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Are We Already in a Depression?

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The head of the International Monetary Fund (IMF) recently told reporters that the world’s advanced economies -- the U.S., Western Europe, and Japan -- are “already in depression,” saying: “The worst cannot be ruled out.”

Is he right? Has the ultimate disaster scenario occurred? I think not. If you ask me, Dominique Strauss-Kahn’s comments were irresponsible and have more to do with his ambitions to obtain additional funding and expand the IMF’s influence than with economic reality. Let’s look at the facts.

For one, there is no commonly agreed-upon definition of what constitutes a “depression.” The only (relatively) recent reference point we have in the U.S. is, of course, the Great Depression of the 1930s. Between 1929 and 1933, gross domestic product (GDP) in the United States fell by almost half, with a 23.3% drop recorded in a single year, 1932. In 1933, the general unemployment rate reached 25%; among nonfarm workers the rate was close to four in 10.

Sure, blue-chip employers announced more than 30,000 new job cuts in the last week of January alone:

Company

Number of Job Cuts (week of 01/26/09)

Pfizer (NYSE: PFE  )

10,110

Caterpillar (NYSE: CAT  )

5,000

Boeing (NYSE: BA  )

4,500

General Motors (NYSE: GM  )

2,000

Home Depot (NYSE: HD  )

7,000

Sprint Nextel (NYSE: S  )

8,000

Those numbers look awful in a headline, and the situation is no doubt distressing for those involved, but we need to remember that there are approximately 150 million people in the U.S. labor force. The current unemployment rate is 7.6%, and while I expect it to exceed 10% at some point, we are still very far from the horrific numbers recorded during the Great Depression.

In terms of GDP declines, the IMF’s own latest forecast, published at the end of January, looks like a hayride compared to the Great Depression:

 

2009

2010

U.S.

(1.6%)

1.6%

European Union

(1.8%)

0.5%

Japan

(2.6%)

0.6%

On the other hand, perhaps the Great Depression is simply an extreme example of economic depression (it is called “Great,” after all) and we could be in the first stages of a milder one. Former IMF chief economist Simon Johnson says the term refers to a protracted contraction lasting around five years. By that token, Japan in the 1990s could be a recent example of an advanced economy stuck in depression.

If that is the standard, then I think the U.S. certainly runs the risk of being stuck in a depression over the next five years, but whether that occurs depends heavily on the government’s response to this crisis. However, even by this measure, it would be impossible to say that we are already in one, for the outcome depends on future actions and events. We (and that includes the head of the IMF) will only be able to say in several years’ time.

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  • Report this Comment On February 09, 2009, at 4:45 PM, FinancialFellow wrote:

    I hate to say it but part of me wishes we were in a depression. Maybe then people will start saving more of their money. The country has a negative savings rate. That's dispicable. People use their credit cards and home equity too much. It's unsustainable. I've spent some time investigating high interest online savings banks to find out who offers the best rate/terms: http://financialfellow.com/2009/02/09/a-review-of-high-inter...

  • Report this Comment On February 09, 2009, at 4:51 PM, Rasbold wrote:

    We have been spoiled for a long time. The recession in the 90's was not real bad or real long. The gas rations were hard, but overall, we have been on an upswing since the Nifty Fifties, not just financially, but in all regards. After being able to pull out tens of thousands in home equity without even having a job, to not even being able to find a job is a rough transition. That is why people panicked so much. We were not prepared.

    Our lack of preparation and the fallout arising is what will give the new investors with new money the chance to stake a major, life changing claim in this market.

    Buy Now, Buy Hard and Your Dow will never Jones!

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  • Report this Comment On February 09, 2009, at 9:17 PM, brwn8484 wrote:

    From CAGW

    "CBO Report on the Spendorama…

    Posted on February 2, 2009 by Libby Wright

    The Congressional Budget Office has done a cost estimate of the Senate version of the “stimulus” bill. CAGW received this analysis from a staffer on Capitol Hill:

    The attached CBO report concludes that only 49 percent of the discretionary spending spends out in the first two years. Even with the mandatory spending, only 59 percent spends out. This falls short of the President’s call for 75 percent to be spent out in the first two years. Tax relief is less than 30 percent of the total package, or 25 percent less than the President’s call for 40 percent for tax relief. By adding the $389 billion in interest expense, the total cost of this bill is almost $1.3 trillion.

    Here is what the CBO says on the first page:

    Assuming enactment in mid-February, CBO estimates that H.R. 1, as amended, would increase outlays by $132 billion during the remaining several months of fiscal year 2009, by $242 billion in fiscal year 2010 (which begins on October 1), by $145 billion in 2011, and by a total of $632 billion over the 2009-2019 period. That spending includes outlays from discretionary appropriations in Division A and direct spending resulting from Division B.

    The report proves the bill is simply “spending on steroids.” The economy needs a boost quickly, not several years down the road. The only thing the legislation will stimulate are the deficit, the debt, and the interest on the debt.

    In addition,, much of the stimulus packages and TARP are only filled with liberal spending, including provisions for universal healthcare. Without question, our congressional leaders are continuing to lie to the American people when it comes to govt spending. We were lied to about original intent of TARP money and we are being lied to again.

    When the Great Depression began, unemployment was 16% and after the huge govt spending plans unleashed on America, unemployment rose to 25%. Actually, unemployment was still 25%, at least 9 years following the Great Depression. Now we are following the same destructive path of Keynesian theory. At least the smartest of us can prepare for the next ??? years of destructive tax and spend politics.

    Hang in there boys, its about to get worse. Our brilliant leaders are sending us down the same misquided path that got us into this same type of mess back in 29.

  • Report this Comment On February 09, 2009, at 9:30 PM, brwn8484 wrote:

    One more thing... According to CAGW

    "Economic Crisis, Congressional Reward

    Wednesday, January 14, 2009

    By: Sean Kennedy

    Wastewatcher, January 2009

    With the economy in recession, a national debt of $10.6 trillion, and a record estimated deficit of $1.2 trillion for the fiscal year, it seems a strange time for Congress to be receiving a raise, yet that is exactly what is scheduled to happen as the new session begins.

    Established in 1989 by the Ethics Reform Act, members of Congress receive an automatic cost-of-living increase each year. For 2009, Congress is scheduled to receive a raise of 2.8 percent, or $4,700. This would elevate the base pay for Members to $174,000.

    Congress has rejected a pay raise only four times over the twenty years since it became automatic, from 1994 to 1997.

    Rep. Harry Mitchell (D-Ariz.) introduced a bill last year to prevent the 2009 pay raise, but it had just 34 co-sponsors. Rep. Mitchell plans to introduce a similar bill to halt the 2010 salary increase. There is likely to be more support than usual to block the pay raise for next year, perhaps because members have been shamed into action by the current economic climate.

    Regarding 2009, Article XXVII of the Constitution states, “No law, varying the compensation for the services of the Senators and Representatives, shall take effect, until an election of Representatives shall have intervened.” Consequently, since the pay raise for the current year has already gone into effect, it cannot be rescinded, short of a new Constitutional Amendment.

    Nothing exemplifies the disconnect that exists on Capitol Hill more perfectly than accepting a raise during a recession. Although insignificant compared to the national debt or projected deficit for the 2009 fiscal year, the $2.5 million the pay raise will cost taxpayers is highly symbolic.

    While Americans are scraping to get by during the current economic downturn, members of Congress continue to live high on the hog. Congress should repeal the automatic annual pay raise for 2010 and collectively agree to donate their increase in pay for 2009 to charity."

    Makes me wonder why all are leaders are so outraged over executive compensation issues. When our leaders are in top 5% off all wage earners, how can we believe their indignation with unreasonable pay and compensation. When will we wake up?

  • Report this Comment On February 10, 2009, at 7:27 AM, pedorrero wrote:

    Give the stimulus bill(s) a year or two to work (or not) .. and it may become obvious that we are in something worthy of the name "depression." Or perhaps this crisis can be papered over, like so many prior, and we will go on the inflation/boom/growth merry-go-round once more. There are many fundamental errors that need to be corrected...whether that'll happen soon is anyone's guess.

    Notable: experts STILL argue over the cause of the great depression. Also, many authors note that government programs did NOT get us out of the Depression, unless you count WW II as a government program (check those unemployment figures up until 1941)

  • Report this Comment On February 16, 2009, at 3:19 AM, Aard88 wrote:

    @ truthisntstupid

    Actually one side has had it's way since the Reagan era. We are now experiencing what that causes. So by my estimation it's high time we tried something else.

  • Report this Comment On February 17, 2009, at 1:47 AM, onyshua wrote:

    About 20 years ago I started writing predictions about the past decade based on a theory that scientific revolutions and industrial revolutions happen at 80 year intervals, more and less, and that these industrial revolutions lead to two kinds of economic depressionary periods. One kind happens during the industrial revolutions (1890s, 1970s, etc.) and another kind happens midway between these industrial revolution depressions about 10 years after the beginning of a productivity growth acceleration.

    About 10 years after the beginning of a productivity growth spurt, like happened about 1999, since there is the formatation of oligopolies and a cessation of introduction of new kinds of products, people become unemployed. I call this kind of depression "technological acceleration" depressions. During these depressions, there has been high productivity growth rates. Productivity growth will continue to increase during the next two decades I predict, if the economy follows the past pattern. By about 2030 or 2040, it will reach a peak. This matches what happened in the last two cycles. This theory is an explanation for the Kondratiev wave as I described in articles you can see online at lenr-canr or on my website cust38.metawerx.com.au

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