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It's grim out there. The market is down 33% since the beginning of September. The financial contagion that started with the U.S. subprime mortgage defaults has spread to Europe and Asia. Fully 60% of Americans in a recent survey believed that a depression -- replete with 25% unemployment and widespread homelessness and hunger -- is "likely." And just 9% of Americans, an all-time low, were satisfied with the way things are going in the country.

It's gotten so bad, in fact, that the Booyah Bull himself, Jim Cramer, told investors last month to pull any money they need for the next five years out of the market.

Now, that's not necessarily bad advice
Of course, you should never be investing the hard-earned dollars that you need to pay your bills over the next few years. But if you heed the wisdom of the late Sir John Templeton -- whom we recently eulogized as the world's most important investor -- you should always be ready, willing, and able to invest some of your long-term savings in common stocks at -- and this is crucial -- the point of maximum pessimism.

What can happen when you buy at the point of maximum pessimism? Well, as Sir John proved when he famously purchased 100 shares of 104 companies trading for $1 per share or less in 1939, as the market panicked at the outset of World War II, you can make a lot of money.

The good news for you today is that given that data presented above, we're getting pretty darn close to that point -- only 9% of Americans are left to be convinced.

An important caveat
This, however, does not mean that the market has bottomed. It could well get worse before it gets better, particularly since the credit markets remain frozen and home prices look like they have a bit more "rationalizing" to do.

But some stellar businesses are already selling at hefty discounts to the norm:

Company

Current P/E

5-Year Average P/E

Wal-Mart (NYSE: WMT)

16.4

19.9

Costco (Nasdaq: COST)

17.3

24.6

Cisco Systems (Nasdaq: CSCO)

13.2

27.7

Adobe (Nasdaq: ADBE)

16.1

37.2

Valero Energy (NYSE: VLO)

3.9

7.9

Data from Morningstar.com.

Are you brave enough to start today?
Rather than try to time the market and catch these names on the way back up, start dollar-cost averaging into an array of superior names now (remember, Sir John purchased shares in 104 companies) with a commitment to holding shares for the next five years or more. That's the only time-tested way to turn current market volatility to your advantage, and the rewards will be great for those with the courage and resources to do so.

The key, though (and this bears repeating), is to average in -- keeping some money on the sidelines if the market continues to drop -- and adding new money, even in small amounts, on a regular basis. That's a particularly prudent tack today, given the low costs of trading and the violent unpredictability of today's stock market.

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This article was first published Oct. 9, 2008. It has been updated.

Tim Hanson owns no shares of any company mentioned ... yet. Costco is a Stock Advisor recommendation. Wal-Mart is a Motley Fool Inside Value pick. The Motley Fool's disclosure policy is a good one, gosh darn it.

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  • Report this Comment On November 14, 2008, at 2:31 PM, madmilker wrote:

    BAD if the American people don't wake up...

    People in America need to realize jus what got America in this shape..."cheap" yes so-call cheap items from a foreign land and now the largest company in America wants to make everything "green" but at the same time they put 95% made in China in their stores in China and support Chinese export...don't take my word...its on their China web page

    quote*Wal-Mart firmly believes in local procurement. We recognize that by purchasing quality products, we can generate more job opportunities, support local manufacturing and boost economic development. Over 95% of the merchandise in our stores in China is sourced locally. We have established partnerships with nearly 20,000 suppliers in China. *end quote!

    Now! if there be 182 country's making items for the world to buy and they have only 5% of the pie in China...duh! This company makes the nice people of China support their currency(yuan) by keeping it in their country working for the people there.... but with the "yuan" going up in value and the US dollar going down...all the foreign items that the American consumer buys thinking it is cheap has went up in price.

    People...its all about the currency and to keep a currency strong you got to keep it floating around the country you live in so it can work for you. For the past 12 years all them US dollars are being shipped overseas to a foreign bank and with the American worker not making anything for the foreigner to buy the "we the people" have to turn to the "second" largest employer in America(Uncle Sam) to sell "we the people" debt in order to get all them dollars back!

    50 years ago a foreigner would had given their left nut for a US dollar or a Hershey's chocolate bar and today the same foreigner has got Uncle Sam and the American consumer by both all the while Hershey is moving the chocolate factory to Mexico. Wake up! America and think "MADE IN AMERICA."

  • Report this Comment On November 14, 2008, at 7:10 PM, 181736065 wrote:

    "The key, though (and this bears repeating), is to average in -- keeping some money on the sidelines if the market continues to drop -- and adding new money, even in small amounts, on a regular basis. That's a particularly prudent tack today, given the low costs of trading and the violent unpredictability of today's stock market."

    I agree 101%, but .. what about those who are 100% invested? Should they pull some $ out, and "average back in".. or should they "let it ride"" and risk further loss?

    Here's how bad it can get, from Nouriel Roubini in this week's Forbes (who has pretty much been right on target over the last year or two!)

    "For 2009, the consensus estimates for earnings are delusional: Current consensus estimates are that S&P 500 earnings per share (EPS) will be $90 in 2009, up 15% from 2008. Such estimates are outright silly. If EPS falls--as is most likely--to a level of $60, then with a price-to-earnings (P/E) ratio of 12, the S&P 500 index could fall to 720 (i.e. about 20% below current levels).

    If the P/E falls to 10--as is possible in a severe recession--the S&P could be down to 600, or 35% below current levels.

    And in a very severe recession, one cannot exclude that EPS could fall as low as $50 in 2009, dragging the S&P 500 index to as low as 500. So, even based on fundamentals and valuations, there are significant downside risks to U.S. equities (20% to 40%)."

    So, we could go down a lot further.

  • Report this Comment On November 14, 2008, at 7:58 PM, a46 wrote:

    Why do u keep lieing?

    Please it is enough. I have lost my 40 years savings thanks to u.

  • Report this Comment On November 14, 2008, at 9:08 PM, 7iles wrote:

    Ok folks, have a look at the Dow Jones chart from 1900 to today...

    http://stockcharts.com/charts/historical/djia1900.html

    The index has gone up exponentially since about 1984 - there is no precedent in the last 100 some years to what we have seen since 1984 to now. Consumer debt has driven this amazing run-up in the stock market and at some point the pendulum has to swing back to a more normalized value. The last time the index rose this high this fast was pre-1930 and the index didn't reach its 1929 level until 1955. So for those who think the market is cheap now better beware... it could come down to the 3000 point level very, very easily and we might not see the 2007 level again until 2020 or later.

  • Report this Comment On November 14, 2008, at 9:16 PM, nightowlcat wrote:

    Please, Motley Fool, look at the big picture! The stock market is still overvalued in relation to profits, and the profit picture is what all stocks will eventually trend towards. Look at the chart in this link: www.comstockfunds.com/files/NLPP00000%5C026.pdf

    It shows that the Internet bubble that was finally starting to correct 2000 - 2003 got waylaid by the new housing bubble that started in 2003. We are still recovering from two bubbles, not one!

    The estimated P/E for the S&P in 2009 is 58.87 according to this source. Our economy will have no more than 0% growth this year on average. Go to the "Buffet calculator" at http://www.moneychimp.com/articles/valuation/buffett_calc.ht... , plug $58.87 into the earnings space, plug in 0 for growth and see what you get--$588. At the current level for the S&P 500, $873.29, those 500 companies in the S&P 500 MUST grow at 9% annually to justify its price.

    I think it is irresponsible to recommend stock as you do in this article by using the last 5-year average P/E as a comparison because the last 5 years were still inflated! THIS crash is correcting what the last one in 2002 failed to do.

    Run the basic valuation I've described above on Wal-Mart and you will find out that it is STILL overvalued. Even WalMart itself is projecting 3% growth for next year--this from the company itself, not analysts. Plug that number into the calculator with their current earnings and see what you get.

    Asking us if we're "brave enough to start today" is foolish. Anyone that invests in this market without knowing a lot about fundamental valuation analysis and Graham's Margin of Safety is just gambling and not investing Foolishly.

  • Report this Comment On November 15, 2008, at 5:21 PM, RaginSteve wrote:

    Looking at historic P/Es vs current only works if growth prospects havent changed. Can anyone really expect earnings growth from Walmart to match historic levels, even with a non-toxic financial climate? ... Big fan of VLO, believing that they will be winners, assuming anything better than global recession. (I am an amateur, with a small stake. But I can envision no investing strategy which doesn't assume reasonable energy demand, and pricing- without which replenishment of reserves, alternate energy development, and polysilicon projects wither. And I resort to hunter- gathering. So might you.)

  • Report this Comment On November 16, 2008, at 10:04 AM, markwg1 wrote:

    Why we are here it's because housing prices were plunged (dropped on avg 35% in US) since summer 2007.

    If you read more news about home sales, in many parts of the US, house sales were already picking up since Oct 2008 (up 120% in San Jose area in Oct 2008 Vs Oct 2007), up 65% in San Francisco, up 45% in Valley, etc.

    Link: http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D93V74M80.htm

    Once the home prices recovers (we are now very close at the bottom of housing market), then economy activities (e.g. constructions, etc.) will be picking up again.

    I think Obama should build more public housing (like China) to make housing more affordable to their citizens! so the Americans will have more $$ to spend... instead of wasting their $$ just to pay their cars, mortgages, etc.

  • Report this Comment On November 16, 2008, at 10:32 AM, 181736065 wrote:

    Near the bottom of the housing crisis? Ha... you must be a "Realtor". Their economists have been overly optimistic for three years now and have been giving out consistently wrong predictions. Look at the inventory numbers and divide them by last year's demand. I think you'll find we have several years to go.

  • Report this Comment On November 16, 2008, at 1:06 PM, loudoungroup wrote:

    When nobody is left wanting to average down, I'll be a buyer.

    See you at DOW 2800-3200 by 2010.

    GD 2.0: 1929-1932 now 2007-2010

    Regards, Ken

  • Report this Comment On November 16, 2008, at 3:16 PM, FinancialFellow wrote:

    I can't believe that 60% of Americans believe that it is likely that we are going into a depression with 25% unemployment and widespread hunger. Are you kidding me? That is pretty drastic. Things are bad out there but they'd have to get exponentially worse to hit those numbers. I don't think people fully appreciate the magnitude of the Great Depression. Speaking of retirement interesting consideration on future returns: http://financialfellow.com/2008/11/09/10-annual-return-is-un...

  • Report this Comment On November 16, 2008, at 6:44 PM, markwg1 wrote:

    fe3lixallen:

    the US housing market was entering a correction phase since the Summer 2006...

    if housing market correction isn't over, why there's more than 100% of home buying transactions in San Jose (Vs Oct 2007)?

    Do you think the housing prices will eventually go to zero?

  • Report this Comment On November 17, 2008, at 8:17 AM, 181736065 wrote:

    "Do you think the housing prices will eventually go to zero?"

    Of course not.. but.. read carefully....

    I am very involved with a company which manufactures key components for new homes and I was a real estate exec for 30 or so years. I follow the inventory numbers very closely. We measure "demand" based on need and ability to buy, not spikes caused by foreclosure opportunities which are happening in many regional areas..

    Unless a miracle occurs - the supply / demand equation says to look for another two years minimum in most large areas, and continued downward price pressure over that period. (Regional discrepancies from this do, and will continue, to exist.)

  • Report this Comment On November 17, 2008, at 10:38 AM, JaymayLA wrote:

    Calling any of these stocks a "buy" based on backwards-looking P/E ratios is unbelievably naive. Many Wall Street companies have been engineering their earnings with a combination of dishonest accounting, share buybacks and deferred debt.

    The game is up.

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