Compass Pathways Plc (CMPS) Q1 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

Compass Pathways Plc (CMPS -1.29%)
Q1 2023 Earnings Call
May 11, 2023, 8:00 a.m. ET

Contents:

• Prepared Remarks
• Questions and Answers
• Call Participants

Prepared Remarks:

Operator

Good day and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the COMPASS Pathways first-quarter 2023 conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session.

[Operator instructions] Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Steven Schultz. Please go ahead.

Steve Schultz -- Senior Vice President, Investor Relations

Welcome all of you and thank you for joining us today for our first-quarter 2023 results conference call. Again, my name is Steve Schultz. I'm senior vice president of investor relations at COMPASS Pathways. Today, I'm joined by Kabir Nath, our chief executive officer; Dr.

Guy Goodwin, our chief medical officer; and Mike Falvey, our chief financial officer. The call is being recorded and will be available on the COMPASS Pathways Investor Relations website shortly after the conclusion of the call. Before we begin, let me remind everyone that during the call today, the team will be making forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 as amended. You should not place undue reliance on these forward-looking statements.

Actual events or results could differ materially from those expressed or implied by any forward-looking statements as a result of various risks, uncertainties, and other factors including those risks and uncertainties described under the heading Risk Factors in our quarterly report on Form 10-Q filed with the US Securities and Exchange Commission and in subsequent filings made by COMPASS with the SEC. Additionally, these forward-looking statements represent our views only as of today and should not be relied upon as representing our views of any subsequent date. We specifically disclaim any obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statements even if our estimates or assumptions change. And with that, I will now hand the call over to Kabir Nath.

Kabir Nath -- Chief Executive Officer

Thank you, Steve. Good day, everyone, and thank you for joining us. During this past quarter, COMPASS Pathways has continued to make excellent progress with our COMP360 phase 3 pivotal program in treatment-resistant depression, or TRD, with patients being treated in both trials. You may recall that, on our fourth quarter conference call, we said that we expected the FDA to come back to us with comments on pivotal trial design amendments by March the 20th.

We've now received comments for both the 005 and 006 trial designs. While I won't go into the details of our interactions with the FDA, I will say that the comments reflected an active and thoughtful dialogue. As you would expect, with a drug development program that has Breakthrough designation, we will have ongoing engagement with the FDA more broadly over the whole course of the development program. The upshot is that we are continuing to execute both the 005 and 006 trials as described in our February conference call and, importantly, with no changes to the trial design.

We also continued to expect top-line results for the six-week primary endpoint for 005 in summer of 2024 and for 006 in mid-2025. On the reimbursement front, the American Medical Association has accepted a current procedural terminology, or CPT III code, for psychedelic therapies. This was a very welcome development and the result of a collaboration between COMPASS Pathways and MAPS Public Benefit Corporation. Once effective, the CPT code will provide physicians and other qualified healthcare professionals with a means to track the work involved and ultimately seek reimbursement for delivering psychedelic therapies.

Existing codes can provide coverage for the preparation and integration sessions, but the new code will fill a gap and cover psychological support during administration. The full details of the code are expected to be released by the AMA in July this year, and the code will go into effect when it's published on January the 1st, 2024. Currently, clinicians are forced to use various different codes cobbled together to gain reimbursement for approved medicines that require observation or support during administration. This tracking code is a crucial step toward a single code that covers psychological support for therapies like COMP360, subject to FDA approval, and it's a critical step toward obtaining reimbursement.

This helps enable broad and equitable access to psychedelic therapies. This ensures that FDA-approved psychedelic therapies could be integrated into healthcare systems, reimbursed by payers, and made available to the people who need them. Finally, we've continued our active engagement with biotech specialist investors. We've continued to communicate the depth and the progress of our programs and the strength of our value creation proposition in an area of significant unmet medical need.

Since the beginning of this year, we've raised roughly $28 million from sales under our ATM facility, including a large block trade in April. With that, let me now hand the call over to Dr. Guy Goodwin to provide further clinical updates.

Guy Goodwin -- Chief Medical Officer

Thank you, Kabir, and good day, all. Let me begin with a review of our COMPASS-sponsored clinical programs. In TRD, as you heard from Kabir, the phase 3 program is progressing as planned, and we are actively treating patients in both trials. We are pleased with the rate of opening of clinical sites.

This is a significant achievement as it's a complicated process to ensure that clinical sites that are cleared to handle a Schedule 1 compound are appropriately trained and can recruit suitable patients. This level of infrastructure is unprecedented and one that we believe represents a significant competitive advantage for COMPASS, both in this and future programs. Once sites surpass this stage, they are better able to concentrate on recruitment and patient management. I would, therefore, expect to see continued progress and acceleration on those fronts.

Beyond treatment-resistant depression, our phase 2 studies in PTSD and anorexia nervosa continue to progress well and are on track. In the anorexia nervosa study, we told you on our last call that we had encountered some challenges in getting patients into and through the screening process. I'm pleased to report that we are now making excellent progress after amending and adjusting our procedures to enable recruitment more in line with our expectations. We look forward to updating you on future calls regarding expected timing.

Looking beyond our sponsored trials to investigator-led studies, we continue to see encouraging data coming from these programs. In March, data on the use of COMP360 with psychological support in 12 patients with treatment-resistant body dysmorphic disorder, or BDD, were published in the Journal of Psychiatric Research. Individuals with BDD are preoccupied by aspects of their appearance that they misperceive as defective or ugly. In this study of a single 25-milligram dose of COMP360, primary treatment effect was measured with the BDD-YBOCS score which improved significantly over the 12 weeks of follow-up, with a large effect size and significant changes from baseline seen at week one and persisting through week 12, the duration of the study.

At week 12, seven participants, or 58%, were considered responders. Secondary measures of BDD symptom severity, conviction of beliefs, depression, negative effects, psychological insight, and disability all similarly showed significant improvement. Tolerability and safety were evidenced by completion of all study visits by all participants and that no serious adverse events or occurrences of suicidal ideation were reported. The signals we see in this BDD study align with the hypothesis that difficult-to-treat disorders with preoccupying thoughts or fears represent potential target indications for COMP360 psilocybin therapy.

This comes on the heel of another IIS we told you about in February that evaluated a single 25-milligram dose of COMP360 psilocybin therapy in 14 patients with type II bipolar depression, another condition for which treatment options are limited. This study produced very compelling data with 12 of 14 patients, or 86%, achieving remission at 12 weeks after administration without a resumption of antidepressant medication. It is this kind of information that these studies were designed to generate, understanding the potential of COMP360 in other indications with significant unmet need. These data sets also reinforce our confidence in our phase 3 program.

I would expect to see additional interesting data from such studies as we move through this year. I will now hand the call to Mike for the financial overview.

Mike Falvey -- Chief Financial Officer

Thank you, Guy. I'll now recap our first-quarter financial results. For the three months ended March 31st, 2023, net loss was $24.2 million, or $0.57 per share, including noncash share-based compensation of $4.1 million, compared to net loss of $21.2 million, or $0.50 per share, including noncash share-based compensation of $3.1 million for the three months ended March 31st, 2022. I will now turn to an analysis of the three months ended March 31st, 2023 compared to the prior quarter ended December 31st, 2022.

For the three months ended March 31st, 2023, net loss was $24.2 million, or $0.57 per share, compared with a net loss of $30.9 million, or $0.73 per share, for the three months ended December 31st, 2022. These results include noncash share-based compensation of $4.1 million for the first quarter of 2023 and $3.3 million in the fourth quarter of 2022. Our first-quarter financial results reflect our continued success in progressing our phase 3 trial in treatment-resistant depression. In line with our expectations, cash used in operations was $27.7 million, in the middle of the guidance range we provided last quarter.

R&D expenses were $19 million in the three months ended March 31st, 2023, compared with $19.8 million in the three months ended December 31st, 2022. The slight decrease was mainly caused by lower external development expenses due to the change in our phase 3 design. This decrease was partially offset by increased personnel costs. G&A expenses were $12.8 million in the three months ended March 31st, 2023, compared with $12.4 million in the three months ended December 31st, 2022.

This increase was due to increased personnel and legal costs, partially offset by decreased facilities and other expenses. Our cash balance decreased by $26 million in the first quarter of 2023 due to using $27.7 million in operating cash, partially offset by $1.1 million provided by financing activities due primarily to the sale of shares under our ATM facility and a change of $0.7 million due to exchange rates impacts. The movement in operating cash is primarily driven by our net loss, partially reduced by noncash charges. Regarding guidance, we expect the second quarter net cash used in operating activities to be between 22 million and 30 million and the full year to be between $85 million and $110 million.

The size of the second quarter range is due to the challenge in predicting the precise timing of cash outlays to support our phase 3 program in its early stages. As the trial reaches steady-state enrollment, we expect to offer a narrower quarterly and annual range. COMPASS continues to maintain a strong financial position with cash and cash equivalents of $117.1 million at March 31st, 2023, compared with $143.2 million at December 31st, 2022. In addition to our first-quarter cash balance, in the second quarter, we have received net proceeds of $26.9 million through the share -- sale of shares under our ATM facility, which has further strengthened our cash position and extended our runway.

We view our strong balance sheet as an important strategic asset, which we manage carefully as we invest to advance these promising potential therapies while, at the same time, continuing to create value for our shareholders. Thank you, and I'll now turn the call back to Kabir.

Kabir Nath -- Chief Executive Officer

Thank you, Mike. In closing, let me say that now as a phase 3 company, COMPASS Pathways leads the way in the development of psychedelic therapies. We believe these therapies represent the next generation of mental health therapeutic options. There's a significant and growing number of people across the world suffering from serious mental illness who are not helped by existing standards of care.

We must act with urgency on their behalf. Most programs in this area of science today are unproven, early stage, and risky. We've established a high bar for evidence regarding safety and efficacy. Many of those early stage clinical studies will likely fail to meet their primary endpoints as we have seen with news from some other studies earlier this year.

As Guy noted, we're progressing as expected in our phase 3 program in treatment-resistant depression. While we ultimately expect to leverage our extensive data set to expand the development of COMP360 into a range of areas of unmet need, TRD is our first target indication and our clear focus. To this end, we continue to advance our commercial strategy on a number of fronts as we move through the phase 3 program toward an NDA submission with the FDA. The CPT III code, as discussed earlier, is a prime example of a successful step forward with our commercial approach and a clear indication that it can translate to significant value creation.

As Mike noted, we continue to be in a solid financial position with a strong balance sheet to help us advance these promising therapies. We are making strong, meaningful progress in our work to develop and deliver new therapeutic solutions to patients who suffer from difficult-to-treat mental health conditions. Thank you again for your participation on today's call. We'll now turn to Q&A, so I'll hand this back to the operator.

Questions & Answers:

Operator

[Operator instructions] Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. One moment for our first question. Our first question comes from Elemer Piros from EF Hutton. Your line is open.

Elemer Piros -- EF Hutton -- Analyst

Yes, good morning. Congratulations on putting in the temporary CPT code, Kabir. Maybe one question about that is, how precedented or not having a code established one to two years before either MAPS or you are going to launch a psychedelic therapy? And maybe if you could contrast this to the situation with J&J's Spravato, which may have -- J&J may have not been as prepared as you may be. And if you wouldn't mind comparing the treatment regimen with COMP360 to Spravato, especially considering that a patient would have to spend eight times two hours in a clinic in the first month to receive that treatment.

And -- and just your take on J&J's first announcement of after, I think, four years of recording an annualized $500 million or so in revenue with that drug. I was wondering if you could provide a little comparison between the two.

Kabir Nath -- Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, Elemer. The question -- just to check, you can hear us clearly.

Elemer Piros -- EF Hutton -- Analyst

Yes, I can.

Kabir Nath -- Chief Executive Officer

OK, great. Thank you. So, no, thank you for the question. And I think, yes, you raise a couple of very important points here around the CPT code.

So, I think, first, let's understand that, as I said, there are existing codes that can account for preparation and integration. Those fall within the normal range of psychotherapy sessions. But we recognized a long time ago that in terms of a six to eight-hour administration session or, in the case of MAPS, multiple sessions of therapy associated with MDMA that there were not the appropriate codes to cover that. And it, therefore, became a priority for us, working together to establish that.

Recognize this is a CPT III code, but this enables physicians and other HCPs to track the work that's involved, the activities that are required, and it's really a central precursor to converting that ultimately into a CPT I code that can be reimbursed. And I think, you know, for -- for Johnson perhaps the recognition that the Spravato sessions under the REMS would require this monitoring period, which was different from anything else that was available at the time, was something that came a little later in the process. And again, we -- we're grateful to have had the opportunity to learn from that. For the second part of your question, as you said, you know, esketamine does require multiple administrations in the first month and, thereafter, at regular intervals.

And that's not surprising given the relatively short duration of effect. Obviously, during our phase 3, we're going to generate evidence around durability, around the impact of retreatment, and that will give a sense also of when retreatment might be expected. But certainly, we saw from the phase 2B a lasting effect for a significant number of patients even at 12 weeks, and we have some modest data that suggests it can go longer than that. So, we would expect a much less frequent administration for COMP360 than you need to see for esketamine.

And we believe that that will also translate into a lower burden not only for patients critically but also for providers and treatment centers as well. And finally, yes, as you -- as you mentioned, Janssen broke out for the first time Spravato sales this year, a few years into the launch. Let's recognize, though, the launch did come just ahead of the pandemic, which put all sorts of challenges into pharmaceutical drug launches. But I think the fact that you saw over $100 million of sales in the U.S.

in the first quarter with a strong growth trajectory is very encouraging for us in a couple of different ways. It shows, first, that despite some initial skepticism about the efficacy and clinical trials, physicians have become very used to working with esketamine and are actually seeing real-world evidence of efficacy. That's perhaps, you know, the patient acceptance that's strong. I think, critically, it speaks to the fact that the infrastructure has developed significantly since the launch, not just in terms of, you know, interventional psychiatry centers, and we've talked in the past about some of those stand-alone centers, but also in the fact that other psychiatry practices, other academic, and hospital settings have become much more used to the fact that this is a treatment paradigm that's here to stay.

And we would expect much of that infrastructure to be relevant to us at COMPASS for psilocybin as well. So, overall, I think we take strong encouragement from that and the fact that they've identified that as a growth driver.

Elemer Piros -- EF Hutton -- Analyst

Yes, thank you very much. At what point -- I know it's too early in the launch, but at what point would you be able to project enrollment rates. And -- and for now, you reiterated the previous guidance for completion of both of those -- both of the pivotal trials. Shall we expect that toward the end of this year or when you have a little more confidence on the trajectory?

Kabir Nath -- Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, it's a -- it's a fair question. I would -- I would just say definitely not yet, and I don't want to give a commitment to when we would do that. As I said, we have patients dosed in both trials. As Guy mentioned, you know, the fact that we are well on the way to building the trial infrastructure with more sites coming on board and so on is very encouraging.

But I don't want to promise a date at which we will actually give enrollment numbers or percentages enrolled. But for now, given where we are, we are confident as we did in reiterating those timings for the primary endpoints.

Elemer Piros -- EF Hutton -- Analyst

Thank you so much, Kabir.

Kabir Nath -- Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, Elemer.

Operator

One moment for our next question. Our next question comes the line of Charles Duncan from Cantor. Your line is open.

Charles Duncan -- Cantor Fitzgerald -- Analyst

Hey, good morning, Kabir and team. Thanks for taking the question and congrats on the progress. I did have a question regarding the ongoing phase 3s. So, maybe you're not going to be able to answer them, but I'm wondering if you could provide more color on the FDA interactions.

You said they're active, thoughtful dialogue, but I guess I'm assuming no modification in the primary or secondary endpoints. And then, perhaps if I could speak to the pacing of the trial, great to see that you've made some progress in terms of patient enrollment. But I'm wondering if the biggest, call it, rate limiter for this trial is site opening or is it patient access and availability of appropriate patients? Thanks.

Kabir Nath -- Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, Charles. And I'll actually ask Guy to take both of those parts if that's OK.

Guy Goodwin -- Chief Medical Officer

Yeah. We, as you know, Charles, there's -- there's no change in primary outcomes, and there's no fundamental change in the design of the studies as a result of our to and fro with the agency. We're well on track, as far as we're concerned, with recruitment at the moment. You ask an interesting question because it falls into different phases of the studies.

At the beginning, the limiting step is simply a site initiation. That takes time. It takes things to happen which are quite beyond anyone's control, well, beyond the control of us and of the investigators, which are things like EMA licenses, [Inaudible]. We are obviously plotting and we have modeled the rate at which patients will be recruited.

And I would simply say that, as far as our simulations of the future go and as far as we can be confident in the way we've achieved opening so far, we're looking -- looking very good. Obviously, we expect that once all the sites are open, then there will be different considerations around what limits recruitment. But we anticipate the demand for entry into the studies to be unusually positive for most -- compared to most depression studies. And we know from feedback we have had from the site, that's certainly true in some centers.

So, we look forward to seeing the results of that. We'll be tracking it very carefully. And of course, it's the key metric for us over the next 12 months to see that rise in recruitment. And we're happy that we'll be able to do that, and give you some indication of our happiness with it.

But we're going to be careful about numbers because they can be misleading and they can be misunderstood.

Charles Duncan -- Cantor Fitzgerald -- Analyst

Yeah, absolutely. Fair on that and appreciate it. Regarding anorexia nervosa, quite intrigued with that, happy to hear that it's kind of back on track. Can you provide any additional information on the actual amended procedures or how they were amended or what is perhaps changed -- change of vector on that trial versus last quarter?

Guy Goodwin -- Chief Medical Officer

There were quite minor -- minor amendments to the protocol. I mean, unfortunately, that takes time. They were really to do with the -- the visit burden on patients and just, you know, the preparedness of patients to participate in the study. You'll appreciate that randomized clinical trials are not like ordinary practice.

They place unusual demands on the -- the subjects who participate. And I think that the need for in-person visits, in particular, was something that was -- was too demanding in the initial stages. And we felt no reason for not changing because it didn't materially affect how the study would run or the results. So, it's been a simplification of the trial design.

It's not a fundamental change in the actual objectives or the -- the questions that it will answer.

Charles Duncan -- Cantor Fitzgerald -- Analyst

OK, that's helpful. Last question for Mike, quickly on the ATM that was noted, a large block trade. You may not be able to fully answer this, but I'm wondering if you could characterize the investor -- obviously, not a -- not a certain identity, but maybe an investing type or whether or not they had previously held a position. Any -- any additional information that you could provide there? Thanks.

Mike Falvey -- Chief Financial Officer

So -- so, because the investment came in through the ATM, I am a little bit limited on the information that I can provide. I would point out that if you go back and look at trading volumes earlier in the quarter, it's pretty clear when -- when that happened and -- and the size of it. And I can characterize the investor. We've spoken on prior calls that we've been working pretty intensively to bring biotech specialists, sophisticated investors into the register, not only to support us with our current financing needs, but investors who are going to understand the fact that we're going to be coming back, you know, additionally in the future as we get closer to commercialization and as we build for a successful launch.

So, those -- those conversations continue, and we continue to make progress. And I'd say that this investor would fall into that realm of -- of the investing universe that we've been working closely with.

Charles Duncan -- Cantor Fitzgerald -- Analyst

It makes sense sequentially -- sequentially funding the company I've seen with other neuro innovators. So, should work here too. Thanks for taking my questions.

Kabir Nath -- Chief Executive Officer

Sure. Thanks, Charles.

Operator

One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Franc Brisebois from Oppenheimer. Your line is open.

Franc Brisebois -- Oppenheimer and Company -- Analyst

Hi, Thanks for taking the question. Just in terms of the reimbursement, can you just -- we -- in a prior question, Spravato was brought up quite a bit. And I'm just wondering, just for those, you know, that might not be aware, what coding do they use? Is it -- and this G code that-- is that -- how different is that from a CPT I? And just maybe understanding, you know, the -- for investors here, the difference here between the G codes, CPT I, and CPT III, and then maybe, you know, what kind of additional color could we be expecting in July Here? Thank you.

Kabir Nath -- Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, no, thank you, Franc, it's a great question. So, the first thing I will say is since these codes are only going to be published in July, we're actually not going to talk in very much detail about what we expect to see in them or what they will actually cover until after that because the AMA would not like us to do so. I think, you know, what I would focus on is -- is what we have done here, which is acknowledging that, for psilocybin specifically, this six to eight-hour administration is a unique model of psychological support for which nothing existed. And, you know, the idea of stringing together multiple codes to do that would clearly be unappealing to providers not necessarily feasible and also would not give any consistency.

That's the reason that we actually focused, therefore, on obtaining this code. I think, you know, what Janssen is doing is using a variety of different codes. It is a different model of support as you're aware. It is post-administration monitoring as opposed to support during administration, and they have been able to use a number of different codes.

I think more we would like to hold till after the summer when we can talk more about the CPT code and then get into some of the different mechanisms for payment because, obviously, there are some areas where we're seeing bundled payment across the drug and provision of services, some areas where we're seeing that separated. And I think we're very happy to get into more discussion around that once the details of the code are out and published.

Franc Brisebois -- Oppenheimer and Company -- Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

One moment for next question. Our next question comes online of Joshua Schimmer from Evercore ISI. Your line is open.

Josh Schimmer -- Evercore ISI -- Analyst

Thanks for taking my question. For -- just coming back to the -- to the CPT codes. They go into effect January 1st, that means that is when the resource consumption analysis will begin. And over what time does that occur, and when do final codes and reimbursement likely go into place? And then, if -- if it's going to be done for both MAPS and COMPASS, how do the codes reconcile differences between the resource consumption that may exist between the two products? Thank you.

Kabir Nath -- Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, Josh for the question. So, on the latter part, you know, once we see details of the code, I think that will make it clear some of the answers to the second part of the question. For the first part, there is no fixed timeline from which the CPT III code grows up, shall we say, to become a CPT I code. What happens is that from January the 1st, it will be available to be used for tracking activities.

And what's important is that there is adoption, that there is good experience, there also that the data that we continue to generate through the trials. The data that MAPS may start to generate in the real world supports strong evidence of efficacy and so on. And again, there is a process of building that body of evidence, as you say, starting to actually construct the value elements of it. But there is no fixed time frame for this becoming reimbursable.

Obviously, by doing this well in advance of where we may be able to launch, it is our hope and expectation that we will be able to have something that is reimbursable at or very close to launch, but that's going to depend on continuing efforts by us, by MAP, and potentially, others from January of next year.

Josh Schimmer -- Evercore ISI -- Analyst

OK, got it. And then, now that you've seen an uptick in enrollment in the anorexia trial, when do you expect to be in a position to report data?

Guy Goodwin -- Chief Medical Officer

I think -- I think, to be honest, that we -- you know, we based this on a recruitment curve. We're still at the stage of developing that curve to see where it will saturate, where it will get to the -- the required numbers, so it would be premature to give a date just at this minute. But, you know, we're confident that we're on track to -- to complete the study and the exact timing we will release when we're more confident about it.

Josh Schimmer -- Evercore ISI -- Analyst

OK, thank you.

Kabir Nath -- Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, Josh.

Operator

One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Patrick Trucchio from H.C. Wainwright. Your line is open.

Patrick Trucchio -- H.C. Wainwright and Company -- Analyst

Thanks. Good morning. Just a quick follow-up on the potential commercialization. As we look ahead to the potential commercialization of COMP360, I'm wondering if you could frame for us what a potential REMS program it could entail and if -- if it would be similar to Spravato, or would there be some important differences we should be aware of? And how could this, in some way, help streamline the launch of COMP360?

Kabir Nath -- Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, Patrick. I guess it's a little premature to speculate on the shape of the REMS, you know, because also, to a large extent, that will follow the label on what's in the label in terms of what's in the REMS. But, yeah, I think -- I think we can be clear that we do expect the REMS with -- which I would expect to be the key element being attached to the elements to assure safe use. Those are clearly going to require, I would expect, you know, essentially distribution through specialist pharmacies to treatment centers for a given patient with the indication and so on clear.

It will require physician certification, you know, patient certification, and so on. Beyond that, in terms of the scope and what we may end up negotiating with the FDA around the actual elements, honestly, I think it's premature.

Patrick Trucchio -- H.C. Wainwright and Company -- Analyst

Yeah, that's really helpful. And then, I'm just wondering if you can talk about the level of interest or acceptance in psychedelic therapy, specifically among the neuropsychiatric leaders and clinical trial investigators. How have these views changed, particularly as we had more data published including from the COMP360 phase 2B trial? And how do you view this evolution, you know, as progressing as we approach the phase 3 readout next year for COMP360?

Guy Goodwin -- Chief Medical Officer

Thanks, Patrick. I think it's -- it -- within the academic sites, there's a certain -- there's a mixture. You know, some people still think that the commercialization will be difficult. But in a sense, it's not university sites opinion that's really going to matter in that.

It's really to do with the kind of relationships we build with -- with more commercial providers. So, I think that the impressions I get certainly are there's great enthusiasm for the idea, and there's really very little pushback on our interpretation of the data. The enthusiasts for this area, I think, it's going to be great and are really positive about it. But we have to recognize that many of the sites who are doing the trials are not necessarily all going to be commercially active.

But I think, overall, the feeling is that there's a lot of enthusiasm within the profession for this approach. And there's a lot of acceptance that there needs to be changes to allow it to happen. And I think that's very important. I think the final thing is that this is going to be an opportunity for patients who have not currently receiving adequate treatment actually to get it because I think there's going to be a move to not leave people in primary care inadequately treated, not receiving the kind of additional treatments that sometimes work.

And this will provide an attraction, I think, for getting those sort of patients who are currently not being treated into treatment. And I think -- I think a lot of psychiatrists recognize that, and we'll certainly be -- as we go forward, we'll be driving along with the key opinion leaders that particular message, that this is an area that is not only failure of treatment, but really not offering adequate treatment to people.

Kabir Nath -- Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, and I would just add, we're starting to engage with regional health systems, not necessarily household names, not the big ones you've heard of, but regional health systems that are seeing significant numbers of patients that are already offering TMS, Spravato, in some cases, ECT. And the level of excitement there and interest is extremely high. They are very interested to see how they can add this as another option for certain patients, both existing patients who are not benefiting from current treatments, but also as Guy said, extending it to other patients. So, again, early days.

Obviously, we don't want to go too fast with that, but we are, as I say, starting to engage with a number of those and getting a lot of very positive feedback.

Patrick Trucchio -- H.C. Wainwright and Company -- Analyst

Terrific. Thank you so much.

Operator

One moment for our next question. Next question comes from the line of Ritu Baral from Cowen. Your line is open.

Ritu Baral -- Cowen and Company -- Analyst

Good morning. Thanks for taking the question. I apologize for my voice this morning. About the CPT code, can you clarify when the information gathering for resource utilization exactly begins? I -- I think you and I have talked about this, and I believe it covers the administration session, but I'm wondering, is there a possibility that it might capture the prep session? Would you want to create a different CPT code for that prep session, or do you think -- and the consolidation session, or do you think that existing codes would cover prep and consolidation? And then, I have a follow-up.

Thank you.

Kabir Nath -- Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, Ritu. So, yes, you know, our belief is that existing codes can follow, it can support preparation and integration, and the need, the gap was code or codes that could cover the administration. I think it's also important to acknowledge, obviously, in a trial setting, it is the same therapist for preparation and administration and integration. In a real-world commercial setting, you can well see that a patient may have an existing relationship with a therapist who would actually be involved in the preparation and integration sessions, and the support required during the administration would come from a different provider.

And that's a model that we may well see emerge. So, in that context as well, our focus really was on the novel piece, the gap that existed for this extended administration.

Ritu Baral -- Cowen and Company -- Analyst

So, it's just this -- CPT code will just be the administration session from -- from the start?

Kabir Nath -- Chief Executive Officer

So, again, let's wait for July and see the details of -- and it's actually three codes, not just one. You know, we can't go into any more detail now, but let's wait for that and see it. And in terms of when it can start, as we said, it's the 1st of January '24. So, that's the point from which people can start to use this code to track activities, to track what's actually happening during these sessions.

Ritu Baral -- Cowen and Company -- Analyst

Understood. Then just moving to anorexia, you mentioned changes to promote enrollment challenge -- because of challenges in patients through screening. Can you -- can you describe some of those changes to the protocol? And do you believe that -- excuse me, do you believe those changes will result in any mature changes in the patient population than you originally projected? Thanks for taking the questions.

Guy Goodwin -- Chief Medical Officer

Thanks -- thanks, Ritu. I don't think it'll change in patient population because this is a fairly defined condition, as I'm sure you know. I mean, the issues really were around patient burden and participation in the study. And I guess we had assumed that the patients would be more tolerant of that leading from our experience with TRD.

And I think, quite simply, many of the patients with anorexia nervosa are more ambivalent about treatment. And so, that additional burden, I think, may have served as a barrier. By burden, I simply mean, you know, having to turn up for multiple visits in person which were not strictly necessary but, in a sense, were simply put down because that is the way we had previously done studies, and there is a tendency to trust in face-to-face assessments more than remote ones. And there's no real reason to do that when -- when someone's not dealing with the primary outcomes, and therefore, we modified the -- the protocol to allow more remote assessment.

We don't think that reduces the quality of the information we will get materially. It doesn't change the outcomes. And the key measurements of outcome will remain in person and, therefore, will be the same as originally planned. So, the changes are relatively modest, but they may make a surprising difference.

And we will obviously hope that they do and keep you updated on when they do.

Ritu Baral -- Cowen and Company -- Analyst

Thanks for taking the questions.

Guy Goodwin -- Chief Medical Officer

Pleasure.

Operator

One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Neena Bitritto-Garg from Citi. Your line is open.

Neena Bitritto-Garg -- Citi -- Analyst

Hey, guys, thanks for taking my question. I remember, last time on the -- on the last earnings call, you mentioned the addition of part B and part C to both phase 3 TRD studies. And I was just wondering if you could share at this point what the retreatment criteria are in those two parts. I know Part B, I think, has optional retreatment.

And then, part 3, I believe, is based on a relapse. So if you can just provide us with the actual criteria for both of those, that'd be great.

Guy Goodwin -- Chief Medical Officer

Yeah, I mean the criteria for retreatment are essentially that patients have a MADRS above a certain threshold, and that threshold will be a threshold at 20 on the total score.

Neena Bitritto-Garg -- Citi -- Analyst

OK. And it's the same in both part B and part C?

Guy Goodwin -- Chief Medical Officer

It's the same in both -- both parts, yeah.

Neena Bitritto-Garg -- Citi -- Analyst

OK, that's helpful. Awesome. Thank you.

Guy Goodwin -- Chief Medical Officer

Pleasure.

Operator

One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Sumant Kulkarni from Canaccord. Your line is open.

Sumant Kulkarni -- Canaccord Genuity -- Analyst

Good morning or afternoon for some of you. Thanks for taking my questions. So, in the past, you've said that there would be no interim analysis for COMP 005. Is that still the case? And if there is no interim analysis, do you plan to provide any efficacy updates on a blinded basis? And when could one expect those relative to the top-line data in the summer of 2024?

Kabir Nath -- Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, I hear that. Yes, so, Sumant, I think your question was do we plan an interim analysis, and the answer remains no. And, no, we should not expect to know anything before summer of 2024.

Sumant Kulkarni -- Canaccord Genuity -- Analyst

Got it. And then, could you specifically compare the in-person support services during psychedelic therapy that may be needed for COMP360 versus MAPS, which is specifically characterized as MDMA-assisted therapy? Obviously, these are different treatments and indications, but I'm trying to get a relative sense of the reimbursement burden.

Kabir Nath -- Chief Executive Officer

So, let me start and Guy may jump in. I mean, so, a psilocybin session, as we know, consists of -- you know, for a patient, there is preparation. There is the actual administration session itself, which is six to eight hours. And there is integration.

As you know, in phase 2B, we studied one dose. In the phase 3, we have both the two-dose study in the core part of the protocol, as well as the single dose. But as just reference, we do have an option for retreatment on relapse or failure to remit in part B and then again in part C, you know. So, that is kind of the burden for us from a psilocybin perspective.

The MDMA protocol from recollection is that 12 therapy sessions, including three doses of MDMA, I think that's correct, yeah.

Guy Goodwin -- Chief Medical Officer

I think it's refer to -- the interactions that take place on the therapy days with the drug are quite intense. The drug is sometimes described as a -- as producing greater empathy and, therefore, more communication with -- between people. That contrasts with psilocybin where, on the day of administration at the doses we are using, 25 milligrams, the patients are essentially inwardly guided. They're not interacting with the therapist, and in fact, the therapists are instructed not to interact with the patients other than to help them to, in a sense, remain focused on their internal journey, the words that are usually used.

So, you know, there's a great difference in -- in the way we should be thinking about the role of psychotherapy. Psychotherapy is a key part of the MDMA treatment; it is not a key part of the psilocybin treatment. And that's why we have used the term psychological support where the emphasis is really on safety and safeguarding. And it is not on, essentially, a treatment of a psychotherapeutic kind.

Sumant Kulkarni -- Canaccord Genuity -- Analyst

Understood. And once the CPT code goes live in 2024, is there any potential for approved but off-label products' ability to utilize this code for therapy sessions?

Guy Goodwin -- Chief Medical Officer

It's a good question. I -- I guess at the discretion of the provider, yes, but I'm actually not entirely sure.

Sumant Kulkarni -- Canaccord Genuity -- Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. And with no further questions in the queue, I'd like to turn the call back over to management for any closer remarks.

Kabir Nath -- Chief Executive Officer

Thank you very much. So, once again, thank you, everyone, for your participation, and thank you for the questions as well. Just a reminder, we are making excellent progress on our phase 3 trials for treatment-resistant depression, as well as continuing to build the body of evidence for COMP360 more generally. We're excited, obviously, about the CPT III code.

We're excited about the validation externally that you see from Spravato as well in terms of momentum. And we believe we're also making strong strides toward demonstrating a commercial value proposition for COMP360. So, thanks, everyone. Have a good rest of the day.

Operator

[Operator signoff]

Kabir Nath -- Chief Executive Officer

Thank you, operator.

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Call participants:

Steve Schultz -- Senior Vice President, Investor Relations

Kabir Nath -- Chief Executive Officer

Guy Goodwin -- Chief Medical Officer

Mike Falvey -- Chief Financial Officer

Elemer Piros -- EF Hutton -- Analyst

Charles Duncan -- Cantor Fitzgerald -- Analyst

Franc Brisebois -- Oppenheimer and Company -- Analyst

Josh Schimmer -- Evercore ISI -- Analyst

Patrick Trucchio -- H.C. Wainwright and Company -- Analyst

Ritu Baral -- Cowen and Company -- Analyst

Neena Bitritto-Garg -- Citi -- Analyst

Sumant Kulkarni -- Canaccord Genuity -- Analyst

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