SelectQuote, Inc. (SLQT) Q3 2022 Earnings Call Transcript

SelectQuote, Inc. (SLQT -3.12%)
Q3 2022 Earnings Call
May 05, 2022, 8:30 a.m. ET

Contents:

• Prepared Remarks
• Questions and Answers
• Call Participants

Prepared Remarks:

Operator

Welcome to the SelectQuote's third quarter earnings conference call. [Operator instructions] It is now my pleasure to introduce Matt Gunter, SelectQuote investor relations. Mr. Gunter, you may begin your conference.

Matt Gunter -- Investor Relations

Thank you and good morning, everyone. Welcome to SelectQuote's fiscal third quarter earnings call. Before we begin our call, I would like to mention that on our website, we have provided a slide presentation to help guide our discussion. After today's call, a replay will also be available on our website.

Joining me from the company, I have our chief executive officer, Tim Danker; and chief financial officer, Raff Sadun. Following Tim and Raff's comments today, we will have a question-and-answer session. [Operator instructions] As referenced on Slide 2, during this call, we will be discussing some non-GAAP financial measures. The most directly comparable GAAP financial measures and the reconciliation of the differences between the GAAP and non-GAAP financial measures are available in our earnings release and investor presentation on our website.

And finally, a reminder that certain statements made today may be forward-looking statements. These statements are made based upon management's current expectations and beliefs concerning future events impacting the company, and therefore, involve a number of uncertainties and risks, including but not limited to, those described in our earnings release, annual report on Form 10-K, and other filings with the SEC. Therefore, the actual results of operations or financial condition of the company could differ materially from those expressed or implied in our forward-looking statements. And with that, I'd like to turn the call over to our chief executive officer, Tim Danker.

Tim?

Tim Danker -- Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, Matt. Good morning and thank you all for joining us. In my remarks today, I'll touch on two topics. First, I'll summarize the quarter and how we saw encouraging sequential improvement in our senior business during the OEP compared to AEP.

Second, I'll provide an update on the strategic redesign we discussed on our last call. It's certainly too early to declare victory, but we observed tangible improvement over the past quarter due to our preliminary actions, which gives us confidence a lower growth, returns-focused strategy is the best way to capitalize on the significant value opportunity we still see in Medicare Advantage distribution. With that, let's start on Slide 3 with highlights from our fiscal third quarter. As I noted, our senior business performed better in OEP as compared to AEP across a number of key performance indicators.

Our agents delivered higher conversion rates, driven primarily by more comprehensive onboarding, training, and longer agent tenure. Again, early days. But this observed close rate improvement supports our plan to hire earlier and carry a higher mix of tenured core agents in future seasons. The second operating highlight in our senior business was a significant improvement in marketing costs, driven by our decision to optimize marketing partners and refine customer segmentation and targeting.

Additionally, better conversion rates by our agents helped reduce cost per approved policy and overall marketing efficiency. Lastly, going forward, we are placing even greater emphasis on the cash flow and profitability of our business, and we are pleased with our early actions to reduce costs as part of our developed plan that should yield over $200 million of cost savings, excluding SelectRx. About 20% of that total comes from fixed cost reductions, which were implemented during the quarter. We'll provide more detail on those actions in a minute but again, these early steps give us an increased conviction in our redesigned path to profitability.

Turning to our financials. The quarter was better than our expectations, driven largely by the actions I just summarized. Our revenue totaled $275 million, up 4% compared to a year ago. And our adjusted EBITDA for the quarter was $13 million compressed primarily because of the year-over-year pressure on MA LTVs.

Lastly, our Population Health and SelectRx businesses continued their momentum in the quarter. We ended the third quarter with around 20,000 active SelectRx members and now total over 23,000 active members as of April 30th. We remain very confident in our ability to surpass 25,000 members by the end of fiscal 2022. That would equate to more than a ten-fold increase in pharmacy members since we first acquired the business in May of 2021 and demonstrates the potential of the comprehensive healthcare services platform we are building to drive significant future revenue and profitability to our business.

It is also important to understand our Population Health initiatives are much broader than just prescription drugs in SelectRx. Our holistic approach in partnering with a diverse set of leading healthcare service providers will continue to differentiate SelectQuote, as well as deepen our relationships with policyholders and carriers. While many of the services beyond SelectRx are not yet significant revenue drivers in an explicit sense, we believe these diverse services will drive new revenue streams and deeper relationships with our customers, carriers, and providers over time and ultimately boost our returns and profitability. On Slide 4, I'd like to review our ongoing strategy and provide detail on progress we have made thus far.

First, it's worth reiterating that the remainder of fiscal 2022 and next season will be a transition year for SelectQuote. That said, we've become increasingly confident in our plan over the past 90 days based upon the early impact we have seen in our results. As you can see here, our strategy encompasses four core pillars, which are all focused on improving SelectQuote's profitability and the predictability of our returns. At last, we're committed to a growth strategy prioritizing returns, visibility, and growing cash flow over volume.

To be clear, we believe the opportunity remains large and long tailed in our senior business. That said, years of 100%-plus growth in policies are candidly less likely in our future. And as we've noted, our initial policy forecast for 2023 assumes a year-over-year decline in submitted policies to right size our organization. That leads to the second component of our strategy, which is to mitigate our operational risk or effectively reduce our operating leverage.

As we noted last quarter, we are committed to a senior business strategy that can produce attractive returns in a wide range of environments. Clearly, the 2021 AEP season was unique, but we believe the cost savings we have identified thus far will go a long way in ensuring better returns, even during challenging seasons. At this point, the bulk of the $200 million we have identified will come from lower growth and variable costs. That said, I want to emphasize that we will remain focused on high return on investment capital allocation.

In the quarters ahead, you can expect updates across a number of these initiatives, including agent hiring, onboarding, marketing, and our G&A. Perhaps even more importantly, the planned pullback in Medicare policy production allows us to refine our sales, marketing, and operational approach, placing greater focus on cash efficiency, profitability, and riding business with greater potential to persist over the long term. For example, we plan to take a more conservative approach to our recruiting, training, and onboarding of new agents, ensuring that all will be fully prepared for the AEP busy season. We anticipate by next AEP, our agent force will be a more tenured group than the 2021 AEP team.

The pullback also allows us to reassess and optimize our training tools and systems that support our agents and their important role of advising customers on the best plan for their unique needs. And the pullback allows us to optimize our marketing sources and to refine our targeting to focus more investment on the highest LTV-producing lead sources going forward. If we move to the next pillar, we continue to bake more conservatism into our expectations for LTV. Recall from the last quarter, we significantly increased our constraint from 6% to 15%.

In addition, lower persistency in each of the recent cohorts has been incorporated into our LTV accounting. Raff will expand on this point. The key takeaway is that while we cannot confirm LTV as a bottom, we believe volatility going forward has been significantly reduced. While we're still in the very early stages of layering in additional retention-focused operational improvements following AEP, we are encouraged by the early indicators we are seeing from some of our efforts.

For instance, learning more and more refined customer targeting based upon revised datasets and optimizations of our marketing sources aided in our conversion rates in the third quarter. And we believe that we will eventually see observable improvements in persistency with these customers over the long term. Lastly, as I noted before in the update on SelectRx, we believe our differentiated approach to broader healthcare services will create a significant competitive advantage in the years ahead. From SelectRx to the creation of our healthcare advisory board to the growing number of services we and our partners provide to customers, SelectQuote should become a stickier and more important relationship to customers, carriers, and providers.

We're excited to share more about these growing capabilities in the quarters and the years ahead. Lastly, let me turn to Slide 5 to briefly describe some of the key differences we observed between the challenging AEP of last quarter and the recent OEP season. We know it can be difficult to track trends in our business, especially in a season as unique as this past one. To be clear, we're not providing this detail to suggest an ongoing trend, but instead want to give context, especially as it relates to the impact of our new strategy.

First, we saw significant improvement in our marketing cost per approved policy, which decreased 27% year over year. As I noted, less competition likely had some impact, but more importantly, we realized benefits from our work to optimize our marketing and to target higher return policyholders. Next, the more seasoned agent workforce in OEP relative to AEP confirmed our strategy to onboard and train earlier next season. We leverage the interval between the conclusion of AEP and the start of OEP to provide additional product and sales training to our agents and to fine tune our plan recommendation engine.

And we feel the conversion rate improvements we saw during third quarter demonstrate that these investments helped. Clearly, a tight labor market impacted our 2022 season. But regardless of the recruiting environment, we believe we can drive better productivity and conversion rates in future seasons with earlier onboarding and training. Third, as I highlighted before, we've already identified significant cost savings and we'll continue to optimize our platform to drive sustainable scale and profitability.

Lastly, we're most encouraged by the progress we continue to see in SelectRx and our broader Population Health initiatives. We continued our strong SelectRx customer growth momentum and ended April with over 23,000 active members. We look forward to sharing more, including our forward growth expectation in the coming quarters. That said, overall, we believe the biggest benefit to our business will come from our differentiated value proposition as we continue to evolve from a pure play insurance distributor to a comprehensive healthcare services platform addressing a far greater range of our customers health needs.

To conclude, my prepared remarks, I'll summarize by noting that while our work is far from finished, we are pleased with the progress demonstrated in the quarter and have growing conviction in the value our company can generate for shareholders in the future. With that, let me turn the call over to Raff to review our financial results. Raff?

Raff Sadun -- Chief Financial Officer

Thanks, Tim. Turning to Slide 6 and our consolidated results. During our last earnings call, we did say that while the margins of the business have certainly been compressed, we believe there are meaningful changes we can make that will have a positive impact on the senior distribution business going forward. And this quarter, we started to see some of the early benefits, especially around marketing, efficiency and close rates.

Consolidated revenue for the third quarter was $275 million and consolidated adjusted EBITDA was $13 million. Revenue was driven by growth in our senior business, which we will discuss later, somewhat offset by a reduction in our life business, driven by lower term life premium, which was the result of fewer agents and continued COVID pressure on conversion of sold policies to enforce policies. Our auto and home revenue was flat year over year. While we did see significant improvement in per unit operating expenses in our senior distribution business, down 19% year over year, the 32% decrease in MA revenue per approved policy more than offset the expense savings.

That plus the investment we're making to grow Population Health and SelectRx specifically negatively impacted adjusted EBITDA year over year. During the quarter, we took certain actions to cut fixed and variable cost out of the business. Excluding SelectRx, we expect our fiscal '23 overall operating costs will be over $200 million lower than fiscal '22 as a result of these actions and the lower policy production we are expecting for next year. We also made significant progress in scaling SelectRx, which I will also touch on later.

With that, let me now get into our senior operating results for the quarter. Turning to Slide 7, we grew our total approved policies 33% and our MA approved policies 48%. The MA policy growth was driven by more agents and better close rates year over year. This was a  reversal of the trend we saw during AEP.

We think some of this was driven by a less competitive marketing environment, optimization of our marketing sources, and the benefits of significant training we have done with our agent force, especially flex agents. We saw the biggest improvements in close rates relative to the trends we saw during AEP. MA LTVs were down year over year as a result of the factors we spoke about last quarter, lower persistency, higher provisions, and higher constraints. We did continue to see pressure relative to first term lapse rates and increased the first year provision for policies sold this quarter.

We've identified multiple opportunities to address continued persistency and entry or lapse pressure and implemented some of these initiatives toward the end of the quarter. While we believe these actually can have a positive impact, it is too early to tell and we expect the impact of higher intra-year lapse rates during OEP will weigh on losses for the remainder of the year. For policies sold in the second year and beyond, we are seeing modest overall improvements in intra-year lapses year over year, concentrated in years two and three, but still higher than our original expectations. Now moving on to operating costs.

While it may not be apparent because of the impact that lower LTV has on profitability, we made significant progress on operating more efficiently. Our per unit operating costs for our distribution business, excluding Population Health and SelectRx, were down around 19% or $190 to around $840. The majority of this improvement was driven by lower marketing costs, which were down about 27%. This improvement was driven by much more efficient marketing across the whole funnel, including lower cost per lead and higher year-over-year conversion rates driven by some of the actions I described above.

With respect to the cohort tail adjustment that we took last quarter, we don't currently expect to take any further negative adjustments relative to that calculation for this year's renewals when we formally recalculate the number in the fourth quarter. Now, if we turn to Slide 8, let me provide an update on the significant progress we've made growing our SelectRx pharmacy business. We continue to see the high level of consumer interest in and demand for the pharmacy services we offer. We ended our second quarter with nearly 8,000 members.

As of the end of April, we have now exceeded 23,000 members. This demand was generated almost entirely from enrollments of new and existing SelectQuote Medicare Advantage customers at very low incremental acquisition cost to the company. We remain excited about the positive and predictable cash flow impact this business can have on our overall results, and we remain confident with our forecast to exit this fiscal year with over 25,000 active SelectRx members, over 10 times what we started the year with. That number based would equate to a run rate of over $150 million of revenue in fiscal '23, even without adding any net new incremental members in fiscal '23.

Now if we move to Slide 9, let me provide an update on our capital position. Although the second quarter is always our biggest quarter for use of cash as we have all the expenses of operating during AEP, marketing costs and sales commissions, beginning in the third quarter, we start collecting the cash and first year commissions associated with AEP activity. For the quarter, we generated approximately $21 million of cash from operations. In addition, we used approximately $9 million of cash for capex.

As of March 31, 2022, we ended the quarter with $199 million of cash and $715 million of debt. We also ended the quarter with $1 billion of accounts receivable and short and long term commissions receivable balances. Finally, before I turn the call back to the operator for your questions, I'd like to comment on our guidance for our fiscal '22. As noted earlier, we are encouraged by the initial progress we have made and our positive results for the third quarter.

Similarly, we do not expect trends to differ meaningfully in the fourth quarter relative to the third quarter. That said, we will not be updating our fiscal year 2022 guidance at this point and instead are more focused on our fiscal '23 and beyond. We plan to share our specific views with you on the next quarter's earnings call. With that, let's get to your questions.

Operator?

Questions & Answers:

Operator

[Operator instructions] Your first question comes from the line of Daniel Grosslight with Citi.

Daniel Grosslight -- Citi -- Analyst

Hi, guys. Thanks for taking the question. I just want to stick on that reiteration of guidance, particularly on EBITDA and net income, because you did outperform pretty significantly on those two line items this quarter. And really in the senior segment, that outperformance really came through.

So I'm curious, was there any one time benefit in the third quarter to senior profitability that's not going to repeat? And can you just kind of walk us through the cadence for 4Q of EBITDA and that pretty steep decline, a reiteration of guidance implies for 4Q EBITDA.

Raff Sadun -- Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, maybe I'll take that one. We're obviously encouraged by the performance of the business in the third quarter, certainly relative to our revised expectations. We decided to leave the guidance unchanged as quite frankly, we're much more focused on developing the plan for fiscal '23 and beyond, which we plan to share on our fourth quarter earnings call. I think it's important, though, to be very, very clear that leaving the guidance unchanged is not a signal about the fourth quarter performance, and there were no sort of onetime benefits in the third quarter that the trends that we're seeing so far in the fourth quarter are not meaningfully different than what we saw in the third quarter.

So I wouldn't read more into that than just being conservative.

Daniel Grosslight -- Citi -- Analyst

Understood. OK. And then very encouraging trends in marketing. And you mentioned less competition for leads, which is good, but also optimizing your marketing channels.

I was curious if you can dig in to that latter point a little more. Are you shifting away from certain areas, perhaps direct TV, direct mailers to other, more productive marketing channels? What are those productive marketing channels? And related to that, CMS came out with some new rules that seem pretty prescriptive on how your agents will have to speak to Medicare members, particularly with some stock language at the beginning of the call. Curious how you're thinking about some of these new rules for marketing and even scripts for fiscal '23 and how that might impact productivity next year.

Bill Grant -- Chief Operating Officer

Yeah, so, this is Bill, and I'll take that. Certainly as it relates to marketing, I'd say we saw a benefit in a number of areas during OEP. One we had fewer agents, in terms of kind of the number of mouths we had to feed, so to speak, that we were delivering. So that gives us and our marketing team more ability, right, to optimize the funnel.

We had new data sets and learning, so we were able to take a lot of what we saw during AEP. And as Tim mentioned in the opening remarks, it was a unique AEP, so we were able to layer in and our data science team did a great job layering in these new data sets and really working with our marketing team to optimize what we were buying. And I would say to your question around, when we look at optimizing what we were buying, what does that mean? Are we cutting out channels or not? No, not really. We kind of look at it like that we still want a very wide funnel.

Within those channels, there's varying degrees of goodness and a mouth we might cut within a channel. So there may be one channel that is 90% good. And then ultimately we can we can let through the funnel and there may be another channel where only 10% is good and we let through the funnel. So we layered on a lot of those things.

And again, our marketing team did a really good job along with their sites with getting those things in place. And I think last just to comment some of the things that we did in regards to retraining, which Tim spoke about earlier, with our agents themselves and making sure that they were really up to speed on the benefits, the benefits of this year's plans also made a significant difference in being able to convert the raw marketing material. As it pertains to the CMS things, we feel like we're very well prepared in terms of already a lot of the things that we do within our scripts. And the marketing changes are really more around the things that you would see in online presentations in terms of the order in which that they present plans, which for us we've always been commission agnostic and are always going to go to the best plan for the consumer.

So really no effect there that we see and we're well prepared on that front.

Daniel Grosslight -- Citi -- Analyst

Got it. Appreciate the color. Thank you, guys.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Jeff Garro with Piper Sandler.

Jeff Garro -- Piper Sandler -- Analyst

Yeah. Good morning and thanks for taking the questions. I want to ask about the planned pullback in MA submissions for FY '23. What are the factors over the next couple of months that will influence the magnitude of that pullback you've signalled?

Tim Danker -- Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, Jeff. This is Tim. Good morning. And yeah, I think we're definitely pleased with the progress that we're making on the operational front.

Obviously, we think in light of the current market conditions, it's made sense to pull back a bit and really optimize. I think we highlighted on the prepared remarks, we are seeing a lot of really good early signs around what we're doing with respect to marketing, optimization and segmentation. A lot of good work done on the sale side on on retraining. We're going to come into next year with a much higher percentage of core tenured agents as opposed to more historically a higher percentage of flex agents.

We think there's some natural benefits from that. A lot of good work that we're doing on the carrier side. Really this is a drive for us to get cash EBITDA break even. Moving forward, we look forward to providing more specifics on that in the fiscal '23 guide we provide in August.

Jeff Garro -- Piper Sandler -- Analyst

Got it. Thanks for that. And to follow up, maybe ask a little bit more on the $200 million in expense reductions. Might be helpful for us if you could give a little more detail how that $200 million breaks down across the the different line items in your P&L.

Tim Danker -- Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, I'll start. Maybe have Raff provide some additional detail. We, as I just mentioned, I think it makes sense that to pull back and really focus our attention on cash flow unit economics. In total, we're going to move about $200 million of run rate cost savings in fiscal '23.

Excluding the necessary investments in SelectRx, which is very cash generative, that's a total of above variable sales and marketing costs. Those are our biggest cost driver, our people and leads, if you will. But we'd also note as part of that $200 million, we did identify about $40 million of fixed expenses that we're going to start to realize some benefits as early as this fiscal fourth quarter. Raff, anything you want to double click that on?

Raff Sadun -- Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, I guess just to reiterate, the biggest part of that savings is going to be on the marketing side, probably two-thirds or so of the savings followed by agent headcount fulfillment and then more fixed cost, so --

Jeff Garro -- Piper Sandler -- Analyst

Great. That helps. Thanks again.

Tim Danker -- Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, Jeff.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Jonathan Yong with Credit Suisse.

Jonathan Yong -- Credit Suisse -- Analyst

Hey, thanks for taking my question. I guess just in relation to the pullback and marketing spend that you're talking about, are there any concerns that the pullback may be too much where you may actually end up ceding market share as some of the MCOs have also talked about bulking up their own marketing capacity and internal sales force?

Tim Danker -- Chief Executive Officer

Jonathan, this is Tim. I'll speak first and then maybe ask Bob to  comment. I think in any scenario, we're going to continue to be a very significant and critical part of carrier distribution. This is a business that's historically -- policy growth of three-year CAGR north of 80%.

So even if we pull back, it's going to be a very significant player relative to almost anyone in the industry. We continue to see a significant amount of momentum with our carriers. I know there's been chatter in the industry about their commitment to direct to consumer. We're certainly not seeing any of that pullback.

They remain very strongly committed in the line of, as I quote, compensation. Still no changes there. Quite frankly, looking to continue to expand with our high quality model. So I think we're in very good shape there.

Bob, anything you'd like to comment on?

Bob Grant -- President, Senior Segment

No, I think that was really well said. And I think just simply put, no, our -- we are not concerned about that. Right now, we've had really good conversations with the carriers about it that focused on quality, 90-day persistency in all of the things that we are are doing to bolster the quality of the policies. The carriers are extremely supportive of and understand what that looks like and really could come with a -- it's obviously a decline in the overall number of submissions.

Not as big of a decline in the overall number of approved -- sorry, of effective policies there.

Jonathan Yong -- Credit Suisse -- Analyst

OK. And then just in terms of the marketing spend, again, everyone's kind of talked about optimizing their spend and going to specific marketing channels. I guess is there a concern that everyone may end up flooding a specific channel that they believe to be the -- to have the higher return and then thus inflating the CAC? Any thoughts there?

Bob Grant -- President, Senior Segment

I think that we're really well positioned to be able to deal with that with our approach because we're not narrowing down to a single channel. Like we're not saying, hey, we're eliminating TV or eliminating some other source. I'd be concerned about it for us if we were saying, OK, we're solely going to rely on one of those. But our attitude is more, hey, let's expand the number of channels kind of when you look at the top, but let's tighten ultimately what we actually let through the funnel.

So we've got an extremely tight -- ultimately, we'll look at a lot, but we'll only kind of consume a certain amount. We're very specific now about really what we've layered on in terms of our algorithms on what we'll buy and what we'll take. So we'll only take 5% of a certain channel or maybe 10% depending on kind of the quality that's coming through. But we certainly think that by remaining open and using kind of data to decide what we buy with the channel will be kind of a winning approach.

Jonathan Yong -- Credit Suisse -- Analyst

Great. Thanks.

Operator

[Operator instructions] Your next question comes from the line of Meyer Shields with KBW.

Tommy McJoynt -- KBW

Hey, good morning, guys. This is Tommy McJoynt on for Meyer. Thanks for taking our questions here. Just wanted to clarify, on the $200 million, is it meant to say that 80% of that is variable kind of the marketing and 20% is fixed? And then is that 20% or $40 million of that implies of fixed costs already actioned in terms of the takeouts or are those just identified in the third quarter?

Raff Sadun -- Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, no, great question. So 80% is variable and the biggest piece of that is marketing. But there's obviously agent cost reductions there just based on the pullback that we're expecting next year year over year for policy production and then corresponding performance as well. So it's a mix of all those things, but marketing is the biggest piece of the fix.

And then -- on the variable, sorry. And then on the fix side, yes, we took some actions in the third quarter to drive the vast majority of those fixed cost savings. They're not necessarily reflected in the full quarter results, but will start being reflected starting this quarter.

Tommy McJoynt -- KBW

Great. Thanks for clarifying that. And then switching over, could you talk about the expected increase in spend with SelectRx as that continues to grow? And just how do the benefits of scale improve those economics over time?

Tim Danker -- Chief Executive Officer

Yeah. I'll start there. I mean we're very pleased with the progress in SelectRx. I think we're becoming more and more confident about the potential of the business.

As we've stated 23,000 active paying members. We're very confident about the ability to exceed our original goal of 25,000 members by the end of fiscal '22, tenfold increase in a very short period of time. I think it really demonstrates a very tangible way the potential we have in healthcare services. Bob, you want to speak to other metrics and things around scale the business.

Bob Grant -- President, Senior Segment

Yeah. There, there is, uh some dollars that go into that growth because just like a more traditional kind of, say a SaaS or delivery business, right? You have to plan for the growth that's ahead. So it's got lower margins, to your point, as you're scaling but then it gets to a more stable place. I'll let Raff speak to what percentage that is, but it's still an extremely cash-efficient business when you look at it.

And those margins expand pretty quickly through the life of a customer and the payback period is pretty fast. Raff, do you want to comment on payback and then ultimately what those margins look like?

Raff Sadun -- Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, I guess certainly a new member, we still expect to be cash flow positive within the first year. As we are scaling the business and as new members represent a very large percent of the overall book, that obviously weighs on margins in the short and medium term but as the business grows over time and new members added or a smaller percent of the overall membership base, most of the costs outside of drug costs really are geared toward onboarding new customers. And so as that percent of new goes down over time, the margins will increase from there. We also expect to get some drug margin scale benefits as we continue to scale the business.

Tommy McJoynt -- KBW

Great. Thanks for taking the questions.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Jim Massocca with FactSet. Jim, your line is open.

Elizabeth Anderson

Hi. This is actually Joe on for Elizabeth Anderson from Evercore. Apologies for that. But maybe just asking a bit about the life business in the quarter.

Life business EBITDA was a little bit weak in the quarter. Was there anything that -- in particular that caused that? And then kind of how are you thinking about it in 4Q? And then just a quick follow up after that.

Raff Sadun -- Chief Financial Officer

Yep. Maybe I'll touch on that first. So the Life business is predominantly driven by sort of legacy term life, part of that business, which is actually consistent with our expectations during the quarter. The third quarter is seasonally a strong quarter for sales, so we have cost, specifically marketing, in the third quarter that drives fourth quarter revenue.

In terms of the third quarter revenue, we had less agents selling year over year during our second quarter. And given the three-month lag between upfront sale and enforced policy, that impacted the third quarter revenue and hence sort of the profitability of the third quarter. It was also compounded by continued COVID pressures early in the quarter with the rise of omicron that impacted our in-force conversion rates. So paramedic examiners visits were impacted by that.

We had -- I think those examiners also had staffing issues and some of the carriers had processing delays. So we did start to see some of those pressures improve toward the end of the quarter. And then in the fourth quarter, you see that the sort of the benefit of the seasonal selling season within the third quarter. Bill, anything that you would add to that?

Bill Grant -- Chief Operating Officer

No, I would say just to reemphasize, I mean, COVID certainly has impacted the term life business uh, fairly significantly. And when you look at kind of the, I would say twofold, right? You have, getting in people's homes, which people were very reluctant. Lots of cancelations and ah, exams, delays and what we call our CRI -- ARS, which is basically taking, moving that to -- moving that along and the funnel was delayed. And then you had major kind of staffing issues beyond that, that existed in a tough labor with a lot of the carriers actually processing some of that.

We are seeing some very positive signs as we kind of got -- getting out of what feels like light at the end of the tunnel with the decline kind of with COVID and feel like we're pretty optimistic that we can get back to kind of where we were traditionally on how those -- that business moved up through the funnel.

Elizabeth Anderson

Thank you for that. That's super helpful. And then maybe just as a quick follow up, obviously, the conversion rate was strong within senior. I think there had been a trend to try to have some more tenured agents potentially flex between different divisions within the business.

Was there any element of shifting some of those more tenured, maybe traditional life agents over into senior, knowing those dynamics were kind of happening within life within the period?

Bob Grant -- President, Senior Segment

Good question. But no, that was not due to shifting, really. The tenured agent percentage we're talking about was just more of a steep cut to that flex group retraining of kind of the lower performing flex agents and then ultimately really optimizing the way we deliver also. If you look through our productivity, we actually were mildly down year over year with the large decline in cost per acquisitions.

That's because we did limit more of lead volume to our lower performing agents, given kind of some of the economic pressure and things like that, which did drive our CPA down. So, really, really pleased with the results there on what that looks like, also pleased with what that means for the future as that kind of what we had on paper came true in that -- in Q3. So I feel really strong about what we can do with that, but that was not due to flex.

Elizabeth Anderson

Thank you. Congrats on the quarter.

Bob Grant -- President, Senior Segment

Thank you.

Operator

That concludes our question-and-answer session. I will now turn the call back over to Tim Danker for closing remarks.

Tim Danker -- Chief Executive Officer

Yeah. Thank you all again for joining us this morning. To recap, we've been really proud of the early results of the strategy update. I think most notably, the sequential results we've seen in OEP, certainly the momentum we have in SelectRx.

As I noted, SelectQuote will continue to transition over the course of this year and next. But overall, we're very encouraged by the early of the actions we're taking. We look forward to sharing more about our progress on the quarter ahead. And thank you very much.

Have a great day.

Operator

[Operator signoff]

Duration: 41 minutes

Call participants:

Matt Gunter -- Investor Relations

Tim Danker -- Chief Executive Officer

Raff Sadun -- Chief Financial Officer

Daniel Grosslight -- Citi -- Analyst

Bill Grant -- Chief Operating Officer

Jeff Garro -- Piper Sandler -- Analyst

Jonathan Yong -- Credit Suisse -- Analyst

Bob Grant -- President, Senior Segment

Tommy McJoynt -- KBW

Elizabeth Anderson

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