Shoals Technologies Group, Inc. (SHLS) Q4 2021 Earnings Call Transcript

Shoals Technologies Group, Inc. (SHLS 0.36%)
Q4 2021 Earnings Call
Mar 10, 2022, 5:00 p.m. ET

Contents:

• Prepared Remarks
• Questions and Answers
• Call Participants

Prepared Remarks:

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, apologies for the delay. Welcome to the Shoals Technologies Group fourth quarter 2021 earnings conference call. Today, the call is being recorded, and we have allocated one hour for prepared remarks and Q&A. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Ashish Gupta.

Thank you. You may now begin.

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Thank you, operator, and thank you, everyone, for joining us today. Hosting the call with me are CEO, Jason Whitaker; and CFO, Philip Garton. On this call, management will be making projections or other forward-looking statements based on current expectations and assumptions, which are subject to risks and uncertainties. As you listen and consider these comments, should understand that these statements, including the guidance regarding the first quarter '22 and full year 2022 are not guarantees of performance or results.

Actual results could differ materially from our forward-looking statements if any of our assumptions are incorrect or because of other factors. These factors include, among other things, the risk factors described in our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, as well as economic and market circumstances, industry conditions, company performance and financial results, the COVID-19 pandemic supply chain disruptions, availability and price of our components and materials, project cancellations, decreased demand for our products and policy and regulatory changes. Although we may indicate and believe that the assumptions underlying the forward-looking statements are reasonable, any of the assumptions could prove inaccurate or incorrect and therefore, there can be no assurance that the results contemplated in the forward-looking statements will be realized. We caution that any forward-looking statement included in this discussion is made as of the date of this discussion and do not undertake any duty to update any forward-looking statements.

Today's presentation also includes references to non-GAAP financial measures. You should refer to the information contained in the company's fourth quarter press release for definitional information and reconciliations of historical non-GAAP measures to the comparable financial measures. With that, let me turn the call over to Jason.

Jason Whitaker -- Chief Executive Officer

[Audio gap] initiatives then I'll talk about current conditions in the solar market and wrap up with some commentary and overview of our financial results for the fourth quarter and provide our outlook for 2022. During 2021, we continue to convert customers to BLA and the number of EPC and developers using our system has grown to 18, up more than fourfold from 12 months ago. We believe that 8 of the top 10 solar EPCs use our combined as-you-go system on a majority of their projects, and we're currently in the process of transitioning an additional 15 customers to our system. Outside of BLA, we're starting to see significant traction from the new products we introduced last year.

Since launching our wire management solutions in the fourth quarter, we received orders for more than 300 megawatts of solar projects and the customer feedback received thus far has been incredibly positive. We plan to ship our first IV curve benchmarking products in the coming weeks and continue to expect first shipments of high-capacity plug-and-play harnesses and BLA 2.0 to begin in the second half of this year. We're also making strides in battery storage, leveraging products and expertise from our ConnectPV acquisition. We took our first orders for dedicated storage products in the third quarter last year, generated revenue in the following quarter, and have several high-profile battery projects and advance negotiations that we hope to announce in the coming quarters.

We've made significant progress on our international expansion plan. Last month, we received IAC certification for our BLA, which was the last hurdle to selling our products throughout the EU. We have our sales team in place, and our products are now fully qualified. And as a result, we expect to see backlog start to build this year.

We're also looking at opportunities beyond Europe, and we've started building a sales team in LatAm. Now turning to our newly formed EV charging business. We launched our products in the fourth quarter and have seen a tremendous level of market interest in quoting volume. We signed our first MSA with a charge point operator in November, shipped our first products in February, and we'll be ramping up production as planned through the second quarter of this year to meet our demand.

We're also starting to see synergies between our EV business and our core solar business as our customers are increasingly active in both solar and EV charging. A great example of that is the strategic agreement we recently signed with Luminace, the North American decarbonization as a service business of Brookfield Renewable. Luminace opted to collaborate with us to combine the best-in-class, high-quality distributed generation platform with our leading-edge e-mobility solutions to provide a comprehensive EV charging, solar, storage, and energy-efficient solutions. We are excited about this partnership and are honored to have been selected to be a vendor to an industry leader like Brookfield Renewable.

Finally, earlier this year, we unveiled the Shoals eMobility Innovation Center, a living lab that enables customers to experience Shoals' best-in-class electric vehicle charging solutions. We're bringing innovation to how EV charging is deployed and installed just like we did in solar. And having the center to demonstrate our products is an important tool to win new customers. The hard work we did in 2021 to convert more customers to BLA, introduce new products, enter the European market, and launch our EV business is going to accelerate our growth in 2022.

And to put that in perspective, we had backlog and awarded orders of $299 million at year-end 2021, which was nearly twice what it was at the end of 2020. That number has continued to grow in Q1 and underscores the momentum that is building across our business. To support our growth, we're expanding our engineering and sales team and will be opening an additional manufacturing facility that will more than double our production capacity. Now turning to current market conditions.

Last quarter, we disclosed that several of our customers had pushed out the delivery date of their orders, primarily as a result of delays they were experiencing in receiving modules or other equipment required for their projects from other vendors. We noted those pushouts would cause some of our revenues to shift from the fourth quarter of 2021 into 2022. And that shift has played out largely as we expected with only the timing of revenue being impacted and no revenue being lost. What we didn't expect is at the same time as we were seeing pushouts from some customers, we saw tremendous growth in orders from others so much so that we've had to add manufacturing capacity to meet the demand.

So we think our experience reflects the overall solar market right now. Demand is incredible, but the exact timing of projects remains very dynamic because customers are contending with so many moving pieces within their supply chain. What that means for us in 2022 is that while we know our revenue growth rate is going to increase significantly compared to last year, it's challenging to predict exactly how significantly, and which quarters will see the greatest growth. And because of that uncertainty, we've tried to capture a wide range of potential outcomes in our 2022 revenue outlook.

I'll wrap up by making some comments on our margins. Many of you have asked us about the sustainability of our margins, particularly given the year-over-year compression in gross margin we experienced in Q3 and Q4. We expect to deliver gross margins on average that is in the range of 38% to 40%. We will have blips along the way related to mix or supplier issues in any given quarter, but we are in a situation where we are delivering significant value to our customers and are able to capture the increase in our product costs over time.

Nearly all of the lower gross margin we saw in Q4 were related to a price increase from one of our suppliers that we chose not to pass on to our customers on a certain set of projects. That decision will continue to impact our gross margins in the first half of 2022 with a return to normalized levels in subsequent quarters. The story on EBITDA margins will be a little bit different. We are investing heavily in our human capital infrastructure to support our growth initiatives, including EV and international, which means we are adding SG&A ahead of when we have the revenue to absorb it.

That will result in EBITDA margins that will decline modestly year over year in 2022, even as gross margin increases. However, we believe that's a small price to pay to support the significant demand we have today and accelerate our growth. I'll now turn it over to Phil, who will discuss our fourth quarter 2021 financial results and our first quarter and full year 2022 guidance. Phil?

Phil Garton -- Chief Financial Officer

Thank you, Jason. For the fourth quarter, revenue grew 24% versus the prior-year period to $48 million, driven by increases of 29% in system solutions and 15% in components. The growth in system solutions revenue reflects strong demand for our combined as-you-go system. The strength in components revenue during the quarter was consistent with the expected change in mix.

Sales of system solutions represented 68% of total revenues versus 65% in the prior-year period. Gross margin in the fourth quarter was 33.1% compared to 38.3% in the prior-year period. The decline in gross margin year over year was due to approximately $1 million of higher material and logistics costs, largely related to one supplier who elected not to pass on to our customers. We will see approximately $3 million of additional costs in the first half of 2022, after which we expect our gross margin to normalize at levels in line with what we have achieved historically.

Fourth quarter general and administrative expenses were $11 million compared to $5.6 million in the prior-year period. The change was primarily a result of higher stock-based compensation, planned increased payroll due to higher headcount to support our growth and product initiatives, and new public company costs. Adjusted EBITDA for the fourth quarter was $11.3 million compared to $14.1 million in the prior-year period. Adjusted net income was $900,000 in the fourth quarter compared to $9 million in the prior-year period.

Please see the adjusted EBITDA and adjusted net income reconciliation tables for our fourth quarter press release for a bridge to our GAAP results. As of December 31, 2021, we had backlog and awarded orders of $299 million, an increase of 94% year over year and a 10% versus September 30, 2021. The increase in backlog and awarded orders reflects continued robust customer demand for Shoals products. Turning to our outlook for 2022.

Based on current market conditions and input from our customers and team, we expect 2022 revenues to be in the range of $300 million to $350 million, up 41% to 64% year over year. We expect adjusted EBITDA to be in the range of $79 million to $97 million, and adjusted net income to be in the range of $54 million to $69 million. As for the first quarter of 2022, we are updating our prior outlook. We continue to expect revenue to be in the range of $68 million to $74 million.

However, we now expect adjusted EBITDA to be in the range of $16 million to $20 million and adjusted net income to be in the range of $10 million to $13 million. To help provide some context on the bridge from our first quarter outlook, in addition to approximately $3 million impact that Jason and I discussed earlier, I wanted to call out first quarter weather-related shutdowns that resulted in approximately $4 million in lost revenue and a decrease of between $1 million and $2 million of adjusted EBITDA. We expect to recapture these shipments in the coming quarters. To support our multiyear growth outlook, we are pulling forward several investments, including the addition of our new facility, which will more than double manufacturing capacity and allow us to more effectively manage our business and serve our customers.

In addition, we are substantially increasing our engineering and sales staff, as well as our entire human capital infrastructure to support our growth initiatives over the next several years. With all that said, we have experienced significant growth and are confident that EBITDA margin will rise as we get leverage on SG&A exiting this year. I will now pass it back to Jason for closing remarks.

Jason Whitaker -- Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, Phil. I'd like to close by thanking all of our customers for their commitment to Shoals, our employees for their contributions to our company's success, and our shareholders for their continuous support. We're off to a strong start in 2022. And as we've talked about, I'm extremely excited about the growth we've seen in our backlog and award orders.

I couldn't be more proud of our progress on our growth initiatives, and we look forward to sharing future developments in upcoming calls. And with that, I want to thank everyone for their time today and I apologize for the technical difficulties, which resulted in a delayed start. We'll now open the line for questions.

Questions & Answers:

Operator

Thank you. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator instructions] Your first question comes from Brian Lee from Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Brian Lee -- Goldman Sachs -- Analyst

Hey, guys, good afternoon. Thanks for taking the questions. I had a couple here. I guess, just to start off on the gross margin, you're talking about a $3 million additional impact to the $1 million headwind you already had in 4Q.

So if I do the math, total $4 million, which means you're going to be at about a 30% gross margin level in Q1. Is that the right ballpark? And if so, is that the trough here in Q1 and it improves in Q2? Or how should we just think about the cadence of margins in the first half as you move toward more of a normalized margin path in the second half?

Phil Garton -- Chief Financial Officer

This is Phil. I can take that one, Brian. I'm not going to give you exactly since we don't provide guidance on gross margins. Gross margins will be the lowest we expect in the first quarter.

After we kind of work through this business, it will grow up -- grow in the second quarter arise. And then we expect in the second half of the year to get back to approximately what our historical levels have been.

Brian Lee -- Goldman Sachs -- Analyst

And so with the historical levels, I mean, you guys have been in the high 30s, you've been 40 plus. Can you kind of maybe narrow it down for us a little bit? Or are you planning to be back to the high 30s? Or are you going to be 40 plus in terms of kind of what you're thinking with respect to normalization on the margin path? And is it raising pricing in the second half? Is it your cost assumptions normalizing, what gets you the visibility that you get back to that normalized level as you quantify it?

Phil Garton -- Chief Financial Officer

Go ahead, Jason.

Jason Whitaker -- Chief Executive Officer

I'll take, Phil. Pleasure to speak with you again, Brian. When you look at that, as I said in my prepared remarks, we're looking to provide on average margin profile in that 38% to 40%. And kind of going back to the drop in Q1, that's literally a direct result, as we stated, based upon an increase in price from predominantly one vendor.

And that was the decision that we made to absorb that particular price because it was a late drive almost at time of ship, and we didn't feel like it was the right thing to do to pass it on directly to our customers because it was not directly related to copper or aluminum. So it's one of the things we consider to be definitely short-term pain for significantly long-term gains from a relationship perspective with our partners.

Brian Lee -- Goldman Sachs -- Analyst

OK. Fair enough. Last one for me, and I'll pass it on. Again, on the margins.

If my math is right, it's -- your guidance for Q1 EBITDA margin percentage is higher than what you saw in Q4, but obviously, gross margin percentage is down in Q1 versus Q4, if you just kind of run the math on the provided guidance. So is there additional adjustments to the EBITDA in Q1? Or can you kind of help reconcile that? And then $5 million cash balance at the end of Q4. Maybe Phil, a quick comment on liquidity. Are you tapping the revolver, sort of what's your position here? Thank you.

Phil Garton -- Chief Financial Officer

We tap the revolver as necessary, as you know. I mean, we're growing the business, which can consume cash. And coming out of the fourth quarter is always -- fourth quarter is a relatively low, the holiday time, relatively low production during the holidays, which means your receivables are lower coming into that. But anyway, so yes, the cash figures were a little lower, but that's kind of how they are depending on how you collect and pay the bills at the end of the year.

And as we go and look at margins in Q1, remember, I did mention the weather issues will impact us. And so we will have some weather impact in that in Q1 in addition to this cost item that's rolling through. But we expect -- and we're investing in the business. And I think what I feel looking at as the CFO, as we look year over year, the growth is dramatic between 40% to 64% approximately annualized growth, depending on our guidance.

And we look at that, we're investing not only for this year but into the future. And that's why we're investing in the SG&A which is driving down our adjusted EBITDA slightly. And -- but it's absolutely the right thing to do as far as the valuation of the business because the opportunities are so great out there that this investment is well worth.

Brian Lee -- Goldman Sachs -- Analyst

All right. Appreciate the color. I'll take it off. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from Maheep Mandloi from Credit Suisse. Please go ahead.

Maheep Mandloi -- Credit Suisse -- Analyst

Hey, good evening, everyone. Thanks for taking your questions. First just on the backlog growth, and I just wanted to reconcile that with the 2022 revenue guidance growth. You talked about 94% backlog growth, new quote activity up 100% year over year.

Keeping that in mind, like, can you talk to like are you seeing any pressure or push outs from '22 into '23, if you could see some upside on the supply chain side for customers which could impact the guidance on the revenues positively?

Jason Whitaker -- Chief Executive Officer

Maheep, Jason Whitaker here. Good to speak with you again. Regarding potential pushout from 2022 to 2023, when you look at the visibility we have, and we do have phenomenal visibility. But when you look at that 2022 to 2023, it's really difficult to say and predict what that would look like over, let's say, 12 months from now.

And when you look at the guidance that we've actually provided, we're very comfortable with the guidance. As Phil had mentioned, we've seen significant growth in our backlog and awarded orders, and we've taken that into consideration when you look at the wide range of guidance that we provided based upon some of the supply chain things that we've seen both directly and indirectly.

Maheep Mandloi -- Credit Suisse -- Analyst

Gotcha, gotcha. And in terms of the material costs, logistics costs, can you just talk about like how should we think about that going forward if in case there was something similar, should we expect -- or are you renegotiating the contracts with the customers to pass it along? Or what would the strategy be impacting?

Jason Whitaker -- Chief Executive Officer

Yeah. Great question, Maheep. Just to remind everyone, we've talked about in prior earnings calls. When we go and we bid a project, we actually refresh that project based upon the current commodity.

And with that, we've been able to pass on all of the cost that we've seen as commodities have continued to increase over time. With the one exception, which again was not specifically aluminum or copper base, it was more of a value-add increase from one vendor, of which they passed on to us at time of ship. And again, we made that decision to absorb that versus pass that on to our customers. From a logistics perspective, we've definitely seen increase in pricing from a logistics standpoint.

And Phil, correct me if I'm wrong, but when you look at the revenue that we actually get from a logistics perspective compared to the revenue we generate from our products, it is single-digit percentage, like low, low, low single-digit percentage, almost not even single digits. So when you see private situations like that, it doesn't have a meaningful impact on our product itself. And again, from a shipping perspective, I would say the only other comment that I have to add there is, we have seen some shipping possibly elongate a little bit from a timing perspective but nothing significant.

Maheep Mandloi -- Credit Suisse -- Analyst

Thanks. And just one last one, housekeeping from me, and then jump back in the queue. So looking at the tax receivable liabilities on the balance sheet and they increased by around roughly $50 million in the year. Could you just remind us of what is that related to? Thanks.

Phil Garton -- Chief Financial Officer

I'll handle that. Yes, TRA is really a benefit to the company in the long term. And what it amounts to is there's -- I don't know what the current number, but I know when we did our IPO, there was about 115 companies that had done TRA before. Anyway, what it allows to -- amounts to is there's a structure where it captures this future amortization tax deduction, so for better taxes for us, lower taxes and 85% of that goes to the previous owners, and 15% of that goes to -- stays with the company, which is the normal spread.

So what you see then is you have a long-term payable and then you have a differed tax asset on the asset side that offsets, you noticed the asset is greater than the liability, which shows the positive nature of it for the company. You're just kind of getting a look at future tax payments that in reality go to the prior owner rather than going to the taxing authorities.

Maheep Mandloi -- Credit Suisse -- Analyst

Got it. Yeah, I'll follow up in detail later on. Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from Philip Shen from ROTH Capital. Please go ahead.

Philip Shen -- ROTH Capital Partners -- Analyst

Everyone, thanks for taking my questions. First one is on the '22 revenue guide. I was wondering if you might be able to break out the geographic mix of the guide. And maybe talk through the risk around revenues as it relates to module supply with your customers.

And if you can also talk about what percentage of that '22 revenue might be new products as opposed to conventional or the older products? That would be great. Thanks.

Jason Whitaker -- Chief Executive Officer

Phil, Jason here. Pleasure to speak with you again. When you look at the backlog and awarded orders and as far as the new products are concerned, Phil, we're not really breaking down the exact mix from new products or international. But one of the things I do want to point out alongside of the backlog and award order growth, as you can see, and we talked about the number of customers that have continued to convert over to our full system BLA solution.

Based upon that, as you would expect, a meaningful portion of that backlog and awarded orders falls in line with our BLA full system solution offering. From a modular perspective, Phil, one of the things that I do want to point out, although we have seen -- continue to see some volatility with project delays, I mean, some projects have moved in, some projects have moved out. It hasn't necessarily been around complete redesign like we've seen in prior quarters. And where I'm going with that is that there are more optimization and tweaks versus complete redesign and module changeouts.

And I'm not too sure -- maybe that's a direct result of, for example, WRO which has been with us for quite some time, as you well know, you've done a great job covering that. If that's been around where the industry has been able to manage around some of the issues by derisking the ultimate choices or in some cases, maybe panel manufacturers gaining a better understanding of what's required to provide a smooth transition at CBP.

Philip Shen -- ROTH Capital Partners -- Analyst

Great. Thanks for the color there, Jason. You know, today, you announced a new manufacturing facility. With what's going on in Europe and the potential tremendous growth that we could see there as a result of the continent moving away from Russian gas, what would it take to expand manufacturing capacity perhaps either to Europe or another international location? Is that on the map at all? Or is that too distant to consider at this point?

Jason Whitaker -- Chief Executive Officer

You know, Phil, from a manufacturing perspective, as of right now, our current plans are to continue to manufacture our product in North America, which is part of the reason why we did make the decision to go ahead and invest in that additional manufacturing facility, which allows us to over double our manufacturing capacity and further optimize our footprint in our existing manufacturing locations.

Philip Shen -- ROTH Capital Partners -- Analyst

Great, thanks, Jason. I'll pass it on.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from Colin Rusch from Oppenheimer. Please go ahead.

Colin Rusch -- Oppenheimer and Company -- Analyst

Thanks so much, guys. If you move into Latin America and Europe, I'm just curious about how many customers are familiar customers or folks that you already have in the pool of customers that you're speaking with for that growth?

Jason Whitaker -- Chief Executive Officer

I can't go into exact details as far as international specifics, but when you look at the customers that we're working with, we're really starting out at those utility developers and owners that we've worked with in North America. So the familiarity with [Inaudible] and the product from that perspective is extremely high. And then we navigate our way through companies such as EPCs or the like to be able to support the opportunities that we see in LatAm and even beyond.

Colin Rusch -- Oppenheimer and Company -- Analyst

OK. And then I guess you maybe addressed this earlier, but given what's happening with labor rates and labor availability, at what point do you start rethinking your pricing strategy and thinking about potentially raising prices more than just the commodity pass-through?

Jason Whitaker -- Chief Executive Officer

Yeah. That's a great question. And when you look at what we're focusing on right now is we're focusing on providing value and making -- and allowing that value to grow the company significantly, what you've seen in backlog and award orders being up almost 100%, average quoting activity being up well over 100%. So the key thing here is to continue to support that growth initiative.

But you are correct. When you have an environment like what we're experiencing today, with labor, the way it currently stands, that does allow us to provide even an additional level of value to our customers, specifically considering the fact that we are providing that solution in that full plug-and-play manner.

Colin Rusch -- Oppenheimer and Company -- Analyst

Great. Thanks, guys.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from Joseph Osha from Guggenheim Partners. Please go ahead.

Joseph Osha -- Guggenheim Partners -- Analyst

That's an interesting interpretation of Guggenheim. Hello, folks.

Jason Whitaker -- Chief Executive Officer

Hey, how's it going, Joseph?

Joseph Osha -- Guggenheim Partners -- Analyst

Very well, thank you. Just to amplify an earlier question, as you think about this backlog that you're reporting, how have you approached dealing with material pass-throughs? Do you have formal agreements in place that provide for any additional upside on copper or aluminum to be passed through to customers? Have you just gone out and hedged all that? How are you thinking about handling your material pricing puts going forward? And then I have one follow-up.

Jason Whitaker -- Chief Executive Officer

Yeah. No problem at all. So, you know, when you look at that, I mean, generally, we don't hedge copper or aluminum, and how we handle that is much like much the same that we've handled it for, I would say, the better part of eight to 10 years based upon lessons learned many years ago. So we'll go through, we'll quote the project to the customer.

And ultimately, as that project becomes more mature and get more advanced and get to the point of execution, each time that quote is cycled, we go back and we referenced the current commodity pricing. And that particular quote itself is good for seven days. So when we exercised that last revision before the PO is cut, we go through and we update the copper and aluminum -- and we passed that information over to our customer with a correlating price, either increase or reduction depending upon where the commodities are at that point in time. And then assuming that, that PO is exercised within a seven-day period, we've effectively locked our risk from a commodity perspective because that copper and aluminum is locked over that exact same seven-day duration.

And if for some reason, the PO is delayed, we'll go through another quote cycle to make sure that we're matching out commodities from the last quote to the time that the PO is executed.

Joseph Osha -- Guggenheim Partners -- Analyst

Right. So if I look at your current backlog, clearly you've got projects in there that you're not going to deliver on for a couple of quarters at least. But your customers are comfortable with this kind of series of rolling quotes and whatever that implies in terms of additional potential upside that they might have to pay to you as if copper prices go further?

Jason Whitaker -- Chief Executive Officer

Yeah. When you look at the backlog, when those particular projects are executed effectively, we are able to lock in whether that project is delivered in, for a sake of conversation, two days or two months. We, in turn, make that commitment to our partners, AKA vendors at that same level that our partners' customers made a commitment to us.

Joseph Osha -- Guggenheim Partners -- Analyst

OK. Great. Thank you. And then just more of a housekeeping question here, just as we kind of dial in our EBITDA, wondering if you can let us know for 2022, roughly how we should think about D&A and stock comp.

And that's it for me.

Phil Garton -- Chief Financial Officer

Well, depreciation and amortization will be about what it was this year, the uptick based upon the capital expenditures we made the prior year but won't be a major change. Even though we invested heavier than historically last year, it was still below -- it's still relatively low for a business. We're not very capital intensive for D&A. As far as the other question, I believe, was stock-based comp?

Joseph Osha -- Guggenheim Partners -- Analyst

Yes.

Phil Garton -- Chief Financial Officer

Jason, do you want to handle that? Or do you want me to?

Jason Whitaker -- Chief Executive Officer

Go ahead, Phil.

Phil Garton -- Chief Financial Officer

OK. I mean we're looking upon that there will be relatively consistent year over year. One thing we are seeing is that, of course, we're growing the number of people we have, the number of employees in the organization. So that will tend to drive it up, but we'll also run more of a normalized, since we're now a normal -- a more mature public company of more cash-based incentive comp rather than stock-based.

Jason Whitaker -- Chief Executive Officer

One of the things I want to add --

Joseph Osha -- Guggenheim Partners -- Analyst

Sorry, go ahead.

Jason Whitaker -- Chief Executive Officer

No, go ahead. Go ahead, please.

Joseph Osha -- Guggenheim Partners -- Analyst

Yeah. No. So I see about $11 million in stock comp and about $10 million in depreciation for calendar '21, I can think of those as kind of being moderate increases off of those numbers for 2022.

Phil Garton -- Chief Financial Officer

We don't give details in those. But yes, I would think, in general, yes.

Jason Whitaker -- Chief Executive Officer

OK, thank you very much. And one other thing I want to clarify since obviously, it's a slowdown in the EBITDA from a question earlier that brought it at, he had asked about gross margins being at 30%. We are not going to be at anywhere near that particular level from a gross margin perspective.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from Mark Strouse from J.P. Morgan. Please go ahead.

Mark Strouse -- J.P. Morgan -- Analyst

Yeah. Good evening. Thanks for taking our questions. I think most of them have been asked.

I did want to come back and ask a slightly different way of approaching Phil's question. When I look at the backlog, are you able to say kind of the materiality threshold, at least of what the EV charging portion of that is? And as we get throughout the year, and hopefully, that business becomes bigger as we expect, what are your plans as far as starting to break that out and changing your disclosures a bit?

Jason Whitaker -- Chief Executive Officer

Hey, Mark, Jason here. So when you look at it from an EV perspective, again, as we stated before, we're not breaking that down specifically right now. As we start to get a good cadence that's predictable so that we can provide that little information that's something that we'll definitely take into consideration. But when you look at where we are, I mean, we're obviously taking orders, shipping orders.

The pipeline and quoting volumes are growing at a very rapid pace. The reality is that we're still at the early stages of product introduction. So it's one of the key focuses, along with our other growth initiatives that we're focusing on, very excited about what we've been able to accomplish and absolutely elated in the feedback that we've received from our customers in the market.

Mark Strouse -- J.P. Morgan -- Analyst

I'll take the rest offline. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from Kashy Harrison from Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.

Kashy Harrison -- Piper Sandler -- Analyst

Good evening, and thanks for taking the questions. So first one for me, I was wondering if you could maybe just give us an update on the competitive landscape. Wondering if you're seeing any new entrants entering the EBOS space?

Jason Whitaker -- Chief Executive Officer

Yeah. From a competitive landscape perspective, as far as competitors are out there, it's pretty much the same as what we've seen we've talked about in the past, I mean, essentially back to the time that we actually initially went public.

Kashy Harrison -- Piper Sandler -- Analyst

Got it. And then just one follow-up on the guidance. Can you give us a sense of how you're thinking about the mix of systems to components during 2022 on the revenue side? Thank you.

Jason Whitaker -- Chief Executive Officer

I can't give an exact breakdown, but just kind of pointing back to the BLA taking market share, which is one of those slides that we continue to update, it's going to be updated on the investor deck that we have posted on our website. We've seen significant increase just in the last 12 months of over 4x the number of customers that we converted and an additional 15 that are currently in that prospect in conversion state. So very excited from that perspective. That's one of the key initiatives that we're focusing on.

And what I can tell you is that the hard work and dedication of our organization, including sales team has put forth to generate that type of demand, a meaningful portion of that does come in the form of our full system solutions as you would expect with those customers that we're working with.

Kashy Harrison -- Piper Sandler -- Analyst

Got it. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from Jeff Osborne from Cowen and Company. Please go ahead.

Jeff Osborne -- Cowen and Company -- Analyst

Yeah, good evening. I had two questions on my side. I was wondering, Jason, if you had any comments on the 8-K that you filed with Dean's departure. I was just curious how you're going to keep the culture of the company intact with his departure.

Jason Whitaker -- Chief Executive Officer

Yeah. I mean from a culture perspective, as you can imagine, a lot of the members that we have on our team have been here for a very long time, which I think really valued for the culture that we have within our organization. And when you look at as Dean exiting, I feel like the -- he felt like the company was in a great place. The company actually had a great team.

He's been working for well over 40-plus years. He built this company from the ground up and he essentially just wanted to take a step back and focus on other things in life at this point.

Jeff Osborne -- Cowen and Company -- Analyst

Got it. And then my second question was just on the -- can you remind us of the current capacity that you have? What utilization that is? And then as we think about the new capacity that you're being built, if you could just articulate how much that will cost to build out? And then also, when it will be online, that would be helpful.

Jason Whitaker -- Chief Executive Officer

Yes. We haven't provided any exact specifics on the current capacity that we have, Jeff. And when you look at when this particular facility will be online, we're definitely moving very fast. When you say online, it's kind of difficult to quantify exactly what that is because the reality is we're already occupying that facility in some magnitude.

So obviously, as we continue to go through and optimize our other facilities and expand this out, we're going to continue to build in the capacity that's needed to support the significant demand that we're seeing in the market today.

Jeff Osborne -- Cowen and Company -- Analyst

Got it. I thought you had made comments in the past that you could double your revenue without adding capacity. So that's what I was trying to get at, but maybe I'm mistaken.

Jason Whitaker -- Chief Executive Officer

Yeah. We've not released out any updated information from that regard, Jeff. But I guess just to remind everybody what we did say is that when we closed out calendar year 2020, we had about 1.8 times the available capacity that was required to support that year's system solution products.

Jeff Osborne -- Cowen and Company -- Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. [Operator instructions] Your next question comes from Brett Castelli from Morningstar. Please go ahead.

Brett Castelli -- Morningstar -- Analyst

Yeah, hi, thanks for taking my questions. I guess the first one, just on the BLA products. I think you guys have seen good traction with the EPC customer community. Just curious if you can update us on discussions with the developers.

Jason Whitaker -- Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, absolutely. And those conversations with developers and owners and utilities alike are key and instrumental because when you look at that full system BLA solution, it does provide a significant amount of day one value in the labor and material savings that you can see, but it also provides significant value over the life of that asset in the form of increased reliability and reduction in O&M. So working with those owners and developers has been one of the key goals that we've been focusing on. And part of the reason why we've seen the success that we've seen in the growth that we've experienced as they started to realize that value proposition of that full system solution.

Brett Castelli -- Morningstar -- Analyst

OK, I'll leave it there. Thanks, Jason.

Operator

Thank you. There are no questions in the queue at this time. [Operator signoff]

Duration: 52 minutes

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Jason Whitaker -- Chief Executive Officer

Phil Garton -- Chief Financial Officer

Brian Lee -- Goldman Sachs -- Analyst

Maheep Mandloi -- Credit Suisse -- Analyst

Philip Shen -- ROTH Capital Partners -- Analyst

Colin Rusch -- Oppenheimer and Company -- Analyst

Joseph Osha -- Guggenheim Partners -- Analyst

Mark Strouse -- J.P. Morgan -- Analyst

Kashy Harrison -- Piper Sandler -- Analyst

Jeff Osborne -- Cowen and Company -- Analyst

Brett Castelli -- Morningstar -- Analyst

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