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Who's Worse: BP or Goldman Sachs?

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It's been a tumultuous few years for U.S. investors and the U.S. economy as a whole. We've had a nasty financial crisis, a housing meltdown, and the unemployment rate now sits just under 10%. On top of all of that, we're now dealing with one of, if not the, worst U.S. environmental disasters in recorded history.

If we're looking to put a face on our troubles, we don't have to look much further than BP (NYSE: BP  ) and Goldman Sachs (NYSE: GS  ) . But in a showdown of these corporate rascals, who deserves the lion's share of the ire?

The problem
Goldman Sachs
Obviously, one single company wasn't responsible for the entire financial crisis. In fact, others seemed to have a much more direct impact. AIG, for instance, brought the market to its knees with its derivatives shenanigans. Citigroup had more garbage than Waste Management and would have been bound for the dump if it weren't for the government. As for Fannie Mae (NYSE: FNM  ) and Freddie Mac, their debt-laden balance sheets mean that they're still a cancer in the financial system.

So why is Goldman in the hot seat? Because while the financial system was crumbling, Goldman was pocketing big profits. Whether it was greedily grabbing bailout money from AIG, structuring mortgage bonds destined to fail, or helping Greece dig its own grave, Goldman curiously always seemed to find itself in a position to rake in massive profits.

BP
On April 20, Transocean's (NYSE: RIG  ) Deepwater Horizon rig, which was working on BP's Macondo Prospect, exploded, leaving 11 dead and 17 injured. The rig sank and the explosion left oil gushing out of a tube 5,000 feet below the surface. Thousands of barrels of oil have been blasting into the ocean on a daily basis, imperiling marine life, coastal areas, and the livelihoods of many in the affected area.

BP was hardly alone in the Macondo effort. Anadarko Petroleum (NYSE: APC  ) owns a 25% stake in the block where the explosion occurred, and Japan's Mitsui & Co. owns another 10%. Transocean was the rig operator, while Halliburton (NYSE: HAL  ) was a contractor, and Cameron International (NYSE: CAM  ) made the blowout preventer that, well, didn't prevent the blowout.

BP, however, is the ultimate owner of the well and therefore first on the hook for financial -- not to mention reputational -- liability.

The future
Goldman Sachs
Efforts are under way to turn a massive financial reform bill into law, but some of the toughest provisions may not survive. Though there's been a lot of tough talk, many of the most impactful propositions have been kicked to the gutter, including a crackdown on the size of financial firms.

Meanwhile, Goldman is prancing along, having earned $15 billion in profits over the past 12 months and set aside $17 billion -- or roughly $470,000 per employee -- for compensation. While new regulations may take a bite out of financial profits, and tamp down the dangers, it would appear that we'll ultimately have to hope that either concerns over the dangers of companies like Goldman have been overblown, or that more drastic action will be taken after the next collapse.

BP
BP has promised to pay all "legitimate claims" that arise from the disaster and there are signs that it is making good on that line, despite limited legal obligation. As of May 30, the company had paid out $35 million on 11,600 claims from fisherman, shrimpers, and the like.

The final chapter of this drama is far from written, though. The final bill for BP will likely run in the billions, and the company's often cagey response raises questions over whether it will be as cooperative as its PR campaign suggests.

With investigations ongoing, it's also still unclear whether the disaster was primarily due to a lack of contingency plans while working with a hugely complex undertaking, or whether the company knowingly cut corners in order to save money. And while there has been a freeze put on deepwater drilling for the time being, we'll have to wait and see whether this will lead to regulatory changes and/or sanctions against BP.

Your call
In the court of public opinion, both of these companies have been tarred and feathered. But which company do you think deserves the harsher sentence? Take the Motley Poll below and then chime in with your thoughts in the comments section lower down the page.

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  • Report this Comment On June 01, 2010, at 12:30 PM, TMFKris wrote:

    Have I got a deal for Fools. I've started an entry in our investing wiki (the Foolsaurus) for Deepwater Horizon. http://wiki.fool.com/Deepwater_Horizon#Expanded_Definition

    It needs to be fleshed out and you're just the Fools to do it. (Just sign in to edit the entry.) The wiki (http://wiki.fool.com/Foolsaurus) isn't the place to debate the companies involved (do that in the comments section here); it's a place to write about what investors need to know about the disaster, and what they will need to know when they look up Deepwater Horizon in the Foolsaurus a decade from now.

    Thanks for your help.

    Kris (TMF copyeditor)

  • Report this Comment On June 01, 2010, at 2:05 PM, BMFPitt wrote:

    The difference is that BP didn't specifically design their oil rig to fail, and they aren't asking for a bailout to pay for their mistakes.

  • Report this Comment On June 01, 2010, at 2:07 PM, mhonarvar wrote:

    while BP's foolish quest for speedy workmanship and cheaper materials has polluted the Gulf ...Goldman knew exactly what was going on and instead of trying to stop it...they promoted it and profited from it.

    BP "spent $900 million on this so far, and that would be a mighty expensive show we were putting on."

    Goldman "doing gods work"

  • Report this Comment On June 01, 2010, at 4:55 PM, plange01 wrote:

    goldman! bp had ACCIDENT that created a disaster.the crimminals behind goldman knowingly broke the law and cheated customers.. not even close the people behind goldman will go to jail.....

  • Report this Comment On June 01, 2010, at 5:15 PM, 789pol wrote:

    Personally, Goldman Sachs. They knowingly and determinedly, in order to reap huge profits, created deals that were totally unheard of and no one really understood. IMO, they acted no differently than Enron, MCI, HealthSouth and all the others that got caught.

    BP on the other hand, yes had a greed thing going on, but they also had the Feds not providing good oversight, changing laws, all bending to the demand for more oil, more gasoline and they and other oil companies did the same. IMO, theirs was not a delebrate move to commit fraud, contaminate the environment. They conformed with public opinion and demand and the Fed Govt helped that along. What does amaze me that after 40+ days there is a potential solution in sight in August? Are the genius's at MIT being consulted to help find solutions?

    The Gulf of Mexico from Key West to Mexico to South America is in dire endangerment.

  • Report this Comment On June 01, 2010, at 5:20 PM, floyd5555 wrote:

    I think BP is a buy!

    floyd g

  • Report this Comment On June 01, 2010, at 5:22 PM, TMFKopp wrote:

    @789pol

    "Are the genius's at MIT being consulted to help find solutions?"

    No, they're busy at Goldman trying to find new ways to skim from the economy... http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2010/05/28/wall-street...

    Kidding, but only kind of...

    Matt

  • Report this Comment On June 01, 2010, at 5:22 PM, allstarvulture wrote:

    Agree with everyone else that has commeneted. BP can be labeled in a number of ways (incompetent, sloppy, etc.), but they didn't intentionally design their systems for failure.

  • Report this Comment On June 01, 2010, at 5:30 PM, KlimbingKrazy wrote:

    Jail? I doubt that, who funds the politicians that create and enforce laws?

    BP at least is more transparent as to what did and may have happened. Can anyone even guess all of what GS may be up to??

  • Report this Comment On June 01, 2010, at 5:34 PM, KlimbingKrazy wrote:

    Oh and I agree with Floyd. I bought calls on BP already. Eventually when the news gets old the company will rebound. Even billions of cost won't cause a price in the 30s where it is now. I went with Oct $38 and I'm betting it sees $50 by then. :)

  • Report this Comment On June 01, 2010, at 5:36 PM, MyDonkey wrote:

    BP merely needs to be kicked in the teeth. Goldman deserves to be kicked in the teeth AND the groin... repeatedly.

  • Report this Comment On June 01, 2010, at 5:38 PM, MyDonkey wrote:

  • Report this Comment On June 01, 2010, at 5:55 PM, Tiingall wrote:

    Goldman - and their corrupt banking/financial mates who were also happy to get into the pig trough - dressed up in suits and told everyone "trust me". They took peoples' savings and knowlingly stole or vaporised that hard earned money, along with the financial future of millions of people around the world. Their deliberate and calculated action kills tens of thousands of children a week (according to a French study) because aid agencies no longer have the private donations needed.

    Goldman Sachs and their mates in other financial institutions (eg HSBC) which jumped into this game, are the financial evil axis. They have forsaken fundamental principles which are essential to underpin the foundations and fabric of society - "though shall not lie" and "thou shall not steal". They see themselves as beyond and above these basic human qualities which most parents teach their children.

    Goldman Sachs and their mates in other financial institutions which jumped into this game, are the financial terrorists of the world. They spread financial collapse and with it, human suffering and death on an immense scale; way beyond what Al Queda could ever hope to achieve.

    But it would appear Goldman Sachs and their evil mates can get away with it, because they are protected by the cloak of capitalism.

    What should be learnt from this:

    1. Al Queda should forget about guns and planes. Buy a suit, rent a building on Wall Street and create far more damage to the western world - and generate way more death and human suffering - by playing their own game; run a finance company or bank.

    2. The only way to fix Goldman Sachs and other financial terrorists is to send in the financial equivalent of the Marines. Do you send the Marines to Afganistan without guns, ammunition, a strong mandate and enough manpower?

    Time to wake up America. Get serious with these terrirists. They are killing your economy, your retirement and your childrens' future from the inside by taking an extreme position on capitalism which you are accepting gives them the "right" to lie, steal, exploit, kill and injure you - and millions more - around the world.

    They are sucking the life out of you. They have created an idealogical hegemony and you are going along with it. Your political representatives are being bought off with your stolen money to help protect the idealogy and their power to cause you even more damage.

    Stop protecting these extremists and financial terrorists.

  • Report this Comment On June 01, 2010, at 6:07 PM, cdenny6 wrote:

    Yeah, get em both.

    Sincerely,

    The folks at Toyota

  • Report this Comment On June 01, 2010, at 6:49 PM, PSU69 wrote:

    GS employees clearly played the game with zero focus on outcome to client impact. Fry their butts. They are the master manipulators. They threatened global financial stability.

    BP leaders have cut many corners and experts in the field have made it clear BP management could have avoided this if they listened. Fry their butts. They ignored employee pleas for safety. People died.

  • Report this Comment On June 01, 2010, at 6:56 PM, rtichy wrote:

    No question BP's actions were inadvertent, but I'm not at all sure I'd be looking at BP in October. The litigation is going to be horrendously HUGE, because the economic impact on people along the gulf coast is going to be so much more expensive than any comparison you might make to the Valdez spill and the US government looks to pile on, too.

    Goldman will go untouched despite being part of a larger group of vultures that peck at the carrion of what's left of the debt ridden world.

  • Report this Comment On June 01, 2010, at 7:31 PM, rmfool100 wrote:

    Bbq'dBO didn't do this in a vacuum. Whiere were the transocean rig supervisors? What about the other contractors working on the hole? Is it true that these preventers have a history of failure? Why would the MMS allow a well in deep water with such unreliable emergency equipment? BP

  • Report this Comment On June 01, 2010, at 7:42 PM, Vikingskipper wrote:

    Hey, don't forget the Israelis! And the bomb! And Bush!

  • Report this Comment On June 01, 2010, at 7:44 PM, tomd728 wrote:

    You go to bed with GS you don't wake up with fleas.......You know, if you were born before this A.M., what they are after and they go out and do it.

    BP ? Who is to blame ? They have not been caught in a lie, they are taking the heat and paying the entire bill for this disaster.Dreadful things happen.RIG ditto !

    The press has finally gotten around to eleven innocent men who died out there.

    Did our President miss that part ?

    You want to take someone out and shoot them ?

    *"As old Billy said.....kill all the lawyers....kill 'em tonight"

    *And thank you Don Henley.

  • Report this Comment On June 01, 2010, at 8:13 PM, EBerg13 wrote:

    Goldman. They bragged about how they were fleecing investors. BP seems to be taking the high road -- so far -- and looks like it w ill do the right thing.

    I agree with Floyd. My BP stock is taking a beating but when it hits $30 I'll be buying more. This is a huge company.

  • Report this Comment On June 01, 2010, at 8:24 PM, solarfool314 wrote:

    Goldman wins the scoundrel award hands down.

    I sold my BP due to the uncertainty of the current mess, not as a statement of blame.

    I wouldn't touch Goldman with a ten meter pole, all that compensation is money that isn't going to the shareholders.

  • Report this Comment On June 01, 2010, at 9:09 PM, ThePurpleAvenger wrote:

    We will only know if BP is as bad as Goldman if they decide to GIVE EVERYONE BIG FAT BONUSES at the end of the year.

  • Report this Comment On June 01, 2010, at 9:15 PM, matchbomb wrote:

    Seems like you've forgotten a major mover in these scams.....the US Government and a number of politicians (e.g. Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, etc.) They, at least, made it all possible, but in some cases were prime movers of what lead up to the disaster. In addition, they refused to do anything to prevent either the financial crisis or the explosion.

  • Report this Comment On June 01, 2010, at 10:45 PM, lonlon99 wrote:

    Welcome to

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  • Report this Comment On June 01, 2010, at 11:30 PM, Alg0rhythm wrote:

    Man... it's the same sickness, some of the richest guys on earth so completely obsessed with their addiction to money, that it didn't matter what the consequences were... it only mattered that they kept up with the pack.

    you're just more angry with Goldman because they helped cause waves in your pond, investment. Because they played dirty in your game, did whatever it takes and won big... Yeah, they rigged the game, and they, like everybody else play with derivatives, obscure nonsense.... they have exposure to 50 + trillion, or the entire GDP of the earth, as though they have the power to commit to that, but, for the most part, it's imaginary... those things are only real because people believe.

    If you lived on the Gulf Coast you'd be a lot more mad at BP. Those guys didn't just have an ACCIDENT... it was negligence.. they cut corners to save a few million on an oil well that was going to bring them BILLIONS. People DIED. An ecosystem is dying, and the damage will be there for decades. Let's not forget Halliburton was there either. The government can fine them 7400 dollars a barrel spilled... and they better. There won't be a vote cast from Texas to Florida for anybody seen as soft on this. Imagine oil on jersey beaches. It's not even done yet.

    British Petroleum is going to be made an example of.

    Government most of all... people with too much control, making decisions and deals behind closed doors... the stuff with MMS and the SEC is the same with the FDA and any other government agency.

    It's predictable. These things have to happen..

    Truthfully it's too much, too much money, too many people with too much control too far away from the front lines, only concerned with the bottom lines.

    It has to change. And it will.

  • Report this Comment On June 02, 2010, at 12:59 AM, harrymax wrote:

    Deregulation has left the fox in charge of the henhouse, in the energy industries, the financial industries, and all regulated agencies which turn out to be gutted and impotent, short on staff, short on budget and unwilling. Additionally, big industry writes its own laws while regulators and Congress act like boosters. The players revolve in and out becoming regulators, then lobbiests, and even industry big wigs. Democracy and free enterprise are being relegated to the dustbin of history, and no one is rbothering to build a better mousetrap anymore. In fact, when someone tries, they are drummed out. It's who can concentrate more wealth and power, and who can eliminate competition. This has been going on since the Reagan era and is infecting every American industry. We are ending up with corruption and the eventual failure of the very industries we sought to elevate. It is unsustainable to have oligarchy and democracy at the same time.

  • Report this Comment On June 02, 2010, at 2:27 AM, esmn89 wrote:

    I have to agree with Alg0rythm. People are madder at GS because their folly hits closer to home for most of us. GS should not be let off the hook, but BP is the more negligent, laughing its way to the bank kind of a party to me because this is their THIRD humongous mishap in the US in less than 6 years (Recall Alaska and Texas). People have died, and that's worse anytime than fleecing people of their money in a market where people were all too ready to be fleeced. I agree BP isn't alone in this accident but 3 out of 3 is a pretty awful strike rate for an oil company and it shows a severely myopic management. So perhaps you're right in buying the stock cheap right now and waiting till it hits a normal stride again but if you're the kind of investor who buys a stock by looking at the business, then this is one sloppily managed business.

    At the end of the day, I'm no less madder at GS than the next person and their dog, but don't put BP up on a cloud with a harp and a pair of wings because you think there is only one spot in hell and that goes to GS. there's plenty of space down yonder in the fire.

  • Report this Comment On June 02, 2010, at 2:40 AM, opinioned wrote:

    It seems that whatever GS did was legal, if not ethical, in a hot political situation. They recognized lack of oversight and line of command by government and were able to take advantage of the then current economic conditions to profit, and appear to have been fully in control of their processes, assets, and employees, which exactly are the reasons for which they exist and prosper.

    Conversely, it appears that BP's actions were of questionable engineering capability and lacked most understanding of what they were doing.

    My college majors included finance and petroleum engineering.

  • Report this Comment On June 02, 2010, at 4:21 AM, summertimeVA wrote:

    quick question: will BP pay for all the damage or will its insurers pay? If insurers then BP is a great buy!

  • Report this Comment On June 02, 2010, at 7:37 AM, puneetg123 wrote:

    Beat this:

    Transocean, the firm hired by BP to operate the Deepwater Horizon offshore drilling rig, has just announced that it will distribute $1 billion in dividends to shareholders even as oil continues to pour into the Gulf of Mexico.

    .

    AND

    .

    Transocean has also announced that it will make a $270 million profit on the insurance policy for the rig.

    Sources: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/37740.html

  • Report this Comment On June 02, 2010, at 8:35 AM, msm3rd wrote:

    Hi Fools,

    We fear terrorists not just because they want to kill us, but also because they want to destroy our way of life. So, should we consider BP and Goldman Sachs terrorists? They are certainly doing their best to destroy our way of life.

  • Report this Comment On June 02, 2010, at 9:01 AM, driller101 wrote:

    I wonder why nobody mentions Dril-Quip (DRQ)along with Transocean, Halliburton, and Cameron? Cameron is probably the least to blame. When the blowout preventers (their product) are sold, the maintenance, etc are typically handled by the drilling contractors (like Transocean). Cameron probably has more bop's in service around the world than anyone, so if there was a fundamental problem with them, it would have been known by now.

    Dril-Quip on the other hand, was the well head supplier and more importantly provided the casing seal, which seems to be one of the chief culprits in the disaster.

    Of course the main culprit is and will be BP.

  • Report this Comment On June 02, 2010, at 9:45 AM, juiceb wrote:

    BP just had an accident?? People were killed! A company needs to be held accountable for their lax safety regulations, and BP has a long history of putting profits ahead of doing the job right. Take a look at their record at the BP Texas City plant. What more needs to happen for them to change their ways?

    Both companies are proof that unfortunately we can't let the corporates police themselves, but when BP makes "mistakes", people die.

  • Report this Comment On June 02, 2010, at 11:20 AM, skeptic94 wrote:

    Everyone seems to think this was an accident. I don't know how many drill ships using this type of equipment there are or have been. Seems like it must be a lot all around the world. There have been some close calls but no major disasters until just days after the gulf and other areas are opened to additional drilling. What will more drilling do to lease rates on existing drillships? What will the additional oil produced do to the value of existing wells? One "accident" and all the worries go away. Profit maximized!!! And all paid for by insurance companies, including the old equipment at the Texas plant.

    What will the corrupt investigators find out about the corrupt oil companies and banks.

  • Report this Comment On June 02, 2010, at 1:01 PM, rdotson310 wrote:

    I was happy to read the posts on here earlier, I really thought most people would say BP. It was unfortunant what happened with BP. I have watched the stock for several years but have never owned any. I believe them to be a responcable company and their actions now only lend me to believe it more. Goldmen Sachs and many other banks knowingly behaved in unethical behavior hiding behind a corporation limiting wrong doing behind several levels of people so that no one person was to blame knowing it is difficult to pin point when it is wrong.

  • Report this Comment On June 02, 2010, at 2:34 PM, TMFKopp wrote:

    @skeptic94

    "And all paid for by insurance companies, including the old equipment at the Texas plant."

    BP is self-insured for the Macondo project so it's not going to benefit from outside insurance payments. Thanks for the conspiracy theory though -- that would probably make a great movie!

    Matt

  • Report this Comment On June 02, 2010, at 2:52 PM, ChiefNoseeum wrote:

    Given what we know of GS behavior over the last three years, why would anyone do business with them? They are the equivalent of the three card monty guy on the street corner only they dress better and live in better houses.

    On the other hand BP provides an essential commodity. One outcome for them is they forfeit a few years of profits for compensation and clean up costs. Management is replaced and the company rebuilds and moves forward.

  • Report this Comment On June 02, 2010, at 3:59 PM, TMFKopp wrote:

    There have been a lot of comments suggesting that Goldman is hated more here because it "hits close to home" for the investor community.

    I would suggest the same could be at play with BP. While this doesn't take away from the magnitude of the disaster, it's notable that BP is the largest player in the Gulf of Mexico and has a huge U.S. presence. As a result, we are highly exposed to BP's missteps. People in Europe, Asia, Africa, or South America may have a very different take on it...

    Matt

  • Report this Comment On June 03, 2010, at 2:01 PM, damdam1 wrote:

    in your article regarding goldman sachs you use the term "derivatives shenanigans" and i have been reading it quite a bit latley. i always felt a drivative was a part of a whole now i dont know. just what is the defination of this term. PLEASE DAMDAM1@SBCGLOBAL.NET

  • Report this Comment On June 04, 2010, at 1:54 PM, condominium wrote:

    I think this leak is not nearly as bad as is reported.

    What an ingenious way of bringing the stock down and possibly deny a dividend ....BP has massive funds and in these techno times could easily plug this hole if they really wanted to.

    This is a personal opinion and only my gut feeling.

  • Report this Comment On June 06, 2010, at 1:19 PM, busterbuddy wrote:

    GOLDMAN SACHS GOLDMAN SACHS

  • Report this Comment On June 07, 2010, at 10:21 PM, philkek wrote:

    THANK YOU M.F. for this thoughtful bulletin board. The many fools allowed here to express their personal opinions about important financial matters are, well, EDUCATIONAL. I for one appreciate this schooling to help decide to invest or not invest in BP or GS. In American society a person is innocent until proven guilty. INNOCENT go FREE to the full extent of the law. GUILTY go PAY to the full extent of the law. Our FREEDOM is not free and not cheap. There is a price to pay at the pump. That is my 2 c worth. Fool on.

  • Report this Comment On June 08, 2010, at 1:42 PM, InvestmentRep wrote:

    Goldman Sachs is worse. But I'm still waiting until the BP stock plunges a little further to buy it, my verdict would be buy in a couple months. Why? because at the moment BP is dealing with a crisis and Obama just handed them a $68 million bill for clean up, and the costs will only increase for BP. But they are a giant, and in a few months they will be right back on their feet again, even after this disaster. In the meantime I've got some other investments under way thanks to this blog I found, I think it's got some pretty good ideas. here's the link if you're interested http://theinvestmentreporter.wordpress.com/

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