Nintendo's Curse Haunts Microsoft's Xbox and Sony's PlayStation

Things aren't getting any easier for Nintendo (NASDAQOTH: NTDOY  ) . The Japanese gaming icon posted another quarterly deficit on Wednesday, weighed down by lackluster sales of the Wii U that was supposed to put the company back on the console gaming map last November. 

It clearly hasn't worked the way that Nintendo wanted, and a recent price cut doesn't appear to be enough to salvage the pioneer from making a bigger difference in the console space. Nintendo sold just 300,000 Wii U systems in its latest quarter. Microsoft (NASDAQ: MSFT  ) and Sony (NYSE: SNE  ) will likely sell millions of their new systems this holiday quarter.

Nintendo did sell more than 5 million units of Wii U software during the period. That doesn't sound too shabby, but it's a far cry from how Nintendo is doing with its handheld gaming business. It sold three times as many 3DS software units -- and eight times as many 3DS systems as Wii U consoles -- so it's clear that Nintendo's future may lie in portable gaming. 

This could be it for the gaming pioneer in the console market. Nintendo has conceded that this may be a possibility if it doesn't have a strong holiday quarter. Nintendo's also stopping production of the original Wii for Japan and Europe. It won't be long before it's gone completely. If you figure that Nintendo is moving away from the Wii because it's just not selling, think again. Nintendo sold 260,000 Wii systems in its latest quarter. That's lousy, but it's not all that different than the 300,000 Wii U systems. In fact, over the past six months, Nintendo has sold 10,000 more Wii than Wii U consoles.

Microsoft and Sony may be snickering at Nintendo's misfortune, but it's also important to remember that the Wii U wasn't even around a year ago. It didn't hit the market until mid-November, just as Microsoft and Sony will be doing later this month. Within a year, soft sales have threatened Nintendo's viability in this space. Can Microsoft and Sony avoid making the same rookie mistake?

What doomed the Wii U? If one argues that it's the high price -- something that Nintendo is hoping to rectify with its recent price cut -- it bears pointing out that the Xbox One and PS4 will be even more expensive. If Wii U's freshman flop was the result of weak software, keep in mind that it was at least organically compatible with earlier Wii software. Microsoft and Sony are going with an entirely new chip architecture this time around. 

The good news for Microsoft and Sony is that their machines are clearly superior in terms of specs. They are also targeting a more diehard core of gamers than the Wii families that have been satisfied with cheaper and more widely accessible social and casual games. Naturally they will also benefit if Nintendo does in fact fold its consoles to focus on 3DS and software. 

However, it's still important to note how an icon can fade so quickly after a bad year. Microsoft and Sony will need to hit the ground running this month. Gamers can't let them down.

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  • Report this Comment On November 03, 2013, at 2:53 PM, GuitarJim wrote:

    Rick, you may have been writing financial articles for a long time, but you obviously don't know much about the video game industry, and I say this as an industry veteran with over 20 years under my belt.

    Nintendo's failure was neither a "rookie mistake" nor a "freshman flop". They took a chance on a new gimmick and it failed miserably. That gimmick was a new game controller. They also took a chance on a new game controller with the original Wii. In that case it paid off in spades. In this case it was stillborn. Why? Because NOBODY - not Nintendo, not Sony, and not Microsoft - really knows what the market will warm up to before they introduce it. The people who decide whether something will succeed or fail are average gamers, who consequently make terrible game company employees.

    It might also be interesting to note that this isn't the first time that Nintendo has fallen on their faces. Remember the Power Glove? How about the Virtual Boy? They managed to get up and wipe the dust off themselves and keep going. What makes this time different is that this is likely the last generation of big set-top game consoles. But Nintendo will move on and survive, probably making small electronic gadgets for kids.

  • Report this Comment On November 03, 2013, at 3:15 PM, TreSelor wrote:

    Why do you guys bash Nintendo everyday? (oh wait you get paid to do it?)

    Why only focus on the USA Stock Ticker?

    They announced that they are discontinuing the Japanese and European Wii's but they are still being sold in North America.

  • Report this Comment On November 03, 2013, at 3:25 PM, TreSelor wrote:

    I Noticed the Motley Fool Mutual Funds are .-09-.11. And Nintendo is +.03. For the day. Is Motley Fool's days numbered?

    Nintendo is 100+ years old, and isn't going anywhere as a company, please stop bashing them with articles that are written with fake information (like wrong pictures, and sources).

  • Report this Comment On November 03, 2013, at 3:28 PM, Stealth2k wrote:

    This site is aweful

  • Report this Comment On November 03, 2013, at 3:29 PM, Stealth2k wrote:

    A system isnt doomed after 1 year, this writer is a motley fool

  • Report this Comment On November 03, 2013, at 3:43 PM, Stealth2k wrote:

    "Things aren't getting any easier for Nintendo (NASDAQOTH: NTDOY ) . The Japanese gaming icon posted another quarterly deficit on Wednesday, weighed down by lackluster sales of the Wii U that was supposed to put the company back on the console gaming map last November. " Nintendo posted a NET PROFIT

  • Report this Comment On November 03, 2013, at 3:46 PM, Stealth2k wrote:

    Its so easy to disprove everything said in this article

    "The good news for Microsoft and Sony is that their machines are clearly superior in terms of specs."

    Higher speced systems never sell well early. That is a fact.

    "They are also targeting a more diehard core of gamers than the Wii families that have been satisfied with cheaper and more widely accessible social and casual games. "

    no fact, baseless

    "However, it's still important to note how an icon can fade so quickly after a bad year. "

    Is that why Nintendo sold more hardware and software than either of them?

  • Report this Comment On November 03, 2013, at 4:22 PM, EnSabahNur wrote:

    Another contributor to Nintendo's lack of hardware sales is the lack of third-party developer titles.

  • Report this Comment On November 03, 2013, at 4:23 PM, sypoth wrote:

    This is what happens when a company relies on Gimmicks for their sales and not quality merchandise, ignore their customers completely, and rely on making everything about themselves proprietary so they can charge others to make stuff for them, Apple is doing the same thing Nintendo is doing right now, failing miserably. The ONLY hope Nintendo has of surviving is to kill their console division which has been a major drain on their company ever since the SNES with the exception of the first year the Wii was out and going strictly handheld systems. I don't see them doing what SEGA did and going software only after all what titles can they offer? Pokemon(only the handheld games have done any good and even then the franchise has been milked for all it's worth), Mario(who hasn't had a decent game since the SNES and only continues to get sillier more repetitive and stupid with each new game), Zelda(WHY is this series even still around? The last good game was a Link to the past!Only the most hardcore of Zelda fans still buy these games and nobody not even the fans themselves can explain why they like the series), Star Fox(how many times can you re-release the same game anyways?), and Metroid(which hasn't seen a game in a long while and the last one was terrible). They also need to restructure the way they appeal to their customers. It's honestly pathetic the way Nintendo acts, it's like everyone at the company is a full grown adult who wears diapers and sucks on pacifiers and throwing around rattles whenever things don't go their way.

  • Report this Comment On November 03, 2013, at 5:13 PM, Stealth2k wrote:

    "Another contributor to Nintendo's lack of hardware sales is the lack of third-party developer titles." Not true at all.

    The wii u has more thirdparty games than any nintendo console outside of wii.

    So your not speaking facts.

  • Report this Comment On November 03, 2013, at 5:14 PM, Stealth2k wrote:

    @sypoth

    The d pad was considered a gimmick. The rest of that is nonsense.

    "ignore their customers completely" You mean by listening to them the most?

  • Report this Comment On November 03, 2013, at 5:26 PM, USN1977 wrote:

    Nintendo needs third-party developers? Let us see...LJN ring a bell? (Thanks to Angry Video Game Nerd)

  • Report this Comment On November 03, 2013, at 6:16 PM, frellmedead wrote:

    I think it is that other than the new controller, which people didn't really seem to be interested in, the new console really is not that much better or different than the original Wii. Therefore, people aren't in a rush to go out and buy the Wii U, especially since so far there have have been only a few games that have fully exploited the new features of the console.

    Another current "problem" for Nintendo is that they have always been more appealing to families, where as the X Box and Playstation have appealed more to hardcore gamers. Since so many families are still hurting from the economy, it is not like they are going to run out and blow 300-400 dollars on a system that they believe isn't much different/better than they currently have.

  • Report this Comment On November 03, 2013, at 6:18 PM, snowcrave wrote:

    nintendo has been reporting a rally in sales this quarter and i know a lot of people who are waiting until the new systems are out and they can try them before they decide on one. the nintendo DS (not the 3DS) is estimated to outsell PS2 in global sales this month making it the most successful piece of gaming hardware ever (beside pc). honestly nintendo's biggest problem is that it has no games on the u yet they have stated that they are having trouble adapting to HD hopefully they can turn this around. they just made a statement that all hd remakes of old games will be handled by 3rd parties from now on so hopefully this means they are ramping up production on some good new games.

    i just wish they would make earthbound 4 :,(

  • Report this Comment On November 03, 2013, at 6:39 PM, Stealth2k wrote:

    @Frell

    Not only are people all interested in the controller. The console is better than wii, not that console specs determine the worth of the software.

    Year 1 is always like this.

    "Since so many families are still hurting from the economy, it is not like they are going to run out and blow 300-400 dollars on a system that they believe isn't much different/better than they currently have."

    Hardcore gamers also hurt and wont spend more than that

  • Report this Comment On November 03, 2013, at 7:08 PM, Stealth2k wrote:

    snowcrave is right.

  • Report this Comment On November 03, 2013, at 7:24 PM, normgarry wrote:

    The conjecture from these financial sites is ridiculous.

  • Report this Comment On November 03, 2013, at 7:28 PM, arcmage22 wrote:

    The biggest issue why Nintendo is hurting on the Wii U is the lack of good games. If nintendo puts out more good game sales will improve. As for this article it's just facepalm worthy.

  • Report this Comment On November 03, 2013, at 7:48 PM, wizardaeon wrote:

    Fact check your articles before you write them. The Wii was very sucessful for Nintendo. The first 2 years it was out they coudnt make them fast enough. I had to camp 5 stores for a week to get my Wii. The Wii U is not selling because it doesnt have any titles. Nintendo knows they are in trouble, but they are not out of the game. The gamecube wasnt the best of their consoles either, but overall it was still a success. the N64 was considered a flop, but it had 2 titles which rank in the top 100 of video games.

    Nintendo doesnt listen to hardcore gamers- the chief executives in the company need to pull their heads out of their A#### and make it easier-- alot easier- to develop games for them- and make the system like a real computer the way Sony and Microsoft do. ALL 3 companies will be in trouble by the time a 2nd generation of Android consoles roll around. A standard operating system for games is all developers need and then who made your console will not matter anymore-- parents will vote with their wallets- and the cheaper the console the better.

  • Report this Comment On November 03, 2013, at 8:48 PM, atomblack wrote:

    did we forget that the Dreamcast had a launch sale of over 15 million units...and they called that a failure????

  • Report this Comment On November 04, 2013, at 12:33 AM, Bartmuley wrote:

    atomblack the Dreamcast didnt sell 15 million at launch. That's absurd. Wikipedia says it only sold 10 million over its whole life.

  • Report this Comment On November 04, 2013, at 1:16 AM, kiversor wrote:

    Every body i know has switched to PS because the Wii and Wii U release titles mainly for kids. Adults buy consoles and no adult is drawn to kid's games, therefor, 3D S is doing better because parents can afford it better than the Wii U. Third party titles are finally coming to the Wii U but it might be too late.

  • Report this Comment On November 04, 2013, at 4:27 AM, Bunnyking77 wrote:

    Nintendo's Wii U is not a failure, it has yet to be launched. Gamers are a finicky bunch but that doesn't mean gaming is dead. Gaming has many different segments and there is a lot of nuance in the population that most corporate thought tries to break into bigger categories.

    Gamers are incredibly active information gatherers and the internet including twitter, youtube and other online publications help gamers make choices, as well as the usual things like public image and peer pressure.

    The Wii U's launch last year has incredible similarities to the PS4 and XBOXone campaigns.

    1. Lack of games. Yet, Nintendo had 30 games at launch of the Wii U, I think XBOXone and PS4 have 7 or so each.

    2. Lack if Marketing. While XBOXone's marketing and commercial department has some amazing ads it has been bogged down by it's own PR team.

    3. Not delivering truly Next Generation experiences. This generation has had the slightest increase in visuals. XBOX360 and PS3 already run at 720 native resolution and have stunning visuals running at 30-60 fps. The new XBOXone is still struggling to do this simple task. Even Nintendo's WIi U is capable of doing 1080 native resolution, albeit simpler graphics.

    4. Lack of innovation. Only the Wii U tried to innovate with their controller interface this time around. But besides that, the gameplay envelope is not being pushed. In fact, every new game and exclusive looks exactly the same as last generation.

    I'm a gamer and I'm totally disappointed in the next gen. I think people's expectations are about to be crushed.

    Of course I will still be buying a PS4 and already enjoy a Wii U (a device I think is amazing.)

    My 2 cents.

  • Report this Comment On November 04, 2013, at 10:56 AM, mitchellrcole82 wrote:

    Rick Munarriz, you sure sound like you know all about games!!1 Played a few and you think you know everything, huh? No adult games huh?? Try Batman, Assassins Creed. Not happy with those because they are being release on other systems. Thats what cross platforming is all about. Try Watch Dogs when it comes out. Does Sony or Microsoft have Mario or Zelda? OHHHH I am soooo sorry that Gears of Bore and other multiplayer hacks are not cluttering up my network!!! (NOT) Fact is I am a gamer who is just as hardcore as some of the kids today. I choose stories and play of dlc maps everyday!

  • Report this Comment On November 04, 2013, at 10:57 AM, drvideogm wrote:

    @sypoth

    Are you serious? Mario 64 was a revolution to games as was Zelda: Oot (which some consider not just the best Zelda game, but best game ever made!). Sounds like you just jumped ship from Nintendo when they released the 64 and have been bitter ever since. I do agree that within the last 5 years or so Nintendo hasn't been the company from the past, but they're still more solid than another FPS that's just a ripoff of Call of Duty.

  • Report this Comment On November 04, 2013, at 11:57 AM, joujou77 wrote:

    Anyone calling nintendo wii u a failure simply hasn't picked up a wii u and played with it. Honestly this is not the wii.

    From the time you get it out of the box you notice how heavy it is compared to the Wii and past nintendo systems that were very plasticy and light. For the first time it feels like real hardware.

    It's design seems odd as it's long. But it's vents are on the side which makes sense seeing how there won't be a wall or anything else within several feet of the wii u when set up. People saying this is a wiiHD are simply ignoring the facts. The GPU is nearly double what the wii had and the CPU is tri core.

    Sure the ps4 and xbox both have 8 core cpu's and their GPU's are running several hundred MHZ's hotter than the Wii U but both had way higher specs than the wii and yet the wii had many awesome looking and fun to play games.

    I own all three systems from past generation and can tell you I use them all sporadically. They all have their pros and cons I think the 360 and wii are the easiest to use. But feel the PS3 and Wii have better exclusives overall. But I like them all. And at some point in the next 5 years I will probably own all three from this next generation of consoles.

    I think the reason why the wii u didn't take off like they wanted it to had nothing to do with specs but you have to think back and remember how many wii's were sold in the last two years. Those people who jumped on the wii bandwagon toward the end of the cycle may not be buying a wii u because they just bought a wii. They had some great deals on the wii bundles the last three years of the consoles life.

    I also think the gamepad might be confusing people a bit and the fact that you have to reuse your wii motes seems a bit off putting to me. I think also there is an attitude that nintendo is still relying on motion control gaming too much. Yet both sony and ms have included it in their next gen systems so their must be some value it holds in the market. I feel sorry for people caught up being fanboys for their favorite consoles and can't just enjoy the fun of playing video games no matter what console they are playing on.

  • Report this Comment On November 04, 2013, at 11:58 AM, PanzerDSS wrote:

    Nintendo's failure with the Wii U has a number of factors, including a focus and not understanding what customers want.

    Nintendo saw the iPad and clearly wanted something like it. However, Nintendo also has a legacy of having less expensive hardware that they get the most out of. By including the tablet controller, Nintendo tried to give kids and adults an interface they understood. However, by making it needing to stay within a few feet of the console, Nintendo misunderstood why people like tablet gaming, much like Japanese publishers misunderstand why people in the West like downloadable content: people like getting new experiences for old content, not merely downloading things (looking at you, Ace Combat/NAMCO). It's not that people like tablets, they that they can take them with them and the experiences they can have on a mobile device.

    Likewise, Nintendo was not sure whether to play to their base or continue the Blue Ocean strategy that made the Wii popular. By trying to go down the middle, they pleased no one.

    Also, Nintendo has done an incredibly poor job with messaging regarding the console. Many people still think it is an add-on to the original Wii.

    Nintendo has a ridiculous amount of cash reserves, so I doubt this flop will make them reconsider console development. However, I do believe that the next console will have to be a hit or Nintendo could be in real trouble when it comes to console development.

  • Report this Comment On November 04, 2013, at 11:59 AM, PanzerDSS wrote:

    Also, I'm calling the Wii U a failure and I bought one at launch. A system can be a good piece of technology and still fail. Just look at the SEGA Dreamcast.

  • Report this Comment On November 04, 2013, at 12:00 PM, gamer4lyfe wrote:

    Lets define hardcore gamer shall we... I hear all day long that so many people are hardcore gamers.. Just because you play COD 8 hrs a day doesnt make you a hardcore gamer. Hardcore gamers love innovation and will play many different platforms for the joy of the game. Not based of specs or graphics or bs like that. I can name multiple titles on nintendo hardware I still play today including on the Wii U, months, years after purchase. Theres few that can say the same for an xbox or ps3... Which would include COD, maybe GTA.. which I got bored of after 3days.. You dont define a game by graphics, you define it by longivity, enjoyment and the expereince it gives you.

  • Report this Comment On November 04, 2013, at 2:50 PM, tylatz wrote:

    Ok, let's get something cleared up real quick. The N64 was not a flop. That console was ridiculously profitable for Nintendo. If I remember correctly they brought in a significantly larger profit during that generation than Sony. Industry standards were set on that console for 3D games and FPSs. You won't find a console with as much impact without going back to the 80s.

    I put the issue of the Wii at only providing a controller update. Nintendo did not advance the graphic capabilities substantially enough from the GCN to the Wii and then incorporated the same lackluster upgrade moving to the Wii U. Instead we get a new controller that lacks the forward crazy ideas that Nintendo has done in the past which usually pays off. A console version of the DS isn't going to cut it without a boost to the hardware's capabilities.

    But don't count the company out. This is the same company that gave love hotels and taxis a try. They may outlive the cockroaches.

  • Report this Comment On November 05, 2013, at 12:17 AM, Mikurotoro1 wrote:

    The Wii U is a failure bc Nintendo's "blue ocean strategy" for attracting casuals isn't working!!! The Wii U just doesn't appeal to casuals. I think the Wii was a success bc of what it offered that M$ & Sony PS didn't. An example would be the built-in channels like the Mii channel, Check Mii Out channel, et al. Those were a HUGE selling-point for the Wii esp for casuals! I myself had a LOT of fun entering contests on the Check Mii Out channel. And they just go and take that away from us?! Miiverse is not the same. Why can't both co-exist? So the answer to this dilemma is simple, bring back all of the features that made the Wii what it is! You need to entice casuals to buy the Wii U bc Mario, Zelda, and Kirby aren't good enough anymore! (Personally I think Zelda needs to GO, but that's a whole nother thing.)

  • Report this Comment On November 05, 2013, at 12:27 AM, Mikurotoro1 wrote:

    The Wii U is a failure bc Nintendo's "blue ocean strategy" for attracting casuals isn't working!!! The Wii U just doesn't appeal to casuals. I think the Wii was a success bc of what it offered that M$ & Sony PS didn't. An example would be the built-in channels like the Mii channel, Check Mii Out channel, et al. Those were a HUGE selling-point for the Wii esp for casuals! I myself had a LOT of fun entering contests on the Check Mii Out channel. And they just go and take that away from us?! Miiverse is not the same. Why can't both co-exist? So the answer to this dilemma is simple, bring back all of the features that made the Wii what it is! You need to entice casuals to buy the Wii U bc Mario, Zelda, and Kirby aren't good enough anymore! (Personally I think Zelda needs to GO, but that's a whole nother thing.)

  • Report this Comment On November 05, 2013, at 12:29 AM, Mikurotoro1 wrote:

    Oops i double posted, soory

  • Report this Comment On November 05, 2013, at 4:12 AM, captAhab02 wrote:

    I wonder how much money motley fool gets for posting a Nintendo is doomed article every 2 days.

  • Report this Comment On November 05, 2013, at 4:14 AM, captAhab02 wrote:

    I wonder who is paying Motley fool for making Nintendo is doomed articles??

    Microsoft because they want to attack Nintendo or someone who wants to buy Nintendo stock??

  • Report this Comment On November 05, 2013, at 4:15 AM, captAhab02 wrote:

    Nintendo hasnt failed yet, Mario 3d is coming for wii u and everyone is getting it.

    The only reason Nintendo hasnt sold more was marketing and not enough games.

    Mario 3d world, Mario Kart, Super Smash brothers and the likes will make people buy.

    once Mario 3d world comes out sales will grow,

  • Report this Comment On November 05, 2013, at 7:41 AM, philthymcnasty wrote:

    Everyone is saying Nintendo is doomed. Yet when you look at other indicators, this makes sense to an extent.

    People are cutting their entrainment expenses everywhere. We have articles everywhere about people canceling and shaving their cable expenses, and other reports of people canceling their internet subscriptions. Combine this with poor xbox one pre-orders and will u sales being bad, and it may indicate that people have cut their expenses due to budget concerns. No one wants to talk about this, because its not a sign of a healthy economy.

  • Report this Comment On November 05, 2013, at 8:46 AM, klikmaus wrote:

    Too much speculation based upon the unforeseen. Something the writer here failed to take note on:

    Nintendo has always designed and built quality consoles. Both Microsoft AND Sony have released substandard designs to the public causing many of their "console sales numbers" to be repeat purchases of failed equipment. Playstation laser failures. Xbox red ring of death. SEGA hung themselves with glitchy software in the Dreamcast, Even before all this, ATARI almost single-handedly destroyed the video game industry with the release of just one rush-to-the-shelves game... the Infamous E.T.

    The point of all this--- Customer loyalty tends to gravitate towards companies with reliable and consistent product. Even with the release of the biggest console flop EVER (who remember Virtual Boy?), the hardware was solid. I've watched a N64 work perfectly fine after sitting in the sun and rain on a building roof for a year.

    My suspicion for the next big move in consoles will be a "Master System" (nod to SEGA) which will have cross-platform software and controller capability as well as physical porting for various older game system game cartridges. Publishers will sell more games When the only decision to make considering a game purchase is which controller platform is required. One universal console processor runs all games ported to operate on their respective controller. (Xbox, Playstation, Wii, etc...)

  • Report this Comment On November 05, 2013, at 11:16 AM, captAhab02 wrote:

    Klikmaus i dont see that coming.

    @philthy no that makes no sense, video games are luxury products thes always sell, plus Nintendo is an awesome company.

    Eeryone knows Nntendo it is a save bet.

    Just look at the nintendo Stock it rose over 5 % today.

    Why did it rise when everyone says its doomed? Its called smart Money.

    Just look at .com bubble, pseudo analysts like motley fool have track record of bad advise.

    Good analysts dont give information to the public, because they get paid enough cash for.

    There are only 2 types of public analysts, those who have the Job to fool the public and those who are just bad and dont get a better job

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