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Do I even need to say it? Is this even news anymore? Boeing's (NYSE: BA) delaying release of another airplane. It's taking another charge.

Ho. Hum.

Newswires are all atwitter over yesterday's "news" that Boeing's once-delayed-already 747-8 freighter program is over budget and overdue. Late changes in plane design bear the blame for most of the $1 billion in charges Boeing will take on the project. "Challenging market conditions," which convinced Boeing to build the planes at lower volume than it had hoped, for longer than it wished, bear the rest. But broadly speaking, this is just more of the same from Boeing -- bad planning, bad execution, and bad timing, which have combined to crash profits.

What color is Boeing's parachute?
Pundits were quick to wonder aloud whether the 747-8 -- unprofitable by Boeing's own admission -- is due for a cancellation. Were it to do so, this would be bad news for 747-8 suppliers such as General Electric (NYSE: GE), Spirit AeroSystems (NYSE: SPR), and Honeywell (NYSE: HON).

But I think that's unlikely. With 105 747-8 orders in backlog as of the end of August, the 747-8 is worth some $31.5 billion in future revenue to Boeing. That's a pot of gold nearly as big as the one Boeing's tussling over with Northrop Grumman (NYSE: NOC). I doubt Boeing will upset the pot over a trivial detail like "whether it's cooking up profits."

Speaking of profits ...
But that shouldn't be true for investors. Speaking as one, I am very interested in seeing my company earn a profit. And Fools, what I see at Boeing worries me.

The $1 billion charge Boeing takes in the third quarter will be big enough to essentially negate the Commercial Aircraft (BCA) division's $1.2 billion in operating profit from the last calendar year. Viewed another way, that $1 billion charge on $31.5 billion worth of planes on order will reduce their operating profit margin by about 3.2%.

Which brings me to the real point. Over the last five years, BCA averaged an operating margin of about 7.3%. Even if the 747-8 was on track for similar performance (a big if, already), then Tuesday's charge comes close to cutting that profit margin in half. Granted, smoothed out across more orders in the long term, this charge-off might not look so bad, but we'll cross the "more orders" bridge when we get there.

Foolish takeaway
Next time someone tells you that "Boeing's a buy" because, "hey, the forward P/E is only 12" -- take that number with a grain of salt. Just like Boeing's Q3 earnings, it's subject to change.

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  • Report this Comment On October 07, 2009, at 12:11 PM, ThornTX wrote:

    I haven't heard many people say that the entire 747-8 program is in danger of cancellation, only that the passenger version is in danger. The freighter version has the lion's share of those orders and looks to be a success, but the passenger version has only been ordered by Lufthansa. Many, if not most of the delays to 747-8 are due to Boeing pulling staff off the project to help get the problem-plagued 787 back on track.

  • Report this Comment On October 07, 2009, at 2:26 PM, retry77 wrote:

    Did you hear the one about Boeing rolling out the new launch? what a hoot

  • Report this Comment On October 07, 2009, at 2:27 PM, FlyingKnignt wrote:

    Thanks again for talking Boeing down...Let's see GM and Chrysler went bankrupt. Ford lost tons of money. Toyota too. Relative to those companies Boeing has done very well in this Great Recession Remember Boeing is really doing two new airplanes at the same time. The 747-8 is really a new bird i.e. it only looks like the old one. new wings and tail, engines, avionics, even significant parts of the fuselage. Keep talking it down so I can buy cheap stock. The 787 is composite and has a new production model. Keep putting down Boeing for me.

  • Report this Comment On October 07, 2009, at 2:40 PM, FBEditorial wrote:

    Rather than reading the headline of Boeing's news, why not report something that wasnt communicated?

    This 747-8 delay is not due to design changes etc - all that was done with the last delay in Nov 08.

    When I spoke with 747 Chief Engineer Michael teal in January, the challenges were identified.

    http://www.fleetbuzzeditorial.com/2009/02/13/747progress/

    I spoke to the 747 VP less than 5 days ago and again, no tech issues.

    This is all about flight staff resources at Xmas so the 787 can fly. The first 747-8F is over 90% complete and from what I could tell on the ground, the operation is much better than the 787 is.

    http://www.fleetbuzzeditorial.com/2009/10/06/747-charge/

    Factor in a two-week factory shutdown, bad weather in WA state, limited tech/engineering/flight staff and you see why the 747-8 was pushed back. 787 is due out soon from its fix and Jim Albaugh wants to start his tenure as the CEO who helped the 787 fly.

    As a result, the 747-8 has become the sacrificial lamb. Of course, whether the 787 flies is another matter

    And instead of bashing Boeing's figures, why not show us just how healthy EADS is or are they not fair game?

  • Report this Comment On October 07, 2009, at 2:59 PM, FlyingKnignt wrote:

    Nice website FBEditorial !! Very well written and informative.

  • Report this Comment On October 07, 2009, at 5:37 PM, Fool wrote:

    Boeing is the worst managed company in the world. Waste is the name of the game. It doesn't know its cockpit from its tail.

    When the tanker project wasn't awarded to it, it cried alligator tears and Washington state's congressional team cried foul. Now Boeing has no problem with opening up another Dreamliner production line in another state, South Carolina.

    Boeing move its corporate headquarters to Chicago from Seattle and no real reason was given.

    China or Japan just needs to start building planes and we'll see Boeing go the way of (what were their names?) GM, Ford, Chrysler, American Motors, Studebaker, Packard, etc. Think that's impossible? So did GM, Ford, Chrysler, etc.

    It's called capitalism when Boeing gets government help and socialism if its competitors get such help. Soon we'll be saying bye, bye to Boeing. Am I cynical? No; I'm looking at the future.

  • Report this Comment On October 07, 2009, at 5:41 PM, thread123 wrote:

    I don't know about you guys, but I have a feeling this Rick guy really hate Boeing. Every report he has about Boeing is always bad... go Airbus? sure!

  • Report this Comment On October 07, 2009, at 9:16 PM, FlyingKnignt wrote:

    I agree thread123 . Hey Mr. Smith Boeing also pays a dividend. How many stocks have been able to do that in this the Great Recession. Mr Smith can you sell Boeing and buy some Airbus EADS stock for us. i.e. put your money where your mouth is.

  • Report this Comment On October 08, 2009, at 6:06 PM, Davexxx wrote:

    Boeing never had any problems until out sourcing became their priority. Whether they like it our not their real strength is in Washington State. The company no longer cares or respect the engineers who really know what it takes to build a world class product. It become infested with lawyer and bean counters who have driven their loyal customers to despair.

  • Report this Comment On October 19, 2009, at 11:53 AM, praizinplace wrote:

    Hey stupid...I'm mean FOOL

    http://www.thestreet.com/story/10612901/1/boeing-shares-upgr...

    I'll save you the time so you can get back to the drivel you push. It shows that Boeing just got upgraded to a Buy. At least someone knows what the heck they are researching. Great job being the other side of the Boeing magnet...what you repel, people flock to, hmmmm?

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