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Intuit Corp (NASDAQ:INTU)
Q3 2019 Earnings Call
May 23, 2019, 4:30 p.m. ET

Contents:

  • Prepared Remarks
  • Questions and Answers
  • Call Participants

Prepared Remarks:

Operator

Good afternoon. My name is Deron, and I will be your conference facilitator. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to Intuit's Third Quarter Fiscal Year 2019 Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question-and-answer period. (Operator Instructions)

With that, I'll now turn the call over to Jerry Natoli, Intuit's Vice President of Finance and Treasurer. Mr. Natoli, the floor is yours.

Jerry Natoli -- Vice President of Corporate Finance and Treasurer

Thank you, Deron. Good afternoon, and welcome to Intuit's third quarter fiscal 2019 conference call. I'm here with Intuit's CEO, Sasan Goodarzi; and Michelle Clatterbuck, our CFO.

Before we start, I'd like to remind everyone that our remarks will include forward-looking statements. There are a number of factors that could cause Intuit's results to differ materially from our expectations. You can learn more about these risks in the press release we issued earlier this afternoon, our Form 10-K for fiscal 2018, and our other SEC filings. All of those documents are available on the Investor Relations page of Intuit's website at intuit.com. We assume no obligation to update any forward-looking statement.

Some of the numbers in these remarks are presented on a non-GAAP basis. We've reconciled the comparable GAAP and non-GAAP numbers in today's press release. Unless otherwise noted, all growth rates refer to the current period versus the comparable prior-year period, and the business metrics and associated growth rates refer to worldwide business metrics. A copy of our prepared remarks and supplemental financial information will be available on our website after this call ends.

With that, I'll turn the call over to Sasan.

Sasan Goodarzi -- Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, Jerry, and thanks everyone for joining us. We had a great third quarter and we are on track to exceed the guidance we provided at the beginning of the year. We are seeing momentum across every part of the Company, and as a result we are raising our revenue, operating income and earnings per share guidance for fiscal year 2019.

During the third quarter, total revenue grew 12% overall, fueled by 10% revenue growth in the Consumer Group and 19% revenue growth in the Small Business and Self- Employed Group. With that context, let me start with the Consumer Group.

We had a great tax season. We grew the DIY category and grew our share within the category driven by our innovation and significantly improved customer experiences. We produced our most robust free offering yet and made significant progress in our effort to transform the assisted category. As we've communicated, there are four primary drivers in our Consumer business. At first, the total number of returns filed with the IRS. The latest IRS data indicates total returns were up 0.2% through May 10th, below historical trends and our own expectation of 1% to 2% growth. The second is the percentage of those returns filed using do-it-yourself software. Category share grew over a point, the fastest pace since 2016, once again outpacing the assisted tax prep category. We are very pleased with this outcome. As a reminder, DIY category growth is our largest revenue growth lever. The third driver is our share within DIY. We estimate our TurboTax Online share grew half a point. The fourth is our average revenue per return, which increased again this season. The growth reflects a stronger contribution by TurboTax Live, improved attach and tuned product line-up adjusted for the new tax legislation. These items were partly offset by deliberate decisions we made to improve the experience for customers with simple returns, including year-over-year data transfer for no charge and extending free state filings for the entire season. This season we had more customers than ever before paying nothing. We grew this customer group in the high-teens, above total unit growth of 5%.

We are confident these were the right strategic decisions to drive durable growth especially as we look for ways to help our customers make ends meet going beyond taxes. Our commitment to provide a robust free offering has resulted in more than 55 million TurboTax customers who paid nothing for their TurboTax experience over the last five years. As I have shared before, our Consumer Group strategy is to expand our lead in the DIY category, transform the assisted tax preparation category and disrupt traditional consumer finance by expanding beyond tax to build a consumer platform. This is all in service to helping our customers make ends meet and maximize their tax refund.

We made significant progress against these strategic objectives this season: Within DIY, we saw evidence that the bold changes we made to improve the experience for customers who file simple returns resonated. These changes drove a six-point improvement in product recommendation scores for the free offering and contributed to higher retention. We're transforming the assisted tax customer experience by connecting people to experts on our platform with TurboTax Live. We introduced a range of price points within the product line this season to offer access to an expert for even the simplest returns.

After just two years, TurboTax Live is now a meaningful contributor to our business, and this product line is among the fastest ever to reach this revenue level. The number of customers using TurboTax Live more than tripled year-over-year. We estimate 70% of customers who were new to Intuit this season and used TurboTax Live came from the assisted method the prior year, higher than TurboTax Online. And for the approximately 2,000 pros on our platform, we improved the onboarding experience and technology tools, resulting in lower attrition and improved operating efficiencies through the season compared to last year.

TurboTax now has approximately 28% share of total individual returns, leaving us with a large addressable market. Beyond tax, our consumer platform is aimed at helping customers unlock smart money decisions by connecting them to financial products to help make ends meet. As we learn about their financial lives, we can notify them of benefits that can save them money. We now have over 14 million customers registered for Turbo, up from 5 million last season. We have approximately 70 offers this season focusing on four verticals, including credit cards, lending, investing and mortgages. We continue to test different benefits and monetization models. While we don't expect a significant contribution to revenue in the near-term, we're making progress and continue to be excited about this opportunity. In summary, I'm proud of what the team delivered across our consumer offerings.

Now let me turn to Small Business. We delivered another strong quarter in our Small Business and Self-Employed Group with Online Ecosystem revenue growth of 38%, again exceeding our target to grow better than 30%. We continue to place an increased emphasis on online services to deliver more value for our customers by solving their biggest pain points. We're working to achieve our vision of being the center of small business growth by helping our customers get paid fast, manage capital and pay employees with confidence.

Earlier this year, we launched next business-day payments allowing our customers to receive their funds much faster than previously experienced. QuickBooks Capital has funded $360 million in cumulative loans since launching about a year and a half ago. Finally, we remain encouraged by our early progress with QuickBooks Online Advanced, designed to disrupt the mid-market by addressing the needs of mid-market small business customers with 10 to 100 employees. Within our Strategic Partner Group, our professional tax revenue is on track to grow 4% for fiscal year 2019. That's the high end of our initial range for this segment. To wrap this section up, we are very pleased with our results.

Now let me shift to a different topic. You may have heard assertions that Intuit engaged in practices designed to discourage consumers from filing their taxes for free. These assertions have come in several forms, and I want to address them directly. We stand behind our marketing actions as being both appropriate and consistent with our core value-integrity without compromise.

In addition, any suggestion that Intuit does not support the IRS Free File Program is wrong. In fact, we are proud that for nearly two decades millions of Americans have used TurboTax's Free File Program to file their taxes without paying. Our commitment to free dates back to 1998, when we launched a program to offer free tax preparation software and e-filing services to lower income and active-duty military taxpayers. In 2002, the entire tax software industry and the IRS formed the IRS Free File Program, modeled after our initiative. As a founding member, we are committed to IRS Free File's shared goals of public service and providing free tax filing to those who need it most, as we have for nearly twenty years. As I mentioned earlier, we have more than 55 million TurboTax customers who paid nothing for their TurboTax experience over the last five years.

Thank you and now let me hand it over to Michelle to walk you through the financial details.

Michelle Clatterbuck -- Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer

Thanks, Sasan. Good afternoon, everyone. For the third quarter of fiscal 2019, we delivered revenue of $3.3 billion, up 12% year-over-year. GAAP operating income of $1.8 billion versus $1.6 billion a year ago, an 11% increase. Non-GAAP operating income of $1.9 billion versus $1.7 billion last year, an 11% increase. GAAP diluted earnings per share of $5.22, versus $4.53 a year ago, a 15% increase. And non-GAAP diluted earnings per share of $5.55, up from $4.78 last year, a 16% increase.

Turning to the business segments. Consumer Group revenue grew 10% in the fiscal third quarter. TurboTax Online units grew 7% this season, while overall units increased 5%. We significantly improved the experience within TurboTax Live this season, not only for the customers who used this platform, but also for the tax pros providing tax advice. The improvements we put in place increased pro NPS by more than 50% versus a year ago and created operational efficiencies. These include a 30% reduction in pro attrition and improvements in the pro portal that drove a 30% increase in time spent serving customers this season versus last year. We are excited to continue scaling this business in the future. We also offered TurboTax Self-Employed customers the opportunity to benefit from tracking their financials throughout the year in QuickBooks Self-Employed. TurboTax Self-Employed product recommendation scores tied TurboTax Live for the highest score among our paid offerings.

Turning to the Strategic Partner Group. We reported $235 million of professional tax revenue for the third quarter, up 4% year-to-date. In Small Business, total Small Business and Self-Employed revenue grew 19% during the quarter. Online Ecosystem revenue remains strong, with growth of 38%. We believe the best measure of the health and success of our strategy going forward is Online Ecosystem revenue growth, which we continue to expect to grow better than 30%. Online Services year-over-year growth slowed this quarter compared to the prior four quarters, this was primarily a function of lapping the Tsheets acquisition a year ago.

QuickBooks Online subscribers grew 32%, ending the quarter with over 4.2 million subscribers. Growth remains strong across multiple geographies, with US subscribers growing 25% to over 3.1 million, and international subscribers growing 55% to over 1.1 million. Within QuickBooks Online, Self-Employed subscribers grew to approximately 970,000, up from roughly 680,000 one year ago. TurboTax was a significant channel for QuickBooks Self-Employed, and 440,000 subscribers have come through this channel, up from 330,000 last year. We continue to expect total subscriber growth to moderate as we place a greater focus on additional services and penetrating a broader range of customers.

Desktop Ecosystem revenue was up 4% in the third quarter. Our desktop units were up 12%, reflecting unusually strong renewals during the quarter. During fiscal 2019, we expect QuickBooks desktop units and Desktop Ecosystem revenue to be roughly flat. Within the Desktop Ecosystem, our QuickBooks Enterprise customers and revenue continued to grow at a double-digit pace in the third quarter. This further reinforces our interest in addressing the needs of mid-market small business customers with our QBO Advanced offering.

Turning to our financial principles. We remain committed to growing organic revenue double-digits, and growing operating income dollars faster than revenue. We take a disciplined approach to capital management, investing the cash we generate in opportunities that yield a return on investment greater than 15%. Our first priority for the cash we generate is investing in the business to drive customer and revenue growth. We consider acquisitions to accelerate our growth and fill out our product road map. We return excess cash that we can't invest profitably in the business to shareholders via both share repurchases and dividends.

We finished the quarter with $3.3 billion in cash and investments on our balance sheet. We repurchased $135 million of stock in the third quarter. Approximately $2.8 billion remains on our authorization and we expect to be in the market each quarter this year. The Board approved a quarterly dividend of $0.47 per share, payable July 18th, 2019. This represents a 21% increase versus last year.

Turning to guidance. Our fourth quarter fiscal 2019 guidance includes revenue growth of 10% to 12%, GAAP loss per share of $0.35 to $0.33, and non-GAAP loss per share of $0.16 to $0.14. We are also raising our fiscal 2019 guidance following strong performance the first three quarters of the year. Our new guidance includes revenue growth of 12%, up from prior guidance of 8% to 10% growth, GAAP diluted earnings per share of $5.72 to $5.74, and non-GAAP diluted earnings per share of $6.67 to $6.69. We now expect a GAAP tax rate of 18.5% for the fiscal 2019. You can find our Q4 and updated fiscal 2019 guidance details in our press release and on our fact sheet.

And with that, I'll turn it back over to Sasan.

Sasan Goodarzi -- Chief Executive Officer

Great. Thanks, Michelle. With that overview of the quarter, I'd like to remind you of the strategic objectives I covered last quarter starting with what matters most to our customers. All of our customers have a common set of needs. They are all trying to make ends meet, maximize their tax refund, save money and pay off debt. And those who've made the bold decision to become entrepreneurs and go into business for themselves, have an additional set of needs. They want to find and keep customers, get paid, access capital to grow and ensure their books are right. That's why our mission is to Power Prosperity Around the World and our strategy is the One Intuit Ecosystem, which focuses on unlocking the power of many for the prosperity of one.

The evolution of our strategy is to become an AI driven expert platform. This is about becoming an open, trusted and easy to build on platform where we and our partners solve the most pressing customer problems and deliver awesome experiences. It's about significantly accelerating our application of Artificial Intelligence, which progressively learns from the large data sets across the platform and accelerates speed to benefit to revolutionize the experience for our customers. And it's about solving the largest problem customers face, lack of confidence, by connecting them with experts on our platform, leading the digitization of the services industry.

Let me provide a few examples. When it comes to connecting people to experts, we are doing this today with TurboTax Live. Imagine the opportunity we have to expand live expertise across the platform to serve consumers, self-employed and small businesses in the areas of tax, bookkeeping and financial advice. For small business owners, we are focused on being the center of small business growth, using AI across our platform to accelerate faster funding in payments, and to help our customers access capital. Over time, we see an opportunity to better serve product-based businesses as they find and sell to customers across channels, transforming omni-channel commerce. We're also focused on helping customers make smart decisions with their money by connecting them to financial products that help put more money in their pockets. This is our vision for Turbo, where we are increasing active use and engagement leveraging the tax refund moment to connect customers on our platform to meaningful benefits.

Last but not least, we're focused on disrupting the mid-market with QBO Advanced. Our AI-driven expert platform will help provide what mid-market customers need at a disruptive price. We are making great progress and will have more to share with you in the coming quarters and at Investor Day. I want to thank our employees, customers and partners for another strong quarter.

Now let's open it up for questions.

Questions and Answers:

Operator

Thank you. (Operator Instructions) Your first question comes from the line of Keith Weiss from Morgan Stanley. Keith, you are now live.

Keith Weiss -- Morgan Stanley -- Analyst

Excellent. Thank you guys for taking the question and nice quarter. I want to touch on the sort of the tax business this quarter. And two kind of related questions. One, you talked about some of the actions I guess took during the quarter, the sort of free state for the entire period as well as free data transfer that push more people into the free category. Could you talk to, like what was the rationale behind it? What was it like the business reason for making those moves? Number one.

And number two, we have kind of read the press reports, and we've also seen some political sort of rhetoric answering to (inaudible) some senators sent to you today. Is there any reaction needed from that type of kind of political pressure? Is there any behavioral changes or anything you plan on doing differently in the TurboTax business in response to senators' pressure or sort of the pressure again from some state and local governments as well?

Sasan Goodarzi -- Chief Executive Officer

Great. Hi, Keith. Thank you for your question. Let me start with what matters most to our customers. And as you've heard us talk about, there are two things that matter most to our customers. One is helping them make ends meet and the other is helping them get the largest tax refund. In that context, there are three areas that we're focused on. One is, expanding our lead in the do-it-yourself category. It's about transforming the assisted category and it's actually disrupting consumer finance and going beyond tax.

In that context, our focus in essence expanding our lead in the do-it-yourself category has been to ensure that we have the best product experience. And so what we did this year was very much in line with our strategic approach, very durable, which is to deliver the best free offering this year through the year-over-year data transfer for free and also actually extending free for the whole year and including state. And we did that because it gives us the opportunity to really help those that are underserved and those that struggle with the income that they make, while at the same time helping transform the assisted category. This gives us the opportunity as we grow our customers to ultimately find ways to help them make ends meet through the offerings that we have in Turbo. So those were the drivers behind the decision and we're actually quite excited about seeing the results that we got, which is both customer growth and revenue growth. PRS is actually up over eight points, retention is up based on the decisions that we've made. So all in all, we feel very good about the decisions, and again, it's in context of our durable game plan.

I think the second thing that I would say is that we have been supporters of free, and in fact as I shared earlier, this dates back to 20 years ago. And with respect to, would we see any behavioral changes from us, our view is that our focus has been to actually grow the do-it-yourself category and expand our lead in the category, one element of it being through free. So we don't actually see our behaviors changing. We believe that we are focused on the right thing, which is delivering for our customers, and we'll continue to work on with industry and the IRS to see if there are ways that we can continue to improve the free fall program. But at the end of the day, our focus is our customers and we believe that everything that we've been doing is very durable and very much in line with what's most important to our customers and I actually have a lot of confidence in the actions that we're taking.

Keith Weiss -- Morgan Stanley -- Analyst

Excellent. That's really helpful. Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Brad Zelnick from Credit Suisse. Brad, your line is now open.

Brad Zelnick -- Credit Suisse -- Analyst

Great. Thank you so much and I echo the congrats on a great tax season. Sasan, with TurboTax Live units more than tripling, it seems like there was a lot of success there. And I know you shared some data points but can you maybe just expand a bit more on the mix within TurboTax Live in terms of net new versus customers coming over from the existing base and as well if you can comment on the changes in the tax code and expectations around trade up, trade down and new filers coming into the franchise. How did that play out versus expectations?

Sasan Goodarzi -- Chief Executive Officer

Hi, Brad, and thank you for your question. I think I'll just go back to where I started just a moment ago, which is every choice that we are making is very deliberate and based on what we saw this season that was really within our expectations. And our singular focus is to serve our customers and we want to do that through expanding our lead in the do-it-yourself category and we want to also do that from transforming the assisted category, and helping all of those customers with benefits that goes beyond taxes.

With that as context, we're very pleased with TurboTax Live performance this year, given that we in essence gave our customers the ability to pick TurboTax Live to any of the skews. Our customer growth tripled. 70% of those customers that came in, the new ones, were actually from the assisted category the prior year. For our pros, the net promoter was up 50%. They spent 30% more of their time serving customers this year compared to last year. So we're very pleased with our progress this year and we know exactly the areas to improve to actually accelerate our growth in this area next year.

As it relates to the tax code, as you well know, we are big supporters of tax simplification. We believe that it enables consumers to take more control over their financial life. It actually have a catalyst for the do-it-yourself category and we needed to change our lineup this year to ensure that we delivered for customers given the tax code changes. And in essence what we saw was all really within our expectations and we're very pleased with the performance for our customers, our PRS scores and the team did a wonderful job.

Brad Zelnick -- Credit Suisse -- Analyst

Thanks, Sasan. And if I can just squeeze one in there for Michelle, with consumer margin ticking down from prior Q3, and I know you've been fairly disciplined and consistent with how you think about acquisition costs and metrics like LTC (ph) impact. But can you just remind us especially with TurboTax Live coming into the mix, how you're thinking about acquisition cost and how we should think about the cost of delivering TPO this season and how we should really think about consumer margins going forward? Thank you.

Sasan Goodarzi -- Chief Executive Officer

So Brad, I do this to Michelle all the time in our meetings. So let me start and then I'm going to turn it over to Michelle. It's a great question and I know others have it on their mind. I want to go back to the evolution of our strategy, which is about being an AI driven expert platform. And this is about significantly accelerating our progress with a platform and an ecosystem. And when you think about a platform in an ecosystem, we are actually building more and more of our services to be able to serve all of our segments. The examples would be the services that we tilt (ph) across our ecosystem for TurboTax Live, for QuickBooks Live, for cybersecurity, the data sciences that we hire that ultimately fuels our machine learning engine that drives our AI benefits for our customers. Those are all at the Company level, which is why we always talk about we manage the margins at the Company level and therefore that's really what's important for you all to pay attention to. Specifically in the Consumer Group, our year-to-date margins are actually pretty much flat with last year. So we're actually quite pleased with the progress. I don't know if I left anything for you to answer, but...

Michelle Clatterbuck -- Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer

The only thing I would add to that Brad is that when we look at the consumer margins specifically, there have been a number of questions just around TurboTax Live and how we think about that. We were able to grow the customers 3x this year and yet we had pretty much the same number of pros, the 2,000 pros that we had last year. So that just demonstrates some of the efficiencies that I spoke about earlier and the operational efficiencies and being able to increase the customer serving time of our pros by 30%. So we actually like the incremental margins that we're seeing for this offering and we are looking -- when we look forward, we're focused on opportunities here like automation and augmented intelligence, all of these things to look for ways to continue to make the agents as efficient as possible and also to continue to streamline the onboarding process.

Brad Zelnick -- Credit Suisse -- Analyst

Thank you so much.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Kirk Materne from Evercore ISI. Kirk, your next line is now open.

Kirk Materne -- Evercore ISI -- Analyst

Thanks very much. Sasan, I want to just double click a little bit on your commentary around the platform, the expert platform powered by AI. Clearly, we've seen some of the benefits of that TurboTax Live. There's been some discussion on the website about QuickBooks Live and you guys testing that out and I just kind of wondering how we should think about the evolution on certain small business side around that narrative and I know you're not going to give us any data points now possibly, but what should the expecting for you perhaps at the Analyst Day or just give us some idea about how we can kind of hold you guys or what we should expect for you all around the development of this narrative?

Sasan Goodarzi -- Chief Executive Officer

Great question. Thank you, Kirk. A couple of things, I would say. One is, we think about this opportunity starting with much most important to our customers. And the biggest challenge that our customers says, Consumers Self-Employed and Small Businesses is confidence. In fact, you've heard us talk over the years around the opportunity around non-consumption. One of the drivers as to why people don't switch is because they're looking to interact with a human being to help them, do their taxes, their bookkeeping and advice. On the other side, we've got enrolled agents, pros and accountants that only serve customers within maybe a 10 to 50 mile radius max and they don't like marketing and they don't like pursuing customers. And we believe that this informs a huge strategic opportunity we have to connect people to experts, to really go after non-consumption, to help our customers make ends meet, to help them run their business and be successful.

So I wanted to start there because not only are we in the very early innings of TurboTax Live and the opportunity that we have to transform the assisted category, that same opportunity exists when it comes to helping small businesses, get started and run their business. And we've been one leveraging the same common services that we've built over the years for TurboTax Live to significantly accelerate building out QuickBooks Live. And we've been testing our QuickBooks Live over the last many months and what we've learned is very consistent with what we've learned from consumers that are trying to do their taxes. They're looking for ways to get started and get set up.

Some are actually looking for advice of, I have payroll due on Friday, am I going to be able to make my payroll. What advice do you have for me? Some actually want the bookkeeper to actually take all their information, all their documents and set QuickBooks up for them and then give them advice. So we're learning a variety of things and we believe that the opportunity is significant for our customers and the ARPU is actually quite significant, because the benefit is there.

I would say on the other side as we've been talking to enrolled agents, accountants and pros, once they understand what we're trying to do, they are very excited about this opportunity, because they see it as an opportunity to be able to grow their business but do it through focusing on what matters most to them versus marketing. And so the way we want all of you to think about this is, this is a big opportunity for us to connect people to experts on our platform to go after Consumers, Self-Employed and Small Businesses and fundamentally digitize the services industry and build advantage across the Company.

Kirk Materne -- Evercore ISI -- Analyst

That's really helpful. And if I could just sneak in one for Michelle sort of related on the topic. As we think about sort of the need for you guys to build out more AI services below this platform. I assume there's advantages for you all to work with AWS on that where you can sort of leverage them as well as people on your side to -- so that narrative around growing operating income faster than revenue or even as to get this platform narrative unfolds over the next couple of years? Thanks.

Michelle Clatterbuck -- Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer

Thanks. Thanks for the question. Yes, I mean, when we talk about our financial principles, I would start there and those really are truly durable and we are committed to the growing organic revenue double digits and the operating income dollars faster than revenue as you mentioned. When you think specifically about something like the expert platform AI services on that, yes, we have employed and continue to employ as we talked about it at Investor Day, a number of data scientists who are coming in to really help us continue to develop this critical capability. AWS is absolutely a key partner with us. We've moved all of our customer facing apps to it already. We're continuing to move some of the back-end stuff and we expect that to take maybe another 18 months to 24 months. But they are absolutely a critical partner for us and we don't see that having an impact when we look at growing operating income.

Kirk Materne -- Evercore ISI -- Analyst

Perfect. Thank you so much.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Scott Schneeberger from Oppenheimer. Scott, you are now live. Scott Schneeberger, your line is now live.

Scott Schneeberger -- Oppenheimer -- Analyst

Thank you. Can you hear me?

Sasan Goodarzi -- Chief Executive Officer

Yes.

Scott Schneeberger -- Oppenheimer -- Analyst

Thanks. Good afternoon, everyone. The -- Congratulations on the quarter. The -- I want to ask in the Consumer segment. Your margin, someone asked earlier it was a little lighter than expected in third, but Michelle you pointed out that year-to-date it was about on track with last year. So my question is somewhat to the extent you could speak to, this year you marketed TurboTax Live in the early season but you hadn't in the early season last year. You also had the four tiers of pricing in TurboTax Live this year, so is there anything a unique or interesting about that that had an impact? And if you could elaborate a little bit on what you saw introducing the four tiers year-over-year versus last year? Thanks.

Michelle Clatterbuck -- Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer

Okay. I'll start Sasan. Thank you, Scott. Thanks for the question. Actually, where I'm going to start is, if I step back and look at TurboTax Live, Sasan did mention earlier that this year we made a very deliberate decision to offer it across our lineup. It really then enabled folks from simple returns all the way up to very complex returns, to be able to have a access to experts to really get the confidence they need to go through their tax filing situation. So with that, we believe that that's absolutely the right thing for us to do and the right strategic decision. We didn't see a lower ARPC in that. But we believe that long-term with the opportunity that we have at TurboTax Live that that's the right thing to do for our customers.

If I think back to just margins overall, we did talk about the consumer margins earlier. When I think about just CG margins in total, there we have marketed TurboTax Live this year at the very beginning of the season and we didn't do that last year. But we are continually making decisions around marketing decisions and where we apply marketing dollars and how we do that throughout the tax season. So there really wasn't anything dramatically different this year that would have impacted our margins. But once again, I would tell you I wouldn't focus overly on Consumer Group margin. We really do manage the margins at the total Company level on an annual basis, and so, I really wouldn't get too hung up on what happened in the beginning of season or end of season or between and among supporters, I really would look more from a Company standpoint on an annual basis.

Scott Schneeberger -- Oppenheimer -- Analyst

Thanks. Understood. Yeah, and certainly small business margins were impressive on a year-over-year basis. My follow-up is, on the fourth quarter guide, it's of down $0.16 to $0.14 year-over-year. That's the lowest guide in the fourth quarter -- the last time we say performance of that low was fiscal '10. I'm just curious is there, what are the drivers, is it timing or is it something that's impacting that? Thanks.

Sasan Goodarzi -- Chief Executive Officer

Thanks for your question. We actually feel great about the momentum of the Company and the momentum of online revenue growth especially in small business because that's the majority of our revenue in the fourth quarter. So, in fact, as I look back to the years that you're comparing it, we've more momentum now than we did then. So I feel great about the momentum of the business, the innovation coming out of the Company and what we've guided.

The last thing I would say is, this could be comparing 606 to 605 accounting and we believe that's probably why you are comparing a set of numbers that may look odd, but in terms of what we're guiding to in the momentum, it's never been stronger.

Scott Schneeberger -- Oppenheimer -- Analyst

Great. Thanks very much.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Jennifer Lowe from UBS. Jennifer, the line is now open.

Jennifer Lowe -- UBS -- Analyst

Great. Maybe just a couple of quick ones for me. First, looking at the growth in online services, I know you mentioned that you're anniversarying the Tsheets acquisition, but even with that that was a pretty impressive growth number and it certainly looks like you're going to exit that inorganic benefit to get a higher growth rate than you were before that. Can you just talk a little bit about what are the levers that are really working within that segment? Is it payroll? Is it payments? Is it everything? Just any color there would be very helpful.

Sasan Goodarzi -- Chief Executive Officer

Hi, Jennifer. Thank you for your question. We're also very pleased with our online services growth. In fact, if you look back to where we are today versus about 18 months ago, the first quarter of our fiscal year '18, we more than doubled the growth rate. And really it's very focused on what's most important to our customers, which is helping them grow, helping them get paid, helping them get access to capital, helping them pay their employees. We really think about our customer problems and how we solve them in context of services, whether it's accounting services, whether it's payment services, whether it's payroll services, capital, time tracking and now expert services that we're going to be launching with QuickBooks Live. And so the direct answer to your question is, it's really all the services that we've been investing in and focusing on because they matter a lot to our customers that's contributing to the online services growth that you're seeing, it's not any one thing, it's all of them.

Jennifer Lowe -- UBS -- Analyst

Great. And then just a quick one. I know last year there was a lot of discussion around the first year of learning on the renewal rate of the Self-Employed users that came in through TurboTax attach. Now that we've got another year of history on that obviously, the aggregated numbers look very good but I'm curious as you sort of explore that cohort, just any additional insights on how the retention trended this year and how you think about that going forward? That's it for me.

Sasan Goodarzi -- Chief Executive Officer

Sure. Very good question. Let me make two different statements. One is, the reason we're excited about this whole notion of being an AI driven expert platform in context of the customer problems that I articulated, it's also about solving the interactions between customers on our platform. 40% of those that our Small Business is higher are actually Self-Employed. And so what we're solving for is to ensure that we can get as many customers on our platform as possible, because we find -- we have solved the particular pain point for them. And then solving the interactions between those customers on our platform seamlessly sort of becomes the place where they run their time, they run their business, they run their life. And so strategically, I want to make sure you knew why the Self-Employed segment is so important. It's not we don't just view it as a segment on its own. With that said, in terms of the renewal rates now that we're a couple of years in, it's in line with what we had assumed and of course at Investor Day we'll share more, but it's very much in line with what we had assumed.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Josh Beck from KeyBanc. Josh, your line is now open.

Josh Beck -- KeyBanc -- Analyst

Great. Thanks for taking the questions. Obviously, a really good success with TurboTax Live, more than tripling. I'm wondering if you look underneath it, the growth a little bit, could you talk about the retention in those live filers from the prior season and if they renewed that product skew?

Sasan Goodarzi -- Chief Executive Officer

Hi, Josh. Thank you for your question. What I would share is, one, as you said, we look at this as a $20 billion TAM opportunity, where there's a huge confidence problem to solve which is why we expanded across all of our skews. And we see it as an opportunity to get quick income for our pros and help them with their life. With that said, we love what we saw this year. As you said, three extra growth on customers, 70% of the new customers came from the assisted method the prior year and our NPS and net promoters that up until right, we of course at this point are not sharing the exact numbers that may be something that we share at Investor Day, but I think the takeaway you should have is on every dimension, customer growth, retention, NPS for both the customers that we serve and the experts that are on the platform serving our customers. Very proud of the improvements our team has made.

Josh Beck -- KeyBanc -- Analyst

Okay. That's very helpful. And then I also wanted to ask about the success that you had on the free side. When you look maybe more mid-term or long-term, does that in some ways increase the opportunity for monetizing Turbo. Was that maybe not the one of the opportunities you see down the road?

Sasan Goodarzi -- Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, the way to think about it is really around what's most important to our customers which is really about helping our customers make ends meet and helping them get the largest tax refund and just finding ways to help them reduce their debt and increase their savings. And so what -- when we think about free one, it's focused on a segment of the marketplace where we believe they deserve to do their taxes for free, and therefore why we significantly improved the experience this year to ensure that we deliver against the standards we expect of ourselves and they expect of us. It then gives us the opportunity through Turbo with the customer's consent to help connect them to benefits that matter most, because we are an agnostic platform. What we care most about is ensuring that they have an opportunity to get savings accounts at the highest rate that they -- if they're going to get a personal loan, it's at the best rate possible versus pushing our product. And that for us gets our heartbeats going faster, because it's squarely focused on the customer and what matters most. The opportunity is actually significant.

Just in the United States, consumers overpay in fees well over $60 billion plus and we have an opportunity to match them with products, financial products that are right for them at the lowest rates. And so we do see that as an opportunity to deliver for our customers and eventually a business opportunity.

Josh Beck -- KeyBanc -- Analyst

Okay. Thank you so much. Very helpful.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Sterling Auty from JPMorgan. Sterling, your line is now open.

Jackson Ader -- JP Morgan -- Analyst

Great. Thanks. This is Jackson Ader on for Sterling tonight. Thanks for taking our questions. The first one, Sasan, if you can just help us reconcile something, the 55 million users over the last five years that you said had paid nothing. How do we square that with the roughly $1.1 million -- $1.2 million free filing alliance users that you report on the fact sheet?

Sasan Goodarzi -- Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, Jackson. Thank you for -- thank you for your question. As I mentioned earlier, we have for the last 20 years supported customers that have certain income level and to be able to file for free. We do that directly with customers and we also do that through the IRS free file program. And that's something that the IRS has done a wonderful job setting up with the entire industry. And so the 55 million includes both the free offering directly to customers and the free file offering. That's all in one when you look at the 55 million over the last five years.

Jackson Ader -- JP Morgan -- Analyst

Understood. Okay. Thank you. Then a follow-up question, how many filers in the US do you believe qualify for free filing on an annual basis?

Sasan Goodarzi -- Chief Executive Officer

Our estimates is probably about over 100 million-ish or so. This is a figure that we've talked about for years that ultimately are eligible for free and our other estimate is probably 20 million to 25 million of them actually use free, because customers have choice and they decide if they want added benefits that goes beyond free but those are the the estimates that we have.

Jackson Ader -- JP Morgan -- Analyst

Understood. Thank you.

Sasan Goodarzi -- Chief Executive Officer

You're welcome.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Ken Wong from Guggenheim Securities. Ken, you are now live.

Ken Wong -- Guggenheim Securities -- Analyst

Great. Thanks for taking my question guys. Michelle, you guys mentioned that you had 30% increase in your TurboTax Live agent engagements, but also saw kind of no -- essentially no increase in the number of agents the actually processed those claims. How should we think about the capacity going forward? Is that something that you think you can still extract some incremental efficiencies or looking next year that's an area where you guys will probably have to staff up a little more?

Michelle Clatterbuck -- Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer

Hi, Ken. Thanks for the question. As we think about TurboTax Live, we continue to be very excited about the opportunity there. When we look at just the $20 billion opportunity in the assisted market and really helping customers have the confidence to file their tax returns and we do think it's a great opportunity. As you mentioned, we did see an improvement this year with 3x the customers and yet we had the same number of pros at 2,000. And so obviously we did have a couple of the operational efficiencies that we deliver this year. Going forward, we continue to look for ways to improve that experience. We want to make sure that we are helping pros get set up as easy as possible. So making that smooth as possible and continuing to look at the tools they use, how do we make those more efficient, really looking for ways to automate work for the pros and use augmented intelligence and the best way possible to help them with their interactions with the consumers.

Ken Wong -- Guggenheim Securities -- Analyst

Got it. And then Sasan, one of the goals -- or I guess a couple of the goals at the beginning of the year were to improve conversion at the top of funnel and then obviously increase retention as well. It sounds like retention improved to expectations. Any comments on how you guys did in terms of conversion at the top of funnel?

Sasan Goodarzi -- Chief Executive Officer

We'll look at sharing some of this at Investor Day, but I would tell you overall we're pleased on every market that matters.

Ken Wong -- Guggenheim Securities -- Analyst

Got it. Fantastic. Thanks a lot guys.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Brent Thill from Jefferies. Brent, your line is now open.

Brent Thill -- Jefferies -- Analyst

Thanks. Just on Quickbook. I think Michelle you said that strategic direction of how you're looking at the metrics is changing that. I think many have noticed the growth rate is materially decelerating. But we've also noted some price increases from the fall to now, I think you've raised prices on the central plus most prices. Can you just talk through this dynamic of the -- but also looking at price rises and how you're thinking about that as a whole?

Michelle Clatterbuck -- Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer

Hi, Brent. Yeah, thanks for the question. On QBO. So QBO saw this quarter were at 32% which is slightly down, but we still feel that that is a very strong number. We have continued to say that we expect the QBO subs growth to moderate. And when you really look at what is driving the health of small business, it is truly online ecosystem revenue. And that is continuing to be a strong growth rate of 38% this quarter. Just to pick up on your price comment, we always look at our price increases. We only have price increases that on any specific basis. We really love to continue to deliver the value for customers and we measure those very carefully. We never want to take a price increase that is then going to dramatically impact our customer retention. So, we look at those as we deliver more benefit to the customer and then we continue to watch on the retention side.

Brent Thill -- Jefferies -- Analyst

Thanks.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Raimo Lenschow from Barclays. Raimo, your line is now open.

Raimo Lenschow -- Barclays -- Analyst

Hey, thanks for squeezing me. So Sasan, can I ask about Turbo please. You mentioned the 14 million users there and the 70 offerings. Can you talk and kind of what they do, can you talk a little bit about what you're seeing there. Obviously there's other guys that kind of have that same business model. Is it more in the mortgage side, more in the credit card side like what are you seeing in terms of early trends there.

Sasan Goodarzi -- Chief Executive Officer

Hi, Raimo. Thanks for your question. So our singular focus is to help our customers make ends meet when it comes to our vision with Turbo. And with the customer's consent what we try to do is to learn what's most important to them and based on understanding their behaviors we will connect them to financial products that are right for them and remember we're very in the very early innings of really understanding and learning what's most important to them.

What's very differentiated for us is the customer is engaging with us at a very important moment which is the tax refund moment. And it's an opportunity for us to learn from them. What do you want to do with your money. Do you want to actually save more money, we will make offers such as, hey, you look like you have four credit cards, would you like to consolidate it to one personal loan that could save you X amount of dollars. And here's by the way what you can afford. So it's really focused on helping them make ends meet, reduce their debt and ultimately save more money. And our advantage is the fact that we know the customer, we understand their behaviors and we are an agnostic platform to connect them to those products that matter most. And so we're very early but we love what we're seeing and what we're learning and that's informing our game plan as we look ahead.

Raimo Lenschow -- Barclays -- Analyst

Perfect. And if I might squeeze in one follow-up. This tax season, I mean -- with this, keep in mind, is this -- which is the first one you've fully on AWS and what was the pros and cons you saw from that one or just did you have some duplications? Thank you.

Sasan Goodarzi -- Chief Executive Officer

Sure. It's our second year on AWS and we had a -- what I would call and our teams would call an epic finish with the number of concurrent users at the end of the season. The performance, the availability was the best we have ever seen, and one element of it is our teams did an incredible job, making sure the experience -- with an awesome experience; but two, we credit being on AWS the fact that we could handle those kinds of volumes. But it was our second year and it was a great outcome.

Raimo Lenschow -- Barclays -- Analyst

Perfect. Thank you. Well done.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Chris Merwin from Goldman Sachs. Chris, you are now live.

Chris Merwin -- Goldman Sachs -- Analyst

Okay, thanks a lot. Yeah, just a couple from me if I could. I guess the first was on the TurboTax Live marketing campaign. Just wondering if you could just comment on how that performed relative to your expectations. I know the growth you saw year-on-year was very, very strong. So just any detail you could share there and I guess also how you're thinking about continuing to invest and marketing behind TurboTax Live to continue to disrupt that assisted tax prep category? And then I'll have a quick follow-up.

Sasan Goodarzi -- Chief Executive Officer

Hi, Chris. Thanks for your question. In terms of raising awareness, we take a very strategic approach to our campaigns and really the focus right now has been to raise awareness to help consumers understand that there is a different way that there could be a better way given their tax situation. And given the campaign, this year it actually worked very well. We look at mixed modeling -- marketing modeling and to understand how -- what the returns were for the dollars that we spent and the effectiveness of the campaign. And we really liked the metrics that we have seen and we'll be doing more deep dives to understand what that will inform for next year. But the way you should be thinking about it is just this is the beginning of a multi year and decade campaign to raise awareness, delivering awesome experiences, so more customers tell one another and then shifting the elements of the campaign from a -- just a simple awareness to effectiveness, but thus far we've enjoyed what we've seen.

Chris Merwin -- Goldman Sachs -- Analyst

Okay, great. And then the follow-up was just on revenue per return. I think it was up here low double digits in the 2Q, but up more like low singles in the 3Q, and you talked about the decision obviously to optimize the user experience which resulted in more free filers in Q3, but what if could those changes live in Q2 as well? I'm just curious why there was, I guess, such a big delta between the growth and revenue per return between 2Q and 3Q? Thanks.

Sasan Goodarzi -- Chief Executive Officer

Sure. Is this -- is your question around TurboTax Live versus TurboTax?

Chris Merwin -- Goldman Sachs -- Analyst

Just the overall kind of changes you've made to promote more free filing across the total platform?

Sasan Goodarzi -- Chief Executive Officer

Got it. Thank you for the question. So two things that I would say. One is based on the decisions that we've made to accelerate free and the decisions that we made to have TurboTax Live across the line up. In essence, our ARPC would have been several points higher if we chose not to make that decision. But we don't solve for ARPC, what we're solving for is accelerated customer growth and making sure that we grow the revenue double digit and ensuring that operating income grows faster than revenue. So I would just focus on those principles, but I would just end with again saying ARPC would have been several points higher if we had not made those decisions on free.

Chris Merwin -- Goldman Sachs -- Analyst

Okay, understood. Thanks very much.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Kartik Mehta from Northcoast Research. Kartik, your line is now open.

Kartik Mehta -- Northcoast Research -- Analyst

Hey, good evening Sasan. Just a couple of questions on TurboTax Live. As you watch the progression of that product and tested price points, well, what are your thoughts on price elasticity for the product? Do you think there's an opportunity that it's providing value that you can raise prices or do you think this is a product where you might have to lower prices and you'll get a lot more quantity of users?

Sasan Goodarzi -- Chief Executive Officer

Hi, Kartik. Thanks for your question. You know this is a $20 billion TAM, 90 million customers. Our number one focus is acing the experience for our customers, to help them build confidence, acing the experience for our pros that they do a spectacular job delivering for our customers and there is so much more room for growth here. The least of our focus is pricing, although we think about that, it's about solving the problem well, because we believe that there is so much headroom for growth. We do believe there is certainly headroom for price increases, but we're just so early and it's such a huge TAM that we just believe the opportunity is to nail the experience and get as many customers to use the platform as possible, so it goes viral and they tell others.

Kartik Mehta -- Northcoast Research -- Analyst

Perfect. And Michelle, just one more question on margins as it relates to TurboTax Live. You know you've talked a lot about automating the process AI. I'm wondering, how close you think TurboTax Live margins can get to just traditional TurboTax, since there is human intervention obviously in the TurboTax Live. I'm just wondering how close you can get by using AI and automation.

Michelle Clatterbuck -- Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer

Thanks, Kartik. I appreciate the question on TurboTax Live. One of the things that has really helped us when we think about TurboTax Live. Number one, I mean last year was the first year, this year as we said a number of times, we've driven a ton of efficiencies with 3x the customers and yet the same number of pros. But we really continue to look at how do we use automation and how do we use augmented intelligence to drive it.

Another thing I would say is, we have focused a lot on using technology here and really focusing on technology first, then bringing in the experts to help which has enabled us to be in potentially a different margin range than most people may with this type of an offering. So we're very pleased with the margins we're seeing. And as Sasan just mentioned, there's just so much opportunity here. Right now, we are really focused on how do we continue to bring customers in and continue to just deliver that great experience.

Kartik Mehta -- Northcoast Research -- Analyst

All right. Thanks, Michelle. Thanks, Sasan. Appreciate it.

Sasan Goodarzi -- Chief Executive Officer

Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Michael Turrin from Deutsche Bank. Michael, your line is now open.

Michael Turrin -- Deutsche Bank -- Analyst

Hey there. Thanks and good afternoon. Just one for me. Following up on the QBO subs question earlier. I appreciate you've been signaling that growth rate is expected to moderate, but looks like it's happening a bit more on the US side. Is there anything you can add in terms of expectations for that split between US and international could stack up in terms of a more normalized growth profile going forward. And then on the international side, any specific geos to call out there in terms of contribution? Thanks.

Sasan Goodarzi -- Chief Executive Officer

Hi, Michael. Thanks for the question. First of all, the reason we talked about watching online ecosystem revenue growth of 30% plus is it gets so place where how do you count the sub, because we have SC subs, we have QBO subs. We are now looking at TC subs, we have payment subs. So there one element to it, how do you count the subs. And so we want to make sure that we actually provide you all a very clear flagpole of what to watch for.

The second is, we're actually very pleased with our progress in the US, because while we've been focused on Self-Employed which has seen very good growth we're really focused on accelerating our focus into mid-market. And so when we look at the growth rate in the US of 25% given the mix of customers that we're actually focused on going after and specifically the services that we're focused on going after, we're very pleased with it. And I think ultimately the bank box to your question is, I would focus on online ecosystem revenue growth because that is the best indication for the health of the franchise.

And the second -- and the second part of your question. I apologize, I did not answer yet, which is the geography. We are very pleased with our progress in UK, Canada and Australia, and we are making very good progress in getting to product market fit in France and in Brazil.

Michael Turrin -- Deutsche Bank -- Analyst

Helpful. Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Walter Pritchard from Citi. Walter, you are now live.

Walter Pritchard -- Citi -- Analyst

Hi. Thanks. Just -- most of my questions have been answered here. But two quick ones. One on, I think there's a fear at the beginning of this season, possibly you've seen some trade down from customers who got simplified filings and go into these standardized deductions. Moving to free, you did have a strong performance on free, could you help us understand in the context of what you ended up seeing in tax season? How the trade down affects either impacted or didn't impact the number?

Sasan Goodarzi -- Chief Executive Officer

Hi, Walter. The trade down effect did not affect our expectations, it was within our expectations. It was the deliberate decision that we made which was again in context of our durable strategy of delivering the best free offering ever, which was around including year-over-year data transfer for free and extending free for the entire season that really impacted our ARPC. But the -- and again that was all very deliberate and we're pleased with what we saw, but really trade down was not a driver relative to our expectations. It was within our expectations.

Walter Pritchard -- Citi -- Analyst

Got it, great. And then on advance, I'm curious how much of -- I know it's early, what percentage of those customers are you seeing the sort of a direct conversion off of QuickBooks -- QuickBooks Online or QuickBooks Desktop and how much of it is sort of out plan competitors placement with other kind of mid-market financial accounting packages and other sources?

Sasan Goodarzi -- Chief Executive Officer

Yeah. Thank you for the question. First of all, I'll start with, it's around 70/30, 70% existing, 30% new. Only because we really haven't yet aggressively pursue new, because we've actually been focused on building out the platform. The reason the mix is so much existing is, we have about 180,000 or so QBO customers that are actually kind of in that mid-market range, they're looking to be able to do a batch invoicing. They're looking to be able to have roles and permissions, and we've been aggressively build out -- building out the platform, so we can ultimately migrate those customers to a platform that they are happier with and then we will shift more aggressively to go after new customers. Desktop is not really playing a role just yet, because those Desktop customers are really looking for inventory capability which we will build out as we over time began to more aggressively focus on product based businesses.

Walter Pritchard -- Citi -- Analyst

Got it. Great. Thanks Sasan.

Sasan Goodarzi -- Chief Executive Officer

Thanks Walter.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Yao Chu (ph) from RBC. Yao, your line is now open.

Yao Chu -- RBC Capital -- Analyst

Hi, everyone. Thanks for taking my question and squeeze me in at the end here. Two quick ones. We've picked up a late season TurboTax Live pros skew. Just give any comment on that with the meaningful impact and how to think about that either in terms of tax or build out. And the other one I guess is, a lots of discussion around TurboTax Live, but we view this very much as a multiyear phenomenon. Is there a way to think about an upper bound of the attach on a three year basis, a five year basis of a nature investment needed to get there in broad strokes would be helpful. Thank you.

Sasan Goodarzi -- Chief Executive Officer

Hi, Yao. Thank you for your question. I'll start with your first one which is we're always experimenting as I mentioned earlier with a $20 billion market opportunity, 90 million customers, most of which use the assisted category because of a lack of confidence. Really our initial focus was helping those that may just want to use TurboTax but are looking for help on demand. We are also testing in essence full service which is we'll do it for you if that's what you want us to do and that's the test it sounds like you fell into and we're early in our insights and learnings to see what the future brings based on what's most important to our customers.

In terms of TurboTax Live, we don't think about it in terms of a attach. We think about it in terms of what's most important to our customers, because there are some customers that come in and right off the bat they want to ensure that they have helped along the way. Over time, it could be those that also come in and are looking for a full service offering. So we don't think about it in context of attach. We think about it in context of the segments of customers that have higher doubt, fear and uncertainty and are looking for an essence expertise and help.

In terms of how to think about how to model it, Michelle, I think did a really nice job earlier around the way you -- and the way we want you all to be thinking about this opportunity for us. We are putting our best and brightest engineers on solving this problem through an AI-driven expert platform. It's all about applying technology to solve this problem very, very well. Not only for the customer, but for the expert. So we should not think about this opportunity as a typical human capital business. We should think about this as completely digitizing services and experts having-AI driven power tools at their fingertips to be able to serve customers very, very easily and in fact the more we learn by solving this two sided problem, we actually make the platform better, so that the customer gets the answers to their questions much, much more rapidly. So I think the way to think about this is just a huge opportunity for us to drive revenue growth and think about our margins in a way to model at the Company level which is the guidance that we've provided.

Yao Chu -- RBC Capital -- Analyst

Thank you. That's very helpful.

Sasan Goodarzi -- Chief Executive Officer

Well, with that being...

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, I'm not showing any further questions. Would you like to close with any additional remarks?

Sasan Goodarzi -- Chief Executive Officer

Yes, thank you. I apologize for interrupting you. First of all, I want to thank everyone for the great discussion and the great questions. I just want to leave you with the notion of, we are very excited about our strategy of an AI-driven expert platform. We have incredible confidence in our segments, incredible confidence in the progress of the Company. We look forward to sharing more in the upcoming quarters and in Investor Day, and we hope everybody has a wonderful rest of the day and week. Thank you.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for participating. This concludes today's conference call. You may now disconnect.

Duration: 70 minutes

Call participants:

Jerry Natoli -- Vice President of Corporate Finance and Treasurer

Sasan Goodarzi -- Chief Executive Officer

Michelle Clatterbuck -- Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer

Keith Weiss -- Morgan Stanley -- Analyst

Brad Zelnick -- Credit Suisse -- Analyst

Kirk Materne -- Evercore ISI -- Analyst

Scott Schneeberger -- Oppenheimer -- Analyst

Jennifer Lowe -- UBS -- Analyst

Josh Beck -- KeyBanc -- Analyst

Jackson Ader -- JP Morgan -- Analyst

Ken Wong -- Guggenheim Securities -- Analyst

Brent Thill -- Jefferies -- Analyst

Raimo Lenschow -- Barclays -- Analyst

Chris Merwin -- Goldman Sachs -- Analyst

Kartik Mehta -- Northcoast Research -- Analyst

Michael Turrin -- Deutsche Bank -- Analyst

Walter Pritchard -- Citi -- Analyst

Yao Chu -- RBC Capital -- Analyst

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