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Ameren Corp (AEE 1.81%)
Q3Â 2018 Earnings Conference Call
Oct. 31, 2018, 10:00 a.m. ET
Contents:
- Prepared Remarks
- Questions and Answers
- Call Participants
Prepared Remarks:
Operator
Greetings, and welcome to the Ameren Corporation's Third Quarter 2018 Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A brief question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. (Operator Instructions) As a reminder this conference is being recorded.
It is now my pleasure to introduce your host Mr. Andrew Kirk, Director of Investor Relations for Ameren Corporation. Thank you, Mr. Kirk. You may begin.
Andrew Kirk -- Director of Investor Relations
Thank you, and good morning. On the call with me today are Warner Baxter, our Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer; and Marty Lyons, our Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, as well as other members of the Ameren management team. Warner and Marty will discuss our earnings results and guidance as well as provide a business update, then we will open the call for questions.
Before we begin, let me cover a few administrative details. This call contains time-sensitive data that's accurate only as of the date of today's live broadcast, and redistribution of this broadcast is prohibited. To assist with our call this morning we have posted a presentation on the amereninvestors.com homepage that will be referenced by our speakers.
As noted on page 2 of the presentation, comments made during this conference call may contain statements that are commonly referred to as forward-looking statements. Such statements include those about future expectations, beliefs, plans, strategies, objectives, events, conditions and financial performance. We caution you that the various factors could cause actual results to differ materially from those anticipated. For additional information concerning these factors please read the forward-looking statements section and the news release we issued today and the forward-looking statements and risk factors sections in our filings with the SEC.
Lastly, all per share earnings amounts discussed during today's presentation including earnings guidance are presented on a diluted basis unless otherwise noted. Now, here's Warner who will start on page 4 of the presentation.
Warner Baxter -- Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer
Thanks, Andrew. Good morning, everyone and thank you for joining us. Earlier today, we announced third quarter 2018 core earnings of $1.50 per share compared to core earnings of $1.24 per share in the third quarter of 2017. Third quarter 2018 results excluded non-cash, non-core charge of $0.05 per share related to federal income tax reform. The year-over-year earnings increase was driven by higher retail sales, primarily due to warmer summer temperatures as well as earnings on increased infrastructure investments.
The comparison also benefited from timing differences related to federal income tax reform which we do not expect will impact full year results. Marty will discuss these and other factors driving the quarterly results in more detail in a moment. I am also pleased to report that we continue to successfully execute our strategic plan across all of our businesses, which I will touch on in more detail in a few moments. That fact, and coupled with strong retail sales primarily due to the warm summer weather enabled us to raise our 2018 earnings guidance for the second time this year. Our 2018 core earnings guidance range is now $3.35 per share to $3.45 per share up from our prior GAAP and core guidance range of $3.15 per share to $3.35 per share.
Moving to page 5. Here we reiterate our strategic plan which we have been executing very well throughout 2018 and over the last several years. That plan is expected to continue to result in strong long term investment and earnings growth. The first pillar of our strategy stresses investing in and operating our utilities in a manner consistent with existing regulatory frameworks. This strategy has driven our multi-year focus on investing in energy infrastructure for the long term benefit of customers and jurisdictions that are supported by modern constructive regulatory frameworks. Today I am pleased to say that we are allocating meaningful amounts of capital to each of our business segments as all are now operating under constructive frameworks.
On September 1st, Ameren has already began using planned service accounting enabled by Senate Bill 564. This legislation improves our ability to earn a fair return on Ameren Missouri capital investments and will drive significant incremental investments in energy infrastructure in the future. I'll say more about Senate Bill 564 in a moment, but it is safe to say that we are excited to bring many of the same infrastructure investment benefits to Missouri that our Illinois customers enjoy today.
Speaking of our Ameren Illinois electric and natural gas distribution operations, we invested approximately $625 million in Illinois electric and natural gas delivery infrastructure projects in the first nine months of this year, including those that are part of Ameren Illinois' Modernization Action Plans. The elected projects enabled by the Illinois Energy Infrastructure Modernization Act have exceeded the job creation goals and we are on track to meet or exceed our investments, reliability and advanced metering goals.
Ameren Illinois customers are experiencing fewer and shorter power outages as a result of electric grid upgrades. Since the modernization program began in 2012, the installation of storm-resilient utility poles, automated switches and an upgraded distribution grid have resulted in a 19% reduction in annual electricity service interruptions on average. And when customers do experience an outage, Ameren Illinois is restoring power 17% faster on average than prior to when the program began.
Further, installations of advanced electric meters and gas meter modules are either on or ahead of schedule. Through the end of September, Ameren Illinois has installed about 985,000 smart electric meters and 510,000 gas meter modules that provide customers with enhanced energy users data and access to programs to help them save on their energy bills. Ameren Illinois is working to deploy the devices to all of its 1.2 million electric and 800,000 gas customers by the end of 2019. Additionally, the investments and infrastructure enabled by this constructive energy policy have created thousands of new jobs in Illinois. Finally we've been able to make all of these investments and create jobs while keeping rates low for customers.
To give you some perspective of our annual electric rate update is approved by the ICC as requested, all in 2019 residential electric rates for customers taking delivery and energy service from Ameren Illinois were decreased by an estimated 1% since electric formula ratemaking began in 2012, even after incorporating substantial infrastructure investments made for the benefit of customers.
With regard to our Illinois natural gas operations, our transmission and distribution projects are focused on upgrading and modernizing our gas main and equipment infrastructure, all the strength and the safety and reliability of our system. Many of these projects were enabled by the qualified infrastructure plant writer which improves our ability to recover costs more timely between rate reviews.
Being mindful of the recent gas distribution issues experienced in the Northeast, I will note that our Ameren gas distribution system is comprised almost entirely of plastic and protected coated steel pipelines. There is no cast iron or uncoated bare steel pipe in our system. In addition, our gas distribution system operates with individual service pressure regulators at 99.9% of our customers, nearly every customer meter.
Moving now to our Ameren Transmission business where we have invested approximately $400 million through September of this year. We continue to make significant investments in local reliability projects needed to comply with the North American Electric Reliability Corporation requirements as well as our two remaining retail multi-value projects, Mark Twain and Illinois Rivers which are expected to be completed by the end of 2019 as planned.
These investments enabled by the constructive FERC regulatory framework continue to bring value through safe, reliable, resilient and efficient transmission systems. In summary, constructive and forward-thinking electric and gas regulatory frameworks across the Board are driving important investments that are delivering significant long term benefits for our customers. Of course, another important element of the first pillar of our strategy is achieving constructive outcomes in regulatory proceedings.
As Marty will cover in more detail later, we had been very busy in Illinois, managing our electric and natural gas regulatory proceedings. We have been making solid progress in settling important issues with key stakeholders including agreements in August with the ICC staff and all other active parties on all issues and our pending electric and natural gas distribution rate reviews. We expect final decisions from the ICC in these proceedings by year-end and potentially as early as this week.
In Missouri, last week the PSC approved Ameren Missouri's request for Certificate of Convenience and Necessity or CCN to construct and own a 400 megawatt wind generation project. This approval which came within just five months of our request followed an unanimous settlement reached earlier this month with all parties to the CCN request. Further, we have settled with all parties for use of the Renewable Energy Standard Rate Adjustment Mechanism or RESRAM for this wind project and other qualifying renewable energy investments.
However, there was one unresolved issue as the Office of Public Counsel opposes recovery through the RESRAM of the 15% of capital cost not recovered by PISA. This matter will go to hearing today. We expect the decision from Missouri PSC by January 2019. In another positive development, earlier this month Ameren Missouri reached a unanimous settlement with respect to a proposed new energy efficiency plan.
This proposed plan would begin in March 2019 and would follow on the heels of our previous successful energy efficiency plans. The first of which began in 2013. If approved by the Missouri PSC, the Ameren Missouri intends to invest $226 million over the life of the plan. Like our prior plans, we believe the new plan appropriately balances customer and shareholder interests by providing for timely recovery of both energy efficiency program costs and revenue losses resulting from these programs.
The proposed plan also provides Ameren Missouri an opportunity to earn a performance incentive, if certain customer energy efficiency goals are achieved including $30 million, if 100% of the goals are achieved by 2022, a similar incentive to the prior two energy efficiency plans. We expect a decision from the Missouri PSC on the proposed new energy efficiency plan later this year.
Finally, another important element of the first pillar of our strategy has been and remains, our relentless focus on continuous improvement and disciplined cost management, keep rates affordable and keep earn returns close to allow returns in all of our jurisdictions.
Turning now to page 6. Next, I want to briefly cover the second part of our strategy, enhancing regulatory frameworks and advocating for responsible energy and economic policies. Over the years, we have been successful in executing this element of our strategy through extensive collaboration with key stakeholders in all of our regulatory jurisdictions. As I mentioned few minutes ago, Ameren Missouri began to use plant-in-service accounting on September 1st, which was enabled by the enactment of Senate Bill 564 this year.
This legislation will drive significant investment in energy infrastructure while providing robust consumer protections. This provision applies to all qualifying infrastructure investments that we outlined during our conference call in February and enables approximately $1 billion, an incremental investment for 2023 to modernize Missouri's electric grid including the installation of smart meters and the deployment of other advanced technologies.
These incremental grid modernization investments are expected to be largely additive to our five year capital expenditure plan as well as a strong 7% compound annual rate base growth from 2018 through 2022 that we outlined in February. This legislation will also drive economic development in Missouri by creating significant good-paying jobs from these investments.
In addition, Senate Bill 564 includes a meaningful economic development incentive with new or expanding large energy users consisting of a 40% discount in rates for up to five years. This was a key factor in helping attract a $65 million manufacturing facility to Ameren Missouri which is expected to add 300 new jobs to the region. We believe, this is just the beginning of businesses taking advantage of this new incentive. As I have said before, I strongly believe that Senate Bill 564 will deliver significant long term benefits for our customers, the State of Missouri and our shareholders.
Moving now to page 7 for an update on our wind generation investment plans which is directly tied to the third pillar of our strategy, creating and capitalizing on opportunities for investment for the benefit of our customers and shareholders. We continue to make progress in Ameren Missouri's proposed investment in at least 700 megawatts or approximately $1 billion of wind generation to achieve compliance with Missouri's Renewable Energy Standard. As I mentioned, the Missouri PSC approved our CCN request to construct and own a 400 megawatt wind generation facility in Northeast Missouri which when built will be the largest ever in the state.
In addition, earlier this month, we entered into an agreement with a subsidiary of EDF Renewables to acquire after construction, a wind generation facility of up to 157 megawatts to be located in Northwest Missouri. And just last week we filed for a CCN with the Missouri PSC for this project. We have requested the Missouri PSC to issue its final order on the CCN request on May 1st, 2019.
We are pleased with the progress we have made on our plans to pursue ownership of at least 700 megawatts of wind generation. Today we have reached agreements to acquire up to 557 megawatts which would need about 80% of our compliance needs. And as I just noted, we have made significant progress on regulatory approvals.
Of course we are not done. Our team continues to actively negotiate with several developers to meet our remaining wind generation plans. We remain focused on completing these negotiations which may continue into early next year. Given the strong progress we have made to date, we remain confident in our ability to complete these negotiations and obtain the necessary regulatory approvals in a timely fashion.
We look forward to updating you on our progress in this important component of Ameren Missouri's Integrated Resource Plan during our year-end conference call next February, as we believe, it will deliver clear long term benefits to our customers, the environment and the communities we serve.
Turning now to page 8. In February, we rolled forward our five-year growth plan which included our expectation of 5% to 7% compound annual earnings-per-share growth for the 2017 through 2022 period, increasing (ph) 2017 (ph) core earnings per share as a base.
This earnings growth outlook was primarily driven by expected 7% compound annual rate base growth over the same period. Importantly our five-year rate base growth projections did not include the approximately $1 billion of incremental Ameren Missouri capital expenditures through 2023 associated with the enactment of Senate Bill 564 or the proposed incremental Ameren Missouri investments of approximately $1 billion in wind generation by 2020.
These incremental investments are expected to be largely additive to Ameren Missouri's overall five-year plan outlined in February. We are well under way in updating our capital plan and we'll provide an update to our long term growth plans during our year-end conference call next February. With constructive regulatory frameworks to support investment now in all of our business segments, I believe we are well positioned to continue to execute our strategy that will deliver significant long term benefits to our customers, the communities we serve and our shareholders.
And I believe, we will be able to make these investments while keeping rates affordable and competitive as we will leverage the host of opportunities to reduce our costs including those related to income taxes, delivered fuel, other operations and maintenance and interest expenses. In closing, we accomplished a great deal during the third quarter. Our operations were solid, and our investments are delivering results which contributed to improved reliability. Our earnings were strong, and as a result, we increased our 2018 earnings guidance for the second time this year.
We reached key settlements on the Illinois electric distribution and natural gas rate reviews as well as Missouri's 400 megawatt wind generation CCN filing which led to quick approval by the Missouri PSC. We officially elected to use plant-in-service accounting in Missouri which provided under Senate Bill 564 which we expect will strengthen our already strong infrastructure investment plans and rate base growth outlook.
In this month, we reached a key settlement on Ameren Missouri's new energy efficiency plant filing and also entered into an agreement to acquire after construction, another wind generation facility to up to 157 megawatts. Finally this month, Ameren's Board of Directors expressed its confidence in our long term growth plan by increasing the dividend by approximately 4%, the fifth consecutive year with the dividend increase.
Simply put, we are doing what we said we would do. We are executing our strategic plan across all of our businesses which is driving our strong long term earnings growth outlook which when combined with our solid dividend yield currently about 3%, we believe results in a very attractive total return opportunity for shareholders compared to our regulated utility peers. The bottom line is that we are delivering superior long term benefits for our customers, the communities we serve, and you, our shareholders.
Again, thank you, all for joining us today. I'll now turn the call over to Marty. Marty?
Martin Lyons -- Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Thank you, Warner and good morning, everyone. Turning now to page 10 of our presentation. Today, we reported third quarter 2018 GAAP earnings of $1.45 per share compared to GAAP earnings of $1.18 per share for the year-ago quarter. Excluding third quarter 2018 and 2017 non-core, non-cash charges for the reevaluation of deferred taxes of $0.05 and $0.06 per share respectively, Ameren reported third quarter core earnings of $1.50 per share compared to core earnings of $1.24 per share for the third quarter of 2017. The third quarter 2018 charge reflects a true-up to the revaluation of deferred taxes associated with federal income tax reform resulting primarily from recently issued regulations related to the application of bonus depreciation to 2017.
Turning now to page 11. The key factors that drove the overall $0.26 per share increase in core earnings are highlighted by segment on this page. Ameren Missouri, our largest segment and also the largest driver of the year-over-year earnings improvement reported an increase of $0.25 per share from $0.97 per share in 2017 to $1.22 per share in 2018. This improvement was driven in part by a $0.16 per share timing difference between income tax expense and revenue reductions related to federal tax reform which we do not expect will impact full year results.
In addition, the comparison benefited from higher Ameren Missouri electric retail sales primarily due to warmer summer temperatures compared to near-normal temperatures in the year-ago period which contributed approximately $0.07 per share. For perspective, the weather benefit was largely driven by September temperatures which ranked as the third hottest in St. Louis over the last 50 years. This favorable impacts were partially offset by a planned increase in other operations and maintenance expenses of $0.03 per share.
Turning to the other segments. Earnings for Ameren Transmission and Ameren Illinois Electric Distribution were up $0.04 and $0.03 respectively reflecting increased infrastructure investments. In addition Ameren Illinois Electric Distribution's earnings benefited from a higher allowed return on equity under formulated ratemaking of 8.9% compared to 8.7% for the prior year.
The 2018 allowed ROE was based on the 2018 average 30-year treasury yield of 3.1% up from the 2017 average of 2.9%. Finally Ameren Parent and other results reflected lower net state and federal tax benefits as well as dilution. In summary, we had a strong third quarter that contributed to increased year-to-date earnings across each of our four operating segments. Details on the year-to-date results are provided in the appendix of our presentation.
Before moving on, I will briefly cover electric sales trends for Ameren Missouri and Ameren Illinois Electric Distribution for the first nine months of this year compared to the first nine months of last year. Weather-normalized kilowatt-hour sales to Missouri residential and commercial customers on a combined basis increased a little over 1% excluding the effects of our energy efficiency plan under MEEIA.
Kilowatt-hour sales to Missouri industrial customers also increased a little over 1% after excluding the effects of our energy efficiency plan. We exclude the FX, because the program provides rate recovery to ensure that earnings are not affected by reduced electric sales resulting from our energy efficiency efforts. Weather-normalized kilowatt-hour sales to Illinois residential and commercial customers on a combined basis increased about 1% while kilowatt-hour sales to Illinois industrial customers increased about 2.5%. Recall the changes in electric sales in Illinois, no matter the cost, do not affect our earnings since we have full revenue decoupling. Overall, the economies in both states remain stable to positive with unemployment in Ameren Missouri's territory at about 3.2% and Ameren Illinois' territory at about 4.3% compared to the national average of 3.7%.
Moving to page 12 of our presentation. I would now like to briefly touch on key drivers impacting our 2018 earnings guidance. Today, we raised our 2018 GAAP guidance range to $3.30 per share to $3.40 per share up from our prior range of $3.15 per share to $3.35 per share. This updated GAAP guidance range include the third quarter non-cash tax-related charge of $0.05 per share I discussed earlier. Excluding this charge, we expect to deliver 2018 core earnings within a range of $3.35 to $3.45 per share, a $0.35 per share increase in the mid-point as compared to our original guidance range of $2.95 to $3.15 per share issued in February. The increase reflects higher Ameren Missouri electric retail sales primarily due to the year-to-date weather benefit of $0.27 per share as well as continued solid execution of our strategy.
This updated guidance assumes normal temperatures for the remaining three months of this year. Moving to the balance of the year, we list on this page, select considerations that affect the comparability of fourth quarter 2018 earnings to last year's fourth quarter earnings. Some of the larger items include, the absence of the non-core, non-cash charge in the fourth quarter 2017 for the revaluation of deferred taxes associated with federal tax reform.
The absence of the fourth quarter 2017 Ameren Missouri Callaway refueling and maintenance outage as well as the expected reversal in the fourth quarter of 2018 of the $0.12 per share year-to-date timing difference between income tax expense and revenue reductions at Ameren Missouri also associated with federal tax reform. Before moving on, I would also like to mention that we expect Ameren Illinois to issue long term debt in November to repay $313 million of maturing 9.75% senior secured notes and refinance short term debt. We expect savings on Ameren Illinois financing costs to be passed directly to Ameren Illinois electric transmission and distribution customers through formula rates as well as to its natural gas customers as a result of the new natural gas rates based on a 2019 future test year.
Moving now to page 13 for a discussion of select regulatory matters starting with the Ameren Missouri. As Warner mentioned, pursuant to Senate Bill 564, Ameren Missouri elected to use plant-in-service accounting or PISA effective September 1st. PISA allows us to defer and recover 85% of depreciation expense and return on rate base related to qualifying plant placed in service after September 1st.
On this page, we've provided information to help assist in modeling PISA. I would like to note a return on rate base as well as on accumulated PISA deferrals will reflect Ameren Missouri's pre-tax weighted average cost of capital. However accounting rules only allow for the recognition in earnings of Ameren Missouri's cost of debt until such deferrals are reflected in rates. Therefore the incremental return on equity will be recognized in earnings when deferred amounts are recovered in rates over the 20-year period following subsequent rate reviews.
Turning to page 14. Regarding Ameren Transmission regulatory matters, there have been recently developments that may impact the base allowed ROE for MISO transmission owners. Earlier this month, the FERC issued an order addressing a prior court ruling in the New England ROE case. In its order, the FERC proposed a new methodology for determining the base allowed ROE and the soliciting feedback from participants. The final FERC order in the New England case was not expected until 2019 and we are unable to predict any potential impacts it will have in the pending MISO complaint case. Further it remains uncertain when the FERC will issue any orders in the pending MISO case.
Moving to page 15, in Ameren Illinois Electric Distribution regulatory matters. In April, we made a required annual electric distribution rate update filing. Under Illinois' formula ratemaking we are required to file annual rate updates to systematically adjust cash flows over time for changes in cost of service and to true-up any prior period over or under recovery of such costs. In August, the ICC staff issued its recommendation which was an agreement with Ameren Illinois' request. A decision is expected by December with new rates expected to be effective by January 2019.
Moving to Ameren Illinois Natural Gas regulatory matters. Earlier this year, we filed with the ICC for an increase in gas distribution rates using the 2019 future test year. In late August we updated our request to incorporate a stipulation agreement with the ICC staff and other active parties on all issues including a 9.87% ROE, a 50% equity ratio and $1.6 billion of rate base. A decision is expected by December with new rates expected to be effective by January 2019.
Turning to page 16. We plan to provide 2019 earnings guidance when we release fourth quarter results in February next year. Using our 2018 guidance as a reference point, we have listed on this page, select items to consider as you think about our earnings outlook for next year. Beginning with Missouri, we expect to return to normal weather in 2019 would decrease Ameren Missouri earnings by approximately $0.27 compared to 2018 results to date and assuming normal weather in the last quarter of this year.
Further we expect expenses for the scheduled spring 2019 Callaway refueling and maintenance outage to decrease earnings by approximately $0.10. The 2019 earnings comparison is expected to be favorably impacted by the full year application of PISA to a higher level of infrastructure investments as well as by lower other operations and maintenance expenses. The expected lower other operations and maintenance expenses are primarily due to the higher-than-normal scheduled non-nuclear plant outages experienced this year.
Next, earnings from our FERC-regulated electric transmission activities are expected to benefit from additional investments in Ameren Illinois and ATXI projects made under forward-looking formula ratemaking. Ameren Transmission earnings would of course be affected by any change, positive or negative to the current allowed ROE of 10.82%. For Ameren Illinois Electric Distribution, earnings are expected to benefit in 2019 compared to 2018 from additional infrastructure investments made under Illinois formula ratemaking. The allowed ROE under the formula will be the average 2019 30-year treasury yield plus 5.8%. The allowed ROE formula will serve as a natural hedge should interest rates rise. For Ameren Illinois Natural Gas Distribution, earnings will benefit from higher delivery service rates based on the 2019 future test year and an increase in the allowed ROE.
Turning to page 17, I will summarize. We expect to deliver 2018 core earnings within a range of $3.35 to $3.45 per diluted share as we continue to successfully execute our strategy. As we look ahead, we continue to expect strong earnings-per-share growth driven by rate base growth and disciplined financial management. And we believe Ameren shares continue to offer investors an attractive yield based on our recently increased dividend. The combination of our growth outlook and attractive dividend yield provides total shareholder return potential that we believe compares very favorably to our peers.
That concludes our prepared remarks. We now invite your questions.
Questions and Answers:
Operator
Thank you. We will now be conducting a question-and-answer session. (Operator Instructions) Our first question comes from the line of Ali Agha with SunTrust Robinson Humphrey. Please proceed with your question.
Warner Baxter -- Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer
Good morning.
Ali Agha -- SunTrust Robinson Humphrey -- Analyst
Good morning. My first question, as you mentioned with your year-end results you'll update your long term growth forecast as well. I just wanted to get some clarity. What's the base year you're going to use? And are you going to extend it to '23? How are you going to deal with the weather impact? Just curious how you're thinking about long term growth as you look to update that for us.
Warner Baxter -- Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer
Sure. Again, good morning, Ali. Look, we're giving that consideration at this point in terms of what would be the best approach. As I mentioned last call, one logical approach would be to utilize the 2018 base. But as you noted we have to consider and be mindful of sort of the non-core item, the weather impacts, the timing of Callaway outages and the likes. So, in using that 2018 as an alternative, but there are other alternatives as well that we'll be thinking through. To your point, with respect to CapEx and rate base, we certainly do expect to roll forward our outlook for CapEx and rate base out through 2023 and then we'll step back and think about what's the best approach in terms of providing the related earnings per share guidance.
Ali Agha -- SunTrust Robinson Humphrey -- Analyst
Okay. And second question, Marty, as you're thinking about incorporating that incremental CapEx from Missouri Senate Bill 564 and the wind into your planning, can you remind us how much capacity do you have right now in your mind to increase holding company debt beyond current levels? Or should we be thinking that any external funding at the parent likely will be coming from equity? Just to get some framework on how that funding plays out.
Martin Lyons -- Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Sure, Ali. Yeah, as we think about, back to the earnings per share guidance that we gave long term obviously we've not only incorporated the additions associated with the capital expenditures for 564, wind related investments and other investments. And we'd certainly step back also and think about what's the right financing plan for all of that. As I said before on prior calls and conversations, we will take into consideration a number of things as we think about how best to finance the plan. We're thinking about maintaining the strong balance sheet. That's sort of been hallmark of our operations over time. We're very happy with the credit ratings that we have today. We've worked hard over time to improve our business risks and achieve those credit ratings, so we'll be mindful also of the credit metrics that relate to those ratings.
We'll also be thinking of course about these investments and positioning these for success as we go through the regulatory processes. All of that with the backdrop of a certainly thinking about how to maximize shareholder value. So can't tell you exactly or give you a number in terms of exactly how much balance sheet capacity we think about in terms of additional holding company debt, but I think those other considerations that I laid out are the primary ones that we think about.
Ali Agha -- SunTrust Robinson Humphrey -- Analyst
Got it. Last question. Just as you think about this potential billion dollars of additional CapEx over five years in Missouri, can you remind us how much capacity do you have to potentially increase that, because I know there's a rate cap test, another test that come into play as well. But theoretically, how much more capacity would you have if you had opportunities to go above the billion dollars?
Martin Lyons -- Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Yeah. In terms of the rate cap you're absolutely right. I mean what we have in Missouri is under the new 564 regime that we embarked upon on September 1st is that we need to stay under a 2.85% compound annual growth rate through 2023 with the beginning of that growth rate, reflecting the rate case outcome we had last spring. Of course as we relate to that base we get to take into account half of the savings from the federal tax benefit.
But look Ali, I think as we go ahead, as we've said, we expected that adoption of 564 will allow us to invest that incremental billion dollars. Going back a couple of years, we've laid out under over a 10-year period, the opportunity to invest an additional $4 billion of capital over a 10-year period. So clearly as we look out there are other investments that we think that we could make over time for the benefit of our customers. And we'll be considering which of those investments we think are prudent to make over time, and at what time as we think about planning that, planning out our projects and executing them well.
So look, I think our goal over time is to deploy capital in a prudent way to improve service to our customers. As Warner said earlier, to benefit our communities to add jobs and we'll be thinking about how best to do that and stay under the -- that cap. I will tell you as it relates to the cap, we've said this before, some of the things that we do see as opportunities to help us in terms of the areas of cost are not only are the savings from the federal taxes which we were able to utilize just here earlier this year to reduce customer rates 6%, but we also see continuing opportunities from refinancings of higher cost debt.
We've got about $650 million of maturities between now and 2020 at higher rates than exist today. We see an opportunity to lower financing costs for our customers. We also see the opportunity to realize benefits from lower delivered fuel cost which we'll begin to see the savings from that this year and into next year. And over time also we'll look to keep tight controls on our O&M expenses and certainly as we roll out some of the grid modernization benefits or grid modernization investments, certainly look for opportunities to utilize those also to keep tight control on our O&M.
Warner Baxter -- Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer
Ali, this is Warner. I think that Marty did a great job summarizing it. I think to summarize it, we have a deep pipeline of investments that can bring significant benefits to our customers, not just in Missouri, but frankly across the Board. And secondly Marty outlined the host of cost opportunities for affordability to keep our customers rates low, not just in Missouri, but across the Board. So, we look at the pipeline plus affordability is going to continue to have a smooth forward (ph) with a strong sustainable growth plan.
Ali Agha -- SunTrust Robinson Humphrey -- Analyst
Thank you very much.
Operator
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Julien Dumoulin Smith with Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Please proceed with your question.
Warner Baxter -- Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer
Good morning, Julien.
Julien Dumoulin Smith -- Bank of America Merrill Lynch -- Analyst
Hey, good morning. Can you hear me?
Warner Baxter -- Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer
We can hear you fine. Thank you.
Julien Dumoulin Smith -- Bank of America Merrill Lynch -- Analyst
Excellent. So, perhaps just to clarify the last question a little bit further. Where do you sit with respect to your estimated (ph) debt targets with the agencies? And how much latitude do you have with that respect just to ask it in a slightly different way.
Martin Lyons -- Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Yeah, sure. Julien, this is Marty, again. In our credit rating, the issuer ratings, and we list these in the appendix to our slides, at S&P we've got a BBB+ with a positive outlook. The FFO-to-debt threshold, they set for us there is 13%. As it relates to Moody's, the parent issuer ratings, Baa1 and the threshold they set there for us on FFO-to-debt is 19%. So those are the benchmarks that we have today. That 19% also by the way is what they use. Moody's uses, both at Missouri and Illinois relative to their existing ratings. So those are the thresholds that we've set. We've not articulated, I'd say exactly where we are relative to those, but as you can tell us from the positive outlook at S&P and the fact that we've got a stable rating at Moody's should tell you something about where we sit relative to those metrics.
Julien Dumoulin Smith -- Bank of America Merrill Lynch -- Analyst
Got it. Excellent. And then just understanding a little more about the capital opportunity plan here, perhaps leaving behind Missouri but focusing elsewhere, looks like transition spend in the end tap (ph) looks up in the draft. Also curious on any thought process of any potential legislation in Illinois next year. How are you thinking about the various pieces that may or may not already be reflected in your existing capital plan aside for the roughly $2 billion between wind and grid mod that you've already articulated here. Just want to make sure we're fully inclusive here of some of the other potential factors.
Warner Baxter -- Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer
Yeah. Sure, Julien. This is Warner. Look, I would say this, obviously we have a very robust five-year plan and we've identified in that plan, the opportunity for an incremental $2 billion, one for grid mod and another for wind investment in Missouri. But, as I've said before, our plan isn't just a five-year plan. Our team is focused on creating an infrastructure pipeline to bring benefits for our customers for years, six through 10 and then go out to 15.
And so as we look at in Illinois, we believe that the map program was certainly a 10-year program, but I know Richard and his team continue to believe that, that they have robust distribution projects to continue to enhance service for our customers, whether it's in sub-stations, whether it's continue to automate the grid. Obviously, what the smart meter has done, but we continue to see opportunities there. And then our gas business as well.
We're investing more money in the gas business for that constructive framework. We believe there could be some new regulations coming down the pipe that will ultimately require additional investments there, but we will -- we believe too that there are opportunities. As you think about transmission, we obviously have outlined the investments that we're making there, both in multi-value and reliability projects. But you step back and you look at what's going on in MISO with all the renewable energy projects that are coming online and a lot of interconnection agreements are being put in there. There could be an opportunity down the road to have more robust transmission planning and investments.
I can't predict whether there'll be another round of multi-value projects, but when you look at the level of renewables coming into that space, now that's something to step back and think about beyond the five-year horizon. And so -- so, I would say that we feel very strong. We're not just focused on five-year, we're focused on year six through 15.
You made a passing comment about Illinois legislation. Look we're focused on executing the plan. This is not something that is at the top of our list of things to focus on in Illinois, but of course we're always engaged in the framework and the policy discussions in Illinois just like we are in Missouri and at the federal level. So hopefully that gives you a good insight in terms of how we think about the business.
Julien Dumoulin Smith -- Bank of America Merrill Lynch -- Analyst
Excellent. Thank you.
Operator
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Insoo Kim with Goldman Sachs. Please proceed with your question.
Insoo Kim -- Goldman Sachs -- Analyst
Hey, good morning, guys.
Warner Baxter -- Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer
Good morning, Insoo. How are you doing today?
Insoo Kim -- Goldman Sachs -- Analyst
Good, good. Just maybe focusing on the '18 guidance raised this quarter. The $0.15 at the mid-point, I know a part of that was due to better-than-normal weather for the quarter, but are there -- what are -- what's making up some of the other items that contribute to that increase? And is that more timing related or something more sustainable that could help in 2019 and beyond?
Martin Lyons -- Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Yeah. Insoo, this is Marty. The timing item we noted is really intra-year I would say. So, it's important to understand that year-to-date we have had a $0.12 benefit from the timing of income tax expense reductions versus income tax related revenue reductions associated with federal tax reform. So I think it's important to note that $0.12 benefit will reverse in the fourth quarter. So I want to say that it will be earnings neutral for the year.
Back to your question though, at the mid-point of our guidance, our core guidance which is $3.40, if you back out, the benefit we have of weather year-to-date which is $0.27, the net of that is about $3.13 again at mid-point on the weather-normalized basis, which does compare favorably to the mid-point of the guidance we gave out at the beginning of the year at $3.05, about $0.08.
And I think where you really see that is when you look at our slides and you look at the benefit that we've had year-to-date of sales on the nine months to date basis versus the impact of weather which you find there is an incremental benefit from sales of about $0.05. So I talked about some of the positive sales trends on our call and in our prepared remarks, but those positive sales trends are helping this year. And I'd say, that's the bulk of the driver of the guidance range when you back out weather.
Insoo Kim -- Goldman Sachs -- Analyst
Got it. And do you, what is your -- do you provide a longer term, low growth excluding EE type of growth rate?
Martin Lyons -- Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
What we typically talk about is, including EE, I mean we're seeing today what we gave out similar growth we're seeing year-to-date. Again, in Illinois where we're seeing some growth which is positive and we're decoupled there. So I'd focus on the Missouri growth. There, we're seeing residential and commercial growth, excluding energy efficiency, a little over 1% and industrial growth too of a little over 1%. So, those are positive trends. And as I remarked on our last call, I mean that's underpinned by some strong, I think economic data.
We're seeing job growth. We're seeing unemployment down in Missouri at about 3.7%, so below the national average. And importantly, we're seeing residential and commercial customer counts increasing in each of those more than 0.5% in terms of incremental customer count. So I think those are some positive trends. Longer term we're still thinking that inclusive of the impacts of energy efficiency, we're going to expect to see about flattish growth.
And as we move through time and we assess the results giving thought to the positive economic signs we're seeing in weather, there should be any change in our guidance longer term. But like I said, for now, we're thinking that inclusive of the energy efficiency which is both the energy efficiency that we promote but also sort of just natural energy efficiency that's coming through national standards, again, we're expecting about flattish over time.
Insoo Kim -- Goldman Sachs -- Analyst
Understood. And then, maybe just one more question. On the dividend, I know the payout of 55% to 70% target, you guys are currently at the lower end of that, given the potential upside to capital and rate base growth that you could see in the various jurisdictions with the assumption be that, the payout will remain sort of in the lower half of that range for the foreseeable future?
Warner Baxter -- Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer
Yeah. Insoo, this is Warner. Look, I think big picture we targeted between 55% and 70%, and so we're not saying whether going to -- where we're going to be in that picture, but as I said earlier, look I'm pleased that the Board raised the dividend for the fifth consecutive year, and I think it clearly reflects their confidence in terms of -- with our long term growth plan. And so yeah, we continue to be very comfortable with expressing our dividend in terms of the payout range. And then that coupled with a very strong rate base growth plan we think is delivering very strong total shareholder returns.
Insoo Kim -- Goldman Sachs -- Analyst
Understood. Thank you very much.
Warner Baxter -- Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer
Thank you.
Operator
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Greg Gordon with Evercore ISI. Please proceed with your question.
Warner Baxter -- Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer
Good morning, Greg.
Greg Gordon -- Evercore ISI -- Analyst
Good morning, guys.
Martin Lyons -- Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Hi, Greg.
Greg Gordon -- Evercore ISI -- Analyst
Pretty thorough Q&A already, so just some quick cleanup on page 8 of the handout. The potential wind generation investment in Missouri, the $1 billion, I think you lay out on another slide that those would be built on transfer projects, is that correct, is that deductible?
Warner Baxter -- Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer
Yes. They're both transfer agreements. Greg, I'm sorry, this is Warner. That's correct. The two --
Greg Gordon -- Evercore ISI -- Analyst
They would impact earnings when acquired. There would be no build up of AFEDC (ph) or capitalized interest, et cetera, because you would simply transact upon close. So, A, is that correct? And B, what's your best estimate as to when, I know there's probably a range of outcomes as to when they're delivered, but one would be a good placeholder for our modeling assumptions.
Martin Lyons -- Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Sure. Greg, this is Marty. Yes, first you're correct, in terms of your assumption around AFEDC financing. I mean the characteristic of the build, the transfer agreement is that the developers will finance during construction and we'll take ownership when the projects are complete. And it's at that point that we would have financing cost and revenues associated with those projects. So, you're absolutely right in your thinking of those. In terms of progress on the projects, I mean we were pleased to, for example on the Terra-Gen project, the first 400 megawatts to be able to get a settlement with parties to that case and just recently here get a Certificate of Convenience and need from the commission in a five month time frame.
So I think that's a good step forward and bodes well, we believe for approvals in future projects. That said another hurdle we have to get through is to get through the MISO interconnection process and get those approvals and certificates to move forward. So ultimately we believe that these projects will go into service in 2020. That is our goal, because that's when the PTC maximum value is realized. And then, when in 2020? It's hard to say, Greg. It will really depend on how we get through some of these MISO interconnection process, how construction goes, but ultimately the goal is to get these in service by the end of 2020.
Greg Gordon -- Evercore ISI -- Analyst
Okay. So they may have a material impact on 2020 earnings, but they'll definitely be fully loaded so to speak in 2021?
Martin Lyons -- Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Yeah, I think that's the right way to think about it Greg.
Greg Gordon -- Evercore ISI -- Analyst
Perfect. One follow-up on the grid mod investments through 2023, the $1 billion, when would they -- is that going to be sort of a ratable spend over a period of years? Do you expect that to be back-end loaded? How should we think about that feathering in to the plans?
Michael Moehn -- Chairman and President of Ameren Missouri
Greg, it's Michael Moehn. I think previously we said that it's going to fairly ratable at this point. So, and that going to get by the work right way to look at it, beginning in '19.
Greg Gordon -- Evercore ISI -- Analyst
Beginning in '19. Great, great. Okay. Thank you, guys very much. Have a great day.
Warner Baxter -- Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer
Thank you, Greg.
Operator
Thank you. Our next question comes from Stephen Byrd with Morgan Stanley. Please proceed with your question.
Warner Baxter -- Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer
Good morning.
Stephen Byrd -- Morgan Stanley -- Analyst
Hey, good morning. Congratulations on the good --
Warner Baxter -- Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer
How you're doing?
Stephen Byrd -- Morgan Stanley -- Analyst
Good, good. Congratulations on the good results.
Warner Baxter -- Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer
Thank you. I appreciate it.
Martin Lyons -- Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Thanks, Stephen.
Stephen Byrd -- Morgan Stanley -- Analyst
So, I just wanted to talk about the wind program that you have, the 700 megawatts or the up to 700 megawatts. If you did find that there were more opportunities that were beneficial to customers, because when the economics continue to get better, could you remind us of just the regulatory process you would go through if you wanted to go back and suggest that, hey, we should actually up-size this to above 700 megawatts, how would that sort of work out in the regulatory arena?
Martin Lyons -- Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
So, Stephen I'll kick it off and then I'll turn it over to Mike. I want to make sure, we have the regulatory process nailed down. But look, the bottom line, if we see opportunities in renewable generation, and here we're talking about when that are beneficial for customers, we will lean forward and move forward with those projects. Even when we announced this with the Integrated Resource Plan at some time, gosh, I guess it was last year. We said that they're not only just to meet the renewable energy standard opportunities, but also opportunities to invest more in wind or solar, should the economics continue to come down. So we will look at that. And so Michael, why don't you talk about the specific process, should we choose to do that in the future what that would look like.
Michael Moehn -- Chairman and President of Ameren Missouri
Yeah. I mean, again the 700 megawatts is obviously to comply with the renewable standard within the state. I mean it would really take a very similar process. Honestly if we identify other projects, that -- for the benefit of our customers, going through and applying for that CCN and going through that stakeholder process and going through in getting those interconnection agreements done. All of these things that we're doing is part of the 700 megawatts today.
Stephen Byrd -- Morgan Stanley -- Analyst
Understood. Okay. So, very much similar to how you had approached it so far. And then, just I wanted to make sure I was thinking about the cap on customer bills, the 2.85% compound impact. Given the benefits that you've had from tax reform and other dynamics, but also factoring in the spending plans you have, how much additional headroom do you have over and above factoring in everything that you sort of announced today in terms of additional headroom over the period?
Martin Lyons -- Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Yeah. Stephen, this is Marty. In terms of that, I'd say we wouldn't -- haven't really talked about a headroom if you will. I mean, what we've said is that we do feel very comfortable that the $2 billion of additional spending that we've been talking about which we've said numerous times, we think it would be largely additive to our capital expenditure plan that we can fully achieve that and stay under that cap with some margin. I haven't specified what that margin is, but have talked a lot about in detail earlier on this call, the various benefits that we see in terms of helping to keep rate growth low, part of it is the federal taxes. Part of it's, the delivered fuel that we talked about, part of it is the refinancings and part of it is the continued discipline around O&M including benefits that we expect will come with some of the grid modernization investments we're making.
Stephen Byrd -- Morgan Stanley -- Analyst
Understood. That's all I had. Thank you.
Warner Baxter -- Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer
Great. Thanks, Stephen.
Operator
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Paul Patterson with Glenrock Associates. Please proceed with your question.
Warner Baxter -- Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer
Hello, Paul.
Paul Patterson -- Glenrock Associates -- Analyst
Hey, how you're doing?
Warner Baxter -- Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer
I'm good. How are you?
Paul Patterson -- Glenrock Associates -- Analyst
All right. So, just, I know you guys don't want to predict the ISO New England impact on the MISO complaint case. However, I'm sure you guys have been doing some number crunching on what you guys sort of might, what -- if the proposed methodology that FERC is employing there or to be employed in MISO's case, could you give us a little bit of a sense as to what you think it would come up within in the base ROE complaint case?
Martin Lyons -- Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Yeah, Paul, your instincts were correct. I think we're -- look we think it's premature really to estimate the impact, our potential impact on the MISO complaints. Look, I'll say this. We do think it's positive that the FERC is taking steps to address the ROE uncertainty. We think that's positive. We also think that, the proposal what they have made is a step in the right direction. But, we said it's premature, because as you well know, it's really a proposal of requesting comments if you will, briefs from parties in the New England case. And things could change over time.
So we think it's a positive step, but there is still ways to go, of course as you know, the FERC is really under no timeline to rule here. They've got briefs that are due in mid-January. So we do think -- we do think that FERC will take action in 2019 and we'll stay closely posted. And over time, I think as they work through the methodology, we will have to take a look at our cases. Each case as you know it has somewhat different facts and data things are subject to interpretation. So, we'll be assessing all of that, but we think as we sit here today it's really premature to comment on your specific question.
Paul Patterson -- Glenrock Associates -- Analyst
Okay, fair enough. Then on the -- can you just remind, in terms of the current growth rate that you guys have, what the forecast for the 30-year treasury is in terms of that?
Martin Lyons -- Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Yeah. In terms of the guidance we've given today, and I think what you're talking about is our current guidance of 5% to 7%, compound EPS growth out through 2022 and really that accommodates a range of interest rates and ROEs as well as other things like capital spending levels, rate case outcomes, economic conditions. But specifically on your question, we've said over time it really accommodates a range of treasury rates and ROE levels. There's not a specific --
Paul Patterson -- Glenrock Associates -- Analyst
You're not using that blue chip thing as you guys were using before?
Martin Lyons -- Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
No. You have a good long memory though going back probably, five years ago or so we did use that as a -- an anchor on our guidance, but now we've gotten away from that over time.
Paul Patterson -- Glenrock Associates -- Analyst
Okay. And then just finally on the one time impact that $0.05, what caused the tax valuation to happen this quarter I guess? Do you follow what I'm saying regarding the TCGA?
Martin Lyons -- Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Yeah, I do Paul. When they put out their rules last year, they -- everybody made their best assessment with respect to certain transition provisions that we all had to make a good faith estimate, but understanding that as rules and regulations were clarified that there would be some updates. In this particular case, the primary driver was that, we got some guidance from IRS with respect to how to provide or how to deal with the transition of bonus depreciation as it related to 2017. So, we received that guidance, and as we filed our tax return here in the third quarter for 2017 that caused us, then to go ahead and true-up the revaluation that we did at the end of last year. So that's in a nutshell what happened.
Paul Patterson -- Glenrock Associates -- Analyst
Okay. Great. Thanks so much.
Martin Lyons -- Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Thanks, Paul.
Operator
Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Anthony Crowdell with KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.
Warner Baxter -- Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer
Hello, Anthony.
Anthony Crowdell -- KeyBanc Capital Markets -- Analyst
Good morning. I think, I'm maybe just beating a dead horse here. I just wanted to go through a quick housekeeping. The end of the second quarter guidance was $3.15 to $3.35. You've raised the mid-point now, I believe $0.15, but whether you are saying $0.06, is the remainder $0.09, the timing of the tax item?
Martin Lyons -- Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
No, it's not. No, the tax item is really excluded. So, if you look at -- in particular if you look at slide 12 that we gave out, we talked about what the GAAP EPS raise was and then the core EPS. So when you look at the core EPS range of $3.35 to $3.45 that excludes the impact of that $0.05. So the mid-point there of the $3.35 to $3.45 is of course $3.40. If you compare that back to the beginning of year mid-point, the beginning of the year mid-point was $3.05. So you can see the delta then.
Of that $0.27 is weather, OK. So if you back out weather from the $3.40 you get to $3.13, and that is indeed about $0.08 higher than the mid-point of our beginning of your guidance. And so the big driver of that when you look through the slides, and you look -- have a chance through the detail, is that we have seen sales growth that is contributing more than the $0.27 of weather. And in fact if you do the math, that sales growth is about $0.05. So, when you think about why is the guidance going up? Part of it is weather, a large part of it is weather. There's also about $0.08 of other stuff and the primary driver of that is incremental sales not associated with weather which is we estimate to be about $0.05.
Anthony Crowdell -- KeyBanc Capital Markets -- Analyst
So, I follow that, but I can't do the same for what happened after the second quarter to the fourth quarter, just going by the -- because you seem to keep floating back to the original core EPS. Can I do the same with what you updated at the second quarter to now?
Martin Lyons -- Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Yes you can. Yes you can. And the answer will be the same, that it's really sales growth over the course of the year that's allowing us to among other things to raise the guidance, but you can absolutely do the same thing rolling forward from the guidance we had last quarter.
Anthony Crowdell -- KeyBanc Capital Markets -- Analyst
Great. Thanks for taking my question.
Martin Lyons -- Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
You're absolutely welcome.
Operator
Thank you. Our final question comes from the line of Ashar Khan with Verition. Please proceed with your question.
Ashar Khan -- Verition -- Analyst
Hi, good morning.
Warner Baxter -- Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer
Good morning, Ashar. How are you?
Ashar Khan -- Verition -- Analyst
Just going on the 2019 consideration slide, this year, you were banking up O&M to be higher, if I memory is correct by about $0.14, can we assume that the decrement could be of a similar amount next year or could you provide a little bit, kind of a little bit, with same, less or more or I'm just trying to get a better sense to gauge that factor as we look into next year.
Martin Lyons -- Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Yeah, no, Ashar, you're absolutely right. The -- we had suggest at the beginning of the year that the O&M would be up about $0.14 year-over-year excluding Callaway. And if you look through the year-to-date considerations and you look at our guidance for the balance of the year, I think what you'd find is, it will be about $0.16 up year-over-year. But we do not expect that all of that would be raised next year. We do as we suggest on the slide, the slide you point to, slide 16, we do expect O&M, non-Callaway related O&M in Missouri to be down next year, but not that entire $0.16. So, expect it to be down to some extent, but not the full amount.
Ashar Khan -- Verition -- Analyst
Okay. Say more than $0.10 or so, Marty?
Martin Lyons -- Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Ashar, I appreciate your desire to pin me down on that. But I'd say just to this point we expect it to be down some. As you might imagine, we're still looking to finalize our plans for '19. Those are not set in stone. But we do have clarity that we do expect the number to be down.
Ashar Khan -- Verition -- Analyst
Okay. Thank you.
Operator
Thank you. There are no further questions at this time. I would like to turn the call back over to Mr. Kirk for any closing remarks.
Andrew Kirk -- Director of Investor Relations
Thank you for participating in the call. A replay of this call will be available for one year on our website. If you have questions you may call the contacts listed on our earnings release. Financial analyst inquiries should be directed to me, Andrew Kirk, media, you should call Erin Davis. Again, thank you for your interest in Ameren and have a great day.
Operator
Thank you. This concludes today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your presentation and have a wonderful day.
Duration: 66 minutes
Call participants:
Andrew Kirk -- Director of Investor Relations
Warner Baxter -- Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer
Martin Lyons -- Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Ali Agha -- SunTrust Robinson Humphrey -- Analyst
Julien Dumoulin Smith -- Bank of America Merrill Lynch -- Analyst
Insoo Kim -- Goldman Sachs -- Analyst
Greg Gordon -- Evercore ISI -- Analyst
Michael Moehn -- Chairman and President of Ameren Missouri
Stephen Byrd -- Morgan Stanley -- Analyst
Paul Patterson -- Glenrock Associates -- Analyst
Anthony Crowdell -- KeyBanc Capital Markets -- Analyst
Ashar Khan -- Verition -- Analyst
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