National Fuel Gas Co (NFG) Q1 2021 Earnings Call Transcript

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National Fuel Gas Co (NFG -0.67%)
Q1 2021 Earnings Call
Feb 5, 2021, 11:00 a.m. ET

Contents:

• Prepared Remarks
• Questions and Answers
• Call Participants

Prepared Remarks:

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by, and welcome to the Q1 2021 National Fuel Gas Company Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. [Operator Instructions]

I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Ken Webster, Director of Investor Relations. Thank you. Please go ahead, sir.

Kenneth E. Webster -- Director of Investor Relations

Thank you, Ditamara [Phonetic], and good morning. We appreciate you joining us on today's conference call for a discussion of last evening's earnings release. With us on the call from National Fuel Gas Company are Dave Bauer, President and Chief Executive Officer; Karen Camiolo, Treasurer and Principal Financial Officer; and John McGinnis, President of Seneca Resources. At the end of the prepared remarks, we will open the discussion to questions.

The first quarter fiscal 2021 earnings release and February investor presentation have been posted on our Investor Relations website. We may refer to these materials during today's call.

We would like to remind you that today's teleconference will contain forward-looking statements. While National Fuel's expectations, beliefs and projections are made in good faith and are believed to have a reasonable basis, actual results may differ materially. These statements speak only as of the date on which they are made, and you may refer to last evening's earnings release for a listing of certain specific risk factors.

With that, I'll turn it over to Dave Bauer.

David P. Bauer -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, Ken. Good morning, everyone. National Fuel's first quarter was a great start to our fiscal year, with operating results up 5% year-over-year. Operationally, we had a really strong quarter, particularly at Seneca and NFG Midstream, where in spite of 4 Bcf of pricing-related curtailments, production and the associated gathering throughput was up 36% over last year. Most of that growth was the result of last year's Tioga County acquisition, which continues to trend better than our initial expectations.

The team has been focused on high-grading our consolidated development program, optimizing our firm sales and transportation portfolio and driving down unit costs. You can see our success in Seneca's updated guidance. We increased the midpoint of our production range and lowered our forecasted unit costs, all while holding our capital range constant. Seneca added a second drilling rig in January, with first production permit scheduled to come online in early fiscal 2022. The goal is to fill our Leidy South capacity as soon after it goes in service, and thereby, capture the premium winter pricing in the East Coast markets. The second rig will focus principally on Tioga County. We're at $2 netback prices, our consolidated returns on Utica wells are north of 65%.

Looking beyond fiscal 2022, absent new firm takeaway capacity, Seneca's program will likely average between 1.5 and 2 rigs, which will keep our production flat to slightly growing.

Our focus will be on generating free cash flow. As you can see from our updated slide deck at a $2.75 NYMEX price, we expect our Upstream and Gathering businesses will generate approximately $115 million to $125 million in free cash flow in 2021. As our production grows in 2022 and 2023, we expect this level of free cash flow to similarly increase. Obviously, our ability to generate cash is heavily dependent on the direction of commodity prices. As you know, we have an active hedging program and continue to methodically layer in hedges with the goal of protecting our investment in PDPs and locking in the strong rates of return generated by our unique integrated development program.

Switching gears, our FERC-regulated pipeline businesses had a great quarter, with earnings up nearly 25%. This was driven by the Supply Corporation rate case settlement that went into effect last February, coupled with the new revenues from our Empire North expansion project that was placed in service at the end of fiscal 2020. Our FM100 expansion and modernization project is on track to continue this momentum into fiscal 2022 and 2023. As a reminder, this project will add $50 million in annual revenue, once it goes in service, which I expect will occur late in this calendar year. We're waiting on a few remaining state permits, which we anticipate receiving in the next few weeks. All of the necessary federal permits have been received. We've awarded the job to contractors in order for the necessary long lead time items, including pipeline and compressor units. Once all permits are in hand, we'll file for our notice to proceed with FERC and start construction shortly thereafter.

With respect to the recent change in leadership at FERC, we don't see any cause for concern on FM100. As you know, FM100 is a companion project to Transco's Leidy South expansion. And though the latter project is a little ahead of ours in the permitting process, FERC views them as essentially one project. Just last week, Transco received the notice to proceed from FERC for a portion of their project, which gives us confidence that ours will receive similar treatment when we file for our notice to proceed in the next few weeks.

Switching to the Utility, warmer-than-normal weather and the impact of the pandemic on our operating costs weighed on earnings for the quarter. These were somewhat offset by the continued growth in revenues from our New York jurisdiction's system modernization tracking mechanism. As we continue to face the COVID pandemic, the safety and well-being of our employees, customers and communities are our highest priorities. We remain focused on business continuity and providing the safe and reliable service our customers expect. Our employees have done a terrific job, and I'd like to say thank you to them for all their hard work.

With the change in administration in Washington, there has been increased focus on the role of natural gas in the nation's energy complex. Natural gas has already played a significant role in the decarbonization of the economy. The displacement of coal-fired power generation and fuel switching for residential heating drove a 12% reduction in total US greenhouse gas emissions since 2008. The importance of natural gas to the economy cannot be understated. For example, in our New York utility service territory, nearly 90% of households use natural gas to heat their homes. And on a day like today, nearly 50% of New York State's electricity is being generated using natural gas.

In the near-term, that role is not going to change overnight. But longer-term, it's clear we're moving toward a lower carbon world. I firmly believe the cost and reliability advantages provided by natural gas will ensure it has a future serving the energy needs of the country. Heating a home in the Northeast using natural gas costs less than half of what it would using electric heat. And LDCs are incredibly reliable. This past winter, natural gas service at our Utility was available 99.9% of the time. It makes little sense to forfeit these benefits in favor of more expensive, less reliable alternatives. But to make sure we have a place in the energy complex, we must dramatically lower our emissions footprint and National Fuel is committing to do so.

How will we get there? On my view, there are three main avenues to pursue. First is improving the emissions profile of our operations. We've already made great progress here. For example, through our modernization program, greenhouse gas emissions on our utility system have dropped by more than 60% from 1990 levels. But we're not done. At the current pace of the program, we expect a more than 80% reduction by 2040. Second is conservation. We have to encourage our customers to use less. Thankfully, the state commissions have given us the tools to do so. Our conservation incentive program has resulted in end-use emissions reductions of over 1.3 million metric tons since its implementation in 2007. And lastly, we need to embrace technology across all aspects of our business, including our own operations, the equipment used by our customers and alternative fuels like RNG and hydrogen. We're proud to be an anchor sponsor of the Low-Carbon Resources Initiative, which is researching new technologies that lower the carbon footprint of pipelines, LDCs and their customers.

I'm excited for the future of natural gas. We have some work to do. But at the end of the day, I'm very confident natural gas will have a prominent role in meeting our country's energy needs, and that National Fuel's operations, from the wellhead to the burner tip, will remain an important part of the energy solution.

In closing, National Fuel had a great first quarter. As I've said on prior calls, fiscal '21 should be a big growth year for us. The first quarter delivered on that expectation, and the outlook for the remainder of the year continues to be strong. Gas prices have been volatile, but our strong hedge book helps protect from those swings. As we look toward '22 and beyond, we're well positioned for both growth and meaningful cash flow generation, a combination that many of our peers cannot match. Our balance sheet is in great shape. And our integrated, yet diversified business model, provides a level of downside protection to help us navigate the ebbs and flows that we'll inevitably face.

Before turning the call over to John, I want to take a minute to acknowledge two upcoming retirements. As you've probably seen, John McGinnis is retiring effective May 1 of this year. Over the course of his 14 years with the Company, John has been instrumental in the growth of Seneca, taking it from a small conventional operator that produced less than 50 Bcfe annually to the key player in the Appalachian Basin that Seneca has become. Also, John Pustulka, our Chief Operating Officer, is retiring effective May 1. There isn't an individual that I've met who has been more dedicated to the Company and the industry. Over his 47-year career, he led by example and was a main driver of our corporate culture, particularly as it relates to employee safety. I wish them both the best in retirement. While they'll be missed, I'm certain the Company won't miss a beat under the leadership of Ron Kraemer, who will assume the role of COO; and Justin Loweth, who will become the new President of Seneca.

With that, I'll turn the call over to John McGinnis for an update on our Upstream operations.

John P. McGinnis -- President of Seneca

Thanks, Dave, and good morning, everyone. Seneca had a strong first quarter. We produced a Company record, 79.5 Bcfe, despite approximately 4 Bcf of price-related curtailments in October and early November. Our nearly 40% production increase in Appalachia was largely due to the Company's fourth quarter fiscal 2020 acquisition of upstream assets in Tioga County, as well as production from our ongoing development program. We continue to see the benefits of our recent acquisition, with increased scale and operational synergies driving a collective $0.10 per Mcfe decrease in G&A and LOE expenses from the prior year's first quarter.

With about six months of operations now under our belt, we are seeing additional cost reductions above our initial expectations. As an example, LOE reductions of over $50,000 a month have been realized by releasing unneeded equipment rentals and contract services on the acquired assets. Additionally, we achieved between $300,000 to $500,000 per well in reduced water cost on our recent Tioga 007 pad completions through the use of acquired water withdrawal points and storage facilities.

In line with our plans discussed on last quarter's call, we added a second drill rig in early January, which will focus on our EDA assets, including the deep inventory of acquired Utica locations in Tioga. This activity will allow Seneca to bring online additional volumes in early fiscal '22, commensurate with the expected availability of our capacity on the Leidy South project, reaching premium markets during the winter heating season. We expect Seneca's other rig to remain focused in the WDA, maintaining relatively balanced activity between these two operating areas longer term. Although pricing in fiscal '21 has not been as strong as we initially projected during this winter, the supply and demand fundamentals, whether notwithstanding, remain constructive over the next 12 to 18 months.

Looking out beyond the current year, the fiscal '22 strip is around $2.80 an Mcf, a price where we realized strong returns from our Appalachia program. As always, we have maintained our disciplined approach to hedging and are already well positioned in fiscal '22, with over 180 Bcf of fixed price firm sales, NYMEX swaps and costless collars in place. This provides Seneca with downside protection, but leaves the potential to generate significant additional free cash flow, should prices move up. We'll keep a close eye on pricing dynamics and look for opportunities to layer in additional hedges as we move through this fiscal year, closer to the in-service date of Leidy South.

We are maintaining our fiscal '21 capex guidance, which remains in the $350 million to $390 million range. Based on our strong first quarter well results and solid execution by our operations team, we are revising our production guidance to range -- to a range of 310 Bcfe to 335 Bcfe, a 2.5 Bcfe increase at the midpoint. Most of our production growth in fiscal '21 should occur during the first half of the year, with flat to slightly declining production during the back half as we defer completion and flowback activity until the winter season when our new FT capacity is targeted to be in service.

For the remainder of the fiscal year, we have 186 Bcf or around 80% of our East Division gas production locked in physically and financially. We have another 30 Bcf of firm sales providing basis protection, so over 90% of our forecasted gas production is already sold. We currently estimate that we'll have around 17 Bcf of gas exposed to the spot market. So, as always, these volumes are potentially at risk for curtailment. And in California, we have around 67% of our remaining oil production, is hedged at an average price of around $57 per barrel.

And finally, as indicated in our press release last month, I plan to retire from Seneca effective May 1. Justin Loweth, our Senior VP of Seneca, will be promoted to President. Justin has been with Seneca for 10 years and has been instrumental in much of our success over the past decade, and I am confident in his ability to lead the Company forward. We pay a lot of attention to our succession planning across the organization, and I am pleased to be leaving Seneca with an experienced and strong management team.

And with that, I'll turn it over to Karen.

Karen M. Camiolo -- Treasurer and Principal Financial Officer

Thank you, John, and good morning, everyone. National Fuel's first quarter GAAP earnings were $0.85 per share when you back out items impacting comparability, including a ceiling test charge and the impact of a gain related to the sale of our timber properties, operating results were $1.06 per share. This increase of 5% over last year was on the strength of our Pipeline & Storage segment results, as well as the impact of the Upstream and Gathering acquisition in Appalachia.

Dave and John already hit on the high-level drivers, so I'll focus on a few other details from the quarter and discuss our outlook for the remainder of the year. First, in line with our expectations, we closed on the sale of our timber properties in December, receiving net proceeds of $105 million after closing adjustments. As a result, we recorded an after-tax gain of $37 million. We made the decision to divest substantially all of these properties to fund a portion of our Appalachian acquisition. The timing of the sale allowed us to structure the transaction as a like kind of exchange, which defers a relatively sizable tax gain over the life of the Appalachian reserves that we acquired last year. The other large item impacting comparability during the quarter was the $55 million after-tax non-cash ceiling test charge. Given where prices are today, we would not expect to record another ceiling test impairment in the fiscal year.

Moving to operating results for the quarter. John and Dave hit the high points in our Upstream and Pipeline businesses, so let me touch briefly on earnings at the Utility, which were down $3.5 million versus last year's first quarter. Warmer weather, particularly in our Pennsylvania service territory and an additional accrual for bad debt, likely to result from the pandemic, impacted this business during the quarter. While we haven't witnessed a material deterioration and customer payment trends, we are in the midst of the winter heating season, and customers are only just beginning to see larger monthly bills. As a result, we continue to conservatively accrue additional expense to reserve against the potential for increased bad debts, and would expect to do so at least through the remainder of the winter.

Switching to our outlook for the rest of the year, we've revised our guidance range higher, now projecting earnings to be between $3.65 and $3.95 per share, a $0.10 increase at the midpoint. This increase was driven by strong results during the first quarter, modest decreases in Seneca's cash unit costs and a reduction in our expected DD&A rate as a result of the additional ceiling test charge and reserve bookings during the first quarter. These are expected to be somewhat offset by revisions to our commodity price assumptions for the remaining nine months of the year, with our NYMEX natural gas guidance decreasing to $2.75 per MMBtu and WTI guidance increasing to $52.50 per barrel. All of our other key assumptions are largely unchanged and fully laid out in the earnings release and investor deck published last night.

With respect to consolidated capital spending, all of our segment ranges remain the same, and we are still projecting between $720 million and $830 million for the fiscal year. At the midpoint of our guidance ranges, we'd expect funds from operations to exceed our capital spending by approximately $50 million for the year. Incorporating that with the proceeds from the sale of our timber properties, we expect to be able to cover our dividend without any material incremental short-term borrowings. We are well hedged for the remainder of the year, so any changes in commodity prices should have a muted impact on earnings and cash flows.

Switching to the balance sheet. balance sheet. We have $500 million of long-term debt set to mature in December. We expect to access the capital markets in fiscal 2021 to replace this maturity. With our next maturity thereafter, not until fiscal 2023, we have a nice runway without any major refinancing requirements. On our short-term credit facilities, we enhanced our liquidity by increasing the size of our 364-day credit facility and extending its maturity through the end of calendar 2022. This now gives us $1 billion in committed unsecured credit facilities that are almost entirely undrawn today. From an overall leverage standpoint, our balance sheet is in great shape. We are well within the investment-grade targets set forth by the rating agencies. And as we look to fiscal 2022 and finish construction on the FM100 project, we expect to see further improvement in these metrics. In closing, we had a solid first quarter, and the outlook for the year remains strong. With that, I'll close and ask the operator to open the line for questions.

Questions and Answers:

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Your first response is from Brian Singer of Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Brian Singer -- Goldman Sachs -- Analyst

Thank you, and good morning.

David P. Bauer -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Good morning.

Karen M. Camiolo -- Treasurer and Principal Financial Officer

Good morning, Brain

Brian Singer -- Goldman Sachs -- Analyst

I wanted to start on FM100, but really more from an E&P perspective. As FM100 ramps up at the end of this year, can you talk a little bit more about what goes into the picture from a DUC rig count and ultimately production perspective? You added a second rig in the Eastern Development Area, how do the DUCs and rigs evolve over the year? And then importantly, should we expect that production will go up, cubic foot per cubic foot, for the new capacity?

David P. Bauer -- President and Chief Executive Officer

John, you want to take that?

John P. McGinnis -- President of Seneca

Yeah, I'll take that. You'll see the production increase. If you go to one of the slides in our deck, let me pull it up. Yeah. If you go to Slides 27 and 28, you sort of get a sense for what we're looking at as we go through the remainder of this year into next year. The majority of the production will certainly come out of the WDA. We're drilling around 25 wells there this year completing, I think, around 30. So most of it will come out of the WDA, but we will have additional available volumes if we need them in Lycoming and also in Tioga. We have around 100 million a day on the Dominion line that will connect us to Leidy South. And if necessary, we can certainly utilize the production coming out of Tioga as well. But as far as the growth profile, if you take a look at those two slides, you'll get a pretty good feel for how we look.

Brian Singer -- Goldman Sachs -- Analyst

Great. Thank you. And then my follow-up is with regard to some of the comments that you made on lower carbon ventures and efficiencies. One is, you mentioned in your comments on convincing customers to use less, which is something that's been embraced on the New York side. What do you see as the range of potential impact of customer efficiency or demand reduction in gas, whether it's in your service areas or more broadly in the Northeast?

And then you talked on slide, I think, 48 or so, on renewable natural gas, which you also mentioned in your opening comments. And I wondered if you could just talk about what your key objectives are this year to promote, not only this, but the other low-carbon ventures and Low Carbon Resources Initiatives that you talked about?

David P. Bauer -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Sure. With respect to efficiency gains, I think over time, it's -- a lot is going to depend on technology from a, call it, a heating equipment perspective. And then how willingly customers are to embrace further insulation and, call it, tightening of the envelope. And our team is busy calculating what those impacts could be. And I don't want to throw out a number of where we think we could get to without getting to them, but it is a meaningful reduction, particularly on the tightening the envelope side.

And when you look at some of the technologies that are coming out, whether it's a gas-fired heat pump or a hybrid-type system that uses air source heat pump with supplemental gas heat, the potential for meaningful reduction in usage is there. And you point out New York, we have a revenue decoupling mechanism. So we're largely indifferent to -- well, not largely, we are indifferent to our customers' usage.

With respect to RNG, I guess, in the near-term, since we really are early innings on it, is first getting RNG plants hooked up to our system so that we're able to take the gas and use it. And then second, working with the commission to allow for our gas purchasing department to include RNG in our overall supply mix. Those would be the two near-term objectives. And then, obviously, as we go through time and the industry becomes more mature, it will go from there.

Brian Singer -- Goldman Sachs -- Analyst

Thank you.

David P. Bauer -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah.

Operator

Thank you. Your next response is from Asit Sen. Please go ahead. With Bank of America.

Asit Sen -- Bank of America -- Analyst

Good morning. I just wanted to follow-up on Brian's question on carbon. And Dave, I appreciate all the comments on reducing carbon intensity. And as we await more clarity on energy policy, thanks for sharing those details. But if I'm thinking about broadly as we find out where carbon policies evolve, near term, if I'm thinking about it, it's conservation, and you also mentioned modernization. You gave details on conservation, but is there more -- further opportunities on modernization that could help reducing carbon intensity? And thinking about technology, you said RNG, would hydrogen be a much longer-term aspiration also?

David P. Bauer -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah. Well, hydrogen, certainly, long-term, would be an opportunity to reduce emissions. And when you look longer term, the best renewable generation sites happen to be very near our service territory. And so, it's certainly possible that the -- any excess generation from them could go toward a hydrogen-type production facility.

In terms of modernization, on the Utility side, we've been -- well, both the Utility and the Pipeline side, we've been at it for a couple of decades in modernizing our system. I think we still have room to go. And at the end of the day, on the Utility side, can certainly get to an 80% reduction relative to 1990 levels. On the Pipeline side, it's a little bit more challenging because we have stack emissions from our compressor stations that we've got to address. But I'm confident over time, we'll find a solution, whether it's new technologies, offsets or something else that hasn't even been thought of.

Asit Sen -- Bank of America -- Analyst

Got it. And how do you view California and potential ramifications with the changes in energy policy?

David P. Bauer -- President and Chief Executive Officer

John, you want to take that?

John P. McGinnis -- President of Seneca

Yeah. I mean, certainly, California has a larger environmental footprint than our natural gas assets do, but we recognize that. And we actually now have a slide in our deck as well that we're looking to replace some of our power needs through building solar plants out there. And we've done that at North Midway a few years ago. It's proven to be very successful. And we actually hooked up our office to solar power as well, and we'll be moving forward with the plant in South Midway Sunset, which is another key operations or production operations area for us.

Asit Sen -- Bank of America -- Analyst

Thanks, John. And, John, appreciate -- or congrats on your retirement and appreciate the comments that you made on improvement in cost savings and efficiency post-acquisition last year. Could you comment a little bit on what you're seeing in terms of decline rate on a combined basis? You mentioned earlier that potential improvement. And also, any thoughts on service cost for the balance of this year that you're witnessing?

John P. McGinnis -- President of Seneca

And you're talking decline rates in Pennsylvania or...

Asit Sen -- Bank of America -- Analyst

Yeah, Pennsylvania.

John P. McGinnis -- President of Seneca

Okay. Yeah. Okay. And it pretty much remains the same. Quarter-over-quarter, we don't see a huge difference, but it's in that 20%, 23% range, maybe a little bit lower, some quarters depending on how recently we brought on new pads, but around 20% decline range is what we see across our Pennsylvania assets.

And in terms of service costs, honestly, I think they'll remain relatively flat over the next six to 12 months. I don't see them going down, especially with where gas prices tend to be going and oil prices. But I think we're -- at least with respect to Seneca, we'll be able to keep our service costs pretty much flat.

Asit Sen -- Bank of America -- Analyst

Thanks. I appreciate the color.

Operator

Thank you. Your next response is from Holly Stewart of Scotia Howard Weil. Please go ahead.

Holly Stewart -- Scotia Howard Weil -- Analyst

Good morning, gentlemen, and Karen.

David P. Bauer -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Good morning.

Holly Stewart -- Scotia Howard Weil -- Analyst

Maybe first start off by a big congrats to John. John, good luck in your retirement. We are all jealous. And it's definitely been a pleasure working with you all these years.

John P. McGinnis -- President of Seneca

Thank you, Holly. I appreciate that.

Holly Stewart -- Scotia Howard Weil -- Analyst

I'll start off with you. On the capex, I think, for the first quarter, I mean, really kind of light across the board as you sort of extrapolate it to the full-year guidance, but maybe focusing on Upstream specifically, how should we think about that progression of spend throughout the next couple of quarters, assuming we should see quite a bit of jump up in 2Q given the rig add? But just kind of wanted to walk through those thoughts with you.

John P. McGinnis -- President of Seneca

Yeah, that's exactly right. You'll see an increase in our second quarter and then it should remain -- second to third quarters, should remain relatively consistent. But as we step into our fourth quarter and even first quarter of next fiscal year, you'll begin to see that ramp up. As -- because we're deferring some of our completion activity, flowback activity, as a result of waiting for the turn on date of Leidy South, we'll begin to ramp up those -- that activity level pretty much in our fourth quarter is what we see right now.

Holly Stewart -- Scotia Howard Weil -- Analyst

Sorry, I kind of got confused there. So, a ramp up in spending in 2Q, flat in 3Q and then fourth quarter would decline?

John P. McGinnis -- President of Seneca

No, we'll see even a further ramp-up. Yes, yes, because there'll be a number of wells that we're going to look to complete in our fourth quarter of this fiscal year and first quarter in next fiscal year, depending on the turn on date of Leidy South, obviously.

Holly Stewart -- Scotia Howard Weil -- Analyst

Okay. Ramping into that pipe.

John P. McGinnis -- President of Seneca

Yeah.

Holly Stewart -- Scotia Howard Weil -- Analyst

Okay. Got it. Understood. And then maybe it appears that the free cash flow generation numbers actually went up pretty nicely. I was kind of honing in on that $2.75 type of price, even though you decreased your gas price overall in the guidance. So, any sort of color on those -- on what drove kind of that free cash flow increase?

John P. McGinnis -- President of Seneca

Well, certainly, the increase in production, having the Tioga assets for the entire quarter producing. Our Gathering, obviously, that goes into 100% into our Gathering business, and so that was a big plus. And we had -- as you just pointed out, we had a low capex quarter in terms of Seneca as a stand-alone, we will not be generating the same free cash flow because we added that second rig as we go forward. But on the consolidated basis, we will continue to do so.

Holly Stewart -- Scotia Howard Weil -- Analyst

Sure, sure. And, I guess, one more for me, if I could, and this is either for John or for Dave. You guys obviously just completed your largest acquisition to date with the Shell deal, but there appears to be sort of more Northeast PA assets that are being talked about on the market. Curious as to your appetite right now for additional M&A.

David P. Bauer -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah. I think, as we've said on prior calls, Holly, that we would certainly be interested in adding acreage in the areas that would be adjacent to areas where we're currently active, and in particular, like Lycoming County. Ideally, the -- what we buy would be near us and have a gathering opportunity, and either come with FT or be able to be sold into FT that we have already. So to the extent that stuff comes on the market like that, we definitely would be interested.

Holly Stewart -- Scotia Howard Weil -- Analyst

Great. Thank you, guys.

John P. McGinnis -- President of Seneca

Yeah. Thanks, Holly,

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Your next response is from Gordon Loy of Raymond James. Please go ahead.

Gordon Loy -- Raymond James -- Analyst

Hey. Good morning, everyone, and also congratulations to John on your upcoming retirement.

John P. McGinnis -- President of Seneca

Thank you.

David P. Bauer -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Good morning.

Gordon Loy -- Raymond James -- Analyst

So my first question is for John, with kind of the current ship above $50 until about 2023 or so, have there been kind of any discussions regarding increasing spending in California from the $10 million and maybe getting back to the $30 million? And then on top of that, what does kind of a maintenance level program in California look like?

John P. McGinnis -- President of Seneca

Okay. Yes, we are already talking about adding development dollars back into California. As we've seen over the last few months, our prices continue to improve. I think recently, we're in the mid-50 level, mid-50-plus. And we do have projects out there that make sense in that dollar range. Our struggle right now, and which I don't think or hopefully won't last, as looking in fiscal '22 and beyond, it's still fairly low. I think last I looked it was around $50. So we're looking for that $55 to $60 range, both this year and next year, and then we'll begin to add dollars back into California. I do not see only $10 million in spending on an annual basis out in California. I would prefer to get back up to that $20 million to $30 million range because we do have two or three new form-in [Phonetic] opportunities out there, that so far have been fairly successful, and we would like to get back developing those assets.

As far as maintenance mode out in California, our decline rate out there is fairly low. You're looking at anywhere from 6 -- around 6%, plus or minus a couple. Having said that, our -- typically, that $20 million a year is what's really needed to sort of keep our production flat out there. So I would say $20 million, plus or minus a couple of million.

Gordon Loy -- Raymond James -- Analyst

Got it. That makes sense. And then my follow-up, I was looking at the Pipeline & Storage capex with the guidance between $250 million to $300 million, is that kind of $50 million delta? How much of that is down to the timing of the start of construction at FM100? And how much of it is just down to kind of other kind of maintenance capex-type spending?

Karen M. Camiolo -- Treasurer and Principal Financial Officer

Yeah. So most of it probably is due to the FM100 project and the timing of when those costs hit.

Gordon Loy -- Raymond James -- Analyst

Okay, perfect. That makes sense. Thank you, all.

David P. Bauer -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah.

Operator

At this time, there are no further questions in the queue. I'd like to turn the conference call back over to Ken Webster for closing remarks.

Kenneth E. Webster -- Director of Investor Relations

Thank you, Ditamara. We'd like to thank everyone for taking the time to be with us today. A replay of this call will be available this afternoon on both our website and by telephone and will run through the close of business on Friday, February 12. To access the replay online, please visit our Investor Relations website at investor.nationalfuelgas.com. And to access by telephone, call 1-800-585-8367 and enter conference ID number 9363257. This concludes our conference call for today. Thank you, and goodbye.

Operator

[Operator Closing Remarks]

Duration: 39 minutes

Call participants:

Kenneth E. Webster -- Director of Investor Relations

David P. Bauer -- President and Chief Executive Officer

John P. McGinnis -- President of Seneca

Karen M. Camiolo -- Treasurer and Principal Financial Officer

Brian Singer -- Goldman Sachs -- Analyst

Asit Sen -- Bank of America -- Analyst

Holly Stewart -- Scotia Howard Weil -- Analyst

Gordon Loy -- Raymond James -- Analyst

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