UMB Financial (UMBF) Q1 2019 Earnings Call Transcript

UMB Financial (UMBF 1.24%)
Q1 2019 Earnings Call
April 24, 2019 9:30 a.m. ET

Contents:

• Prepared Remarks
• Questions and Answers
• Call Participants

Prepared Remarks:

Operator

Good morning and welcome to the UMB Financial first-quarter 2019 earnings conference call. [Operator instructions] Please note, this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Kay Gregory, investor relations. Please go ahead.

Kay Gregory -- Investor Relations

Welcome and thank you for joining us. On the call today are Mariner Kemper, president and CEO; and Ram Shankar, CFO. Jim Rine, president and CEO of UMB Bank, will be available for the question-and-answer session. Before we begin, let me remind you that today's presentation contains forward-looking statements, all of which are subject to assumptions, risks and uncertainties.

Actual results and other future circumstances or aspirations may differ from those set forth in any forward-looking statements. Details about factors that may cause them to differ is contained in our SEC filings. Forward-looking statements made speak only as of today, and we undertake no obligation to update them, except to the extent required by applicable securities laws. Our earnings materials are available online at investorrelations.umb.com.

Reconciliations of non-GAAP financial measures to the nearest comparable GAAP measure have been included in the release and on Slide 34 and 35 of the supporting materials. All earnings per share metrics discussed on this call are on a diluted share basis. Now I'll turn the call over to Mariner Kemper.

Mariner Kemper -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Thank you, Kay. Thanks, everyone, for your interest in UMB. Highlights for the first quarter include balance sheet growth with average loan balances increasing 2.8% or 11.2% on a linked-quarter annualized basis and average deposits growing by 3%. We are in $1.18 per share on a net income of $57.7 million.

I'd like to discuss credit, beginning with a little more color on the fourth quarter charge-off of $48 million on a factoring relationship. While ongoing litigation proceedings still preclude us from sharing certain details, I can confirm that we're pursuing all avenues for recovery, including working with the trustee in the bankruptcy and bringing claims against people who may be liable individually. We've conducted an in-depth review of the factoring portfolio and our procedures in that business. When we acquired the factoring business from Marquette Financial Companies, we also acquired a leadership team with a long track record in the industry.

We relied on their capabilities and expertise in managing those credits. We have since removed some of the top leadership within that team and brought on a new credit leader with extensive factoring experience, who will work closely with our senior loan committee and within our proven risk management structure. While we made changes to our leadership, controls and procedures, we also identified five remaining credit relationships with characteristics outside the traditional factoring arrangements. At year-end, none of these loans were deemed impaired.

The early risk mitigation is at the core of who we are and strive to be at UMB. During the first quarter, we made a policy decision to exit these relationships, beginning in the second quarter and continuing over the next few months. Lastly, one of these relationships led to a charge-off of $11 million, reflected in our first-quarter results. The remaining four credits represent $80 million in balances and are performing at this time.

We expect to be paid in full on those relationships. Asset quality and our traditional commercial portfolio continues to be in line with our historical performance. Slide 17 of our deck shows a more detailed view, breaking down the commercial line in our net charge-offs chart on the preceding page. This shows that our core C&I book was in a net recovery position in both the fourth quarter of '18 and in the first quarter of '19.

Moving on. We had a very strong loan growth quarter adding $335 million in average balances in the first quarter and more than $1 billion compared to the first quarter of 2018. Our top line loan production for the first quarter was among the highest we've seen to date at $930 million. C&I was the biggest contributor to our growth, followed by CRE, where we're seeing continued growth and construction commitments, resulting in higher funding levels.

Total payoffs and pay downs this quarter represent 3.2% loan, slightly lower than our longer-term quarterly averages. Looking ahead, we continue to see activity in all of our verticals. And the top line production pipeline is strong, although, possibly, not at the higher level we saw in the first quarter. And while we can't always predict the exact timing of payoffs and pay downs, we'd expect them to be closer to the averages we've seen over the past several quarters of around 4% of loans.

Turning briefly to the income statement, I'd like to highlight some positive trends we're seeing in fee income. In past quarters, we've talked about the impact to fee income from selective pricing changes and a loss of one large customer in our Asset Servicing business. With those things behind us, along with the investments we've been making in our fee business, we are also seeing early signs of momentum across several business lines, and specifically our Institutional Banking group. In trading and investment banking, we're beginning to get some traction from investments we've been making in our teams and product offerings.

Building on our institutional trading and public fund capabilities, among others, has been a significant part of our strategy to differentiate revenue streams in periods where trading is challenged by economic environment. We're well positioned to grow when infrastructure spending returns and the bond market stabilize. Our Investor Solutions group has had some wins in providing banking services through partnerships with Fintech companies. Our institutional custody and Corporate Trust businesses, specifically the aviation group, continues to see attractive growth opportunities and a healthy pipeline.

And we are excited about the prospects and fund services, where our sales teams are seeing activity across all product lines. Additionally, we saw linked-quarter increases in deposit service charges. Derivative income from customer swaps, brokerage fees and Bankcard income. Our payment card business is picking up momentum.

And for the first time, our quarterly spend across our card products exceeded $3 billion. In our consumer card space, our team posted the largest monthly account origination in five years during the quarter, driving the number of accounts more than 400% higher than the first quarter of 2018. Diversity of revenue has historically been a strength for us, and we've enjoyed a higher percentage of fee income than our peers. This will serve as a natural hedge as we look ahead at a flat yield curve environment.

Finally, expenses for the quarter increased 3.4% compared to the fourth quarter, and Ram will cover some of the seasonality and other drivers in a moment. As we repeat often, we are focused on operating leverage over the long term, and you should continue to expect that from us. We are pursuing balance sheet and fee income growth opportunities, and we'll remain diligent on expenses, while making sure we're investing in the future. We have pivoted our investment spend from largely maintenance and business resiliency projects to those that generate revenue and efficiencies, while improving the overall customer experience across our various lines of business.

Now, I'll turn the call over to Ram for a more detailed discussion of our results. Ram?

Ram Shankar -- Chief Financial Officer

Thanks, Mariner. For the first quarter, net interest income was $163.9 million, representing a 1.3% increase on a linked-quarter basis. NII was favorably impacted by a 4.9% increase in average earning assets driven both by strong loan growth and investment of excess liquidity and to a lesser extent, higher short-term interest rates. These benefits were partially offset by two fewer days in the quarter as well as changes in our liabilities mix.

Earning asset yields improved seven basis points from fourth quarter due to improved yields in the AFS portfolio and favorable loan pricing from higher short-term rates. The cost of interest-bearing liabilities and the total cost of funds increased 13 and 11 basis points, respectively, driven by increased borrowing balances related primarily to client repurchase agreements and an increase of nine basis points in the cost of interest-bearing deposits. Average total deposits increased 3% on a linked-quarter basis, and our deposit composition is shown on Slide 13. Healthcare deposits increased 8.1% and represented the largest portion of our linked-quarter interest-bearing deposit growth, as much of the cyclical growth in these balances occurs in the first quarter, then accounts are funded following open enrollment at year-end.

Average DDA balances decreased slightly from the fourth quarter when we saw the typical seasonal buildup of cash in our various Corporate Trust businesses. Noninterest-bearing deposits represented 32% of total average deposits for the first quarter. Cycle-to-date, our earning asset yield has expanded by 132 basis points to 4.10% for a 59% cumulative asset beta. During the same period, our total cost of funds rose 81 basis points from 0.13% to 0.94% for a 36% cumulative beta.

Net interest margin for the quarter was 3.20%, down four basis points from the prior quarter. Margin was negatively impacted by approximately three basis points from excess liquidity, including the seasonal impact from public funds; two basis points from the loss of the $48 million credit charged off at year-end; and one basis point related to lower loan fees. Yields on the AFS portfolio benefited both from reinvestment of cash flows at accretive spreads as well as the additional day count, which added approximately five basis points. Our internal economic forecast and the outlook we contribute to Bloomberg now include no additional rate hikes in 2019.

As we discussed previously, in recent quarters, we have prebought and reinvested our cash flows into bonds with longer dated maturities with call protections to mitigate interest rate risk. While we're still investing our cash flows at accretive yields relative to roll-offs, buy yields have come down about 40 basis points since the fourth quarter given the shape of the curve. Similarly, in our loan portfolio, we've made some modest tweaks favoring long-tenured fixed-rate term debt. On the deposit side, the absence of additional rate increases should abate the pressure on betas, particularly on our indexed, institutional and corporate deposits.

But as we observed in the 2004-2006 cycle, deposit betas will likely continue to trickle up to cycle averages driven by mix changes and competitive factors. Based on these assumptions, we expect net interest margin to be relatively flat to modestly down through the remainder of 2019, but expect continued net interest income increases through balance sheet growth. Moving back to the income statement. Mariner already discussed some of the positive trends we're seeing in fee income.

More detail on the specific drivers are shown on Slides 20 and 21. If you exclude the noise related to COLI mark-to-market valuations in both quarters, fee income increased 3% from the linked quarter despite typical seasonal weaknesses in certain categories. Slide 22 contains detailed drivers of the quarterly changes in noninterest expense, which was $190.6 million for the first quarter, a 3.4% increase linked quarter. Salary and benefits expense increased $12 million compared to the fourth quarter, driven largely by $9.9 million of increased deferred comp expenses, the offsets for the COLI income I mentioned.

Additionally, as is typical for the first quarter, several items reset, including FICA and medical expense, which together increased $5.6 million from the fourth quarter. These increases were partially offset by decreases of $5.5 million in legal and consulting and $1.6 million in marketing and business development expense due to the timing of multiple projects. Finally, our effective tax rate was 15.4% for the first quarter. For the full-year 2019, we expect our tax rate to be between 15% and 17%.

That concludes our prepared remarks. And I'll now turn it back over to the operator to begin the Q&A portion of the call. 

Questions and Answers:

Operator

[Operator instructions] The first question comes from Chris McGratty with KBW. Please go ahead.

Chris McGratty -- KBW -- Analyst

Good morning. Thanks for the question. Ram, just starting with the deposits. I'm looking back.

First quarter's typically a seasonally tough quarter for you guys, but deposits on EOP were up, and I think you talked about the HSA strength. Should we -- how much of the growth was kind of temporarily related to the public funds? And I guess, expectations for kind of deposit growth for Q2? Because the size of the balance sheet is really pretty important in terms of NII and margin.

Ram Shankar -- Chief Financial Officer

There's different aspects of seasonality to each line of business. So I would say about $200 million to $300 million of what you saw in the first quarter was related to public funds. They've build up in the fourth quarter and early part of first quarter and then exit during the latter half of this -- the first quarter. We're not going to get into specifics on deposit growth outlook.

We typically don't do that, but again, there's different components that drive seasonality in different lines of businesses.

Mariner Kemper -- President and Chief Executive Officer

We don't expect anything unusual around our deposit growth on forward businesses.

Chris McGratty -- KBW -- Analyst

OK. The comment on the COLI and the expense offset, I guess my question was is it a one for one offset the tick up in the expenses and the $9 million tick up in fees? Or can you just maybe elaborate on that a little bit more?

Ram Shankar -- Chief Financial Officer

Yes, it's pretty much one-to-one. So it's just -- it's based on market activity. To fund our deferred comp program, we haven't hedged on the company-owned life insurance side. So the S&P was down 14% in the fourth quarter.

We had a negative $4 million hit to both fee income and $4 million in expenses -- or favorable expenses. And then in the first quarter when the market was up 13%, we had $5 million go the other way. So a positive swing in fee income. And so that's why when you exclude that noise for fee income, fee income was up 3% for all the reasons that Mariner talked about.

Chris McGratty -- KBW -- Analyst

OK, that's great. And maybe one more, Mariner, on the credit. You led with the discussion of the factoring. The $11 million incremental charge-off, what's -- what was the principal on that? Is that a similar loss rate than the $48 million in the quarter? And maybe elaborate a little bit more on kind of what you've done over the past 3 months? I think the message last quarter was that you felt that was isolated.

But just a little bit more color that you could lay out for me...

Mariner Kemper -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Yes, thanks for the question. I guess most of what I have to say is in my prepared remarks. Just adding a little color to it. Our credit management team, including myself, we've been doing this together, the company, for a quarter of a century together.

And when we acquired Marquette -- so they acquired subsidiary in the fourth quarter, we recognized some problems, and we've spent the last 90 days, basically, changing our leadership, changing processes, changing procedures, in order for it all to come in line with the way we manage risk as a company. As we wrap up the first quarter, we feel like we have accomplished our goals and brought that company in line the way we do things as a company.

Chris McGratty -- KBW -- Analyst

OK. And so the future growth, I mean, with the new management, is it -- you will kind of let the portfolio rundown? Or will it be a source of growth? And then also, just the loss rate on that $11 million would be helpful.

Mariner Kemper -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Yes. So on the first question, I would say that absolutely love the business. We put in -- in my prepared remarks, you'll remember, I said that we've put in a new credit leader. And so we're -- absolutely think as that's one of the biggest and most important commercial banks in our footprint that you need to be in the factoring business, you need be in the ABL business, you need to be able to provide mezzanine financing to be a full service commercial bank.

So we love the business. We think it's additive to our company. We fully expect to continue to grow it. And as far as the amount on the credit, in the first quarter, I would just say that, again, much like the one in the fourth quarter, there are proceedings around that to remedy the situation.

So I can't get into a whole lot of detail around how much of a loss there is there.

Chris McGratty -- KBW -- Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from Nathan Race with Piper Jaffray. Please go ahead.

Nathan Race -- Piper Jaffray -- Analyst

Hey, guys. Good morning. Ram, just to circle back in your comments around the margin outlook from here. I think you were speaking to maybe flat to down from here.

Is that just a function of the deposit cost increases to your comments and maybe not abating as you guys continue to grow the balance sheet? And just within that context, curious what the weighted average rate on new loan production is relative to that portfolio yields around 5.18% in the quarter?

Ram Shankar -- Chief Financial Officer

So it is a combination of multiple factors, right? First thing is, as I said, it's deposit betas don't stop just because the Fed is on pause. And the other point I made was even though, we're still being accretive on new buys that -- on the securities portfolio, the fact that the curve is flattened out and our buy yields are now 40 basis points lower than what we used to buy in the fourth quarter, will have some impact on margin going forward. Again, it's accretive, but when you're buying at 3.50% and your margin is 3.20% that will have some impact on margin. Just on the loan side, no appreciable change in terms of new loan production yields.

I made some comments in my prepared comments, we are extending the tenure of our loan book modestly term debt so to the extent -- again, in that portfolio, I would say the roll-on, roll-off yields are still positive to what's rolling off.

Nathan Race -- Piper Jaffray -- Analyst

OK, got it. And changing gears and maybe just thinking about the trajectory of credit loss and provision going forward. I appreciate that the charge-offs within factoring probably won't repeat now that you got new leadership within that group going forward. So just any thoughts on just how we can think about the trajectory of the provision from here? And I did notice that Chris asked classified trends, did tick higher sequentially in the quarter.

So just curious, within that context as well, how we should think about the provision going forward?

Mariner Kemper -- President and Chief Executive Officer

So on provision expense, I would say that generally speaking, you should expect our provision expense to normalize to historic levels because we expect our underwriting practices to be the same as they've always been. So that should normalize. And then I would say, as it relates to the increase in ranks credits, that is, if you look at these -- if you look at the longer term tenure of that chart, you'll see that it kind of goes up and down and bumps along. So there's really nothing to note that's unnatural or unique or unusual there.

If you really look at doubtful line at the bottom that's what you should pay attention to. We have a very low migration historically and expect to have low migration going forward.

Nathan Race -- Piper Jaffray -- Analyst

Understood. Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from David Long with Raymond James. Please go ahead.

David Long -- Raymond James -- Analyst

Good morning, everyone. In the noninterest income, total there obviously, some moving parts but a nice move upwards, nonetheless, even excluding some of the noise. Do you guys feel like the fourth quarter may have been the trough in net interest income for UMB?

Mariner Kemper -- President and Chief Executive Officer

I love that question. I said that -- I said something about that in the fourth quarter that we were excited to see the momentum building in our noninterest income. Again, if you look back a couple of events as I talked about in the fourth quarter around getting past selling Scout, and as we've talked in the past getting past the loss of a large client in fund services that was related to a consolidation of a global business, really unrelated to how the business was performing. And so getting past those two things, as we look into the end of the first quarter, we are seeing, as Ram just mentioned a minute ago, outside of the COLI numbers, we are seeing noninterest income growth again.

It's really coming from all across the board. Our Institutional businesses are really seeing stride, Corporate Trust, we continue to consolidate on a national basis to Corporate Trust business as the national banks marginalize their efforts because they're not big at anyone of the banks, and we continue to consolidate against that. We're excited about that and our aviation Corporate Trust business within that is seeing nice momentum. Really across all of our Institutional business lines, fee -- our service charge income is up, our credit card income is up.

We're seeing nice production on the card business, which I might ask...

Jim Rine -- President and Chief Executive Officer, UMB Bank

We're seeing -- yes, this is Jim Rine. We're also seeing growth in our card business, our commercial card business, we're seeing steady growth -- double-digit growth in our card business, commercial card as well as we're finally seeing growth in our consumer card business again, as we been reinvesting in that product. So as Mariner said, we're feeling very good about our fee income.

Mariner Kemper -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Yes. So we definitely think -- you used the right term trough. We've got a new baseline, and we're seeing growth from there again. And we're excited about that momentum.

David Long -- Raymond James -- Analyst

Got it. I appreciate the color. And then as a follow-up to -- or the second question I had is related to the repurchase authorization from last night. Do you guys intend to act on that? Or what would cause you or what -- in what situation would you be inclined to aggressively act on that?

Mariner Kemper -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Well, we have been approving that on an annual basis now for some time, and it really is designed to give us the flexibility. And so from there, I will just say, we monitor all of our use of capital options which -- of which, at the top of that is to invest in growth. And if we can't find opportunities to invest in growth, we then look at other uses of capital, of which, a buyback is one of those possibilities.

David Long -- Raymond James -- Analyst

Got it. Thank you for taking my questions.

Operator

The next question comes from Gordon McGuire with Stephens Inc. please go ahead.

Gordon McGuire -- Stephens Inc. -- Analyst

Filling in for Matt today. Good morning. Maybe just a start on the loan growth. The production this quarter was pretty impressive, particularly in C&I.

Can you talk about the drivers through that? What segments saw the best production across the bank? And then maybe specifically, I noticed that ramp in Texas was pretty accelerated this quarter. Is there anything to call out there?

Jim Rine -- President and Chief Executive Officer, UMB Bank

Well, this is Jim Rine. Thank you for the question. We've seen growth in -- really it's not set in just one particular industry, we're seeing it across the board. But several of the larger C&I loans we've done have been acquisition loans, purchase of new companies or either existing customers are selling or folks are acquiring a new company, but our growth has really been our penetration -- market penetration.

Kansas City is the only market that we're in where we have the dominant market share, and so we have upside potential in each one of our major metro markets for future growth. Texas being a prime example of our position, and with the economy being as strong as it is in Texas, and the team we've made investment in bankers in Texas. And as we've made that investment, we're seeing the fruits of their efforts come on board.

Gordon McGuire -- Stephens Inc. -- Analyst

Any specific segments you're hiring in out of Texas?

Jim Rine -- President and Chief Executive Officer, UMB Bank

We have built out -- we have made investments in our energy team, which is very small, mind you, in our -- but -- small but mighty. And then we have built out our real estate team. But traditionally, we've invested in C&I bankers that are more middle-market to upper middle market that handled the traditional working capital construction, manufacturing, distributing, clients that have been our traditional bread and butter.

Gordon McGuire -- Stephens Inc. -- Analyst

Got it. And then going back to the loan yields, Ram, I think you had mentioned that the new production was still accretive to the portfolio, but the repricing this quarter, up seven basis points, was below what you've seen the past four quarters. Anything there that would have muted that to think about?

Ram Shankar -- Chief Financial Officer

Yes, it's more to do with what LIBOR rates do. Yes, last quarter if you look at what LIBOR moved versus this quarter, so that's -- explains largely the difference between the 24 basis points pickup in loan yields. Last quarter, I also talked about some elevated fees in our 3.24% margin. So just a clarification, on the first part of your comment, the accretive yields are relative to roll-offs versus the portfolio.

It's still true both ways, but I'd just clarify my comments from earlier.

Gordon McGuire -- Stephens Inc. -- Analyst

Got it. And then last thing from me with the elevated deferred comp, do you expect the efficiency this quarter to be the high watermark for the year? And any color you could give just on efficiency trends over time?

Mariner Kemper -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Well, we don't -- we have not been given guidance on exactly what our targets are there. What we have been consistent about is saying that we can do better over the long haul. And putting one quarter against the next quarter aside, based on what might happen from one quarter the next long-term trends, we should be able to improve our efficiency ratio from here.

Gordon McGuire -- Stephens Inc. -- Analyst

Thank you, guys.

Operator

The next question comes from John Rodis with FIG Partners. Please go ahead.

John Rodis -- FIG Partners -- Analyst

Good morning, guys. Ram, just on the securities portfolio, so you're sitting here at about $8.2 billion. Would you expect sort of to keep that level over the next quarter or two? I know there's going to be buying and selling and runoff and stuff, but around $8 billion plus or minus?

Ram Shankar -- Chief Financial Officer

Yes, generally, yes. Let me bifurcate the two conversation, all right? So we have the held-to-maturity bonds there typically average at $1.2 billion. We don't see any big movements, plus or minus from a policy perspective. And then just on the AFS book that the treasury team here manages.

Yes, for the near term I would expect that to be closer to the $6.8 billion that we are at right now.

John Rodis -- FIG Partners -- Analyst

OK. Thanks. And a follow-up, did you say the tax rate 15% to 17%?

Ram Shankar -- Chief Financial Officer

For the full year, that's correct.

John Rodis -- FIG Partners -- Analyst

For the full year. OK. And then just one other question, Ram, on the swing in deferred comp. So it sounds like for the first quarter, it was a $5 million expense.

Is that right?

Ram Shankar -- Chief Financial Officer

Correct. Compared to a negative -- compared to a negative for the last quarter.

Mariner Kemper -- President and Chief Executive Officer

This is completely neutralized because it's the same thing every quarter. It's based on what's happening in the market, and that -- and the income and expense just basically wash each other out almost on a quarterly basis.

John Rodis -- FIG Partners -- Analyst

Yes, no. I get it. I get it. Thanks.

Mariner. No. I guess what it -- the way I was trying to look at it is just looking at expenses. So if we're at a $190 million, I guess, if we back that $5 million out, get to $185 million.

Is that sort of the right way to think about, sort of, core expenses going -- and sort of the growth rate off that going forward?

Ram Shankar -- Chief Financial Officer

Yes. Generally, there are pluses and minuses, right? So in the -- one of the other comments I said, that's typical to the first quarter for all of us is FICA and medical expenses spike up, that were probably quite around $9 million. So while that will recede into second and third quarters, these -- some of the investment spend that Mariner talked about will come through the expenses, but you're generally thinking about it right, John.

John Rodis -- FIG Partners -- Analyst

OK. And then one final question for me. Just on fee income, obviously some positive trends, and like you said, your investments are starting to pay off. Just specifically within brokerage, was that more a function of the stronger market in the first quarter? Or anything else specific going on there?

Ram Shankar -- Chief Financial Officer

Mostly market-based.

Jim Rine -- President and Chief Executive Officer, UMB Bank

Yes, it's relatively small growth but we have added new business as well but it was market-based.

John Rodis -- FIG Partners -- Analyst

OK. Super. Thanks, guys.

Operator

[Operator instructions] The next question is a follow-up from Chris McGratty with KBW. Please go ahead.

Chris McGratty -- KBW -- Analyst

Thanks. Just wanted to ask about M&A. Given the capital levels and kind of the prospects for transaction -- bank transactions, well maybe what you're seeing in kind of appetite for deals?

Mariner Kemper -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Yes. So I would say that generally speaking as we sit here today, some of the same things would exist, which is that we are actively pursuing bolt-on opportunities within our fee-based businesses. Those seem to be the most likely things to be able to come together given the environment. And the environment meaning banks given where they've been trading, looking backwards, has sort of put us -- had put us out of the market.

Now our expectation as we look forward, given a slowing GDP and the Fed rates environment changing is that boardroom conversations might change and expectations might moderate for sellers, and that might give us more opportunity coming into the next nine and 12 months for more robust conversations than we've been able to have. So we would still like to be able to find a bank transaction to do, and those conversations we have not really seen that -- those rocks turnover quite yet, but it would be my expectation that boardroom conversations would change a little bit over the next nine and 12 months given the environmental changes.

Chris McGratty -- KBW -- Analyst

Thank you for that. And sizing expectations, a few billion kind of maybe the parameters in markets?

Mariner Kemper -- President and Chief Executive Officer

We don't have any specific guidance to give on that. The last deal we did felt great, and that was a couple of $3 billion that felt like something that is something we can digest easily. So I'd say that's helpful.

Chris McGratty -- KBW -- Analyst

Thanks. Appreciate it.

Operator

This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to management for any closing remarks.

Kay Gregory -- Investor Relations

Thank you, and thanks for joining us today. This call can be accessed via replay at our website and as always, you can contact UMB Investor Relations at (816) 860-7106 with any follow-up questions. Again, we appreciate your interest and time. Thank you.

Operator

[Operator signoff]

Duration: 39 minutes

Call Participants:

Kay Gregory -- Investor Relations

Mariner Kemper -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Ram Shankar -- Chief Financial Officer

Chris McGratty -- KBW -- Analyst

Nathan Race -- Piper Jaffray -- Analyst

David Long -- Raymond James -- Analyst

Jim Rine -- President and Chief Executive Officer, UMB Bank

Gordon McGuire -- Stephens Inc. -- Analyst

John Rodis -- FIG Partners -- Analyst

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