey Puckplayr4... who is "we"... you got a mouse in your pocket?

  • Report this Comment On January 09, 2009, at 4:46 PM, Puckplayr4 wrote:

    Yes, and the mouse doesn't care either.

  • Report this Comment On January 09, 2009, at 4:48 PM, Puckplayr4 wrote:

    Please visit my new website, an IPO will be released shortly

    www.ihadabadcustomerserviceissue.com

    It's a great place to post your blog about your favorite...err...worst customerservice issues. If this site is down, simply post on TMF...its the same thing.

  • Report this Comment On January 09, 2009, at 4:59 PM, Puckplayr4 wrote:

    In all fairness, I truly appreciate your insight and effort to share your investing knowledge.

    Honestly, sincerely, no joke.

    Thank you.

  • Report this Comment On January 09, 2009, at 5:28 PM, iperian wrote:

    Freedomlore -It was within a week of purchase...

  • Report this Comment On January 10, 2009, at 1:52 PM, rmiers1 wrote:

    I am in the process of writing a book that will define "winners from losers". There are some common threads that delineate good business from "bad" business practice. A good start, would be reading a book popular in the 1970's "In search of Excellence" by Peters and Waterman.

    Secondly, there is just now excuse for a great employee, and labor markets vary from sector to sector. A thirty five thousand dollar job in a small to medium town might be very good where in a large city it is the bottom of the basket. Some companies have dynamic, enthusiastic leaders while others are run by the medium level "suits" who are more interested in keeping their supervisor happy than the company solvent and growing.

    A great company is not happenstance, it is a team effort with all pieces hitting on all eight cylinders. Leadership is essential.

    My Name is Robert L. Miers

    Look for the book in about six months

  • Report this Comment On January 12, 2009, at 2:23 PM, KenRtbcr wrote:

    Customer service in San Fancisco will never be the same as it is in St. Louis. Just because you had a meeting with a lousy employee is not statistically relevant when you are talking about a major nationwide with thousands of employees. Hearsay stories like this are USUALLY made up because the writer needs something to write about. After you hear this same story from 100 people then you can act on it.

  • Report this Comment On January 12, 2009, at 3:59 PM, TMFRael wrote:

    Interesting theory. But you might want to look up the word hearsay.

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