Why Chevy's 2014 Silverado Isn't Gaining on Ford

GM's 2014 Silverado performs well, but supply constraints may be holding it back. Photo Credit: GM.

Since General Motors' (NYSE: GM  ) bankruptcy, the company has been on a mission to refresh, replace, or redesign 90% of its vehicle lineup -- the oldest in the industry -- to become more competitive. With all those designs, you'd think it'd be difficult to name the most important redesign. It isn't.

Hands down, General Motors' full-size pickups are the most important redesign -- perhaps in the company's history. Its 2014 Chevy Silverado and GMC Sierra are supposed to be game-changers for GM; the two trucks were supposed to catapult General Motors back into the conversation with rival Ford's (NYSE: F  ) F-Series. Unfortunately, it's been off to a slower start than General Motors had hoped. One problem could be holding back a large chunk of the Silverado and Sierra's sales.

What's the deal?
As Ford CEO Alan Mulally mentioned months ago, one of the biggest problems facing the company was its new launches. It's a difficult and complex process to switch between model years' production and juggle the appropriate raw materials and supplier products. General Motors seems to be facing this exact problem, and it appears to be dampening sales of its Silverado.

The first issue that popped up, according to a report by Bloomberg, was that General Motors was having inventory constraints on its most popular engine option, the 5.3-liter V-8. General Motors since refuted that there being a problem and claimed it was able to fulfill 80% of dealer orders. Now a second issue has definitely popped up.

Another constraint, this time axles, has put a speed bump in General Motors' production of its 2014 full-sized pickups. It should be noted that this isn't a quality issue; rather, it's a production capacity issue with a supplier. The axle issue is affecting different models, and that's what's leading to a problem. 

The pricier crew cab was the first of the 2014 Silverado pickups to roll out, and many dealers are waiting on more stock of the regular and double-cab models, which have been slowed by the axle supply constraint. General Motors expects the regular and double cabs to account for about 40% of pickup volume, and if dealers can't get the stock needed, it could slow down sales of GM's most profitable and popular vehicle.

To up the stakes even more, this summer was General Motors' window of opportunity to pull market share away from Ford because its next-generation F-150 won't launch until next year. It had a chance to get its loyal buyers in the showrooms and market to those consumers on the fence about buying now or waiting for Ford's F-150. That opportunity is fading as Ford begins to ramp up marketing for its all-new F-150.

For a little proof of the effect supply constraints are having, first remember that September's vehicle sales were down 4%, ending a streak of gains of 27 consecutive months, partially because August pulled holiday sales forward, leaving less demand in September. With that in mind, consider that Ford's F-Series and Dodge Ram were still able to improve 10% and 8%, respectively, in year-over-year sales, while the Silverado fell 11%. 

Let's be honest, though. Even without supply constraints, the Silverado and Sierra have their work cut out for them if they want to overtake Ford, which has outsold General Motors' two full-size pickups combined since the recession. Many consumers in the auto industry, and especially the full-size truck segment, are extremely loyal. Guess which automaker ranks at the top of consumer loyalty. That's right: Ford does, bringing back a majority of its consumers, according to a study by R.L. Polk earlier this year.

Graph by author. Information credit: R.L. Polk & Co.

Investing takeaway
Ford recently posted an excellent third quarter, and full-size pickups drove the majority of its profit in North America. Full-size pickups represent the fastest way to gain, or lose, profitability and market share for Detroit automakers. General Motors takes the stage to report its earnings next week, and while this shouldn't have any effect on its third-quarter earnings, if the supply issue isn't fixed, sales of the Silverado and Sierra could decline in the fourth quarter. General Motors hopes to ramp up production after the issue is fixed to have no net loss of full-size pickups, but because it represents significant amounts of profits for General Motors, it will absolutely be something investors need to watch in the fourth quarter.

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  • Report this Comment On October 26, 2013, at 9:50 AM, Jackal41701 wrote:

    They make pure junk compared to ford/ram! Who cares if there sales are low I'm not gonna loose any damn sleep over it!

  • Report this Comment On October 26, 2013, at 9:54 AM, guysisson wrote:

    The average person can't tell any difference in the new Silverado. People have also recognized the fact that Ford is building the better cars and trucks now. GM quality has suffered greatly since the bankruptcy. They are not considered a player anymore.

  • Report this Comment On October 26, 2013, at 10:17 AM, LungsOfSteel wrote:

    The comments on here are laughable.

  • Report this Comment On October 26, 2013, at 10:32 AM, redrooster wrote:

    That is very incorrect and unsubstantiated. I just went from Ford to GM and the quality it totally there. In fact, the Chevy Equinox is much more luxurious than the Escape. GM has an uphill battle, but their new vehicles are very nice. People just need to get over the stigma and check them out.

  • Report this Comment On October 26, 2013, at 10:41 AM, BuilderB wrote:

    I won't ever buy another truck from ObamaMotors.

  • Report this Comment On October 26, 2013, at 10:41 AM, skeptic94 wrote:

    Why Chevy's 2014 Silverado Isn't Gaining on Ford -- Bottom line: "It's not a Ford"

  • Report this Comment On October 26, 2013, at 10:41 AM, zrxman60 wrote:

    I think most people don't want to help GM out since many of us lost money because of them. I doubt I'll ever own another GM product and definitely never buy a new one...

  • Report this Comment On October 26, 2013, at 10:48 AM, YourDog wrote:

    I used to be a GM man ... until BO & Co. took my stock and gave it to the union bosses. I'll never buy a GM automobile again.

  • Report this Comment On October 26, 2013, at 10:55 AM, grady192 wrote:

    Easy, Looks the same at a 2010 and it's just not a good looking truck. zero style, the wheel well flares are squared off and look like something you would find in a book titled 'how to build a generic truck'. Last time GM had a good looking truck was 1999 and they had no problem selling those.

  • Report this Comment On October 26, 2013, at 11:05 AM, cityperson wrote:

    Still questions on the GM rust factor. Ford seems to improve the rust factor on most of their vehicles in the last 10 years, with out having to spend extra for rust proofing.

  • Report this Comment On October 26, 2013, at 11:07 AM, AllenElliott wrote:


  • Report this Comment On October 26, 2013, at 11:22 AM, ABN2nds wrote:

    Well first off, it's GM..............

  • Report this Comment On October 26, 2013, at 11:23 AM, Kmanc4s wrote:

    After looking at and driving Ford, Ram, Toyota, GMC and Chevy, I bought the Chevy Silverado. The Ford F-150 is too sterile looking and any company that partners with Microsoft for their infotainment system is questionable right from the start and Ford has had their share of quality problems. Ram is a nice looking truck, but with the problems with Fiat and quality problems with anything Chrysler, it's a big risk owning one. Toyota is just plain boring. The GMC/Chevy is a great product and I'm glad to have bought one. It's well built, solid and great quality.

  • Report this Comment On October 26, 2013, at 11:24 AM, passinthrgh wrote:

    1st truck was a Siverado with a stick and a straight six. Great truck. Bought a Ford F-150 with a stick and V-six. It ran 275,000 w/ only 1 major problem. I then bought another Ford, a 2006 Ford F-250 w/ a NavStar 6.0. THE WORST TRUCK EVER BUILT. AND FORD F@#$ED ITS CUSTOMERS. They would not respect their warranty, and they would not help their customers with the horrible Nav Star motor. 2 sets of fuel injectors and one EGR cooler later, I drive a Silverado 2500HD. Quality truck, great ride, good gas mileage. Ford lost a customer for life because of their horrible customer service. No loyalty to their customers at all.

  • Report this Comment On October 26, 2013, at 11:28 AM, rankin81 wrote:

    I don't think anyone actually expected GM to overtake the F150 in sales. The F150 has been the best selling vehicle in America for the last 30 years. Why would anyone expect that to change now? Plus, when Ford is blowing out old models to fleet sales getting ready for the 2015, you can't keep up with that. I think if GM can keep selling just as many trucks as as they have in the past, they will do just fine. You people really need to GET OVER the fact that GM and Chrysler took a bailout years ago. You really think that America would be better off if we let them go out of business? Even Ford said they supported the bailout. If GM and Chrysler shut down, that would affect the suppliers which would've eventually shut down Ford. Do your homework people.

  • Report this Comment On October 26, 2013, at 11:29 AM, igoregor007 wrote:

    Eve r since Ed Cole gave a cop-out excuse on why he took Illinois out of the running for the Saturn plant (He said the labor rate is too high - I reply with the parts prices are too high and their quality sucks!) It would take GM to open 3 manufacturing plants to be in operational in Illinois before I buy anything made by them.

  • Report this Comment On October 26, 2013, at 11:38 AM, Chevyisajoke wrote:

    What makes me laugh is how the Chevy commercials lie. "Best selling, most reliable truck on the road" Both statements are as about as false as it can possible get.

  • Report this Comment On October 26, 2013, at 11:41 AM, richrudzik367 wrote:

    Own a piece of junk Chevy truck, 2006. Steering rack problems, wheel bearings, eats tires like a piece of candy, won't hold an allignment, tie rod bad in 5 months. The final blow my mechanic told me to get ready to replace the rusted brake and fuel lines. Cab corners starting to rust, bumper starting to rust, Pure Junk. JUNK< JUNK JUNK>

    Will never buy a Chevy again, I am 70 years old and have always bought Chevies.

  • Report this Comment On October 26, 2013, at 11:42 AM, Chevyisajoke wrote:

    @rankin81. It's more of the fact that Chevy fanboys (or complete brain-dead morons as they should be called) always talk about how great Chevy is, how it's the best in every category, blah, blah blah.... They aren't..... If Chevy was SOOOOooooo Good like those morons claim, they wouldn't of gone bankrupt and needed the bailout... Ford, Mazda, Toyota, and Honda didn't even lose steam. GM makes garbage, it's just that simple.

  • Report this Comment On October 26, 2013, at 11:56 AM, hammer6048 wrote:

    I think most will think twice before buying GM, given this was a bailout, stockholders and bondholders, got zero in the process. Unions and obama cronies made billions, if left alone they would have gone through bankruptcy and coming out the other side the owners of GM, might have received something of their investment. I personally will never buy another GM vehicle, I stick with non-union made vehicles going forward.

  • Report this Comment On October 26, 2013, at 12:11 PM, YourDog wrote:

    To rankin81 who said: "You people really need to GET OVER the fact that GM ... took a bailout years ago. You really think that America would be better off if we let them go out of business?"

    It's not that GM took a bailout, it's that they were complicit with the Obama administration in ignoring bankruptcy law and capriciously stealing (yes, that IS stealing) money from secured investors and giving it to union bosses.

    And yes, I think America (and probably GM, as well!) would be better off today had the law been followed.

  • Report this Comment On October 26, 2013, at 12:18 PM, dfhensley wrote:

    I've owned Ford, Dodge and Toyota pickups. Never cared to have a GM product. have had friends who owned Chevy trucks, but after hearing their complaints about their rides, I decided not to buy one. The Toyota I had wouldn't do what the speedometer said it would do, which was 80 MPH. Kept it a year, got rid of it. Ford is my choice of trucks. They have a good ride, good MPG and they look great. They'll do anything you want a truck to do. The f-150 with the 4.2, V-6 standard shift, is the best truck I've ever owned.

  • Report this Comment On October 26, 2013, at 12:32 PM, SwK0212 wrote:

    GM is a joke. You invest all that money to make a new truck and it is already behind Ford and Ram on interior styling right out of the gate. Now look at the outside. What makes this truck any different that makes it scream its totally new? Instead it looks like a mid cycle refresh. I wonder if they still have all the issues of dents in the hood and bed from people leaning on them, seriously google it. Who wants a truck with sheet metal that thin? I sure don't. Then it has IFS up front so its no longer a truck, its a car with a bed on the back. That's why you don't see to many Chevy's with snowplows on them. It's also the major reason GM trucks have to sit so low compared to Ram and Ford. Ram just came out with an all new truck and started a marketing blitz to let people know what the differences are. Ecodiesel and airbags will go over huge in the pickup world. Ford has a dated design that has been on the market since what, 2010 and its still kicking your teeth in. Who ever made the decision to make these GM trucks should be fired plain and simple. Its going to be all over for GM once Ford hits the market with its new trucks.

  • Report this Comment On October 26, 2013, at 12:33 PM, noncompliance wrote:

    Its very simple, Ford is still reducing its 2013 inventory with massive incentives. Chevy had massive incentives on the 2013's and have depleted their inventory. The 2014 Silverado's have very little incentives, and are just starting to built up inventory levels. The real numbers will show once you are selling 2014's against 2014's. Wow, the answer was so simple, even the rednecks will understand it....

  • Report this Comment On October 26, 2013, at 12:37 PM, usasam wrote:

    General Motors design team produced some iconic blunders in the past that contributed to their loss of market share. Now the company that survived thanks to a bale out paid for by U.S. tax payer is investing some of that money building manufacturing facilities in China. Are the transport ships that bring all the imports into this country incapable of returning to China with cars made by U.S. workers .To take a government bale out and continue to export jobs is treason to the U.S. middle Class. The people that are buying G.M. products have very short memories. I have had 8 corvettes and numerous other G.M. cars and trucks, but will never buy another one.

  • Report this Comment On October 26, 2013, at 1:25 PM, TimFeatherston wrote:

    For several years GM's quality suffered largely impart to cost cutting to pay off union pensions. They recognizerd this , Made negotiations with the unions. Then as soon as a slight recovery was being made the unions started to strike again. Because of this I will never, ever buy a GM product because I refuse to support those greedy , incompetent, lazy union auto workers. I do not care hoe good their cars are

  • Report this Comment On October 26, 2013, at 1:29 PM, TimFeatherston wrote:

    Hey noncompliance, The article was about the 2014. If GM has sold out of 2013 and are now selling 2014 then they should be kicking butt because Ford is still offering great deals on the 2013 not the 2014. Signed ' A Red Neck"

  • Report this Comment On October 26, 2013, at 1:58 PM, Jeffkory wrote:

    I retired from ford { mechanic } It was a great job- PLENTY OF WORK- Would I ever own one- NO- I had 3 of their plastic lemon junk fall apart trucks over the years- Never again. The service mgr complained when I finally bought a new dependable gm truck- but liked that I didn't miss work anymore due to breakdowns.

  • Report this Comment On October 26, 2013, at 1:59 PM, eightteen wrote:

    i dont care what anyone says if i could i would go buy me a new silverado they are sharp looking trucks.i was told to go buy a ford 6.0 powerjoke before i bought the 06 dmax i have now.glad i didnt listen why should i buy a 50,000$ truck and have to fix issues that ford should have taken care of egr, head gasket issues due to only 10 head bolts per head. my brother has a 6.0 and has put between 5 to 15 grand into and it still cant out do my near stock duramax.yes i have done some work to my truck cause i like to modify my cars to get more power not because its junk.most guys tell me how good there dodge and ford are that they never break down but yet there always fixing something.i know my brother is like that never has a issue with his ford but hes always wrenching on it.

    .and hate to break it to the ford guys that ford is now moving to china dont believe me look it up.and before someone tells me that the dodge ram isa better truck than the chevy keep dreaming ive been in a new ram everythine looks cheap.ive known a few people that were a dodge of ford guy when it came to diesels and once they got in a duramax they sold the ford and dodge.

    and do you people really think it would have been a smart idea to let gm and chrystler go under.there aint no way ford would have been able to support all those people that would have lost there jobs not only would gm and chrystler empl;oyees would have lost there jobs little places that make the radios head lights engine parts etc would have lost there jobs.peopel really need to get over it.unlike most people i have done my homework on these trucks expecially diesels.and there is a reason why ford is the top selling truck its not brand loyal it just the fact that the company that can give a better price will have the sale.

  • Report this Comment On October 26, 2013, at 2:52 PM, Rotomoley wrote:

    Ford is just plain more comfortable. Period. I have no loyalty.

  • Report this Comment On October 26, 2013, at 3:12 PM, mgjeff25 wrote:

    Being in sales for 20 years with Ford AND GM, I am suprised to see the amount of customers bring thier newer F-150's in to trade for new Silverado's. I hear so much bad about GM and so much good about Ford on the internet. The fact that I work with so many family's that said they left GM because of the bailout and went to Ford, but they just are not happy with the product. Don't let the numbers fool you, GM has 6 of top 10 for initial QUALITY ! ! ! Ford has gained share, NOT because of product quality, its because so many people refuse to buy GM because of the bailout. But many have returned to me to rebuy a GM product BECAUSE of the quality over the Ford the purchased since 2008. In 10 years after all the politics are not involved, then GM can regain thier market share again.

  • Report this Comment On October 26, 2013, at 7:07 PM, 01Jack wrote:

    Could write a similar story about why the Ford Mustang isn't gaining on the Camaro. Since 2010 the Camaro has outsold the Mustang even after the introduction of the 5.0.

    Why can't the Ford Taurus compete with the Impala or the Expedition compete with the Tahoe?

    Why can't Lincoln compete with Cadillac?

  • Report this Comment On October 26, 2013, at 7:58 PM, da1004gr wrote:

    I've been in all three trucks and the GM products are standouts, heads and shoulders above the other right now.

    Having said that, Ford is also buying the markets with heavy incentives, it's not that they have a better truck, its they are discounting the current models by much more, where GM is not, with its new model.

    Things will be on a much more even footing next year when Ford launches its new truck and cuts its incentives as they try to recoup manufacturing costs.

  • Report this Comment On October 26, 2013, at 8:29 PM, silveradocool wrote:

    Lets set the record straight - Ford trucks will never be better than Chevy or GMC Ever! The only reason why they out sell Chevy & GMC is because they're cheaper (literally and price wise). Quality wise they're not in the same zip code with Chevy or GMC. I've personally bought 2 new GMC's - I totaled both of them however not my fault, i live here in L. A. and I'm a street racer, both trucks were fully customized, never had issues, they were solid, i remember this one guy came up on me at a light one day, he says "this is a dodge hemi you can't hang with this he says to me" i said " its a hemi, than you're getting ready to start hemoraghing" smoked his azz - i had the 4.8 liter V8 with the rare 5 speed, my add ons airraid intake - flowmaster exhaust - hypertech programmer - truck was lowered 6 inches all the way around with a bell Tech suspension and firestone air bags in the rear. I ruled L. A. streets for years with both trucks an '04 and '06.

    Now i just got a '04 GMC Regency pickup the RST the highperformance specially equipped from the factory Sierra. I rule again, all i see in my rearview is Fords including the Lightening. Don't yall ever think ford will ever last or outperform Chevy or GMC NEVER WILL!

  • Report this Comment On October 26, 2013, at 8:42 PM, mpatrick64 wrote:

    I see all these comments about GM and Chrysler taking bailout money versus Ford not taking it. I understand that auto manufacturing would be virtually gone in the US if the Government didn't bail them out. I will not buy a GM or Chrysler product not because they took the bailout but because the are not paying back the US Taxpayer. I understand its based on Stock value but they have a hoard of cash that they could us to make up for the difference in stock value versus what they sell it for. If they did that my opinion would change about GM.

  • Report this Comment On October 26, 2013, at 9:57 PM, santa6642 wrote:

    GM, or better known as government motors can change design all it wants and I still won't buy one, No government motors for me.

  • Report this Comment On October 26, 2013, at 10:40 PM, Tommylee2 wrote:

    Easy to see why they aren't gaining on Ford. They are pieces of garbage, priced too high, and nobody really wants to associate himself with the Government Motor Corporation (GMC). Would you want a corporation that has already dipped into your pocket to be the one to take your money for an overpriced vehicle and then to be the one to warranty it, knowing that they may have to go back to Obama for more of your hard earned money in order to stay afloat?

    No, I like Ford or even Chrysler if I buy American, but there are other alternatives as well and many are very affordable and very road worthy.

  • Report this Comment On October 26, 2013, at 10:48 PM, firstbadman wrote:

    first it a GM second its the bail outs and the people who work there that are in the crooked union who would take a pay cut to save there jobs but rip off the tax payers IS ok then there is the part where a saudi prince invested 500 million dollars into GMC SO go ahead buy those vehicles and support the people who took down two towers in NYC

  • Report this Comment On October 26, 2013, at 11:03 PM, mustang6984 wrote:

    Why? Simple...quality! Ford has it...GMC and it's various companies does not.

    And please...the Equinox is more luxurious than the Escape? LOL!!! The Equinox is about as "truck-like" as a Cadillac is sports car! LOL!!!

  • Report this Comment On October 27, 2013, at 12:05 AM, andyco79 wrote:

    Here's my take on it. I think there are a few factors that play in here. Loyalty, cyclical auto sales, and hurdles with newly designed or updated vehicles.

    First, loyalty plays in here. For the most part GM guys know what they need/want out of their truck and they know the GM powertrains, rear axle ratios, and trim packages. The same goes for the Ford guys and so on so that's what they stick with since it works for them. I find it a little confusing when comparing different trim packages across different brands because the manufacturer tailors their vehicles to the needs of their customer base, the loyal guy. Most GM guys, like myself, like the more conservative stying of GM's trucks. For me I like the lower hood because I can see the road surface so that I don't run over the crap that others throw in the roadway. I like the shallower bed so I can reach in and take out what I need without opening the tailgate all of time, I also like the GM trim packages and I'm very familiar with them. I drive my 2011 Chevrolet Silverado as a commuter and I really do no heavy hauling, so the 3.08 rear axle ratio in my truck paired with the 5.3 liter V8 with Active Fuel Management gives me 21 to 22 mpg on the highway, which is always a plus. If I were to do heavy hauling I would opt for a "heavier' rear end and maybe the larger V8. The Ford guys probably prefer the more radical styling of the F series and they prefer Fords equipment packages and powertrain options. The Ram and the Toyota Tundra guys probably prefers the styling of the higher hood and their equipment packages and powertrains and so on.

    The second thing what I think plays into this is, the "cyclicalness" of sales. I believe auto sales plummeted across the board in 2009 and as the economy started slowly to recovery in the subsequent year of 2010 through 2013, guys started to replace their old trucks with new trucks of their choice. I live in southern PA where there are a lot of farmers and hunters and I notice that all makes of trucks that I see in my small area are 2010 to 2013 models. Guys probably keep the trucks an average of 5 to 7 years until they are paid off until they decide on a new one. Having said that, I am estimating that truck sales should rebound for all makes in late 2015 through 2018. Will I think the GM trucks will ever catch up with the F series? Not sure, Ford carried the title for 30 years because for most of that time they ignored their car designs and focused on their money maker, the F series. GM focused on their cars and didn't start focusing more on their trucks until about 1999. It all depends what the business strategies for GM and Ford are for the future and what obstacles that might suddenly pop up.

    The third is the whole retooling of the factory process that all auto manufacturers face when introducing a new design. In the third paragraph of this article, Alan Mullaly, CEO of Ford, has said its a common problem in the auto manufacturing world and the public needs to bare with all of the manufacturers until the minor production snags are resolved with bringing out new designs. Daniel Ackerson, CEO of General Motors and the Chevrolet Division Manager also said the same thing on the September 2013 sales call that Alan Mullaly said. Its sounds like more of a phased in process where the most popular vehicle packages are manufactured for sale first. Is Mullaly alluding that Ford will have the same issue in late 2014 when they roll out the 2015 F series that GM is having with their new model truck? In my opinion, it is a very likely possibility that Ford will experience similar circumstances. Its most likely a warning of some sort, given how Mullaly tends to present things in a "read between the lines" way.

    Anyhow, that's my take on it. Good luck with whatever make you drive. I can't complain one bit about my 2011 Silverado and I really love the truck and I've have had zero issues with it.

  • Report this Comment On October 27, 2013, at 7:44 AM, oneklips wrote:

    Gm trucks suck premature frame rust. They seem to like car breaks on there trucks. You'll have to change the rotors breaks tires before you need an oil change.the American people need jobs and what does gm do? They built 5 that's rite 5 new plants in china (if you doubt me google it) as far as I'm concerned if they need a bail out again go get it from china and go sell your junk trucks there also.wake up people.

  • Report this Comment On October 27, 2013, at 8:35 AM, Allen1952 wrote:

    General Motors is a company that has cost many Americans a lot of money due to poor management and Unions. I will never purchase a GM product and will always go with the Ford Product!

  • Report this Comment On October 27, 2013, at 8:43 AM, brother10 wrote:

    What is the meaning of FORD:

    Ford Owners Recommend Dodge.

    Ford don't need bailout from the Government.

    Because they don't honour their Warranty, Don't Fix any Problems and always giving some VERY STUPID EXCUSES. The vehicle is very Dangerous Defective, Chevy and Dodge build Quality, Safe, Reliable and Dependable vehicles.

    Chevy Honour their Warranty, Fix all Problems.

    People just ignorant to the fact and Ford Crap.

  • Report this Comment On October 27, 2013, at 8:45 AM, fujidan wrote:

    I have totally disliked General Motors ever since the idiots killed Oldsmobile. I guess it really doesn't matter though, be it Ford or any other vehicle, I can not afford anything that isn't 20 years old and even those prices are outlandish.

  • Report this Comment On October 27, 2013, at 10:33 PM, LungsOfSteel wrote:

    It's always easy to gauge a person's lack of intelligence when they type the words GOVERNMENT MOTORS.

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