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Yesterday, my fellow Fool Alex Dumortier presented a relatively bearish case for the market, suggesting that recent slumps are signs that the market is overextended and ready to make a potentially significant dip.

In recent months, I've been thinking along the same lines. In his article, Alex mentions the valuation work by Yale economist Robert Shiller, who has maintained running calculations of 10-year average price-to-earnings ratios (or "cyclically adjusted" P/Es, as he calls them) for the S&P composite index going back to 1881. The implications of this key piece of valuation data have been troubling me lately, because the current 10-year average P/E ratio is 19.7 -- notably above the long-term average of 16.4.

And you can't argue with data can you?

Who said I want to argue?
The thing to remember about valuations is that they're not a binary signal telling you whether you should be jumping in or out of the market. Rather, they're a signpost to the kind of returns you can expect from whatever you're investing in. As a simple rule, the higher the valuation you pay for any given investment, the lower your returns are going to be.

When we look at Shiller's data, it should be noted that the average cyclically adjusted P/E over the past 30 years has been 21.2, suggesting that a reading of 19.7 might not mean an imminent fall in the market. In fact, it may mean the market will continue to rise.

But whether the market falls back to a cyclically adjusted P/E of 16.4 or rises to 21.2, the simple idea above holds true: The higher the valuation you pay, the lower your returns are likely to be.

Buy, sell, or fold?
With that in mind, investors -- particularly those with a long-term focus -- shouldn't care whether the market is going to rise or fall tomorrow, next month, or next year. The key is buying stocks at valuations that imply attractive results, and making sure those stocks are backed by companies that will live up to your expectations.

But enough beating around the bush. Are there stocks out there right now that could still produce attractive returns? In his article, Alex highlighted GMO Chairman Jeremy Grantham's most recent investor letter and his dour view of the U.S. equity markets.

However, if we go beyond the broad market picture, it's notable that Grantham points out that many risky stocks have been the prime beneficiaries of the market's advances and are a particularly overvalued group. I can only assume he's referring to stocks like Las Vegas Sands (NYSE: LVS  ) and Fifth Third Bancorp (Nasdaq: FITB  ) , which have gone from being considered close to dead to putting up ridiculous returns.

Meanwhile, he singles out "U.S. high quality" equities as a group that's relatively underpriced and could handily outperform the rest of the market. In his seven-year return forecasts, he suggests that this high-quality group could deliver 6.8% per year versus 1.3% for all U.S. large-cap equities.

In his letter, Grantham doesn't exactly spell out what constitutes a "U.S. high quality" equity, or offer up specific stock picks, but we can probably safely assume that his fund holds goodly chunks of these "high quality" potential outperformers. Here's a peek at some of GMO's top 10 stock holdings:

Company

Dollar Amount
Invested

Percentage of
GMO Portfolio

Current
Price-to-Earnings Ratio

Johnson & Johnson (NYSE: JNJ  )

$1.6 billion

2.9%

14.3

Microsoft

$1.5 billion

2.8%

15.4

Wal-Mart Stores

$1.4 billion

2.6%

15.4

Oracle (Nasdaq: ORCL  )

$1.3 billion

2.4%

20.5

Pfizer (NYSE: PFE  )

$1.3 billion

2.4%

14.9

Procter & Gamble (NYSE: PG  )

$1.0 billion

1.9%

16.6

PepsiCo (NYSE: PEP  )

$850 million

1.6%

18.1

Sources: Capital IQ (a Standard & Poor's company) and Yahoo! Finance.Boring? You betcha. But this is about long-term wealth-building. If you want adventure and excitement, I hear bungee jumping is quite a thrill.

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Microsoft, Pfizer, and Wal-Mart are Motley Fool Inside Value selections. Johnson & Johnson, PepsiCo, and Procter & Gamble are Income Investor selections. Motley Fool Options has recommended a buy calls position on Johnson & Johnson. Motley Fool Options has recommended a diagonal call position on Microsoft. The Fool owns shares of Oracle and Procter & Gamble. Try any of our Foolish newsletters today, free for 30 days.

Fool contributor Matt Koppenheffer owns shares of Johnson & Johnson, but does not own shares of any of the other companies mentioned. You can check out what Matt is keeping an eye on by visiting his CAPS portfolio, or you can follow Matt on Twitter @KoppTheFool. The Fool's disclosure policy has never once been caught with its pants down. Of course, it doesn't actually wear pants ...


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  • Report this Comment On February 10, 2010, at 1:39 PM, spokanimal wrote:

    Matt,

    I see that your knowledge of Las Vegas Sands and the gaming industry is Zero.

    Your mindless comments relating to LVS removed the credibility you might have had for the remainder of this piece you wrote.

    The fact that you "draw assumptions" like that from Granthum's principles tells me that you know little about Granthum and even less about investing.

    Spokanimal

  • Report this Comment On February 10, 2010, at 2:06 PM, TMFKopp wrote:

    Thanks for stopping by spok, though I think it's worth noting for the benefit of other readers that you own LVS and you stop by every article that mentions LVS to talk your book.

    Look, I don't think LVS is a terrible company. Like you, I think they've been very smart about diversifying their property base outside of Las Vegas. Not to mention the fact that their properties are pretty top notch.

    But let's call a spade a spade here. The company is swimming in debt, it's still spending heavily on capex, and thanks to the stock's big run, it's trading at some pretty healthy multiples. I don't think it's crazy to like LVS (it's got a thumbs up in my CAPS portfolio), but I do think it's a little nuts to expect that LVS might be included under a heading like "high quality."

    Matt

  • Report this Comment On February 10, 2010, at 6:15 PM, FortunesFormula wrote:

    But Matt....in Spok's defense, Motley Fool continually mentions LVS in a negative way.

    There are over 10,000 stocks out there but you "can only assume" Granthum's talking about Las Vegas Sands? Why name LVS specifically?

    You guys say you don't have an ax to grind with LVS but there aren't too many days that pass when the stock isn't mentioned in a negative way.

    I will agree with Spok that you guys unfairly call out LVS way too much. And, talk about the pot calling the kettle black........you tell Spok he's talking his book, but isn't that what you are doing as well with the JNJ? And isn't that the entire MF articles are doing as they attempt to sell subscriptions?

    Coming to the defense of your investment isn't talking your book. You guys talk your book, Spok doesn't have the platform you guys do....he was just pointing out that while MF talks its book, it is unfairly talking down his.

    FF

  • Report this Comment On February 11, 2010, at 12:13 AM, TMFKopp wrote:

    @FortunesFormula

    First of all, I should point out that The Motley Fool isn't a single voice, so I really can't speak for how anyone else mentions LVS.

    I believe that my past coverage of LVS has been pretty fair (http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2009/07/22/are-casino-..., though spok tends to be unhappy unless you are suggesting that LVS is the only stock that it makes sense to own period.

    But to your specific points...

    "There are over 10,000 stocks out there but you "can only assume" Granthum's talking about Las Vegas Sands? Why name LVS specifically?"

    I called out two stocks as potential examples. Why LVS? Because it's stock has had an absolutely massive run-up over the past year and it's a good example of a company that doesn't exactly have its fiscal house in order. Ditto for Fifth Third.

    "you tell Spok he's talking his book, but isn't that what you are doing as well with the JNJ?"

    Ahh yes, but the reason you know that you know I own JNJ is because it's specifically mentioned.

    Look, the bottom line is that if spok wants to point out why it's unfair to think that LVS might not be a "high quality" US equity then that's A-OK. But it's pretty unproductive to leave combative comments with no substance.

    Matt

  • Report this Comment On February 11, 2010, at 7:33 AM, FortunesFormula wrote:

    Matt,

    Thank you for your response....I was going to leave it at that, but one thing you said bothered me. You called out LVS again due to the "absolutely massive run-up over the past year".

    It isn't fair to call out a stocks performance off of the bottom of the worst market since the Great Depression.

    If that were the case you would correctly be assuming that the March 2009 low's reflected "correct" pricing of all the prices in the market.

    To be fair here, you would need to also address the fact that LVS is down 90% from its all time high.

    This is the problem with most articles written regarding any and all stocks.....most all of them are written with the slant to make the writers point.

    It's like when we hear that "this market has gone too far too fast". The way I see it, we're up less than 1% over the past 11 years!! It isn't like we just rocketed from 6,500 to 10,000 for the FIRST time, in which case, yes, a 54% one year gain would probably be "too far too fast", but the bigger picture paints a different story.

    Anyway, thanks again for your response.

    FF

  • Report this Comment On February 11, 2010, at 4:08 PM, TMFKopp wrote:

    @FF

    "Thank you for your response"

    No problem, the last thing I want to do is give the impression that I'm randomly down on a particular stock.

    Your factual points are true, but a lot changed since LVS's all-time high. Most notably that debt went from being everybody's best friend to a thing that could absolutely slaughter a company.

    A lot of LVS's appeal has always been the promise of the future -- what happens when the next big hotel opens -- and this was very true when LVS was hitting its highs and trading at nonsensical valuations.

    From a financial standpoint, the September '07 quarter was a down quarter from an operating profit standpoint thanks in large part to the opening of Venetian Macau, but if you look at the quarters surrounding that period, the company was making considerably more profit than it has been lately. Meanwhile, the company's debt burden has gone from around $7 billion to approaching $12 billion.

    In addition, when LVS was hitting its highs, it had an Altman Z score in a very safe range. But since the third quarter of 2008, that has been below 1.

    So like I said before, I think LVS is an interesting company, particularly when viewed within the gaming sector. But I just don't think the stock is cheap anymore -- particularly considering the challenges it faces. Since I wrote the article that I linked above, the stock has risen about 65%. Of course I'm certainly all ears if you or spok wants to make a case for why it's still cheap.

    Overall I think it needs to be approached with a good dose of caution and there's no way that I'd consider the stock among an elite group of high quality equities.

    Matt

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