Roundtable: Who's The Next GM?

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Before the market opened on Monday morning, General Motors filed for bankruptcy. That wasn't shocking.

Here's what was: GM's stock actually opened higher! In fact, shares are still trading hands in the $0.50-$0.70 range on the Pink Sheets today.

Let's not waste time wondering why these shares are above zero, though. Instead, we asked a motley crew of Foolish writers, editors, and advisors a more interesting question:

Which company is the next GM? In short, which beaten-down company seems attractive at today's prices but will only break your heart?

Andy Cross, Motley Fool Hidden Gems co-advisor: The casino stocks have bounced off historical March lows, but I doubt the odds of a successful wager on their shares are in our favor. MGM (NYSE: MGM), operator of premier casino resorts like the Bellagio, MGM Grand, and Mandalay Bay in Las Vegas, recently issued roughly $1 billion in shares and $1.5 billion in notes to help alleviate near-term debt concerns. Yet it will still have around $10 billion in net debt. Furthermore, the new debt carries interest rates significantly higher than the retired debt.

If the economy turns quickly, and gamblers and families flock back to Vegas, then MGM will have the cash to pay down its interest and debts. But I worry the value won't ultimately accrue to shareholders. And that's what we want to see -- right, GM? That's why at Motley Fool Hidden Gems, we typically stick to cash-rich, low-debt winners like Chipotle (NYSE: CMG-B) and Logitech (Nasdaq: LOGI).

Matt Koppenheffer, Motley Fool writer: At the risk of not being particularly creative, I'm going to stay in the world of autos for my pick: Hertz (NYSE: HTZ). The risks are pretty plain for the car-rental giant, and the clouds may have darkened further with the GM bankruptcy, because the company has agreements in place for GM to repurchase/guarantee about a third of the cars that Hertz bought from GM.

Thanks in a large part to a leveraged buyout of the company back in 2005, Hertz is weighed down by $9.7 billion in debt, against its $1.3 billion in shareholder equity. Its debt-to-EBITDA ratio is nearly 11 and its EBITDA covers its interest obligations a paltry 1.1 times.

Unlike the pre-bankruptcy GM, Hertz is operating cash flow-positive, plus the company has been raising money to try to deal with its maturing debt load. However, a tough economy, a tougher financing market, and a bankrupt partner could put some very harsh realities in front of Hertz.

Morgan Housel, Motley Fool writer: I'm keeping an eye on Moody's. Yes, shares are down over the past year, but its outlook has downright fallen off a cliff.

As I showed yesterday, Moody's is gaining short-selling attention from investors trying to reconcile two points:

  1. That its credibility and business model is utterly shot, and
  2. That its share price doesn't seem to reflect this reality whatsoever.

Will it totally crash and burn like GM? Moody's fate might not be that calamitous, but at these prices, the odds of getting burned seem higher than the odds of coming out happy. This is a market where you can pick up high-quality names for bargain prices; why waste your time with tarnished names at nosebleed prices? 

Brian Orelli, Motley Fool writer: As Pfizer (NYSE: PFE) has tried to get bigger, its stock has fallen 57% over the last five years. Don't let that beaten-down price tempt you just yet. There's potential for this extrinsic-growth addict to break investors' hearts some more.

Despite the company's crummy track record of megamergers, management says it's learned how to integrate companies, and that things will be different with Wyeth this time. That's what all addicts say. I'll believe it when I see it.

Jim Royal, Motley Fool editor: At $10 -- less than one-third of its all-time high -- American Reprographics does look tempting. The firm has nearly quadrupled off its recent lows, and trades at maybe six times its projected 2009 operating cash flow. For the long term, the company does look well-managed, and the CEO owns a hefty slug of shares.

But to get to that long term, well, you have to go through the short term. Commercial real estate -- on which the company heavily relies -- has yet to experience the economy's full fury. Sure, American Reprographics has scaled down its operations quickly, managing to keep cash flow relatively high, but it still runs the risk of blowing its debt covenants. Given these issues, as well as the "yellowing shoots" of the economy in general, color me pessimistic. I'd like to buy more at much lower prices, though.

Rick Munarriz, Motley Fool writer: When it comes to newsprint, it's been easier to bury a lead than to bury the major newspaper players. That can't last -- the industry's dynamics are changing way too quickly. A few of the heavy hitters like New York Times will survive, but I suspect it won't be long before you find McClatchy in the obituary section.

The company behind several regional favorites, including The Miami Herald, The Sacramento Bee, and The Fort Worth Star-Telegram, is stopping the presses in slow motion. With $2 billion in debt and years of net losses, its financials don't look pretty. Revenue fell by 16% last year. Analysts see the decimation widening by 20% this year. Overhead cuts will only slow the bleeding for an industry that isn't nimble enough to cut it in the digital flatlands, where every hobbyist with a computer and an Internet connection is a competitor.

Anand Chokkavelu, Motley Fool editor: Ho hum. We'd be remiss if we didn't talk about everyone's favorite sector these days. Just a quick reminder to tread carefully when it comes to all bank stocks -- from a small community bank to BB&T (NYSE: BBT) to Bank of America (NYSE: BAC). As Morgan wrote this morning, beware the headwinds. And as I've written, it may be time to look for bank opportunities, but beware the bank deaths.

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This roundtable article was compiled by Anand Chokkavelu, who owns shares of Chipotle (B shares) and Pfizer. Chipotle is a Motley Fool Rule Breakers selection. Moody's is a Motley Fool Stock Advisor pick. American Reprographics, Moody's, and Pfizer are Motley Fool Inside Value selections. American Reprographics, Chipotle (B shares), and Logitech are Motley Fool Hidden Gems recommendations. The Fool owns shares of Chipotle (B shares), Logitech, and Pfizer. The Motley Fool has a disclosure policy.

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  • Report this Comment On June 03, 2009, at 3:50 PM, automaticaev wrote:

    its sad that they will sell hummer. Really sad.

  • Report this Comment On June 03, 2009, at 4:17 PM, automaticaev wrote:

    I though america was great i though they stood up to germany in ww2 guess i was wrong. Guess they just dropped nukes on japan then hid in their houses. I thought to americans a recession was laughed at and tossed aside but i guess not i guess america isnt as great as i used to think. Wow i feel let down by americans.

  • Report this Comment On June 03, 2009, at 4:18 PM, catoismymotor wrote:

    I would say that Toyota fits the bill as the next GM. It is the largest car company in the word, it has posted its first loss in fifty years and its sales are in the can. To me it sounds like Toyota is right on track.

    I also understand that VW wants to knock Toyota's front teeth out. We'll have to see how this global battle will turn out.

  • Report this Comment On June 03, 2009, at 6:35 PM, automaticaev wrote:

    ya that would be best.

  • Report this Comment On June 03, 2009, at 7:25 PM, valuegal wrote:

    Comcast. They are a monopoly in many markets but people are sick of them. They disdain their customers. they behave very much like GM in the 1970s. If they do not wake up and realize that they are justly HATED by their customers; one day they will they will wake up and have NO customers.

    People desperately want reliable internet access and cable access. Alternative will rise up and displace them so fast they will go bankrup before they kenw what hit them.

  • Report this Comment On June 03, 2009, at 9:13 PM, 7t52day wrote:

    Ditto on "flygirl's Comcast comments" They have never been an innovator...always following...and giving advertisers and listeners "just barely passable" programming...trying to make a "remote" studio sound local and into the community. They stretch the envelope on commercial content until they're asked to change, and then short-change the advertiser. They're run by a bunch of bean counters with not a lot of broadcasting sense. Successful...?.... maybe for a while. But there are a lot of smart(er) listeners out there, and increasingly aware advertisers.

    (Of course, that's only my opinion)

  • Report this Comment On June 03, 2009, at 9:30 PM, xetn wrote:

    With the political climate in the US, an anti-capitalistic, socialist regime in power, an FTC that thinks every company is a monopoly, and growing international belief that more regulation, not less, is the answer to all "free-market" problems, a Fed and it puppet fractional-reserve banks creating money out of thin air and destroying the dollar in the process, just about every American enterprise is in jeopardy of becoming the next GM. Did I happen to mention the Obama campaign to tax the success out of all international companies and the entrepreneurs who create wealth? We are witnessing the death and destruction of the economy.

  • Report this Comment On June 03, 2009, at 9:57 PM, 7t52day wrote:

    Wow! I think xetn has just uncovered the reason for our current world-wide problems...the "less-than-five-month-old" administration. Let's see...we had NO problems prior to that, right?...No failing banks or foreclosures...(Right!!!). No wars we had to worry about...just a smooth-flowing economy. Amazing! And we've done all that damage since January 2009

    Kinda like spontaneous generation. TRULY amazing!

    Maybe we should have continued to turn a blind eye, leave the business indiscretions,(at best) and outright schemes foisted upon us, and not take any action.. Well, some action is now evident. It might turn the world around, but it certainly can't be worse than the "left-over" catastrphies we inherited. I'm gonna keep positive.

  • Report this Comment On June 04, 2009, at 2:18 AM, mikehadad wrote:

    I think the problems began for the United States in the 1970's, led by bad business and government practices and policies. We began losing manufacturing capacity and jobs to overseas competition. Instead of standing strong and becoming competitive we declared ourselves a "Service Economy". Also we rationalized that American superiority would lead the world in new innovations and create new jobs to replace the lost manufacturing jobs. That may have been true but Corporate America figured out it was more profitable to outsource these new jobs overseas and also build factories overseas. Bad news for Americans but there are no government incentives or polices to prevent this. The service economy is a flop. Business figured out a lot of these service jobs can be filled with illegal emigrants working for half wage. Great for business owners, too bad for the American citizen. Doesn't seem to be any real incentive in government to stop this. What about all the lost tax revenue this all leads too? There's other issues like out of control national debt.

    In the end other than weapons and maybe some medical equipment, what do we build that the world wants to buy? Or has to buy?

    I think the road to any real economic recovery may be long. With that in mind any company may be the next GM. Using the local store and some internet input from other locations as reference I have had Sears on my radar for about 6 months as a possibility.

  • Report this Comment On June 04, 2009, at 3:23 AM, firefly69 wrote:

    How about Alcatel-Lucent? Most phones in offices are made by them, but I don't know when they last turned a profit.

  • Report this Comment On June 04, 2009, at 9:28 AM, howboutme wrote:

    XETN and MIKEHADAD are both correct. I have an executive friend that works across seas for DOW chemical and he stated that America is a dead country. We do not produce anything and are just recycling our money within our country like a big swap meet. Unless we find something to produce revenue we will never get back. He said it would also have to be big (like inventing the computer), these other countries are going to blow right past us.

    I want to point out another cause of the problems we have and that is the evolution of the workers union. When they took over, their demands were above and beyond what companies could give so over the years the problem just kept growing. Companies were forced to find cheaper ways to do things just to satisfy the unions and the government backed them. America is all but dead, we need a huge breakthrough of any sort to have economic sustainability.

  • Report this Comment On June 04, 2009, at 10:51 AM, robertf36009 wrote:

    How strange. I know many factory workers involved in manufacturing. Some man injection molding machines that furnish parts to Hoover for fabricating vacume cleaners. Others on assembly lines making boards for electronics devices. Seems like the death of manufacturing has been greatly exagerated.

  • Report this Comment On June 07, 2009, at 9:58 AM, dodger0328 wrote:

    howboutme I think you hit one of the main issues that nobody seems to want to talk about, the unions. I believe that unions were once necessary, but they have went above and beyond. They are only part of the problem, but a very significant one. Where I live, one of the unions is threatening strike to get a guaranteed wage increase. Who in this economic climate would dare to ask that. They already have great benefits, I know because my wife works at one of the non-union stores. We saved a good deal of money switching to her health coverage. Many businesses that want to compete can't because their hands are tied.

  • Report this Comment On June 07, 2009, at 9:56 PM, Grandepiacere wrote:

    I thought the point of this of this thread was identifying the next GM. The next big boy to go down, whose long term prospect one might not want to bet on. An excercise that seems pointless in the extreme! Far more intersted in who we shoul be looking at not avoiding.

    What the hell is a service economy? LOL. Either you have something the rest of the world is willing to pony up for or you don't. Scratching each others backs doesn't make f all, and the rest of the world is not going to let us manage them. Gigs up.

  • Report this Comment On June 07, 2009, at 10:32 PM, msftgev wrote:

    Comcast see flygirls post.

    I have to deal with them all the time.

  • Report this Comment On June 10, 2009, at 6:57 PM, automaticaev wrote:

    Waffles are the next gm. Everyone sell all your waffle holdings. Government is entering discussions on how to bailout waffles.

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