Thomson Reuters Corporation (TRI) Q1 2019 Earnings Call Transcript

Thomson Reuters Corporation (TRI -0.38%)
Q1 2019 Earnings Call
May 8, 2019, 8:30 a.m. ET

Contents:

• Prepared Remarks
• Questions and Answers
• Call Participants

Prepared Remarks:

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by and welcome to the Thomson Reuters First Quarter 2019 Earnings Call. At this time, all participant lines are in a listening-only mode. Later, there will be an opportunity for your questions. Instructions will be given at that time. As a reminder, today's conference call is being recorded. I'd now like to turn the conference over to the Senior Vice President of Investor Relations, Frank Golden. Please go ahead.

Frank Golden -- Senior Vice President of Investor Relations

Thank you. Good morning, everyone, and thanks for joining us today. Our CEO, Jim Smith, and our CFO, Stephane Bello, will review the results for the first quarter and will update you on the outlook for the balance of the year. When we open the call for questions, we'd appreciate it if you'd limit yourselves to one question each to enable us to get to as many questions as possible. Now, as a reminder, we no longer control Refinitiv as we own 45% of the partnership. We account for our ownership interest as an equity method investment on our income statement, and I'll also remind you that Refinitiv is not included in our adjusted earnings or in adjusted earnings per share.

Now, throughout today's presentation, when we compare performance period on period, we discuss revenue growth rates before currency, as we believe this provides the best basis to measure the underlying performance of the business. Today's presentation does contain forward-looking statements, and actual results may differ materially due to a number of risks and uncertainties discussed in reports and filings that we provide to regulatory agencies. You can access these documents on our website or by contacting our investor relations department. I'd like to, now, turn the call over to our CEO, Jim Smith.

Jim Smith -- Chief Executive Officer

Thank you, Frank, and thanks to all of you who joined us today as we report our first quarter results. We'll spend most of our time focused on operating performance, and I am pleased to report that we have a solid start to the year, but it is especially rewarding to do so knowing that two of our colleagues, yesterday, were released from a Yangon prison after spending more than 500 days behind bars. It was a great day for Reuters and for press freedom, and it was a joyous reminder of the core values that make this company special. We have a resilient business model that is delivered by passionate, committed colleagues who believe deeply that what we do every day makes a difference in the world. I wanted to take the opportunity to pay tribute to Wa Lone, Kyaw Soe Oo, and their colleagues in our Myanmar Bureau for their commitment to fearless impartial journalism. Their work has been rightly recognized worldwide. Their courage is an inspiration to us all. I also wanna thank the countless individuals and organizations who have helped keep the public spotlight focused on them and on our cause. It's safe to say they very well might not be free without that support.

Now, to the operating results. As I mentioned, we're off to a solid start, across the business, with the first quarter's performance a bit above our expectations as we continue to build on the progress we made last year. In the quarter, net sales were strong due to improved retention and price realization. Our book-of-business continued to build nicely, and organic recurring revenue growth was the strongest we have seen in quite a few years. Reported revenues were up 8% in the quarter. That includes the quarterly payment from Refinitiv to Reuters News.

In revenues at a constant currency, we're up 10%. Note that currency had a $26 million negative impact on reported revenues in the quarter. Organic revenues increased a bit more than 3% for the quarter marking the third consecutive quarter of 3% organic revenue growth. Importantly, organic revenue growth would have been 4% had transactions just been flat versus last year. So, based on the results for the quarter, we're confident that we're on track to achieve our full-year organic revenue growth target of 3-3.5%.

Adjusted EBITDA was about $400 million, down 8% as expected. The decline was driven by stranded and one-time costs incurred in the quarter as our underlying EBITDA performance continues to improve. Stephane will provide more details on this later. Adjusted EPS was up $0.08 to $0.36 per share versus $0.28 per share a year ago. Based on the first quarter's performance and our outlook for the remainder of the year, we are reaffirming our four-year outlook for 2019 and 2020 that we provided in February.

Now, as I mentioned, total reported revenues grew 8% to $1.5 billion with organic revenue up 3%. Recurring revenues were about three-quarters of the total company revenues, and they grew 6$organically with strong growth in legal corporates and tax professionals. Transactions revenues declined 3% organically for the quarter and represented 13% of total revenues, and global print revenues performed slightly better than expected, declining 4% organically for the quarter, and they constituted 11% of total revenues.

Effective the first of this year, we consolidated all of our global print businesses under one management team, and we're beginning to see the benefits from using consistent best practices across geographies, which is improving retention and achieving economies of scale. For the full year, we expect print revenues to decline mid-single digit.

As you can see, on this slide, legal professionals, corporates, and tax professional's segments comprise nearly 80% of total revenues. They grew 4% organically for the quarter. Recurring revenues for these businesses increased by 6%. We continue to expect a strong performance from these three businesses for the full year, and this is where we are targeting our investments. These investments should further accelerate growth and put us on a path to achieve our overall organic revenue growth target of 3.5% to 4.5% in 2020.

Reuters News revenues were up more than 100%, including the quarterly payment from Refinitiv. Organic revenues for Reuters News were up 3%. You will recall that Reuters News revenue growth rates will be distorted, this year, until the fourth quarter, at which time we will lap the first quarterly payment that was made in 2018.

So, 2019 is off to a solid start with the trajectory of the business continuing to improve. Revenue growth is tracking to plan, sales were strong in the quarter, our book-of-business is building, and we're seeing good underlying margin improvement. So, the pieces are in place as we focus on our number one goal, achieving revenue growth of 3.5% to 4.5% next year. And to achieve this, we are aggressively building on our strengths.

First, we're fortunate to operate in attractive, stable, and growing markets where we hold leadership positions. We don't take this for granted. We are working to further strengthen our position by embedding ourselves more deeply in the most valuable professional workflows. We're knitting together our offerings, we're extending our unique content, and we're building new capabilities on cutting-edge technology, which should lead to higher retention and higher recurring revenue growth.

Second, our customers rely on us to be their information and technology partner as they navigate significant change. We thrive on serving the nuanced needs of those customers, and demand for technology-led workflow solutions that help our customers save time and deliver more value to their customers is increasing, and we're working to capture new customer spend by serving those evolving needs. In fact, demand for legal information and technology continues to grow above inflation as more law firms embrace more technology.

Third, our deeply knowledgeable and experienced domain experts add significant value to our content. This helps set us apart from the competition and is an underappreciated skill set and strength. For example, our success with AI, in general, and Westlaw Edge, in particular, is a result of three key ingredients: unique proprietary content, talented technologists, and experienced domain experts all working together to develop world-class solutions. This work is ramping up across the company, and you will see a series of new AI-based legal and tax solutions released throughout this year and next.

Last, we're moving aggressively to simplify the business by investing in technologies to enable customer support, to enable customers to transact with us through digital channels. We're consolidating legacy platforms, we're sunsetting over products, and we're disposing of non-core, low-growth, low-margin businesses while focusing investment in our three core businesses. So, we've never been better positioned to help reinvent the way professionals work. Our customers are counting on us. Our first-quarter results reflect the progress we're making.

Now, I'll turn it over to Stephane to discuss the first quarter's results in further detail.

Stephane Bello -- Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Thank you, Jim, and good morning or good afternoon to all of you joining us today. As I always do, let me start by reminding you that our results exclude the performance of Refinitiv. Also, as Frank mentioned earlier, I will talk to revenue growth before currency. So, on a constant currency basis, first-quarter revenues were up 10%. Currency had a negative 2% impact on revenue this quarter, or $26 million. On an organic basis, revenues grew 3% during the first quarter, excluding the impact of the newest contract with Refinitiv and the Integration Point acquisition. I will provide some additional information about the breakdown of our organic revenue growth on the next slide.

First, turning to profitability, adjusted EBITDA was $397 million in the first quarter, which was down 8% primarily due to cost and investments related to the separation of the two companies. Now, before turning to the segment results, let's look a little deeper at our organic revenue growth performance. Overall, organic revenue growth was 3% during the first quarter, which represented an improvement of about 140 basis points over the performance in Q1 2018. As shown on the left-hand side of this graph, this was driven by better organic growth performance in all of our three core businesses: legal professionals, corporates, and tax professionals. What is particularly encouraging is that this improvement in organic growth was entirely driven by higher recurring organic revenue growth, as reflected on the top-right side of this slide. Our recurring revenue growth grows 5.5% organically, which rounds up to 6%, and which was an improvement of 170 basis points from last year.

The year-over-year improvement in recurring revenue growth was particularly visible in the legal professionals and corporate segments while tax professionals growth remained strong at 7% as compared to the prior year period. Shifting to the bottom-right portion of the slide, you can see that transaction revenue has declined 3% in the first quarter versus a 2% decline in Q1 last year. The decline was primarily concentrated in the legal professionals business, and we believe that it was primarily timing related. If transaction revenue growth had been flat in Q1, or legal professional segment would have reported an organic growth rate of 4%, and, more importantly, as Jim mentioned earlier, our consolidated growth rate would have been 4% organically. So, that's why we are encouraged by our first-quarter revenue growth performance and why we feel confident in the organic growth targets we have set for ourselves, both for 2019 and 2020.

Now, let me provide some additional color on the performance of our individual segments starting with legal professionals. Legal revenues were up 3% during the quarter with organic revenue growth also at 3%. Recurring revenues, which were 93% of the total, were up 5% organically as I just mentioned, and transaction revenues, 7% of the total were down 9% organically, mainly due to timing from our Elite products. From a profitability perspective, the margin of 38.2% was up more than 500 basis points over the prior year period, and that was driven, primarily, by flow-through from the strong recurring revenue growth. It's also driven by savings from efficiency actions taken last year and also some variable timing of expense spending. For the full year, we continue to expect the EBITDA margin to be up from last year, driven by the factors mentioned earlier.

Here's a more detailed look at legal revenue performance for the first quarter. Law firms, which include small, mid, and large law firms and represent about two-thirds of total revenues, grew 1%, and that segment was negatively affected by lower transaction revenues versus the prior year period. Also impacting growth, we're at the dispositions of several small businesses which had about 100-basis point negative impact. Government, which is 15% of the total, had another strong government with revenues of 8% led by strong growth in our investigations and public records businesses. Finally, the global segment represented 17% of total revenues and was up 5%.

Westlaw Edge continues to make very good progress the market, and it continues to command an attractive premium. We expect to release additional Westlaw Edge modules over the balance of the year, which should further strengthen and enhance our offering. We're also continuing to roll out new solutions for the legal market. Last month, we launched Panoramic, an integrated and holistic approach to matter management. Panoramic is a cloud-based solution that joins together existing offerings in Practical Law legal guidance with Elite's financial management system to connect the front and back office of a law firm. Panoramic enables law firms to plan, manage, and execute legal matters with data-driven confidence, and we're expected about the prospects for this new offering.

Now, moving to our corporates segment, corporates revenues were up 8% during the quarter with organic revenue growth of 6%. The acquisition of Integration Point contributed about 300 basis points to the growth rate during the first quarter. Recurring revenues, which are about 76% of the total, were up 9% organically, and transaction revenues were down 4% organically due to softness in our Legal Managed Services business, which, as a reminder, we are in the process of selling to EY. We expect to close this transaction later this quarter. From a profitability perspective, the margin of 33.6% was down 20 basis points from the prior period as higher organic revenues helped to offset the diluted impact of the Integration Point acquisition.

Now, looking at corporates result by subsegment, large corporates, which are about three-quarters of revenues, grew 9%, driven both by tax and legal solutions in addition to the newly acquired Integration Point business. Organic growth in that subsegment was 5%. The medium-sized corporates, about 17% of the total, grew 6% with strong growth from legal and tax solutions. Finally, global corporates grew 8% thanks to a steady performance from our Latin American and Asian businesses.

Moving to tax professionals, first quarter revenues grew 5%, and organic revenue growth was also 5%. Recurring revenues, which were 78% of the total were up 7% organically, driven by software solutions in small and mid-sized firms. Transaction revenues were about flat to the prior year period. The adjusted EBITDA margin of about 42% was up nearly 500 basis points versus the prior year period due to revenue growth, the variable timing of some expense spend, and to efficiency savings. As a reminder, the tax professional's segment is our most seasonable business with nearly 60% of full-year revenues typically generated in the first and fourth quarters. Because of this, the margin performance in this segment is generally higher in the first and fourth quarters as costs are incurred in a more linear fashion throughout the year.

Looking at the tax professional's result by subsegment, you can see, on this slide, small, mid, and large accounting firms' revenues grew 5%. Our global businesses segment grew 15%, primarily driven by our Latin America business. Our government segment, which makes up about 5% of revenues declined 4%.

Moving on to Reuters News, the first quarter results include $84 million of revenues from Refinitiv, which explains the revenue growth rate exceeding 100% during the quarter. Now, recall that the first payment received from Refinitiv was in the fourth quarter of last year, so we have two more quarters to go before we lap these higher growth rates and return to a more normalized level. Organic revenues grew 3%, which was partly attributable to a price increase related to the Refinitiv contract and also to good growth in the consumer solutions business, and EBITDA was up $8 million from the prior year period, primarily due to the Refinitiv revenues. As a reminder, the revenues from Refinitiv essentially cover the costs of providing the new services, and, therefore, this contract has a diluted impact on the annual EBITDA margin.

Last but not least, our global print revenue has declined 4% over the prior year period with organic revenues also down 4%. The EBITDA margin for the quarter remains strong at nearly 45% despite the revenue decline. This segment continues to take a fresh look at our global print businesses, and we are rolling out new initiatives to enhance customer experience, boost retention, and work even more efficiently.

Let me, now, spend a moment to speak to the performance of the Refinitiv business. As a reminder, our previously recorded results for the F&R business are not fully comparable to the basis on which Refinitiv currently reports its financial performance. For instance, Refinitiv must apply specific purchase accounting rules, which were usually not applicable before the closing. Also, Refinitiv's management team uses slightly different definitions to calculate its non [inaudible] metrics. So, what you see in this table are the results as provided by Refinitiv's management, calculated on a basis consistent with the way Refinitiv discussed its performance during their debt workshop.

Now, to the results for the first quarter. Refinitiv revenue, before currency, were up 3% in the first quarter to $1.6 billion. Recurring revenues, excluding recoveries, grew 2%, and continued market volatility led to a 6% growth in transaction revenues. Adjusted EBITDA of $557 million excludes the transformation cost of $97 million incurred in the quarter. On that basis, the adjusted EBITDA margin was 35.5%. Free cash flow for the first quarter was negative $341 million. Debt outstanding was $12.9 billion, and the preferred equity outstanding was about $1.1 billion.

Now, lastly, Refinitiv achieved run rate savings of $350 million as of the end of the first quarter. So, the company is very much on track to achieve its run rate target of $650 million by the end of 2020, and it actually expects to achieve over two-thirds of this target by the end of this year.

Now, let me turn to our earnings per share and free cash flow performance, and I will also update you on our expectations for corporate costs. So, starting with our earnings per share, adjusted EPS increased by $0.08 to $0.36 per share, which was the result of fewer shares outstanding and lower interest expense following our debt repayments in 2018 when we used part of the Refinitiv transaction proceeds. The EPS increase was partially upset by lower EBITDA due to stranded cost, onetime cost, as well as higher income taxes, which was very much in line with what we had projected in the guidance we provided earlier this year. Finally, currency had a $0.01 positive impact on EPS during the quarter.

Now, turning to our free cash flow performance for the first quarter, our reported free cash flow was negative $177 million versus a positive $120 million in the prior year period. So, that was a decline of about $300 million. Consistent with what we did in previous quarters, this slide will hopefully help you better assess the destroying factors impacting our free cash flow performance during the first quarter.

Working from the bottom of the page upwards, the Refinitiv-related component of free cash flow was down $148 million from the prior year, and that was primarily due to Refinitiv no longer being included in our results. Also, in the first quarter, we made a pension contribution of about $170 million and some other payments all related to the Refinitiv separation. Comparable free cash flow from continuing operations was, therefore, $159 million, which was an improvement of $129 million over the prior year period, and that was primarily driven by stronger underlying EBITDA performance, lower interest expense, and also some capex timing.

Now, a quick update on corporate costs for 2019 and 2020. Let me start by saying that none of the annual estimates have changed from what we showed you last quarter of both years. Spend, during the first quarter, was a bit lower than we had expected at $142 million, and that was primarily timing related. We expect onetime spend to pick up over the balance of the year, driving corporate costs to equality peak of about $170 to $180 million in the second quarter. For the full year, we continue to expect to spend about $570 million. Again, no change to the full-year estimate. We also continue to expect corporate costs to decline and to range between $140 and $190 million next year.

Finally, as you mentioned previously, we are reaffirming a full-year 2019 and 2020 outlook based on the strong start of the year. Let me, now, turn it back over to Frank as we will be pleased to answer any questions you might.

Frank Golden -- Senior Vice President of Investor Relations

Terrific. Thanks very much, Stephane and Jim, and, now, operator, we'd like to open the call for questions, please. So, the first question.

Questions and Answers:

Operator

Thank you. The first question is the line of Toni Kaplan with Morgan Stanley. Please, go ahead.

Toni Kaplan -- Morgan Stanley -- Executive Director, Equity Research

Thank you. Good morning.

Jim Smith -- Chief Executive Officer

Good morning.

Stephane Bello -- Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Good morning.

Toni Kaplan -- Morgan Stanley -- Executive Director, Equity Research

The legal professional's margin of 38% was far better than what I was expecting. You mentioned the drivers, scale, efficiencies, and timing. Could you just give us a sense of, how much is timing? Is that gonna impact the second-quarter margins negatively? Or how should we just be thinking about the sustainable margin level in that segment? Thanks.

Stephane Bello -- Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

I would say there were definitely some timing elements in the first-quarter margin of the legal segment, Toni. Also, remember, the legal business is now smaller than it used to be, so there's probably timing variance of a bigger impact on the quarterly performance. So, I wouldn't look at the first-quarter margin was what should be expected over the balance of the year. Nevertheless, as we said earlier, I would strongly expect a noticeable margin improvement on the year-over-year basis, and that will be driven primarily by revenue flow-through.

Toni Kaplan -- Morgan Stanley -- Executive Director, Equity Research

Thank you.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, just as a reminder, to place yourself in queue for a question press *1. Next, we'll go to the line of Drew McReynolds with RBC. Please, go ahead.

Drew McReynolds -- RBC -- Managing Director, Global Research, Telecommunications

Yeah, thanks very much. Good morning. On the transaction revenue performance in the first quarter, I think you walked through and flushed through the impact quite extensively. Just want to look at it from a bigger-picture perspective, Jim or Stephane. When you look at each of the components of that transaction revenue, is there any structural tailwind or headwind facing those buckets of revenue? Just trying to size up -- I know it's volatile from quarter to quarter, but size up whether those transaction revenues ultimately grow over a medium term. Thank you.

Jim Smith -- Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, Drew, thanks for the question. I think there are two primary drivers in there. One is just the services revenues that go along with big implementations like our Elite software systems. So, when a law firm changes out its time and billing system or upgrades its time and billing system, there are a lot of services that wrap around that, and that's completely dependent upon when we have those installations. I think, over time, that'll be a steady source of revenue which will be volatile, but it'll be steady as Elite continues to grow. And then there was the Legal Managed Services bit, which was outsourced work, helping law firms and corporations with things like due diligence, responding to regulatory requests -- that sort of stuff -- and that's a business which is a pure services business. It's a business that doesn't have the same kind of scalability characteristics as our other businesses, and it's a business that we're exiting. I think that would be the more, from our perspective, challenge of the businesses but the business that would fit better within EY, who is acquiring it, because they're experts at managing those kinds of businesses.

Drew McReynolds -- RBC -- Managing Director, Global Research, Telecommunications

Okay, thank you.

Stephane Bello -- Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Andrew, that business is about $40-$45 million in annual revenue, just for context.

Jim Smith -- Chief Executive Officer

Right, right. So, I think you'll see a gradual decline in the percentage of transaction revenues that will be there.

Drew McReynolds -- RBC -- Managing Director, Global Research, Telecommunications

Okay, appreciate that. Thank you.

Operator

Next, we go to a line of Vince Valentini with TD Securities. Please, go ahead.

Vince Valentini -- TD Securities, Inc. -- Managing Director

Yeah, thanks. Just trying to triangulate your guidance based on the pretty healthy EBITDA here in Q1 but then those assets that we're just talking about. Do you think you're now trending toward the high end of the $1.4 to $1.5 billion range, or are these timing issues you've talked about significant enough to detract from EBITDA growth in future quarters? As part of this answer, have you given us, or can you give us, some ballpark on how much revenue and EBITDA goes out the door with Pangea?

Stephane Bello -- Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Sure. Let me try to address the second question first. The [inaudible] of our Legal Managed Service business should not have a big impact on margin. If anything, it may be slightly positive, but very, very minor things. Now, with regard to the EBITDA, we are encouraged, obviously, by the performance of the first quarter, but we still have three quarter to go, so it's a bit early to do anything with regard to organic. I would say we are looking at a number of initiatives, which, hopefully, can help us really turbocharge our growth. And so, if there is an opportunity to fund some of these initiatives in 2019, I think, if we have to make a trade-off, we'll definitely make a trade-off in favor of initiatives which should help us do better in 2020/2021 even if, as a result of that, we don't significantly exceed our 2019 EBITDA guidance.

Jim Smith -- Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, let me just reiterate and reinforce and underline what Stephane just said. We've said, for a long time, we'd always trade a point of margin for a point of growth any day. What we're looking at now, we're in fortunate position of actually being a little ahead of our expectation to our Q1, and we're gonna actively manage that throughout the year to say, if we continue to see the kind of over-performance we've seen in Q1, are we better off to take that to the bottom line, or are we better off to invest that in initiatives that we believe will pay off with top-line growth in the future? So, we're gonna be managing it very dynamically. If we're convinced we can spend on things that will drive growth while still delivering on our commitments, we'll do that. If we don't, we'll take the over-performance to the bottom line.

Vince Valentini -- TD Securities, Inc. -- Managing Director

Thanks.

Operator

Next, we'll move to the line of Aravinda Galappatthige with Canaccord Genuity. Please, go ahead.

Aravinda Galappatthige -- Canaccord Genuity -- Managing Director, Institutional Equity Research

Thanks for taking my question. For Stephane, with respect to the earlier question about legal margins, I know that, last year, there was some spend around Westlaw Edge. I'm trying to remember what the cadence of that was through the year, and I was wondering if that is assisting the sharp growth that we're seeing in legal professionals EBITDA margins. I was wondering if you can speak to that, and, to that point, I was wondering if you could give a little bit more color on the development of Westlaw Edge in terms of the take-up. How's that tracking, what are the expectations and, also, the reception from customers? Are they happy with the features? Are they asking for more? Just a little bit more color around how that material could be down the road. Thank you.

Stephane Bello -- Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Sure, and thank you for your question. In response to your first question, I would say, yes, probably. If you look at the year-over-year improvement, some of that was driven by some of the marketing expenses linked to Westlaw Edge. If you look at the margin of our legal business last year, Q1 was actually the low point. So, I think that what you're saying is right. This being said, if you look at the absolute performance of our EBITDA, this year, it's one of the highest margins this has done, so it's more than just the absence of the Westlaw Edge marketing expense. It's a really good underlying performance that is shining through the margin there.

In terms of your second question of Westlaw Edge, it's a really good question. Remember, Westlaw Edge is not what I would refer to as a static product. We will introduce new modules as the year goes by. Actually, we have a pretty exciting module that we are planning to introduce in the coming weeks. I think it's going to be well received. And, going forward, I think that's what you should expect to see from Westlaw Edge, continuous improvement in that product to make it increasingly attractive to our customer base.

Aravinda Galappatthige -- Canaccord Genuity -- Managing Director, Institutional Equity Research

Thank you.

Operator

Next, over to the line of Andrew Steinerman with JPMorgan. Please, go ahead.

Andrew Steinerman -- JPMorgan -- Analyst

Hi, it's Andrew. I have two questions. The first is on disposals. Are there plans or prospects to dispose of other non-core businesses, like Pangea, and, if that was done this year, would it affect the revenue guidance? Are they notable enough in terms of revenues to affect the guidance? The second one, Stephane, you probably feel like you just answered this question. I'm gonna ask the corporate costs question a little bit differently. I truly get it. If corporate costs come in lower than expected, you wanna reinvest it, but I'm just asking why corporate costs have come in lower than expected in the first quarter but you still expect corporate costs, for the full year, to be that $750 million level. Could you give us some sense of the types of costs within corporate costs that should build from here during 2019?

Stephane Bello -- Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Sure. Thank you, Andrew. Let me start with the second question. When Jim and I were talking about potentially using the better performance in profitability to fund some growth initiatives, we were not just referring to corporate costs. We were referring to the overall better EBITDA performance, which is coming, very much, from the businesses, I would say, more than from the corporate costs. What happened, with regard to corporate costs, is onetime costs are, sometimes, pretty hard to predict exactly in which quarter it's gonna fall. We think that the guidance we've given you in terms of what's gonna happen the first half versus the second half is still pretty much accurate, which means we're seeing higher corporate costs, one-time costs primarily, in the second quarter versus the first quarter by the tune of like $30 to $40 million higher, probably, in Q1 versus Q1. As I said, that should really be the peak because, from there on, you should start seeing these onetime costs to start being less and less as we progress through the year. We don't really speak about it a lot, but there's a number of very small businesses that we have or are in the process of divesting in addition to what we call our Legal Managed Service, or Pangea, as you refer to it. I would say, in aggregate, these may be to the tune of, maybe, $25 million in annual revenues. So, that's gonna happen over the course of the year. There was some impact of that in our Q2 results, pretty minor on the quarterly basis given that, as I said, in aggregate, these quarterly [inaudible] are about $25 million, or so, for the full year.

Andrew Steinerman -- JPMorgan -- Analyst

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Next, we go to the line of Manav Patnaik with Barclays. Please, go ahead.

Manav Patnaik -- Barclays -- Analyst

Yeah, good morning. I also have a two-parter. The first one is just on Westlaw, to follow up. I think, at investor day -- and Westlaw Edge, specifically, I guess. At investor day, you had given us some stats on 1,500 new sales or up-sales in the first -- I forget how many weeks. I was hoping you could give us a little bit more update there. And then it sounds like, organically, there's a lot of innovation happening, and that should help you lift your organic growth. With that in mind, is M&A still very much in your agenda, or can we expect to see some of that cash that you've stocked up in buy-backs or some other form?

Jim Smith -- Chief Executive Officer

Sure. Let me dive in there. Again, with the caveat that Stephane gave in the earlier answer, this is now Westlaw Edge replacing earlier products. It's not some kind of forced migration. These are actually new tools and a new platform. It's a new platform with all kinds of new tools that we'll be adding to over time. If you look at it, we're over 3,000 in sales now, which is solid growth in our large law firm customers and, frankly, surprisingly good uptake among some small law firm customers. So, we're gonna continue to grow that. If you looked at it, about 75% of the sales have come to our existing customers, and 28% of those sales are new customers, and those new customers are primarily in small law firm areas.

So, really good uptake there and really good price realization there, and we're quite happy with how that product's come out. We're also happy with what we've learned, the reaction that we're getting from our clients and then the ability to do Westlaw Edge-like analytics in other areas for other customer sets that we serve. It is a really encouraging experience we've had with Westlaw Edge.

As it comes to supplementing that increasing organic growth with acquisitions, we're still looking at it very hard and with a keen eye. We're looking, again, not to plug gaps in today's offerings. We feel quite confident in our offerings today. But looking for capabilities that our customers might need in future years, and, to the extent we can make acquisitions that support the growth story and provide tools to our clients that they're gonna need in the future, we'll take a long hard look at them.

I would just say, in order for us to pull the trigger on an acquisition, it's gonna have to meet two criteria. One, it's gonna have to be strategically right on point. Two, it's gonna have to make financial sense, and it's gotta be both of those things. So, frankly, we're working really hard. We've analyzed the market. We know the opportunities that we want to explore, and we are actively exploring those now. The difficulty in predicting M&A is that it requires a willing buyer and a willing seller at an agreed upon price that makes sense to both. We're in that process right now, and you just have to play the game on the field and see where it comes out.

Operator

And, next, we'll move on to the line of George Tong with Goldman Sachs. Please, go ahead.

George Tong -- Goldman Sachs -- Analyst

Hi. Thanks. Good morning. I'd also like to ask about the strong EBITDA margin performance in the legal business. One of the drivers you'd listed was flow-through from strong recurring revenues. Many of your other segments also had strong recurring revenue performance this quarter. So, the question is, do you see similar margin expansion opportunity in your other segments, and how would you frame your longer-term EBITDA margin targets for the legal, corporates, and tax segments?

Stephane Bello -- Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Yes. Good morning, George. I would say we see very similar dynamics in our other segments. There was visible strong flow-through, also, in our tax professionals. It was less apparent in our corporate segments because of the Integration Point acquisition, but just having the margin, essentially, flat year on year despite the acquisitions should give you an indication that the underlying margin was also seeing good flow-through. In terms of long-term margin targets, we don't really have targets in terms of margins for each of our segments.

As Jim always says, what we seek to deliver is the maximum growth of free cash flow in each of these segments. That's really what we focused on. It's always a trade-off between -- you achieve that by trying to push the revenue line or due to that by letting more of the flow-through fall to the bottom line. And, really, that's the trade-off that we are looking at every day. As we always said, with the organic growth rate north of 3% now, that's where you start seeing operating leverages from these businesses, and it was rewarding to see that really shining through in the first quarter.

George Tong -- Goldman Sachs -- Analyst

Got it. Thank you.

Jim Smith -- Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, and, just to add to that, the thing that encouraged us most was that the growth was driven in those subscription-based recurring revenue businesses, which are the stickiest of our businesses and the most profitable of our businesses.

George Tong -- Goldman Sachs -- Analyst

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Next, we go to the line of David Ridley-Lane with Bank of America. Please, go ahead.

David Ridely Lane -- Bank of America -- Analyst

Morning. I wanted to check in on the digital sales channel. At the analyst day, you spoke out about investments you're making there, building up a digital channel, working to reach some of your smaller prospects and current customers. So, I did wanna check in on the progress that you've made so far.

Jim Smith -- Chief Executive Officer

Sure. We're making really good progress there, specific progress in building out the tools that we need to help reach out to them. I think we've seen a pretty marked increase in the number of our customers who are renewing their contracts with us fully online and the prospecting and assistance that we're providing to our salesforces. So, it's early days, and we're focused on building the tools to do it better, but the uptake, frankly, particularly on the ability to renew and the uptake of that from our clients, is actually, probably, ahead of what we would've expected, and I would call it particularly in the small law firms base.

Operator

And, next, we'll move to the line of Doug Arthur with Huber Research. Please, go ahead.

Doug Arthur -- Huber Research -- Managing Director

Yeah. Just a quick question on share repurchase plans. Jim, if acquisitions, big or small, do not meet your criteria in 2019, given your pretty strong net debt position -- it's under $1 billion, I think, right now -- would you consider accelerating share repurchase activity, I guess, is the question?

Jim Smith -- Chief Executive Officer

I'm sure we would. These are early days of exploring the opportunities for how we're going to deploy that capital. As the year moves on and we see what the likelihood is of finding effective ways to deploy that through acquisition, we'll have a conversation with our board, and we'll make that decision at that time. I mean, obviously, we're not gonna sit -- with the net debt position that we're in right now, we're not gonna sit with $2 billion cash on the balance sheet looking for something to do with it. We'll find a way to put it to work one way or the other, but we just need to complete our analysis of, how effectively are we gonna be able to spend it on acquisitions?

Doug Arthur -- Huber Research -- Managing Director

Got it. Okay, thank you.

Jim Smith -- Chief Executive Officer

Think we'll take one more question, please, operator.

Operator

Very good. It's the line of Tim Casey with BMO. Please, go ahead.

Tim Casey -- BMO -- Analyst

Jim, at the analyst day, you talked about cross-sale and up-sale as key components to drive organic growth. What's the update there? Is any of that in the numbers yet, or is that still to come given it'll probably take some time to really drive those things? Thanks.

Jim Smith -- Chief Executive Officer

Tim, it's a great point. I actually think there's a lot of future potential there, and I think there's probably some element of that flowing through toward the end of the quarter. But if you think about it, we just got the new sales teams together, up and firing at the beginning of the year, and we're building the tools that will help and giving our salespeople the visibility into how that's working. We are seeing some increase in cross-sale and up-sale. We have targets in each unit. But right now, we're still building some tools to help analyze that in a more real-time fashion. So, we're gonna have to do more analysis around that manually for the time being.

I would say, though, that, if you look at what we're doing to enable the salesforces, we'll have three-quarters of the company on one instance of salesforce.com. By the end of this year, we'll be well over 85% of the company on one instance in the first quarter of next year. So, we're now getting the tools to have the kind of real-time visibility into those activities. I have spent more time with our salespeople and with our customers this year than I have in a long time, and I can tell you that the sales teams are excited about it as a new opportunity and that the clients really like the ability to deal with us holistically in a more integrated way. I still have a lot of hope, and this is one of the key levers that we expect to use to drive increasing organic growth in the future, and I think it's early days there, and there's a lot of upside there.

Tim Casey -- BMO -- Analyst

Thank you.

Frank Golden -- Senior Vice President of Investor Relations

Terrific. Thanks, Jim and Stephane, and thanks, you all, for joining us for our first-quarter call. That'll conclude the call, and we look forward to speaking to you again in August. Have a good day.

Operator

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Duration: 50 minutes

Call participants:

Frank Golden -- Senior Vice President of Investor Relations

Jim Smith -- Chief Executive Officer

Stephane Bello -- Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Toni Kaplan -- Morgan Stanley -- Executive Director, Equity Research

Drew McReynolds -- RBC -- Managing Director, Global Research, Telecommunications

Vince Valentini -- TD Securities, Inc. -- Managing Director

Aravinda Galappatthige -- Canaccord Genuity -- Managing Director, Institutional Equity Research

Andrew Steinerman -- JPMorgan -- Analyst

Manav Patnaik -- Barclays -- Analyst

George Tong -- Goldman Sachs -- Analyst

David Ridely Lane -- Bank of America -- Analyst

Doug Arthur -- Huber Research -- Managing Director

Tim Casey -- BMO -- Analyst

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