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When Would Buffett Sell?

I've detailed the brilliance of Warren Buffett's buys in the past. And I'm not the only one who holds him in such esteem.

The investing world hangs on his every move. The copycat buying is so severe that he occasionally gets a special exemption from the Securities and Exchange Commission to delay disclosing those moves.

Even his maybe-possibly-perhaps buys move markets. After Chinese clothing maker Dayang Group outfitted Buffett in some suits, he publicly proclaimed his love. The resulting buying frenzy has turned the Shanghai-listed stock into an international multibagger sensation in mere months. Speculators are hoping his fandom turns into ownership, just as it has in the past with Coca-Cola (NYSE: KO  ) , GEICO, and Washington Post.

We spend much less time poring over his sells -- but they're even more important. Why? Because the man whose favorite holding period is forever absolutely hates selling. So when he sells, there are very good reasons. Here are just a few of them.

Sell when you're wrong
Yes, Warren Buffett makes mistakes. The name of his company, Berkshire Hathaway (NYSE: BRK-B  ) , is a reminder of that fact.

Before it became a wide-ranging conglomerate, Berkshire Hathaway was a textile mill. Ironically, given his recent endorsement of a Chinese textile maker, he chose to cease operations because he couldn't compete profitably with the cheap labor of foreign competition.

It took him about 20 years to admit he was wrong and cease operations, but he learned that lesson well. When he bought a big stake in ConocoPhillips (NYSE: COP  ) near the height of 2008's oil bubble, he quickly admitted his mistake and began selling out of his position.

Sell when the grass is greener
Earlier this year, my colleagues Brian Richards and Tim Hanson fleshed out this case in "Why You Should Sell."

Basically, no matter how good an investment is, you should sell if a better opportunity is out there.

Buffett sold a slug of Johnson & Johnson (NYSE: JNJ  ) in the fourth quarter of last year. Why? Not because he lost faith in Johnson & Johnson (he actually picked up some shares in the two subsequent quarters). Nope, he just had better opportunities available to him. Remember, this was when the financial sky was falling and companies like Goldman Sachs (NYSE: GS  ) and General Electric (NYSE: GE  ) were throwing money at him: Each gave him 10% interest rates plus equity upside in exchange for his money and his name.

Sell when you're overmatched
In this case, selling means not buying in the first place. Buffett generally refuses to buy technology companies. When one of your best buddies is Bill Gates, it's hard to claim technological ignorance. Yet, he does.

He's commented that Google (Nasdaq: GOOG  ) has an amazing moat, but it's a moat he refuses to exploit. Why? Because he can hazard a pretty good guess what Coke will look like 50 years from now. He knows he can't do that with Google.

So he stays away.

Sell when you've won
By the late '90s, Buffett was sitting on a huge mispricing with Coca-Cola. Like the rest of the market, its shares had run up to silly heights. In Coke's case, it was selling for more than 50 times earnings.

Yet Buffett didn't sell. A decade later, shares are down more than 30%.

Why didn't he sell? Remember that his sales move markets, so getting out of his position would have been a slow process. Perhaps more importantly, Buffett had declared Coca-Cola a "permanent holding," similar to his controlled businesses like GEICO and Dairy Queen. Selling Coke would have been a lucrative move, but it would have cost him a little of his reputation.

We don't have these constraints, so there's no reason we shouldn't exploit our advantage when the market gives us a quarter for our dime.

Buy or sell?
As Buffett has shown us, there are plenty of good reasons to sell. Remember, though, that his sells have occurred over decades. His ideal holding period is still forever, but he knows holding based solely on principle is a recipe for defeat.

Like Buffett, our founders -- Tom and David Gardner -- have a strong preference for buying and holding for the long run. In their Motley Fool Stock Advisor newsletter, they tend to let their winners run. However, they can tell you from experience that knowing when to sell is almost as important as knowing when to buy. Hence, each month they update their sells as well as their buys. Canadian National Railway and Dolby Laboratories are two of their best buys now. I invite you to see the rest by clicking here for a 30-day free trial. There's no obligation to subscribe.

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Anand Chokkavelu owns shares of Berkshire Hathaway and his ideal holding period is until the hug gets awkward. Google is a Motley Fool Rule Breakers recommendation. Berkshire Hathaway, Canadian National Railway, and Dolby Laboratories are Stock Advisor selections. Berkshire Hathaway and Coca-Cola are Inside Value picks. Johnson & Johnson and Coca-Cola are Income Investor picks. The Fool owns shares of Berkshire Hathaway and has a disclosure policy.


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  • Report this Comment On October 02, 2009, at 11:48 PM, PsycheDaddy wrote:

    I imagine that Buffet does it the old fashion way, didn't he learn from another investor years ago. He buys what he knows and believes in. At his age, he never got an education in computers and the like.

    Technology is not going to be his forte.

  • Report this Comment On October 03, 2009, at 10:26 AM, 28TonG67 wrote:

    "His ideal holding period is still forever, but he knows holding based solely on principle is a recipe for defeat."

    Wait a minute. Both Buffett and his partner Charlie Munger have been on record saying they do not play 'gin rummy' with their stocks, ie selling off the worst holding, and they buy a stock 'like a Catholic marries -- for life'.

    So indeed it is a principle that they intend to hold a stock forever, even at the risk that it underperforms, and it really must be compelling for them to sell.

    Buffett even writes in his rules at the end of every annual report that Berkshire will hold on to companies even if they could redeploy the money at a better return elsewhere, the 'gin rummy' rule again. Evidently, they are more fearful of mistakes from selling than they are from mistakes from holding too long.

    In practice, as you indicate, Buffett already knows in advance what are his 'permanent holdings' and which could go on the block if he wants to raise cash (like he did prior to '87 crash).

  • Report this Comment On October 03, 2009, at 10:56 AM, 28TonG67 wrote:

    ...I should add the other reason Buffett adheres to a principle of not selling is because he views buying shares of stock as buying a piece of the business. Therefore, you are entering into a partnership, which he views as a sacred trust that is not to be broken lightly.

  • Report this Comment On October 03, 2009, at 11:38 AM, Chinastocks55 wrote:

    ACLO.OB, Apple Iphone and the 3G China launch:

    I put up a few links here.

    Basically, it comes down to this.

    ACL Semiconductor has 2500+ employees and is the main supplier of flash memory chips and other related chips to Samsung, one of the biggest electronics makers in the world.

    ACLO.OB is supplying chips for Apple IPhone and other devices to operate on the new 3G ( full mobile internet) networks.

    Right now the demand for memory chips is huge. Prices are up 33% in July and August and margins, which were very thin, look to be expanding nicely.

    How can it get better for ACLO.OB? A main memory chip rival did not survive the recent down turn and went out of business.

    So, putting this all together its not hard to see why ACLO.OB is being scooped up right now.

    Here are some good DD links.

    ACLO.OB closed just below 1.00. Imho, It makes perfect sense for thsi one to head much higher.

    NOTE: I follow China closely and have never heard of this company until a few weeks ago. Based on the stock price its clear I wasnt alone........lol

    China Unicom 3G launch. They have approx. more customers then every phone company in the USA has put together

    http://seekingalpha.com/article/164174-china-unicom-to-launc...

    From the recent earnings report concerning their rival, Qimonda AG, going out of business:

    "After the insolvency of Qimonda AG, the Company has recorded increasing demand for Graphic RAM products due to limited supplies. The Company also recorded increasing demand for consumer electronics products in the PRC market such products require the usage of FLASH products. In addition to strong demand in Southern China, demand by Apple for FLASH products for its newly launched iPhone 3G S was also strong."

    Link to Samsung and Apple article:

    http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-103568...

    Apple to launch in China Oct. 1, 2009:

    http://www.fonearena.com/blog/2009/09/29...

  • Report this Comment On October 03, 2009, at 11:52 AM, goodyboo wrote:

    I heard Buffett is buying bonds now. Not stocks. Is that right?

  • Report this Comment On October 03, 2009, at 7:25 PM, thisislabor wrote:

    so does that make buffett than a dividend based investor if he doesn't ever sell the stock?

    he's just buying for the dividend? if you don't ever sell the stock then their is no profit margin left otherwise?

  • Report this Comment On October 03, 2009, at 10:47 PM, TMFEditorsDesk wrote:

    @28TonG67,

    I think we're agreeing...Buffett splits his portfolio of companies/stocks into permanent and semi-permanent...he'll sell the latter but still only rarely.

    @goodyboo,

    Here is an article on Buffett's latest-quarter bond moves and one on his latest-quarter stock moves:

    http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2009/08/20/why-is-buff...

    http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2009/08/18/warren-buff...

    @thisislabor,

    When you don't sell your stock, your capital appreciation is still profit...it's just profit you haven't cashed in.

    -Anand (TMFBomb)

  • Report this Comment On October 04, 2009, at 10:07 PM, topsecret09 wrote:

    NOW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Report this Comment On October 13, 2009, at 11:55 PM, 2humble2fool wrote:

    I suspect that Buffet and company know a lot more about computer technology than most people think. I think they avoid it because there is too much hard to quantify risk that nearly any technology could become obsolete without much, if any, warning. I also believe that most people investing in technology don't take this risk into account when they are making their decisions. This doesn't mean that technology is a bad investment, there is just some amount of risk that is extremely hard to quantify. Therefore, it doesn't really work in a risk/reward type model.

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