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Don't Invest Like Jon Stewart's Mom

Hey, that was a lot of awkward fun, wasn't it?

For those of you who missed The Daily Show with Jon Stewart last night, you'll have to turn to one of a million or so links on the Internet to see the rousing conclusion to "Basic Cable Personality Clash Skirmish '09," a.k.a. the weeklong feud between TheStreet.com's (Nasdaq: TSCM  ) Jim Cramer and Comedy Central's Jon Stewart. For those who would rather waste that 22 minutes of their life on Minesweeper or NCAA basketball, here's what we learned.

1. Yes, Jim Cramer is a manic clown.
2. Jim Cramer's nephew writes the Mad Money show while wearing his pajamas.
3. CNBC is not good at hard-hitting reporting.
4. Jon Stewart's pretty peeved about all this and ready to drop a few f-bombs to let folks know it.
5. Long-term investing doesn't work.

Wait, what?
As a practitioner of long-term investing here at The Motley Fool, I was pretty shocked by this revelation. But there it was as the interview was wrapping up. Let's go to the transcript:

Jon Stewart: My mother is 75. And she bought into the idea that long-term investing is the way to go. And guess what?

Jim Cramer: It didn't work.

[Jon Stewart assents with some Arthur Fonzarelli-type hand motion and concurrent clicking noise.]

We'll assume that was an assent
Now, I'm not going to pull a Rick Santelli and call Jon Stewart or his mother a loser because that would bring down the wrath of The Daily Show and Dora the Explorer (who my nephews envy, and if they saw her swearing at me in Spanish it would absolutely kill them) upon me. But even if Jon Stewart's mom -- like all of us long-term investors -- has lost a great deal of money over the past 16 or so months, that's not evidence that long-term investing doesn't work.

In fact, long-term investing is the only way to protect yourself from the manipulations, machinations, and generally idiocy that drive stock price movements on a day-to-day basis. And if Jon Stewart's mom truly is/was a long-term investor, then she should have come through this current calamity relatively ok provided she has been a long-term investor for the long-term and had been sticking to a disciplined multi-decade asset-allocation game plan. That means keeping a mix of stocks and bonds, and within that stock allocation having a mix of asset classes. It doesn't mean simply loading up on General Motors (NYSE: GM  ) , Eastman Kodak (NYSE: EK  ) , and Bear Stearns because Jim Cramer told you "Bear Stearns is fine!" -- and only those three stocks -- and throwing up your hands because it doesn't work.

Here's why
Let's assume Jon Stewart's mom started investing 30 years ago, in 1979, at age 45. Let's further the following simple allocation strategy:

  1. She invested simply in the Vanguard 500 Index (Nasdaq: VFINX  ) , a low-cost market-tracker that holds giants today such as ExxonMobil (NYSE: XOM  ) , General Electric (NYSE: GE  ) , and Wal-Mart (NYSE: WMT  ) .
  2. At age 55, she realized that she was nearing retirement and should be increasing her allocation to principal-protecting bonds, using the rule of thumb that her bond allocation should be equal to her age.
  3. Finally, let's assume that she invested the same amount of money, be it $1, $100, $1,000, or $10,000, at the beginning of each and every year.

Where would she be today following a greater than 50% collapse in the stock market?

I realize that's a lot of assumptions
Now, portfolio simulations like this are tricky to pull off and don't account for all the details -- such as, in this example, frictional costs or dividend yields which I'm assuming canceled out -- but they are illuminating. And according to my conservative math, for every $1 that Jon Stewart's mom put in over the trailing 30-year period, she would have $1.63 today. So, if all told, she had deposited $500,000 over the years (in annual $16,667 increments), she would have $815,000 today.

Now, let's be honest, that's not great.

It's not 10% or 20% annual returns, it's not turning thousands into millions, and it's not an enormous stock market success story. But it is certainly enough to live on and evidence of how long-term investing -- provided it's practiced with discipline and an eye toward asset allocation -- can protect your wealth and give you the opportunity to make money.

Because let's be honest, though the stock market is down today, it will rebound. Commerce around the world is too strong for it to be otherwise. And the worst thing Jon Stewart's mom could do today is -- at her son's behest -- give up faith in long-term investing as the market stands at a 10-year bottom.

In sum
Numbers, jokes, and snarky comments aside, what I'm saying is this: Rather than be angry, let's recognize that the stock market, like most human endeavors, is flawed. There will be disasters and blow-ups from time to time, just as there will be bubbles. Let's use this as an opportunity to educate more Americans about how to take control of their finances and ignore the market's manic day-to-day movements.

The solution is not to scare Americans into thinking the stock market is some Ponzi scheme controlled by immoral cretins that can never work for them. See, over time, those cretins are found out. And over time, everyone can make money in the stock market and enjoy a more secure retirement by having a long-term investing timeline and sticking to a disciplined asset allocation plan. That means not abandoning bonds when stocks are outperforming and not abandoning stocks when bonds are outperforming.

Do all of those things and long-term investing -- like how Fool co-founders David and Tom Gardner practice it at Motley Fool Stock Advisor -- can work for you.

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Tim Hanson does not own shares of any company mentioned. Wal-Mart is a Motley Fool Inside Value recommendation. The Fool's disclosure policy assures you that we're long-term investors who aren't manipulating the stock market in any way.


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  • Report this Comment On March 13, 2009, at 4:39 PM, slipsticklibby wrote:

    " In fact, long-term investing is the only way to protect yourself from the manipulations, machinations, and generally idiocy that drive stock price movements on a day-to-day basis. "

    The credibility of long-term investing depends very uch on which long term you pick.

    Is 25 years long enough?

    If you bought the Dow at the peak in 1929, in would have taken you 25 years to get back to the same number (381).

    But that doesn't account for inflation. Using the gov'ts own inflation figures, it would be 1964.

    But that's wrong,too, because there was more inflation than those gov't figures admit. Remember going off the gold standard in 1935 and the change in the price of gold from $21.oz to $35/oz? Maybe we should talk 1974- -at least.

    That's 45 years - better than half a lifetime.

    Think about The South Sea Bubble. Plenty of stocks were available to spread your risk over. You'd still be waiting to have those worthless pieces of moldy paper save you. How about the Mississippi bubble?

    Plenty of nations have enjoyed long periodsof prosperity, then gone into slumps they have yet to pull out of.

    Why do you believe the US is immune?

  • Report this Comment On March 13, 2009, at 4:45 PM, keyloans wrote:

    So your saying over 30 years Jon's mother would have earned 2.1% per year. She would have done better putting her money in CD's every six months

  • Report this Comment On March 13, 2009, at 4:53 PM, Airudite wrote:

    If that's all you learned, I think you missed the main points, which were (as I see it):

    1. There are two investment realities: 'Salesmen' who tell us to 'Go long and don't worry,' and the back-room manipulators.

    2. The back-room manipulators need to be better regulated, as recent events have demonstrated.

    3. Until better regulation is established, the question "Who can you trust?" is a very wise one to ask. Frequently. (Remember, Madoff's fund was WIDELY recommended.)

    Now, a couple of observations on your comments.

    1. If you think being 'pretty peeved' about seeing people be 'gamed' is an over-reaction, you sound less like an investor and more like a back-room type.

    2. Your comment "long-term investing is the only way to protect yourself from the manipulations, machinations, and generally idiocy that drive stock price movements" ignores that MANYinvestors in now-defunct businesses are, I am SURE, long-term investors. Were they protected? And, if someone pulled their money out of the market in 2006 or 2007, how much could they benefit now? Whereas, for those who follow your advice and stay in, HOW LONG will they have to wait to recoup their losses?

    3. An ironic observation. If too many people had 'done the right thing' and pulled their money out, that would have precipitated a crash earlier. But, it doesn't change the fact that it would have still protected THEIR assets.

    Pardon the caps; I can't underline.

  • Report this Comment On March 13, 2009, at 5:08 PM, MrManlyMcManerso wrote:

    RE: Tim Hanson

    Did you miss the episode last night? Jon Stewart wasn't critical of long-term investments, so it wasn't attacking you, but rather he was trying to convey that the game Cramer was pushing on his show, the short-term investments, was help to create a bigger bubble that help hyper-inflate the market.

    Also, the main premise of the 'Stewart vs Cramer' had nothing to do with investing. Jon Stewart was actually talking about media outlet that are complete devoid of any journalistic integrity - mainly, but not solely, CNBS - and that 'getting the interview' with somebody important takes precedence of asking the right, and often hard, questions, doing research, presenting the fact (not regurgitating what 'a source' tells a journalist by including 'the source's' quote in the hopes to relieve one's self of any type of journalist integrity and responsibility), and also about how news companies label their network as something that they are not.

    Anyway, I'm sure you knew that before posting this article, which speak volumes about the journalistic integrity of Montley Fool.

    Regards,

  • Report this Comment On March 13, 2009, at 5:15 PM, ByrneShill wrote:

    It seemed to me that Jon's biggest beef with CNBC was how CNBC boast about knowing everything while actually not knowing much. The "In Cramer we trust" credo especially seemed to tick Jon.

    I know it does make me tick.

  • Report this Comment On March 13, 2009, at 5:42 PM, bertoman wrote:

    The point Jon Stewart was making (to which Jim Cramer agreed) is that the long term investors funded the excesses of the Wall Street insiders who share some responsibility to the current financial crisis. So what if long term investing turns a profit if you wait long enough. No one is disputing that. Just because the Wall Street insiders left something for the long term investors does not excuse their behavior.

  • Report this Comment On March 13, 2009, at 5:49 PM, Snertie wrote:

    Seems to me that this whole thing started as a distraction after the now famous Santelli outburst, and then when Cramer had the nerve to say out loud that the current market represented "the most, greatest wealth destruction I've seen by a president". For a guy who was formerly an overt Obama supporter before the election, this was simply unacceptable to the rest of the media. Cramer was ripe to be taken down. But since he was basically right, (for once) the takedown couldn't be done by the "serious" media. It had to be a comic, who for once decided to be serious, which was neither funny or possible to be taken seriously.

    Although I find Cramer entertaining in short bursts, I've never taken him the least bit seriously. Certainly no more so that I take Jon Stewart. Or the CNBC hype-machine for that matter. But then again, CNBC's "journalistic integrity" is certainly little worse than that of their parent network, or the rest of the mainstream media.

  • Report this Comment On March 13, 2009, at 6:23 PM, papamikekilo wrote:

    The fallacy in Mr. Hanson's article which cites going from 500k to 815k over 30 years of investing is that, if one takes the purchasing power of the two values into account, the buy-and-hold investor got hosed.

    The dollar amounts are not the measure that is relevant - the constant dollar value is.

  • Report this Comment On March 13, 2009, at 6:25 PM, TMFDiogenes wrote:

    Agree with you all -- I think Jon did an awesome job. I think Tim's point was that when markets are down there's an understandable but dangerous tendency for people to swear off long term investing.

    Slipsticklibby,

    "If you bought the Dow at the peak in 1929, in would have taken you 25 years to get back to the same number (381)."

    That's actually a myth because it doesn't account for dividends:

    http://www.fool.com/investing/dividends-income/2009/02/14/th...

    Sweet article, Tim.

  • Report this Comment On March 13, 2009, at 6:31 PM, mthammer wrote:

    Cramer is not right all the time & you need to check fundamentals before you act. John Stewart on the other hand is person who likes making fun of people . He is especially good at destroying ones credibility and then when confronted , his reply is I am only kidding can't you take a joke. He doesn't even read the guests books who he interviews at the end of the program and admits it to the guests.John Stewart is a low life, all jim had to say was how many Books have you written, Oh I should have broght along those clips of your shows, where you show a complete lack of respect. Your show is on 30 minutes , Jim Cramer on 1 hour, Jim show has a disclaimer , why doesn't yours for all the political bashing you have done over the last 6 years. You even have to add comedians because you can't handle the show all by yourself, not enough people available to demolish. That is the main reason he wasn't asked back to Host on TV anymore for his lact of respect for his fellowman. John get a life , I don't understand how you get through the door to the studio anymore , your head & Ego is so big it barely fits.We love You Jim Cramer.

  • Report this Comment On March 13, 2009, at 7:23 PM, TheGarcipian wrote:

    Cramer is a mixed bag for me. IMO, he's very entertaining and I like the guy very much, but he's done a lot of damage to people's portfolios, particularly for those new to investing and those with considerably less time to devote to following the market and its wild gyrations than Jim has. Sorry, mthammer, you're not a fan of The Daily Show, for I think you missed the point. But each to his own.

    As for Jim Cramer, they track his calls on CAPS under the player name of TrackJimCramer, and Uncle Jimbo has a sizzling accuracy of less than 47%. Tossing a coin will get you those kind of results. So, you gotta wonder how much are you are gaining for all the noise out there in Mad Money and other CNBC shows? In a nutshell, *THAT* was Stewart's point. In fact, my toaster makes better predictions: see the comments starting with #20 of this blog entry

    http://caps.fool.com/Blogs/ViewPost.aspx?bpid=159218&t=0...

    if you're interested.

    Nice article, Tim.

    Peace,

    --Gar

  • Report this Comment On March 13, 2009, at 9:25 PM, orofnap wrote:

    awesome! my mother is eighty five. she didn't start when she was 45, she started when my grandfather was 25 (before the depression). he didn't stop, and it paid off big time. when you add the house in the suburbs that was paid for then sold, the increase in capital is greater. if stewart's mother can no longer pay to have her lawn mowed, he ought to be a good son and do it himself, while not whining over lost bmws.

  • Report this Comment On March 13, 2009, at 9:56 PM, oldfossil99 wrote:

    I am so tired of people like Tim. The basic assumption that Tim has, and is shared by most of the people in the United States, is that money is wealth. Money is debt! Money represents a debt that the society in which you live owes to you in goods and services. If you have saved money, that represents goods and services that you have forgone today, and now have an IOU from the society for future goods and services. The problem is that someone has to produce those goods and services. In saving money, you are betting that the society will have the expertise and labor force to produce the goods and services so you can redeem your IOU. So the basic assumption that by accumulating money you have accumulated wealth is wrong. What you have accumulated is society's IOUs.

    What does this have to do with long term investing? This. For your IOUs to be worth anything a reasonably stable economy and society is necessary. With "poorly regulated" capitalism, the economy and society itself are inherently unstable. The system has built in "positive feedback" making it inherently unstable. With an unstable system, long term investing is a joke! The stock market is no more than a big casino and you are playing high stakes poker. The small investor is the patsy in the game. Your only hope as a small investor is to not be the biggest patsy! Maybe you can do just well enough so that when the bigger patsies are being fleeced, you can walk away with a little bit.

    Tom Brokaw called the WWII generation the "greatest" generation. He was way wrong. They were the luckiest generation. In their lifetimes, due to demographics and technology, they were able to achieve a continuing improvement in the standard of living. There have been few generations previously and there will be few, if any, in the future that will be able to achieve that.

    Enough! Good luck to any of you who think that long term investing works. It has worked for about seventy years, but I believe that run has come to an inglorious end. As for me, I will continue to treat Wall Street like Las Vegas.

    Note that I am winning. Not big, but a little at a time. Just like I play poker. I will not be the big winner at the table, but if I can leave the game a little ahead each time, it will be OK with me.

  • Report this Comment On March 13, 2009, at 10:53 PM, williamjacobs wrote:

    If you invested in 1929.... WHEN?

    If you're just starting out and plowing 1000 per year in as the premise suggested. You'd lose 700 bucks then make serious coin within 5 years as FDR rights the ship.

    If you're JUST retiring at 55 (not that anyone DID that in 1929, 45% of a retirees fortune would get destroyed. Can the person spend that 55% of bonds over the 34 years you worried about so much? Probably because deflation made those bonds go a long long way for the first five by which time her 45% stock allocation would have come back a fair amount.

    Long term is the only thing that works unless you have so much that you can move markets with your trades. Diversify sensibly and these hits to the portfolio aren't ruinous. They're moments to pat yourself on the back that you didn't chase performance.

  • Report this Comment On March 14, 2009, at 12:05 AM, doxster wrote:

    Tim, you missed Jon Stewart's main point. You are talking as if the recent market meltdown was just an unfortunate thing that sometimes happens and that we should just wait out. Stewart thinks that the market is down because people who know how to move money and extract riches from financial transactions made their profits without regard to whether the transactions they made actually improved the economy. He thinks that the ability of individuals to collect huge bonuses for short term gains that don't have known long term consequences is dangerous. He thinks that financial playmakers understood that they were not personally or institutionally at risk in their very risky ventures, since the US government would stand behind them and prevent them from going under. He thinks that people who knew how to rape the system and extract profits from it knew that they were weakening it, even if they didn't know exactly what weakening it would mean to the Dow Jones Industrial Average in this month or the next one. And he thinks that the average investor who has always followed your advice and dollar cost averaged into bargain-priced stocks should be rewarded for doing the right thing, but instead got his value wrecked, because profiteers were playing with dynamite, and the dynamite actually exploded in our faces.

    It's not a good week to try to pick fault with Jon Stewart, because he is saying out loud what everybody already knows: this mess didn't have to happen, and in a more egalitarian system, it would not have happened.

  • Report this Comment On March 14, 2009, at 12:33 AM, plouf wrote:

    Yes, thank you Airudite, ByrneShill, doxster, and other posters! The best thing about Motley Fool are the intelligent investors that share their observations. Sorry, Tim Hanson doesn't seem to get Jon Stewart's point.

    I am the stuck, reluctant investor. I don't like investing but have inhereted this stuff, know I need to change directions, but think it may be simplest to stick it in a Vanguard CD and be done with it. Better to make a little than blow it all on salespeople that I don't wish to support.

    Unless one of you posters has an idea - (please let me know if you do!) - any legitimate financial planners out there??

  • Report this Comment On March 14, 2009, at 3:44 AM, dividendgrowth wrote:

    The fewer people believe in long term investing, the better for long term investors.

    The stock market is a mechanism that transfers the wealth from the ignorant and gullible majority to the informed and ruthless few.

  • Report this Comment On March 14, 2009, at 3:54 AM, overthinking wrote:

    Am I the only one who wonders why Jon Stewart's mother had money in a 401k? He made $14 million last year. What on earth does $15k a year in lost contributions matter to the Stewart family? Furthermore, she's 75. Why was any of her money even in stocks?

    I'm sure the anecdote is meant to be hyperbole to demonstrate a generalization. As for Jon Stewart and his mother, they are going to be just fine financially for the rest of their, and their children's, lives. I guess it's easy to be bitter and jaded when Judge Judy pulls in $45 mil a year.

  • Report this Comment On March 14, 2009, at 9:05 AM, Fool2beKC wrote:

    Honesty, fiduciary responsibility and modest returns (and losses) in this corner versus "money for nothing and chicks for free" - with tremendous returns (for a while) and then dramatic losses in the other.

    Who should we listen to? Cramer, Stewart, Erin Burnett? Every financial statement is caveated with "past history is no guarantee...". Who listened or listens?

    But I was struck by Jon Stewart's observation that there are two markets - one for the ignorant, naive, trusting souls and one for the financially "wise". Predators and prey in that frame.

    The supreme irony of my 401K right now is the best performing "asset" it has is a small loan to myself earning 9%. Wish I could get more of that right now!

    Guess what's funding that? As Jon Stewart observed: work makes wealth. Sure hope I can keep working! And what little money I still have is looking for (good) work too!

    And the lesson I take from all of this is my best investment is myself! But I need to better learn and better judge who and what to trust versus becoming financial prey. That's why I'm a Fool2Be.

  • Report this Comment On March 14, 2009, at 11:53 AM, bougnoul wrote:

    If one took a scientific attitude to calculate so-called company profits, so-called investor returns, one would find same "returns" as one got in Las vegas slot machines. Most astonishing is the delusional addictive nature of this eco-talk about stocks. During this period, one got ample proof that it is looter/lootee relationship one has enjoyed all these years, that the former almost has hypnotized the latter to remain dumb as in Stockholm Syndrome, that in one whiff of air "stock holder" can be wiped out clean to the glee of the cheering stock-holder that it is "market force" that is playing.

    You folks don't get it. But that maybe exactly why I might get my quarter century savings back before I start having grandchildren!

    Halelujah!

  • Report this Comment On March 14, 2009, at 5:19 PM, frankiwa wrote:

    As a subscriber to the Motley Fool, i am disappointed by the angle you took here, Tim.

    Funny, from the interview, you focused on those aspects of the interview. The main concern to most Americans, is that the man (Cramer) who claims to be America's Stockholder's spokesman/hero, has admitted to illegally using the media to manipulate stocks, and he is not in jail, and continues to operate a show that recommends stocks to the public on CNBC (even the he admits using "Bob Pisani or some other bozo" to tout his fictitious stories throughout CNBC and the media.

    Watch this video in its entirety and you may focus less on Jon's attack and more on Jim Cramer's criminal activity.

    http://blog.indecisionforever.com/2009/03/11/jim-cramer-admi...

    Once again, I'm disappointed in the stance taken here by the Motley Fool.

  • Report this Comment On March 14, 2009, at 6:44 PM, TMFMmbop wrote:

    A couple of points to respond to some of these comments First, I speak for myself. TMF is full of different viewpoints on this and many other issues. Second, I'm not rushing to defend Jim Cramer. Far from it. Rather, I'm reacting to some of the anti-free market sentiment that's starting to permeate the government and media. I don't think it's going to get us anywhere productive. See, the post about the stock market as a gamble and the looter/lootee relationship. Such a viewpoint is not true, unhelpful, and quite dangeous to an economic recovery.

    As for Cramer and Stewart, I find them both insufferably self-righteous. Judge not lest ye be judged, right?

  • Report this Comment On March 16, 2009, at 11:48 AM, mjonesy1985 wrote:

    I think Jon Stewart is a complete idiot. Anyone that watches any tv show or reads any website, blog and simply copies what they are saying then they deserve to lose their money. Always do your own research and everyone knows that when you invest into the stock market that you could lose your money.

    Some Channels tell me that the war in iraq is a good thing and others tell me it's not. But when it comes down it it's MY decision on what's right or wrong. Just like if Cramer says this stock is a buy then that's upto me to decide.

  • Report this Comment On March 16, 2009, at 11:49 AM, mjonesy1985 wrote:

    Why do we have to be spoon fed everything.

  • Report this Comment On March 16, 2009, at 12:01 PM, 4Magoo wrote:

    Tim you are way off base here. This is not an issue of long-term investing, it is an issue of manipulating the truth by those we trust and the failure of responsible reporting on the part of those that claim to be "reporters." A number of you have said it all: doxster, oldfossil99, MrManlyMcManerson, Airudite. Let's work on responsible reporting of the issues here at the Fool, not attempting to manipulate things for for some agenda which I have failed to grasp.

  • Report this Comment On March 23, 2009, at 3:17 AM, db71880 wrote:

    Someone has to ask Jim Cramer to join the WWF commentators squad and CNBC to merge with WWE.

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