The Truth About American-Made Vehicles

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I keep hearing rumblings from consumers and investors about how Toyota (NYSE: TM  ) and Honda (NYSE: HMC  ) vehicles are more American made than those from Ford (NYSE: F  ) , General Motors (NYSE: GM  ) , or Chrysler. So many people seem to believe this that I had to look into it myself. A simple search turned up a "American-made index," which indeed declared that four of the top five most American made vehicles were Japanese models.

Fortunately for you readers -- and Detroit -- I was skeptical and dug deeper. The truth is that Ford, General Motors, and Chrysler are much more American made and the index is deeply flawed. Here's what you need to know about buying American-made vehicles, and why it's important for consumers and investors.

The index takes in to account whether cars are assembled here, the percentage of domestic parts used, and whether they're bought in large numbers. I scratch my head a little bit at that last factor. I understand that the point is to discount vehicles that could be 100% made here yet sell only 10 units. But in reality, there are much better factors to consider when measuring for the most American-made vehicles.

In addition, the index seems to minimize the importance of domestic parts bought. GM doesn't have a single car in the top five of the index, yet consider that GM alone buys as many U.S. parts as Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Subaru, Mitsubishi, and all other Japanese automakers combined. Surprised? Wait -- it gets better.

Another thing the index fails to recognize is where the companies are headquartered. While the Japanese automakers do have plants and offices here, they aren't headquartered where the majority of their R&D money is spent. Detroit's Big Three are all headquartered here and have eight times the numbers of workers here that Toyota, Honda, and Nissan do. Detroit spends more on R&D here in the U.S. per year than juggernaut companies such as Boeing, Intel, Google, Apple, Hewlett-Packard, and ExxonMobil -- again, combined. 

Made and sold here
While the index uses volume in its calculation, it does so in a flawed way. Wouldn't you rather calculate which vehicles that are made in the U.S. and also sold here? The data ignores that Detroit's Big Three, on average, sell one and a half times as many U.S.-made vehicles into the U.S. market as its foreign counterparts do.

At this point, I decided to scrap the index, and I found a much better study done by Prof. Frank DuBois of the Kogod School of Business at American University. This study viewed 253 cars, trucks, and SUVs to determine which had the most domestic content. It took into account labor, R&D, inventory, capital spent, engine parts, transmission parts, body, interior, chassis, electrical, and profits.

Tied at the top of this list, with a score of 88.5 out of a 100, were the Buick Enclave, Chevy Traverse, and GMC Acadia, which were all made in Michigan. Ford's F-Series -- the No. 1 truck in the U.S. -- was tied for second, with the Dodge Avenger at 87.5. Next up were two American muscle icons -- the Mustang and Corvette -- with a score of 85. You have to go down to a score of 81 to find the first foreign vehicle -- the Toyota Avalon. These results are a world away from the index, yet, in my opinion, are much more accurate.

Buy American
The best thing that could happen for Ford and GM investors is for the American public to once again back our automotive industry and actually buy American. Our auto industry supports nearly 8 million U.S. jobs and is expected to hire as many as 34,000 more workers over the next five years -- led by Ford and GM.

But while some consumers still think Japanese cars are as American-made as American cars are, others don't buy American because they think our vehicles are still poorer in quality. Consider this: Since 2010, Toyota and Honda have the most recalls of any automaker. Moreover, Toyota, previously known for its industry-leading quality, has more recalls than the No. 2 and 3 spots combined, or GM tripled.

Ford and GM aren't the same two companies that pumped out terrible vehicles and had management that ran themselves into the ground. Both are producing quality and, most importantly, American-made vehicles.

Maybe it's time to give Detroit a second chance.

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  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 2:03 PM, prginww wrote:

    My criteria for whether a car is American or not is almost too simplistic, but IMHO, much more practical: where the car's final assembly point was. If I were in the new car market, I'd want to know the geographic location of where the car's final assembly point was. In other words, it's not an actual car until it's a completed vehicle able to drive off the assembly line under its own power.

    On one hand, if I were buying a Chevrolet Camaro, that's a Canadian built vehicle. I'd like to know that my car buying dollars are built by Americans who live in the USA. A Camaro is not going to meet that criteria. Curiously enough, a Ford F-150 built in Mexico won't meet that criteria either. Yet either a Ford Mustang (built in Flat Rock, Michigan), a Toyota Camry (built in Georgetown, Kentucky) or a Honda Civic or Accord (built in Marysville, Ohio) would meet that criteria. Ditto for the Toyota Tundra and Tacoma (built in San Antonio, TX).

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 2:05 PM, prginww wrote:

    After having worked for GM for decades I very much doubt they got rid of the management that sent the company into a tailspin. I was once in a meeting where we were told the only thing they cared about the the highest profit per car or truck , market share was a thing they no longer cared about , all I heard was good enough

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 2:06 PM, prginww wrote:

    This is all well and good in theory. As to quality I will only say that in my personal experience if you take care of a Japanese car it will last a long time and need very little outside of maintenance. I own. 17 year old Toyota truck, 13 year old Toyota corolla and 8 year old Honda Odyssey. I have been a fleet manager and can't say I'm impressed with American car quality. Two summers ago Toyota had a voluntary service campaign on my truck. I took it in and they gave me a car to drive for two days and rounder coated the 15 year old truck. I can't get Ford to stand behind brake rotors that warp after 4000 miles in fleet use. This is a patriotic article but just look at JD power quality studies...America simply does not build the kind of quality car Japanese companies do. I wish it was not true but it is. It is hard to go back to a car you have no confidence will last as long and cost you more in repairs and hassle.

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 2:07 PM, prginww wrote:

    By the way, just to let you people know that I am putting my money where my mouth is, the last new vehicle I purchased was a 1991 Nissan Pickup, built in -- you guessed it - Smyrna, Tennessee. Excellent build quality, built by Americans, and coincidentally, also the home of the Nissan Sentra as well.

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 2:07 PM, prginww wrote:

    The recent events with GM and our Government selling the stock raises concern. China now owns 33% of GM stock and may even more then we know. So how long before GM is desperate again and China will be waiting to bail them out?

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 2:18 PM, prginww wrote:

    I have a Toyota that is actually made in Japan. What I own has the second highest resale value of all cars. That says it a lot and I would not own a Ford. Did once, never again.

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 2:23 PM, prginww wrote:

    It amazes me how many people worship at the altar of Honda. I have owned 3 different Honda's, and every one of them was piece of crap. Crappy brakes, crappy electrical systems, crappy transmissions, there is no way i will ever own another one of these over rated piles of garbage. I had better luck with my domestic cars, and with my Toyota products, than i have ever had with any Hon-Duh

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 2:24 PM, prginww wrote:

    I think it's your index that is flawed, not Profits? GM sells more cars in China than in the US, most of those also source parts from China and are assembled in China, yet under your criteria the GM profits from those vehicles would make the cars sold in the US more American. Total nonsense.

    Your whole analysis is tortured and clearly motivated to support your pre-existing bias, not find the truth about anything.

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 2:24 PM, prginww wrote:

    most of these lies started decades ago from consumer reports magazine. they are foreign biased to the point they many times post misleading statements. my money goes to the real american made cars. our economy is hurt and a big reason is all the misleading and untrue statements about american made goods. a toyota is a toyota and a honda is a honda. you can lie to yourself and pretend you are not hurting americans but if you buy them you are.

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 2:27 PM, prginww wrote:

    Make better cars that can go 300K like Toyota and Honda. Then we'll "Buy American!"

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 2:35 PM, prginww wrote:

    Yeah buy American - and wipe out any profits you may have made from the stock market in the form of bank account busting repairs. Motley Advice = Blue Collar Caliber Advice.

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 2:36 PM, prginww wrote:

    @bcweir - Relax. GM is moving the Camaro to the US in 2015 the papers have already been signed.

    And Canada last time I check is still located in North America.

    That's why the US government when the recession started released MADE IN THE USA. But after a couple of months they stopped and went with BUY AMERICAN so that it included Canadian made as well.

    @wranglrz63 - GM is a company. They are going to go where the money is. In Canada people are buy cars. In China GM is king on the castle right now. In the US things are just starting to come back. Where would you invest your money?

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 2:51 PM, prginww wrote:

    The responses on this article are completely out of balance. The point was that Detroit is 1) producing better return for the US economy than foreign manufacturers and 2) that the ranking masses this fact by narrowing their criteria to only focus on points that benefit the foreign manufacturers.

    To those that comment on personal experience with domestics versus foreign, I would implore that you think about the basis for your comparison. No car made today compares to to those made ten years ago. Very little is still the same (some things never change of course) and to continue using a comparison formed a decade ago shows prejudice.

    Secondly, to not recognize that the value of the highest paid employees (CEO, COO, engineering teams, etc) to the American system is short sighted. Feel free to buy a foreign car; it is your right. At least consider the cost of buying that car to our society; it's the least you can do for the rest of us especially considering that China is going to be providing those cars within a generation.

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 2:52 PM, prginww wrote:

    all this is nice to know, but i worry very little about the investors. they have big business, lobbyists, our 'reps' and the government worrying about them...and that's plenty. my thoughts go to who is keeping americans working and that appears to be the foreign car companies.

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 2:52 PM, prginww wrote:

    Yes agree with jazzman built the cars that last long like toyota we wil buy, like we buy domestic truck

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 2:53 PM, prginww wrote:

    Regarding the comment regarding quality and a reference to recalls, you need to understand the difference between a Japanese recall and an American car manufacturer's recall.

    Once upon a time I bought a Ford Mustang, well guess what? The head gasket on the engine went. By the way, this is not a small repair. I had never received a recall notice from Ford. However, upon contacting my Ford dealer, I discovered that there had been an " unofficial " recall for this problem. But, guess what, my car didn't meet the criteria for the repair to be covered. Anyway, as i told my dealer, this is the last Ford that I will ever buy or recommend to anyone.

    Since that time, I have bought Lexas( high end Toyota ). I have owned the car 10 years and have 265,000 miles on it. I take it into the dealer to have it gone over every 100,000 miles and I'm good to go. I plan on getting another one in about 5 years at 400,000 miles.

    Take that Ford........recall......of course Ford doesn't have recalls. It isn't that they don't make mistakes. It is just that they pass the cost on to the poor customers, who bought one.

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 3:00 PM, prginww wrote:

    hmsthehood...why on earth should the citizens of the us be hopped up on the idea that canada makes a so-called vehicle because we share a continent. this is equivalent to being excited that mexico has american work because we're all part of the americas. last i heard we're separate countries. this sounds like more encouragement for outsourcing.

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 3:10 PM, prginww wrote:


  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 3:11 PM, prginww wrote:

    I gave up buying foreign vehicles years ago. The quality of US manufactured vehicles has improved drastically, and they are (usually) better value for money. I do most of my own maintenance, and the cost of replacement parts is substantially less. Of course, if you take your vehicle to a dealer, that isn't always apparent.

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 3:13 PM, prginww wrote:

    Seems like inventory and profit criteria are equivalent to "bought in large numbers"? Anyway, the term "American made" is irrelevant: quality should rule the whole discussion - not just the final few sentences. 300,000 miles versus bankrupt/hanging-by-a-thread Detroit. "Most recalls" is not bad's related to most sales of a single car series, which probably means good quality/good market demand (i.e. free market competition rules!). And anyhow, a recall means they will fix the problem. "American made" means improved quality from the bad old days but this improvement has happened only because Japanese and German competition pushed them to act after they went bankrupt (i.e. free market competition). American made gets better with more foreign competition.

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 3:13 PM, prginww wrote:

    Ford and GM vehicles are still predominately designed by mediocre engineers and built by union slobs in Michigan.

    No way am I spending my hard-earned money to support a flawed industry.

    Also ask yourself if you would prefer to take your vehicle for maintenance and service at a Ford/GM dealership or a Toyota/Honda dealership.

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 3:18 PM, prginww wrote:

    All I can say I am American and I Buy American as much as I can.

    My Family and I and many many Friends have owned nothing but Ford Cars and Trucks in the past and none of us have ever regretted that move.

    We Currently have a 2000 Ranger "the wife" and a 95 V6 Mustang "the Wife" and I have a 95 GT and a 07GT/CS and like I said none of us ever Regretted of owning a Ford Product.

    Matter of fact for those of you that remember the Pinto one of my Brother in Laws has 4 Girls and a Boy and all of them had to go through the Pinto before they got anything else.

    That Poor Pinto and over 400,000 Miles was finally retired a few Years ago and not because it didn't Run anymore but by then it looked like it was in a Bumpercar Derby and some very Angry Gremlins got ahold of it LOL LOL.

    People where always amazed that that Pinto still Ran much less the Way it did.

    So anyway I Love my Fords my Family and Friends love their Fords and we are Happy and Contributing to America and the American Worker.

    Even Foreign Cars made here the majority of the Money goes Overseas.

    We don't even go to Walmart anymore because of all the Stuff to keep the Language Mild made in "CHINA".

    Anyway I think I feel the need to just Cruise in one of my Ponys rigth now so see you all Later.

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 3:21 PM, prginww wrote:

    I'm still stunned at the amount of Anti-Detroit sentiment that remains, although I understand it to some degree.

    Hopefully Detroit's three can help change everyone's mind as they continue to progress from where they came from.

    Progress has been made, and hopefully that continues.

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 3:30 PM, prginww wrote:

    We have always owned American brand cars. All our cars have run for over 200,000 miles and then we usually passed them on to next generation in the family, which ran them for many more miles! Our neighbor bought high end foreign cars and when in an accident, it took 8 months to repair it because parts have to be sent from a foreign country! No thanks.

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 3:31 PM, prginww wrote:

    I'm sorry, but you cannot claim to be telling us the truth when you shade your entire article to be bias toward domestic car makers. THE truth is simple when it comes to identifying the "most American" made vehicles. The only thing that matters is what percentage of parts on a vehicle are actually made here in the US. When THAT is the only criteria, the Toyota Camry and Toyota Tundra are tops among cars and trucks respectively. I would be all for buying domestic, but there is no such thing anymore, so please stop misleading the masses. American manufacturers cannot have it both ways!

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 3:33 PM, prginww wrote:

    By the way I'm a Car Lover Delux and also do most of my own work if it is needed.

    Now alot of People wouldn't notice something as minor as Lightbulbs,Breaklights,Tag Lights etc.etc.

    Starting today Folks look at all the Makes and Models out there specially Dogde and Chrysler and Foreign Made Cars that have Turnsignals and Brakelights out Cars and Trucks and SUV's and Vans alike.

    And then look at most all the Ford Models as they very seldom have any Lights out.

    All of my Ford Cars and Trucks are even after 13 and 18 Years respectively still on their Origional Light Bulbs all around.

    And even a Diehard Chevy Lover will tell you that Ford has the best Airconditioners.

    Case Closed.

    Like I said I do my own Maintenance as needed and have never ever regretted the Move to own nothing but Fords.

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 3:33 PM, prginww wrote:

    This artical was realy made to make the union feel good. But if you look at the hart of America there are more japanese part supliers here and oh bye the way many of them make parts for GM lol or did you not think of that. i should now i manage at a manf. facilty. and yes GM and Ford and Crystler have just as many recalls the press keeps this hush hush. to keep the egg of here face. like i said we do both foren and domistic parts. so you relly need to think about what you print.

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 3:34 PM, prginww wrote:

    It is a flawed belief that foreign cars are better than American cars.We have a 2012 Prius that I hate,hard seats,uncomfortable interior,if it wasn't for the mileage I would sell it. I also have an El Camino that I would much rather drive.It is comfortable,reliable and AMERICAN made.The reason it lasts so long?PROPER MAINTENANCE ! Just like you people that worship the foreign cars preach.All you have to do to any car is keep it maintained.This isn't the 1960's anymore.American cars are great cars and just as good as any foreign ones.

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 3:36 PM, prginww wrote:


    I'm not biased, I call it like I see it. Detroit is producing better vehicles than it has for decades yet they don't get the respect for completely changing their business. Which I understand, because it took Americans time to give up on Detroit vehicles, it will take them time to give them respect again.

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 3:36 PM, prginww wrote:

    I like cars, all makes all models and have truly owned a couple of Chevy's, Ford, Chryslers as well as Toyotas, Hondas and Nissans. Now this is my personnel experience, at least in the past from the early 90s to about 2005. Both my American cars and import named cars did well for the first few years, it was at the 100,000 mile mark that I noticed a difference, I've never sold a car with less than 100k. My domestic cars had significantly more issues than the import ones. For me It's a wait and see plan, if Detroit has changed I want proof. To the writer of the article I did notice your profile says that you have GM stock, and this in no way influenced what you wrote??

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 3:38 PM, prginww wrote:

    I'm 50 yrs old. I drive a 2006 Dodge 2500 HD diesel, incredible pickup. As a IBEW electrician I try to buy American. However, I'm one of 7 kids. My brothers, sisters, 14 nieces and nephews, spouses wife, son, etc all have imports (Toyota's, Honda's, Nissan and BMW's). No one has had a problem with any vehicle in 25 yrs. American auto's had such a bad reputation for yrs it is hard for people to switch. My neighbor bought a 2004 Ford 3500 dually new. He went through 3 engines because of bad turbo's in diesel engines. One big reason I went to Dodge in 06. It is a tough call. I know my next pick up is going to be another Dodge.

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 3:38 PM, prginww wrote:

    45 years old, I've owned only two vehicles in my life - and purchased them new and on my own. Both vehicles' VIN started with a J (Japan)...... and YES, I'll continue to purcase only vehicles that begin with a J. I can't imagine purchasing a car from a company that had to be bailed out by the government. Each to their own - you think index is flawed, I think your summary of what you "believe" is just that - what you believe. We all have opinions and this time - your argument isn't going to make me change my mind to "Buy Japanese". The QUALITY of a foreign car exceeds one made in America. PLUS, since when did Toyota, Nissan or Honda have to be bailed out?

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 3:38 PM, prginww wrote:

    If you want to know what truck is the best look at your local rock quarry,FORD'S.There's no environment that's harder on trucks than a quarry.No foreign trucks there !

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 3:38 PM, prginww wrote:

    Owed a brand new Chevy had more problems than all my used cars combined. So that took GM off the list of cars to consider when buying new cars. Worked for Ford laid off so Ford on the band list for life. Do to everyone seeing all the problems I had with the chevy and being laid off from ford. There is not a single family member or friend I have that drives one.

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 3:39 PM, prginww wrote:


    I should think about what I print?

    I can't take you serious if you can't spell "article, really, heart, by, know, Chrysler, domestic, or suppliers"

    Thanks for reading though...

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 3:42 PM, prginww wrote:

    This article failed to mention the 7 GM plants that Obama opened in China with our tax dollars over his first four years. Yes, he created new jobs, he just failed to say where.

    Also, we were in a Ford dealership recently. In the showroom there was a sign that read "40% of the parts were made in the United States, 20% made in Mexico and 10% made in China". I asked the salesman where the other 30% of the parts were made. He didn't know and he disappeared in a back room. The manager didn't know either. 40% of American made parts and 60% of foreign parts = a predominantly foreign made car.

    It is not us the consumers that are hurting the auto industry, it is the auto industry hurting themselves by making poor quality vehicles and using foreign parts. We love our Tundra and Camry and they have never let us down. My Chevy Malibu was bought new and back at the dealer almost every week for a defect of some kind. It started rattling after 6 months and the paint work looked horrible after 1 year. Our Ford Crown Vic already needed major engine work and has less than 72,000 miles. The engine light came on and $800 please.

    The recalls the article talks about: Toyota had the carpet overlapping the accelerator pedal. GM and Dodge just up and catch fire. Which do you think is worse?

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 3:49 PM, prginww wrote:

    I already questioned the integrity of the article when the author couldn't wrap his head around whether the car is bought in large numbers.

    If one car is made 100% from American labor yet only 2 cars are made vs. a car made from 50% American labor but 100,000 are made. Which contributes more?

    The one that averages out to 50,000 cars worth of labor or the one that averages 1 car worth of labor?

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 3:53 PM, prginww wrote:


    Toyota also had airbags that randomly deployed while driving. That's not good for safe driving. Though I agree with the pedal issue.

    To your other point, what model were those statistics for? I clearly have research that shows more vehicles are produced with more american parts by Detroit's three.


    I clearly said that... I quote " I understand it's to discount vehicles that are 100% and only sell 10 vehicles". Then went on to finish the argument...

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 3:53 PM, prginww wrote:

    You had me until you started talking about where the companies are headquartered. That actually makes all the difference because it's the Asian market cornering the American market. So you see, the facts support the idea that Asian automakers are more American than American automakers. The facts support it unless you skew them to your advantage.

    Motley fool indeed.

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 4:11 PM, prginww wrote:

    Maybe it's time to give Detroit a second chance...most people have given Detroit a third or better chance. Why is this "buy american" blaming the consumer? Shouldn't consumers be allowed to buy whatever they choose? After all it IS their hard-earned money. I have no issues with those who want to buy a product based on where its made or final assembly. The issue is when demands are being placed on consumers on what products to buy. By this "logic" japanese should only buy their products and germans should only buy their product. What about japanese and germans who live in the USA? Buy american is just a form of protectionism. We don't close our borders to illegal immigrants but we should close them to foreign products? Capitalism is based on consumer choice and "buy american" wants to remove this choice. No thank you. I've had my share of domestic and foreign and my purchase decision was based largely on whatever breaks the dealer was willing to give me. If Detroit wants my money make me an offer. The other issue with Detroit is the advertised prices are almost always employee (A/Z) plans. If G/F/C really want the general public in their showrooms, they will advertise the public prices. Where else do you see this tactic? To ask a consumer to buy a product out of some misguided sense of patriotism (something "buy american" hammers insistently) is misdirected and disrespectful.

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 4:12 PM, prginww wrote:

    Sorry, but I'm not interested in putting money into the pockets of greedy un-American executives that make shortsighted business decisions and sell out the American worker to boost their stock prices.

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 4:14 PM, prginww wrote:


    I didn't say I want you to buy American. I said the best thing for Detroit and Ford/GM investors is for the companies to give people a reason to buy American. Hopefully they can make better vehicles and change peoples mind, as they have started to in recent years. Though it will take a lot more time to re-convince people like yourself -- which is understandable.

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 4:19 PM, prginww wrote:

    the big 3 haven't made cars here in over a decade. they just assemble them... from parts primarily made overseas. that's why cars cost 3 times what they should... too many hands in your pocket trying to make a profit rather than just one car manufacturer located here in America.

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 4:25 PM, prginww wrote:

    One of the reasons I bought a Ford Focus is because it's assembled in Michigan. Before that I owned a Honda Accord - which was assembled in Ohio.





  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 4:28 PM, prginww wrote:

    One of the main issues with the big three is the amount of money flying under the table from vendors to the spec engineers. The short story is that this is how inferior quality components end up on the new cars. The people assembling the vehicle have no control over that.

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 4:31 PM, prginww wrote:

    I'll make it even more simple. Honda, Toyota, Nissan have more Chinese parts than other auto-maker. You can't hide all the Parts plants they have in China. They're hardly any plants here in Japan. It is a lie about them being American made. The only people in the entire world who ignorantly say that, are Americans. These are budget brands. All the poor here in Japan buy that crap. Everyone knows what junky cars those are. They have always had the same problems even before they became popular from The Fast and Furious movies. Not many Japanese in America buy those, they know the American made scam. They buy European or American. Is it also a coincidence about 90% of these brand owners don't follow the scheduled maintenance, and yet claim they're great. I don't think so. Fixing every time it breaks doesn't make it reliable. Then, you here low-budget people saying I only ever replaced oil or brakes. lol. That is not reliable, that is a broke joke. The facts also in America say only the people with no money and under 35 buy this garbage. I know, they're still will be people who will argue and defend their low-budget a55. Well, unfortunately you can see for yourself. Have a nice day, cheap muda's.

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 4:43 PM, prginww wrote:

    @alferaga42 Looks like the egg is on your face. Just because you have an old crap Honda, you feel the nee to justify it. Right? You know nothing and use no real facts other than your opinion. The only reason Japan purchased little manufacturing in the US, is to hide Chinese majority parts. Toyota and Honda alone have more lawsuits Worldwide than any auto-maker.

    If you purchased a bicycle online, and received the parts in a box. You assemble it yourself. Does it mean that you Made it? No! Yet, that is what Only poor Americans try to say.

    Looks to me as Honda owners who have money are understanding the quality they're really buying. Its all over the place.

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 4:45 PM, prginww wrote:

    What about an American brand that is sold overseas? Profits come back to us then> since people bring up the "if you buy jap profits go to them."

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 4:47 PM, prginww wrote:

    It's all in the bottom line. Is the money going to an American or Japanese company. That's who you are ultimately supporting, regardless of where it was made...

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 5:08 PM, prginww wrote:

    Toyota and Honda have more recalls because they are more concerned about quality and customer satisfaction. Especially since the exaggerated "danger" of Toyota's acceleration, which was falsely blamed in countless accidents involving their vehicles instead of the actual cause of driver error, when Toyota and Honda discover a potential problem, they have a recall before it starts causing breakdowns. Ford and GM won't do a recall until after. American University? Yeah, we can really trust research coming out of there. What's next, studies conducted by the University of Phoenix?

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 5:10 PM, prginww wrote:


    it was a more thorough business study than the one from Plain and simple.

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 5:13 PM, prginww wrote:

    The last domestic car we owned was a 2002 Ford explorer that was a nightmare almost from day 1, as soon as we could we traded it for 04 Acura MDX that now has 140,000 miles with the only repairs being on the AC. I also own a 05 Toyota Tundra that has never been in the shop for anything but a ball joint recall in the 1st year. The good service of these autos and the horrible experience we had with Ford will make if hard to go back, it's sad because I would like to buy American but it was their own fault and it may be to late to get us back.

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 5:25 PM, prginww wrote:

    I wonder if the people who purchase fin-soup-rides ever stopped to think about what their money is really supporting (and it matters little whether their putputs are built here or in the respective finsoupride manufacturing countries). The ever decreasing number of sharks is changing our entire Marine Ecosystem and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize the consequences of this thoughtless endeavor. It's analogous to reducing the police force year after year, it will mean certain chaos for future generations. And remember the next time when you're driving your finsoupride putput, there is no free lunch, you either pay now and if you're lucky, your kids' kids will have to. I know, doing the right thing is difficult but in the end, you yourself know that it's the best for us all.

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 5:32 PM, prginww wrote:

    I and my family are Ford owners, Infect we are 3 generations of F/M/L owners my last was a Murc. with over 500,000 miles that I owned for 18 years. If I could get parts for it I would still have it. Now we own Edge, 3 Escapes, Expedition, F150, Winstart and a Fusion, and yes no issues, with the exception of the Recall for the Winstart! Yes I will put my dealer service department on par with anyone. My GF loves my Edge. I guess the bottom-line here that we can only speak for one self, and just speaking for my family, myself and 2 generations behind us..

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 5:38 PM, prginww wrote:

    I love cars. I've owned quite a few and used to work on them as a hobby. I'd get something used every couple of years at least, work on it and sell it for something else.

    I bought my first Japanese car 10 years ago, a Subaru WRX STi. I still have it.

    If Detroit made a car with similar capabilities and quality I'd consider it. But they simply don't.

    I'd love to buy American, but for now there's just too much unnecessary cost driving out quality from the products.

    The plants in the mid-South seem to have their act together. Maybe the big 3 can learn from that and make a product that compares favorably.

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 5:49 PM, prginww wrote:

    I've owned two Fords and one Chevy with no complaints but am now driving my second Honda. It's a great car and I wouldn't hesitate to buy another one. I support USA products but when it comes to my car, I will buy what I believe to be the best quality and most reliable. Honda and Toyota make well built cars and I'm all about getting the most for my money.

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 5:51 PM, prginww wrote:

    Another patriotic article feeding the American sense of superiority over anything under the sun. Its like being hooked into believing being so ahead one does to notice the competition is right in its tail and some have actually overtaken the US. Just keep hyping up American made guys. this is what China,Japan, the rest of the wold actually wants you to feel. Stamp everything USA while the innards are actually made elsewhere. When you guys wake up, you'll find yourselves having an economy based on a Chinese template. duh!

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 5:55 PM, prginww wrote:

    I don't buy new cars anyway. I buy used so it wouldn't matter where it was made. It is already here. Having said that I buy American. I like them better and have had good luck with them. If you do need to fix anything, parts and repairs are much less expensive. I've only had one foreign car in my life. It was a Mini Cooper. It was a piece of crap with tons of problems. I now have a 97 F150. Still running strong. No problems. I also have a 2007 Jeep Liberty. Great car.

    If you buy used you will always get more for your money with an American car. They tend to be less expensive than the foreign ones and are more durable.

    Cab drivers in NY still love Lincoln Towncars. Some of them have well over half a millon miles and are still going strong.

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 6:08 PM, prginww wrote:

    I don't really care where the engineers did the work designing it, if they can't be bothered to build the vehicle here i'm not buying it. A number of years back i was looking at a ford and just before I signed the papers I discovered it was made in mexico so I told them to stick it and went down the street and bought a tundra. If it had been made in the USA i'd have bought it over the tundra which is also made in the USA but I wont support a company whos outsourcing.

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 6:20 PM, prginww wrote:

    For those of those who like to gripe on GM or Chrysler about being bailed out. That Japanese automakers have not, you have to remember that Japanese automakers are subsidized by their government. Both their health care and pensions are government subsidized. Yes domestic cars in the past had bad quality, things have drastically changed in the past ten years.

    As far as recalls are concerned.There are two basic types of motor vehicle recalls - Mandatory and Voluntary. Mandatory recalls are mandated by either the National Highway Safety Administration (NHTSA) or the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). In other words, the manufacturer is forced by one of these governing agencies to recall the affected vehicles to remedy a defect. A Voluntary recall is when a manufacturer recalls vehicles for a defect not necessarily related to safety.

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 6:21 PM, prginww wrote:

    When it comes to being able to use a car, being patriotic is gonna come last since all I need is to put the key in and start the engine to go to work. If Ford makes good cars, then I'll buy Ford, is Honda makes good cars, I'll buy Honda then. I'm not one of those people that uses the car up to 100,000 miles and then sales it to upgrade to a new one. I'm hoping to use the car for a long time and when it gets to 300,000 then I'll ponder about getting a new one. Being patriotic is one thing, but when it comes to having reliability, well, whoever makes the best reliable car is what I get.

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 6:35 PM, prginww wrote:

    I grew up on toyotas, honds,mazdas, mitshu's etc all Jap manufactured carsall of which ran untill we drove them into the ground. everyone has a right to choose what ever they choose. but to say american made cars are best..... the BIG 3 that some of you talk about is only really 2 left CHRYSLER IS NOW OWNED BY FIAT A FRENCH company.... and if you have or haven't noticed that both FORD and GM are now bringing or using the cars built and designed by EUROPEANS... all the recalls that were made on toyotas, hondas were only the ones that were assembled here in the USA not anywhere over seas...

    AS one person said..., if you maintain your car it last a long time and those who bought a jap man. car and vowed not to by another one well...

    almost nothing is made by AMERICANS anymore.... why it's simple the CEO, COO of these companies only see $$$$$... So every thing is sent over seas so they all can make 100-600% profit instead.... Hence therein the problem of higher unemployment and the rippling affects of it...

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 6:55 PM, prginww wrote:

    Before I comment I am disclosing that most of my family is employed by Honda of America Mfg. My father is one of the people in charge of parts and part distribution throughout North America. With the exception of some key engine parts, chemical coatings, and microchips - 90% or more of the parts are made in the US. Many of them are made in Ohio, where the 2 manufacturing plants are located and the engine plant. My parents have throughout the years worked on many "New Model" projects and in R&D - both of which are located within the Marysville plant. Honda has no unions, but they pay my parents, cousins, and husband a comparable salary to what "line jockeys" make at the Big 3. We have full benefits, health, dental, vision, life insurance, etc... all paid for by Honda with little money taken from pay. I think contributing to 15-30% of Ohio's economy makes buying a Honda the same as buying American.

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 7:17 PM, prginww wrote:

    As long as Detroit continues to allow the union strangle-hold on the big three... And subsequently support the left no matter what. I will buy foreign!

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 7:37 PM, prginww wrote:

    well most American made cars are being outsourced to mexico and any other place they can blame it on for poor performance. A friend of mine was told by GMC that his new Sierra is supposed to burn a quart of oil a month. The engine was built that way. WHAT is that???

    Put a Honda engine in a car and drive it for 200k miles. Recalls are a problem with foreign cars, but most can fix the problem here in the u.s. while u.s. auto makers are going to mexico or Puerto Rico to figure out who's screwing up....

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 7:39 PM, prginww wrote:

    A camry, Tundra etc may have many American made parts but the sub parts used to make them are overwhelmingly foreign.

    The Camry and Tunrda for example although made here are not American vehicles. Yet a Fusion made in Mexico is. It is also better for the US economy as a whole to buy a Fusion than a Camry. The money does not go to Japan when you buy the American car.

    Many well respected auto writers and reviewers, the most respected being Ed Wallace, believes that the newer model GM and Ford cars are better than Japanese counterparts. The Fusion for example is without question a better car than the Camry. There have been many reviewers and writers to prove this.

    The myth that Japanese cars last longer was true long ago but for the last several years it is not. It is true that they are more expensive to repair.

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 7:39 PM, prginww wrote:

    The CEO of General Motors gave a speech in Beijing China last year where he bragged that 7 out of 10 GM vehicles are produced OUTSIDE THE USA. He proudly announced the building of a one billion dollar research & development center in Beijing China.

    You better do some more research on this bullsh*t article.

    Oh I forgot the Chrysler 200 imported from Detroit, lol. Built in Canada.

    We should have let both companies go under.

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 7:42 PM, prginww wrote:

    A moot point as far as I'm concerned. Our country is based on free-enterprise/capitalism. If you don't make a good product, you lose.

    I've owned one Japanese car and One Ford since 1989. The Ford models take five times the cost and five times as many trips to the mechanics to keep on the road than the Honda, Mazda, Nissan and Toyota.

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 7:55 PM, prginww wrote:

    I am 55, I have been driving since I was 14, and owned and driven them all.. I vowed as a young driver, when I could afford a Toyota or Honda I would buy one. I now own and drive two Toyotas, and one Nissan. When the American car makers can build a car as good as Toyota I will buy it. And it will probably be a Ford. They didn't need bailed out!

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 7:57 PM, prginww wrote:

    Toyota Tundra engine block, and transmission block both forged and manufactured in the good ol USA! Does Chevy? No, Mexico.

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 7:59 PM, prginww wrote:

    If Toyota would lower their prices they would put US makers out of business.

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 8:32 PM, prginww wrote:

    Toyota didn't have recall issues until they were forced by our jerks in the government to have assembly plants in the U.S. in order to sell them here. Get U.S. workers hands on them and the recalls begin! Our workers don't have the pride and work ethics that the Japanese do. Also, the scam that was played out with the Prius' gas pedals sticking had something happen that NONE of the American car companies would EVER DO!!! Can you imagine if EVERY time there is a "safety" issue brought into the public eye with GM,Ford or Chrysler that they totally shut down production in everyone of their plants until that problem was resolved?? That's what Toyota did - if that happened with Ford, Chevy or Chrysler they'd have been out of business years ago. And you sure don't see Toyota, Honda, etc. asking for public bailout money. Their workers also don't have the US mafia unions, make great salaries and are much happier workers. And they EARN their raises and don't have them forced down everyone's throat whether they are earned or not. Unions -- nothing but a bunch of lazy cry babies who can't come close to the quality of workers for the Japanese automakers. I've driven nothing but Toyota since 1973 and wouldn't drive a GM, Ford or Chrysler even if it was given to me for free for life.

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 8:45 PM, prginww wrote:

    FORD didn't take the buyout. FORD didn't need the buyout. GM/CHRYSLER which is now FIAT took the buyout because they needed it. Do you fat heads have that straight now???

    Also, if you're going to post something on the internet, would you ALL please, please, please LEARN HOW TO SPELL??????

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 8:46 PM, prginww wrote:

    Sorry but don't buy the authors logic. It's about what is best for me and my family .I work very hard for my money and to me buying a car is an investment . Its just not worth the risk.

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 9:00 PM, prginww wrote:

    I wish american made was faithful an dependable. Like they did back in the late 60's-80's i would be with now. I have invested in more repairs.than the was even worth!.Giving me nothing back in return but headaches, trouble an costing me more money. Everyone of my Ex- USA 2000 & up GM,FORD, CHEVY had less than 50,000 miles w/good upkeep I divorced! Foreign has always been faithful, since i found him an has showed me how dependent he was.Still going strong w/ over 100,000 some & no complaints or needed repairs. Just good maintence an upkeep..

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 9:10 PM, prginww wrote:

    Excellent points in this article. I laugh at the dopes who think they're helping our economy by buying foreign transplants here under the guise of Buying American. I read that Kogud article on the Most American Cars and I couldn't agree more. Buying American from American companies who pay more taxes in the USA, reinvest more in the USA, perform more of their research and engineering in the USA, and buy from more suppliers in the USA is a form of Consumer Patriotism. Frankly, I wouldn't take an import if it was free. I will always choose to support my fellow Americans as much as I can. If there was a 100% American Made vehicle, it would be in my garage. Unfortunately, there is not but that doesn't mean that some decisions don't make better economic sense for the American economy. You should still be aware of the economic impart of your choice and if you cared about the American worker, you'd choose from the Big Three. Be American! Buy American! And don't give me that lame argument of Ford'a assembled in Mexico not being American. If that's your argument, then buy a Chevy made in Kansas City or a Ford made in Detroit. There are many choices of American Made vehicles from American manufacturers.

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 9:16 PM, prginww wrote:

    Do you really believe that the parts and subparts of a car are to blame since they were made in a foreing country? When those parts fail is because of poor design, to save money cheap material is used and approved by the parent company. Assembly is better in other countries because parent companies invest more money in state-of-the-art facilities than in the USA. I used to work in a plastinc injection moulding plant in El Paso TX and we made parts for Chevrolet. Cheapest material they could get, lots of rework, truckloads of bad parts, truckloads of returns from customers. If parts met the minimum specs they were passed. Lots of crap and not because of operators or QC, because managers wanted quantity over quality. So don't blame parts origin, it's greedy Big 3. I buy Jap and German, best value for my money, I won't change my opinion until Big 3 builds better cars, wherever they come from.

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 9:58 PM, prginww wrote:

    My Tundra was built in the US, and is the best vehicle I have ever owned. It is however built by Japanese standards, and therin lies the key to this argument.

    American vehicles are getting better an better all th etime, even withthe absurd rules dumped on them by D.C., but they do not yet equal the quality of Japan or Europe.

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 10:07 PM, prginww wrote:

    Wow, is all the words I have to describe this article and its comments. There is tons, even if biased, comments that truly give an idea to the real world aspects that this article touches.

    I appreciate the viewpoints, even if displayed in an angry fashion! That's what this is all about, learning from others who are just as informed an passionate as yourself.

    Thanks all for reading and discussing. It's been really interesting, and I've read everything!

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 10:17 PM, prginww wrote:

    I tend to lean on my own experience. I've owned about 16 cars so far in my lifetime. The best BY FAR was a Honda Accord. The worst was a Mitsubishi Montero. The Fords, Chevy's & Buicks fall in the mediocre. I've never owned a Chrysler, I've never been that desparate.

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 10:53 PM, prginww wrote:

    I don't want a domestic OR foreign new car. Any new car worth its salt is way to far out of my price range. All the vehicles that are in my price range are crappy plastic toys in my eyes. I own a 1997 Volvo 850 that I bought for $2,500.00 two years ago. It has nearly 250,000 miles on it and everything still mostly works. When I get ready for it, a local classic/custom car shop of some local renown is going to tear it down and completely rebuild it for less than $14,000.00 which includes complete drive-train reconditioning. When I get it back it'll be just like new except it won't be made from mostly plastic junk. It even gets an average 31 mpg which is right on track with the current vehicle market. A metal car, in factory new condition, from a luxury brand, but without the insurance rates of a new vehicle. You couldn't pay me to own another plastic toy car. I owned one before, and my old Volvo is faster, bigger, more luxurious, better equipped, and gets better mileage than that crap Chevrolet I paid over $23,000.00 for. At least for me, the argument over where new cars are built is moot. If fortune holds I will never buy another car again.

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 11:10 PM, prginww wrote:

    Who ever said Toyota didn't take a government backed bailout? They took a 2 BILLION dollar bailout from the JBIC - a government-controlled bank:,2933,504055,00.html

    Of course, this was to facilitate sales in the U.S. So, much for letting the market decide... and another triumph for BIG GOVERNMENT, this time imported from across the Pacific.

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 11:11 PM, prginww wrote:

    I consider my self to be an expert when it comes to this matter as I have worked in the automotive field for over 35 yrs. My family has owned 7 parts stores with automotive repair facilities. Lets not be fooled when it comes to buy American made products. Most of the parts that are made for American cars comes from Mexico and China then assembled here in the US. There are some Ford and GM vehicles that are well built (trucks and SUVs) but are flawed when it comes down to the electronics and paint issues. When it comes down to quality there is none better than a Honda product just any repair shop what is the vehicle with the least amount of problems and they will say Honda.

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 11:21 PM, prginww wrote:

    We Americans claim we have the best form of government in the world, along with the best economic model ever thought of. We say that using anything but a free and open economy would be tantamount to communism. So...why would I buy anything but the best deal offered? I have owned a Ford, Dodge, Chevy, Toyota, and a Honda. I have listed them in order of increasing reliability and quality. The market forces tell you who has the better product. Build a better product or get out of the way.

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2013, at 11:37 PM, prginww wrote:

    I'm on medicare. I remember when you never bought a car manufactured in Detroit on a Monday or a Friday. Everyone knew that the union workers were drunk on Monday and looking forward to getting drunk on Friday. Consumer Reports actually published the key to the codes on vehicle sales stickers so that you could tell the day of the week a car was manufactured. The UAW made it easy for Japan to produce better cars. They didn't have Monday and Friday drunk days! The UAW gave Japan the edge it needed.

  • Report this Comment On April 22, 2013, at 12:08 AM, prginww wrote:

    People are pretty simple. It seems that once they believe something they are completely unable to even read facts and comprehend them.

    Ford & GM together employ 3x as many of your neighbors, your kid's scout leader, & your family as the Japanese 6 combined.Yet, you seem to think that because Toyota made it a point to import a very low volume vehicle (Toyota Tundra) and qualify it's parts and assembly as more American made they are now an American company. Seriously??? It's not hard to believe we are 49th in the world in education based on sentiment like this.

    I welcome an open and free market, I do not want an embargo restricting import vehicles as I believe competition is a win for the consumer (me!) With that said, I will look first, not cheat myself from anything that is a benefit to me, and make my decision. As of right now, I have an F150 I bought 2yrs ago, and a Fusion we bought yesterday. I'll drive both easily upward of 200-300k without blinking. I will easily and gladly accept any "my foreign car is better" challenges against either of my vehicles. FYI, you will lose.

    I don't care what GM did in the 80's and 90's, nor do I care how much better Toyota was in the 90's or early part of the millennium, I care about what's best for me right now and I've put my money right there. Good day folks.

  • Report this Comment On April 22, 2013, at 12:23 AM, prginww wrote:

    Funny how people are taking GM (if not Obama) to task for opening plants in China. Is GM not a global company? Is its Buick brand not one of the biggest, if not THE biggest, automotive brand in that country?

    Just another example of people talking about things they know nothing about. Kudos to the Motley folks for writing a good article.

    And what's an American car? They're the cars built by American companies, as it's all the history and culture of a country that influences what they build. No Camry built in America makes it an American car - it is strictly Japanese and looks it.

  • Report this Comment On April 22, 2013, at 12:26 AM, prginww wrote:

    Additionally, the pro-Ford anti-gov folks don't have a clue and clearly demonstrate it with every post.

  • Report this Comment On April 22, 2013, at 12:31 AM, prginww wrote:

    The Motley Fool article is just as flawed as the study. Do you know the reason why Honda and Toyota have more recalls than Detroit? Because they move much faster to fix little mistakes that they have in their cars, while Detroit tries as hard as they can NOT to admit to mistakes unless they go public. How often have you seen Detroit put a 100,000 mile warranty on a transmission because more than 2% of them failed before the 100,000 mile threshold? Honda and Toyota do it ALL the time. It's the little things that Honda and Toyota do when they admit they made a mistake that makes them a better quality product. Detroit will never catch up because it will never take care of it's customers the way Honda and Toyota do when anything even minute happens to a group of their cars. A person that only buys "American" cars probably doesn't even understand this article I just wrote. Don't stay in the dark too long;you're costing yourself money!

  • Report this Comment On April 22, 2013, at 12:54 AM, prginww wrote:

    I agree with the poster above many American cars with paint and electronic problems. And Ford still has cars catching fire from a defective electronic part in their steering column that they've known about since like the early 90's.

    At any rate I know own a 2005 Toyota and a 2008 Honda and have just now had my first problem with the Toyota which I'm sure will be no big deal once I take it in.

    And while there have been recalls they've been minor and the fixes have taken place BEFORE there was a problem. The American companies only recall after court cases force them too and that has been by personal experience.

    At any rate my family tried American owned throughout the 80's and 90's. They were horrific in the 80's and got better in the 90's. But even though they were better in the 90's once they started going bad they really just fell apart fast. Now the entire extended family has switched to Honda mainly and have been very happy.

  • Report this Comment On April 22, 2013, at 1:57 AM, prginww wrote:

    I suggest that if the American auto industry wants us to be loyal and "buy American" that they provide us with the quality, dependability, features, warranties and price that the Asian companies do.It used to be said that the price differential was due to cheap labor overseas but that point is nill if the cars are built by American labor here in the states. I recently bought a new car and I actually wanted to buy American but as I shopped I was puzzled by the fact that any Ford/Chevy/Dodge was five to ten thousand dollars more than a comparable Toyata/Mazda/Hyundai/ Kia. This makes no sense to me. I bought a Hyundai Sonata. My girlfriend has a fusion. There is no comparison between the two. America still has a long way to go. Maybe in 4 years when I go shopping again I can afford to buy domestic?

  • Report this Comment On April 22, 2013, at 6:36 AM, prginww wrote:

    @KLINK70: The only cars that have left me stranded along the side of the road (in sparsely populated rural areas, no less) have been Mazdas - on two different occasions (323 and 626, respectively). I drove a Kia made for Ford for a couple of years. It was the worst piece of junk I've ever driven. The drivers side window once actually shattered when I closed the driver's side door - oh, and within a few years after selling mine, I *never* saw them on the street. I'm quite sure most had landed in the scrap yard. I had an opportunity to ride in a Kia Sorrento for a lengthy trip, last year. The design as well as fit and finish still seemed inferior to just about any other car that I've rented or driven within the last couple of years. I did drive a 1979 Toyota Corolla for a few years at the end of the 1980s and again within the last ten years to bail us out from the failed Mazda 626. No major complaints in either case. However, I would definitely not put Mazda or Kia in the same category as Honda, Toyota - or even the Chevys and Fords that I've driven over the last ten years. I've never driven or ridden in a Hyundai. I can think of only one person that I've known that ever owned one, so can't comment there. I used to avoid them for rentals because of the QA issues they used to have. But, those seem to be well in their past, at this point.

  • Report this Comment On April 22, 2013, at 6:48 AM, prginww wrote:

    My sister bought a Pinto just before it was made known that Ford found it financially more rewarding for the company to let people die in the Pintos that to fix the problem.

    Years later I bought a used Ford from a Ford dealership that had 18,000 miles on it and was told the car was still under warranty. Within a few weeks the transmission burned up just before I was going back to school. I was told by Ford that the warranty would not cover my car and when I mentioned the Lemmon Law their response was sue us.

    Since that time I never bought another Ford and would never condiser them. I tell my story about Ford every time someone tells me they are considering any one of their products.

    After my Ford experience I bought a Honda and never looked back. I drove my Honda for 10yrs without one problem - smartest purchase I ever made. I have also owned Nissan - another great product.

    Ever since my experiences with Ford again never ever would I own one of their products .

  • Report this Comment On April 22, 2013, at 7:42 AM, prginww wrote:

    Any vehicle assembled in this country is an American car. I don't care who owns the company but I do care that I helped to put food on the table of an American worker. If you want to cut costs by hiring overseas workers or those from Mexico, then let them buy your vehicles, I don't want it.

  • Report this Comment On April 22, 2013, at 8:21 AM, prginww wrote:

    So much false information being spread here. For the recalls, Ford actually had the most recalls last year but they were all for small amounts of vehicles last year because they caught the defects quickly. Meanwhile, Toyota and Honda are on top once again in vehicles recalled because they do not catch the defects fast enought. Toyota once again is leading in vehicles recalled in 2013 with around 2 million!

    Someone else claimed Toyota only recalls American made vehicles..... That is also FALSE. During Toyota's large sudden unintended acceleration recalls, Toyota recalled vehicles from Europe and Asia! Toyota also recalled several Lexus models and NO LEXUS models are made in the USA!

  • Report this Comment On April 22, 2013, at 8:23 AM, prginww wrote:

    tablethree - You base your argument on the 30+ year old Pinto????? That is laughable. The truth is the domestics beat or meet the quality of foreign companies now.

  • Report this Comment On April 22, 2013, at 8:29 AM, prginww wrote:

    KLINK70 - You claim domestics cost $5k to $10k more than foreign brands. Perhaps you need to do some research. For example the new Ford Fusion base model costs $21,900 while the new Toyota Camry base model costs $22,235! The Fusion is less expensive and looks better!

    You need to compare cars from the same class with the same options.

    Even the Kia Optima (the cheapest brand = Kia) costs $21,350. That is only $550 cheaper than the Fusion.

  • Report this Comment On April 22, 2013, at 8:32 AM, prginww wrote:

    crossle27 - Your Tundra was built to Japanese standards? Isn't that the same Tundra that Toyota had to recall because the frames were rusting out and the trucks were breaking in HALF! Google Toyota Tundra frame rot for pictures of Tundras broken in HALF!

  • Report this Comment On April 22, 2013, at 8:33 AM, prginww wrote:

    bcweir - The F150 is also built in Kentucky and Michigan. The Toyota Tacoma is also built in Mexico.

  • Report this Comment On April 22, 2013, at 8:57 AM, prginww wrote:

    ANY non-UAW made is FAR superior to ANYTHING made by the arrogant and greedy Useless Auto Workers!

  • Report this Comment On April 22, 2013, at 9:50 AM, prginww wrote:

    I would like some info on the GM Bankruptcy and Bailout.

    Is it possible to count the number of Americans lives that have been ruined by GM filing bankruptcy?

    Please consider employees as well as Stakeholders and Shareholders.

    I have vowed never to purchase another GM or Chrysler vehicle because these publicly traded companies were allowed to file bankruptcy, be delisted for a short time, and then get relisted on the exchange. Also, rewarding management that ran them into the ground with golden parachuttes and bonuses, seems more than a bit hypocritcal.

  • Report this Comment On April 22, 2013, at 10:03 AM, prginww wrote:

    My criteria for purchasing vehicles is to not buy anything I have seen dead at the side of the road (sorry GM and Chrysler). Since my last American car in 1977 I have owned autos from Mitsubishi, Toyota, Honda, and Hyundai. Every one of them went between 120,000 and 220,000 miles with only routine (tires, brakes, oil) maintenance - nothing ever broke. Some of these cars were assembled in the US, some in Japan, and one Honda that was imported from England! During these 36 years, there had been recalls on every one of these vehicles that the dealers handled promptly and performed the required adjustment correctly the first time. This was quite a contrast to my last GM product that took 4 trips (towed in) to the dealer to fix an electrical problem, which they could not resolve. I finally took matters into my own hand and removed the air cleaner to discover that during assembly, someone at the factory forgot to bolt in the last standoff holding the alternator wire from the hot exhaust header. Every time I hit a pothole. the wire would touch the header, blow a fusible link, and leave me standing by the side of the road with my brand new Chevy.

    My current car is a 2011 Hyundai Sonata, which has been flawless for 65,000 miles, despite several recalls, all of which were performed promptly by the dealer including a free car wash. I bought the Hyundai partly because it was assembled in Alabama using about 48% American content. I had wanted to buy a Chevy Equinox (assembled in Canada), but when we got down to negotiation, the dealer didn't want my trade-in Honda and insisted on sticker price for the Equinox because it was so "popular". The Hyundai dealer gave me "Blue Book" for a very beat-up Honda with 130k miles and knocked $1k more off the (very "popular") Sonata price.

    I think American cars have gotten better, especially domestically made Fords, but their dealer network still stinks. In another sixty or seventy thousand miles, I'll check out American car makers again - If they have a nice vehicle at a reasonable price (are you listening GM? $30K for a 4 cylinder Impala - really?), I might be back.

  • Report this Comment On April 22, 2013, at 10:45 AM, prginww wrote:

    jbtfsplk - Comparing a 1977 domestic to current foreign vehicles..... Come on, that is a poor comparison. Domestics have coma a long way since 1977 models....

    BTW, the Hyundai Sonata has 41% domestic part content and it was engineered in Korea. Yes it was assembled in the USA using mostly Korean parts.....

    The current Chevy Impala starts at $26,725 with the 4 cylinder engine. The V6 Chevy Impala starts at $29,950. The V6 Toyota Avalon starts at $30,990......

    So clearly the American car makers sell cars at a reasonable price that is always comparable to the foreign automakers!

  • Report this Comment On April 22, 2013, at 11:19 AM, prginww wrote:

    This article is a blatant lie. The Corvette, Traverse, Enclave and Acadia are entirely assembled in CANADA with very few American parts (mostly Canadian). Toyota and Honda do MUCH of their R&D in the US with Honda having a HUGE testing facility in Ohio and Toyota having testing facilities in KY and CA. Dodge's are mostly assembled in Mexico. The laughability of the "where they are headquartered" is extreme. Chrysler is predominantly Fiat (Italian owned). The number of employed in the US is VASTLY overstated and combines ALL "US" carmakers compared to 3 major "Japanese" carmakers. This article is so entirely biased and prejudicial as to be an opinion piece and not a news article.

  • Report this Comment On April 22, 2013, at 11:23 AM, prginww wrote:

    To me it's not about just quality, or where a car is built, anymore because it is true that 'American' manufacturers have improved quality and it is near impossible to define 'American' anymore. But 'quality' is not the only way to measure a car. For me it's about fit & finish, refinement, and NVH levels. It's extremely hard to find an American car, comparably priced, that has the same levels of refinement that a European or Japanese car has. Americans have gotten used to the hard cheap plastic interiors of the cars detroit keeps producing. What I want is reliability, quality, high levels of refinement, fit, & finish, and low levels of noise, vibration, & harshness. Show me the 'American' car that can beat a good BMW, VW, or Toyota in all of those areas. It doesn't exist.

  • Report this Comment On April 22, 2013, at 11:25 AM, prginww wrote:

    wings12 - I'm comparing domestic cars to an '81 Mitsubishi, '78, '85, '93 Toyotas, and '02 Honda. Yes, domestics have come a long way, and I would have owned a Chevy again - if the dealer even understood the competition.

    - I stand corrected, thank you, dug out the sticker from my '11 Sonata and it is indeed 41% domestic content - but at least I gave some guys in Alabama a paycheck for the day it was assembled.

    - Yeah, that Impala base price is at the top of every window sticker, just above the $3-$5k of factory "accessories". Does anyone even know what a $26,725 Impala looks like? By the way, in 1970 we had a "beater" 1965 Impala with a 283 V8 and "slush-o-matic" trans. Fun car and worth every bit of the $400 I paid for it - despite the fact I had to park it on the street because it leaked so many fluids. I'm sure today's Impalas are better by a factor of at least 50.

    - My current Hyundai Sonata is a loaded SE model (sun roof, navi, 18" wheels, etc). My out the door price, with trade-in, was $4800 less than a comparably equipped Equinox - my first choice - because the dealer wouldn't deal. Are domestics reasonably priced? Possibly - but remember, any of the new hires at the Impala plant are being paid $16 to $18/hr and I don't think there are too many banks that will make a loan for $26,725 to someone in that wage bracket after factoring in rent, food and energy bills.

  • Report this Comment On April 22, 2013, at 11:29 AM, prginww wrote:

    Honestly I think it has a lot to do with HOW you take care of a vehicle. I have been raised in a GM family and I will never own anything other than a GM but we've taken care of our vehicles! My first car was a Grand Am GT with 200,000 miles on it! The people who had it before me took care of it and I took care of it and drove it all through college! The thing is still running today and has to have at least 300,000 miles! I love my American made cars and if you drive a Toyota or Honda then good for you. It just doesn't matter what other people think because if YOU like it and take care of it who cares?!!!

  • Report this Comment On April 22, 2013, at 11:33 AM, prginww wrote:

    I think the notion of buying strictly American is quaint and antiquated in this world economy, but…

    I am an American farmer. I would consider “buying American” when I see a serious effort on the part of the American public, including autoworkers to “buy American” at the supermarket. If everyone would buy food “ made in America” I might even be able to buy two American made cars.

  • Report this Comment On April 22, 2013, at 11:33 AM, prginww wrote:

    Oh yeah, one more point - I'm still peeved at GM & 'ChryCo' for the bailout. As far as I'm concerned, they owe me a car now. Ford didn't take it, and kudos to them. It would be the only one I would consider anyway, & interestingly enough, the only one even close in the areas I mentioned earlier.

  • Report this Comment On April 22, 2013, at 11:48 AM, prginww wrote:

    jbtfsplk - When looking at cars, you rarely do find the "base model" on the lot. There are always options that push the price up but those options also exist on the foreign brands too. The bottom line is the prices are comparable overall for a vehicle in the same class and same options.

    The Chevy Impala is a larger vehicle that many people cannot afford, along with the other full size vehicles like the Taurus, Avalon, and Charger. The Sonota is not in the same class as an Impala. It is a smaller vehicle.

    I don't care for the last model year of the Impala. The new Chevy Impala is a very nice car. I don't know if it is out yet.

  • Report this Comment On April 22, 2013, at 11:50 AM, prginww wrote:

    jsnyder73 - You are correct. And buying local American produce is becoming more popular right now. My family always buys local produce and food whenever possible.

    Just as people should be American manufactured products over foreign.

  • Report this Comment On April 22, 2013, at 11:52 AM, prginww wrote:

    DubOwner - BMW is a luxury vehicle. It is not the same as a Chevy, Ford, VW, or Toyota. My company supplies parts for those vehicles listed above and they all use the same plastics from the same manufacturers for the vehicles manufactured in the USA. My wife had a Toyota that had rattles and lots of road noise. The fact is domestics are just as good or better than foreign models.

  • Report this Comment On April 22, 2013, at 12:09 PM, prginww wrote:

    I stopped buying American made cars in the mid 1970's when every car they made was crap. By the mid 1990's, I bought into the mantra that American made cars had become reliable again. I bought a brand new 1996 Chevrolet Lumina with it's highly touted 3.1L V6.

    Almost immediately, little things started screwing up. The glove box wouldn't stay closed. When you lifted up the center console for a third passenger in the front seat, the console would flop open in the back spilling out all it's contents. Worst of all, just after the 36k mile warranty expired, the head gasket blew trashing the aluminum block. My $19k car required a $3.5k engine replacement.

    Again, more little things were screwing up. Finally at 5 years of age and 70k miles, just as the wiring harness started causing problems with dash lights going on and off and brake lights and tail lights flickering, somebody hit me and totaled the car. PRAISE BE TO GOD!

    I took the settlement from the insurance company and bought an 8 year old Camry with 113k miles on it. Great car til it was totaled after 8 more years of driving and being abused by two teenage drivers.

    NEVER, NEVER, NEVER will I buy another American made car!

  • Report this Comment On April 22, 2013, at 12:21 PM, prginww wrote:

    Wings 12 - True, a Sonata is not in the same class as an Impala, nor is a Chevy Equinox (even if I was negotiating over a comparably equipped front wheel drive model). "Base model" sticker price aside, part of the point is that a lot of people have taken a hit in income and despite the fact that, in GM's case, a significant portion of their costs were eliminated by "bankruptcy", yet they are still unable to deliver comparable vehicles at comparable "out the door" prices. It's a sad day when the American workers that build "Heartbeat of America" Impalas or Camaros, have to buy Cruzes or (heaven forbid) Sparks - or Hyundai's for that matter.

    I hope the dealing is better when I need to replace the Hyundai in a couple of years, because the Impala is on my list of future considerations. By the way, as much as I like the new Impala, I think the Malibu (which is closer to a Sonata) is just pitiful.

    Nice talking to you - hope we all can get into an American car on the next round.

  • Report this Comment On April 22, 2013, at 12:31 PM, prginww wrote:

    Sorry hattrix111, The Covette is made in Bowling Green Kentucy, has been for decades, watched mine being built 6 months ago. Engines are made in Wixom MI. If you are going to post comments, please make them more accurate than the writer of this article, who obviously has never stepped foot in a manufacturing plant. Each year the big 3 has a supplier meeting, where they do everything they can to get as many of there suppliers to move out of America. Been to the meetings, seen them first hand. Kabota, Kamatsu, Makita, all Japenese companies that have relocated here. John Deer, Case, Dewalt, all moved out. Bought a push mower last year. Honda was made here, Lawn Boy, Yardman, Toro, all made in Mexico. If consumers don't Demand it, American companies will keep moving out.

  • Report this Comment On April 22, 2013, at 12:34 PM, prginww wrote:

    Toyota really should build its Prius hybrids in the US. This is offensive that Toyota ignores complaints to this effect and refuses to assemble them here. The other day, Toyota's CEO, Mr. Toyoda, refused to answer questions as to when Toyota would do the right thing and build Priuses in the USA.

  • Report this Comment On April 22, 2013, at 12:46 PM, prginww wrote:


    "It's a sad day when the American workers that build "Heartbeat of America" Impalas or Camaros, have to buy Cruzes or (heaven forbid) Sparks - or Hyundai's for that matter."

    I agree.

    "yet they are still unable to deliver comparable vehicles at comparable "out the door" prices"

    The domestics do deliver comparable comparable vehicles at comparable out the door prices. You just have to find dealers with the same options to compare the car to. A Fusion at the top trim level will be more than a Camry with the lowest trim level. But when they have the same options, the price is about the same.

    Good talking to you too. Have a good day.

  • Report this Comment On April 22, 2013, at 1:53 PM, prginww wrote:

    It's very simple...who owns Toyota? Who receives that money? Who owns Honda? ETC...Buying foreign, whether its put together in the US or not still puts that money overseas to a foreign owner who then invests that money in their own country.

  • Report this Comment On April 22, 2013, at 2:04 PM, prginww wrote:

    The 3 types of lies, lies, damn lies and statistics. The author tries to use statistics to prove his point of view, just like did. No different.

    The only FACTS are...I grew up in a union/Ford/GM family so I tend to bias that way. Or, I grew up in Toyota/Honda family so that skews my opinions this way.

    People see what they are looking for. There are no constellations in the sky only random patterns of visible stars, but hey you are Leo or Libra.

    If you want my experience...I live in south east Michigan (Detroit area), the people that are die hard Ford/GM/Chrysler have a personal connection to the company. When they see peoples buying "foreign" they see it as an attack on their family or pocket book. If you work for GM and it happens to go under, guess what you are still a good person with skills and you can get another job! The world will not end when Ford does! (Unless your a Local X SLUG *Just kind of kidding*)

    Before cars there were horses, some people were Quarter horse families, other Paints, it was just as stupid of an argument then as it is now, Someday there will be no cars produced to argue domestic/foreign. I welcome that day!

  • Report this Comment On April 22, 2013, at 2:07 PM, prginww wrote:

    I live in an area of retirement co-ops. Drive through the town and look in the parking lots of the supermarkets and strip malls, and you will find many of the cars are old. There are 20+ year old Chevies, Fords, Plymouths, Dodges, Mercuries, and even a few Gremlins. There are almost no 20+ year old Hondas, Toyotas, or Subarus, and I haven't seen a VW Bug around, either. As far as repairs go, it is easy to find mechanics for American cars, and parts don't have to be shipped from overseas, so they are cheaper and easier to get. That is not true for many foreign cars.

    I do not hold stock in any car manufacturer. I just report what I see.

  • Report this Comment On April 22, 2013, at 2:52 PM, prginww wrote:

    Building cars in this country has always been akin to government contracts; whomever is the cheapest bidder - gets the deal. Where the parts are manufactured has NO bearing on it as long as the parts meet testing standards and meet the engineering specifications.

    I drive a 2013 Ford Taurus, the tires on it are not US brand. Are they made here? Probably, but they still carry a Japanese label. So who profits?

    How many of the internal electronic component parts are made out of the US. You would need to dis-assemble the car to find out.

    Buying American is one thing; actually "Made in the USA" is quite another.

  • Report this Comment On April 22, 2013, at 3:05 PM, prginww wrote:

    Correct me if i am wrong but the reason Foreign automakers make a large number of parts and assemble their vehicles in the U.S. is because the cheaper foreign labor wouldn't outweigh the shipping costs.

    In my own personal experience when shopping for cars i found that many american cars were assembled or made predominantly in Mexico. Foreign cars were either made or assembled in parent nations or the U.S. I think many cars these days have a % posted on their facts sheet in the window showing how much was made in a country and assembled in a country.

  • Report this Comment On April 22, 2013, at 3:38 PM, prginww wrote:

    LOL, only a douche would fall for this idiotic survey done by this "questionable" professor.

    For instance, this professor claims a Buick Regal is 100% designed, engineered, tested, and built in the USA.

    The facts are, the Buick Regal is designed, tested, and built in Germany, then built in other countries and imported to the USA.

    Looks to me like GM paid for this survey. Got this professor to assign arbitrary numbers to game the ranking in order to get the results GM desired.

    Only a fool would put any value to this B.S. ranking.

  • Report this Comment On April 22, 2013, at 3:46 PM, prginww wrote:

    ouarmy2012 - Try and research which cars are built where. You will see that Toyota, Nissan, Honda, and VW all build cars in Mexico. GM, Ford, and Chrysler do build some models in Mexico but most models are built it the USA.

  • Report this Comment On April 22, 2013, at 3:46 PM, prginww wrote:

    Toyota imports the RAV4, Prius, Prius C, Prius V, Yaris, FJ Cruiser, Land Cruiser, 4Runner, & Matrix. All Lexus (Toyota) models are imported IS, GS, ES, LS, PX, GX, LX. All Scion (Toyota) models tC, xB, xD, iQ, FR-S. Kia imports the Soul, Rio, Forte, Sportage, and Sedona. Hyundai imports the Genesis, Accent, Veloster, Azera, Tucsan, Veracruz and Equus. Nissan imports the Versa, Sentra, Cube, Leaf, Juke, GTR, 370Z, Rogue, Murano, Infiniti QX, FX, M, G, IPL. Honda imports the Fit, CR-Z, CR-V, Civic, Insight, FCX Clarity, Acura TSX, TSX sport wagon, ZDX, & MDX. Suzuki imports the Kizashi, SX4 (all models), and Grand Vitara. Mitsubishi imports the Lancer (all models), I, Outlander, and Eclipse production ended in USA. All Mazda’s are imported now, Mazda 2, Mazda 3, Mazda 6, MX-5 Miata, RX-5, Tribute, CX-7, CX-9. Subaru imports the Impreza, WRX, BRZ, and Forrester.

  • Report this Comment On April 22, 2013, at 3:47 PM, prginww wrote:

    Ford builds the Mustang, Focus, Taurus, Escape, Explorer, Expedition, F150, F250, Lincoln MKS & Navigator in the USA. GM builds the Volt, Sonic, Cruze, Malibu, Corvette, Equinox, Buick LaCrosse & Verano & Enclave, Cadillac CTS, ATS, SRX and Escalade, Tahoe, Traverse, Suburban, Silverado, Sierra, and Yukon in the USA! Chrysler builds the Chrysler 200, Dodge Avenger, Dart, Durango, Nitro, Jeep Compass, Wrangler, Patriot, Liberty, and Ram 1500 in the USA. Ford will also build the new Fusion in Michigan next year. GM will also build the new Impala in the USA next year.

  • Report this Comment On April 22, 2013, at 4:20 PM, prginww wrote:

    Odd, this professor list Chrysler as 100% American, when they are owned by the French.

  • Report this Comment On April 22, 2013, at 4:21 PM, prginww wrote:

    Interesting tidbit,

    Honda just EXPORTED from the USA to another country, their 1 millionth vehicle.

  • Report this Comment On April 22, 2013, at 4:55 PM, prginww wrote:

    Here we go again with all these low-budget folks trying desperately to defend honda, toyota, nissan, etc. These cars are majority China parts. All these lies that you know someone or have family in honda or toyota and what not. hahaha If you really did, then you would know what a small percentage of parts are made in the US. The asian car fans seem to come up with the biggest excuses ever. These auto-makers use Chinese manufacturing/parts so much to use the low currency like China. In order to gain the most profit out of a cheaply made car/parts. China isn't the only one being accused of manipulating the trade/sales market off of currency. To mention the bailouts like everyone likes to argue about, almost ever auto-maker in the US took money either directly or their investors-auto-maker. So, it is a lie if anyone tells you only one or some brands took it. Look for Federal Reserve account statements to verify any auto-maker who took money.

  • Report this Comment On April 22, 2013, at 5:09 PM, prginww wrote:

    I think that was really funny posting honda, toyota, nissan websites using Chinese plants. lol. Looks to me as all these low-budget people who buy and defend these are getting upset.

    Last weekend my girl-friends dad was fixing her brothers 90's civic and her 03 accord. They were pretty pissed when he took out some parts that were labeled "Made in China." lol. He threw it to the floor and went inside. hahaha. I definitely had to record that.It is true the people are struggling with money and under 35 for these owners. ; )

  • Report this Comment On April 22, 2013, at 8:44 PM, prginww wrote:

    Jeez, this article has so many comments, you'd think it's about gold or SiriusXM.

    Daniel, I appreciate the digging deeper, but overall I think you are missing the broader picture that this is dead as a rallying cry, and exact placement on a list is meaningless.

    Let's just take Honda. I own a Honda Pilot. It was assembled in Alabama, and 75% of the parts are American. This is simply a fact. Whatever it is, it is highly American. Also, contrary to your frankly sort of mushy, non-factual statement about where most of the R&D dollars are spent, it matters where the R&D for that vehicle was spent. Most Honda vehicles are completely designed, researched and developed by its design studios in California. That includes the Honda Pilot. Why wouldn't they? Who better to know American tastes than Americans? Overall, Honda employs 28,000 in the US, more than 15% of its workforce.

    The fact simply is, the difference in American-ness between a Honda Pilot and a Buick Enclave still exists, but the gap is just not terribly large. You focus on these lists, or which list to use, or the details of the list. But I say, who cares? The place on the list or its methodology really doesn't matter. The fact that the debate can even exist means those arguing your side of it have already sort of lost. "Buy American" is a rallying cry against a totally foreign import. But "Buy the car with 10% more American content!" just does not have much of a ring to it.

    Separately, do the profits "go to Japan"? Sort of, to the extent that all corporations have rent-seeking upper executives and to the extent Honda grants stock options to its Japanese managers. But more broadly the profits go to the shareholders, it being a company and all. And you and I are just as free to own shares as the Japanese are. As a matter of fact, in the past I have owned the ADRs.

    Finally, since you're being technical, let's remember Chrysler is no longer American. It is owned by Fiat, an Italian company. So if you are going to rail about profits goin' to them-thar Japanese as to Honda and Toyota, be clear about where Chrysler's profits likewise go. Any statement that it is an American car company must come with significant caveats.



  • Report this Comment On April 22, 2013, at 9:30 PM, prginww wrote:

    you couldn't pay me to own an american made cars. the internal components are crappy! Japanese cars rock! Toyota, Lexus, Honda, etc etc are kings of quality!

  • Report this Comment On April 22, 2013, at 10:20 PM, prginww wrote:

    Sorry but I agree that Japanese cars do run for a long time, and even fact wise are known to be best ratings all around are Toyota and Honda, and sorry but there are about six factories in the United States building for Toyota and one in Canada. My husband works for Toyota and sorry but the pay is great, being its as good as a job with our goverment (and I know because I work for the state) he gets treated with 10 times the respect than I could ever dream of getting, he gets bonuses and holiday parties not to mention like I said he gets treated like a human being! I have a union I pay to be a part of doesn't doesn't give half the crap for me as Toyota does for my husband. If it wasn't for fat cat America's being greedy than maybe all of us working for American made companies( the few that are left) could get treated like humans as well. Not to mention we are three hours away from a Honda plant where I know other people that work and make great money. So sorry but if it wasn't for a lot of those foreign companies giving us good jobs there would probably be no middle class. It would be the poor on welfare and the rich American business men looking out for number one! And sorry but that my friends is not the United States of America!

  • Report this Comment On April 23, 2013, at 12:07 AM, prginww wrote:

    Let me preface this by saying "I only buy used cars and all of them are GM", but I am looking to buy my first Toyota. I like the fact there are no unions there as I feel they are a HUGE problem that plagues the big three...that is just how I feel. I am a mechanic that works on imports and american, and see a lot of the same problems with all of them. I see both domestic and imports with over 200,000 miles on them, but the biggest thing they all have in common is that the parts are "made in China", and it doesnt matter if you get them from the dealer, or an auto parts store. I guess my point is that if you have good luck with the vehicles you own, keep buying them.

  • Report this Comment On April 23, 2013, at 8:09 AM, prginww wrote:

    Give me a TOYOTA any day! I would love to buy a American car from Ford and GM (Chrysler is Italian now) but every time I want to go somewhere...I will always wonder

    1. will it start

    2. what warning light will come on.

    3. Will I make it home.

    I'll buy a car on quality, price, and overall cost. I want a car built by people whom don't drink beer and get high at lunch (ummm GM)! I just rented a new 20013 Ford Focus on vacation with only 5k miles. The car shakes at every stop light like it wants to stall. I seriously doubt this car will last more than 10k without any major repairs. I use to have a company Chrysler Magnum, with only 3k miles it did not start up in my garage one morning. The dealership said they had to REPLACE the electronic security system in the vehicle. And 2 months later I return the car to the company, it won't start up during inspection.

    I support quality for my dollar. I'm not going to buy American just because its Made in USA if its not made well. Plus, with Obama as unofficial president of UAW..whom know what defects the big 2 are hiding so they can make a buck. I guess we will find out when his term is over.

  • Report this Comment On April 24, 2013, at 2:50 AM, prginww wrote:

    @TheDumbMoney You're wrong about all those statements. Honda lists its majority of parts made from China. Second, Honda doesn't employ anywhere near what Domestics provide. It's clear your just rambling off nonsense. Trying to justify your cheap purchase. If that is all you can afford, that is your problem. The real facts aren't anywhere near to what you're saying. 40% or less of all Honda parts are made in US. Most are made in China, but yet all of you low-budgets keep denying it. Honda, Toyota, and Nissan have parts plants all over China. Lists them on their international websites, describes engines, transmission, etc being made and manufactured there. Get over it! Apparently, everyone is a liar and says false things except you. How can you call Honda, Toyota, and Nissan liars for posting what/where their products are made? That is just plain ignorant! Go ahead, give more excuses.

    You provide an article based from the US advertisement-scam they use? lol. Didn't I already explain and post this. Geez!

    I live in Japan, they're are hardly any plants here. Not many in the US. 1+1 does not equal 3. Again, I give you fact from Honda itself.

  • Report this Comment On April 24, 2013, at 3:31 AM, prginww wrote:

    I don't know what it is with you Americans arguing about cheap cars. That is why you have the worldwide reputation you do of not knowing anything about cars.

    On one side you have people with money and buying different brands like underwear. Who also use facts because of no loyalty or insecurity about brands. Based off of these comments.

    On the other side, 1 brand fanatics. Who desperately try to talk about quality and their single low-budget purchase being superior to anything. Who just lie about everything and use opinion as fact. Are more offended from being inferior.

    It's quite hilarious!

    Whatever floats your boat America!

  • Report this Comment On April 24, 2013, at 5:49 PM, prginww wrote:

    Every couple years I hear people saying....oh the domestics have it all figured out now and are pumping out quality vehicles, then you give it 5 more years only to find out its still the same old crap they've been building for the last 20 years, no better then the last generation. GM and Ford have totally revamped there line-ups with all new vehicles. I wouldn't touch any of it. they use the consumers as guinea pigs. I am a Toyota Tech, and when Toyota releases something new, they do it right. Also, whenever toyotas use american made parts or have shared components with domestic cars (GM partnership), they have always had quality issues. Look for the J at the beginning of the VIN. All I got to say.

  • Report this Comment On April 26, 2013, at 2:11 PM, prginww wrote:

    Haha. Tech my a55. Weird how you don't know anything about the company you claim to work for. Your completely clueless about everything. If all you can afford are cheap cars, that is your problem. Nobody cares for your opinion! Here's a brief summary of what has been mentioned in comments. Cry me a river!,2933,504055,00.html

  • Report this Comment On April 26, 2013, at 2:12 PM, prginww wrote:

    Haha. Nice!

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  • Report this Comment On May 21, 2013, at 3:38 PM, prginww wrote:

    I would never buy a Goverment Motors car again since their illegal bankruptcy where bond holders went to the back of the line and the UAW went straight up to the front with stock given to them. Also in light of the IRS conspiracy to punish conservative groups, do not put it past the transportation department to issue recalls of Japanese vehicles at the behest of the UAW and this administrations request.

    The only American car I would buy would be a Ford, but only if they were built as good as a Toyota, or Honda! I still have not seen the ford that is as good a quality as the Toyota. I will pass on protectionism and go for quality.

  • Report this Comment On February 07, 2014, at 7:44 PM, prginww wrote:

    Personally, I don't mind about where the car is made, or what brand it is. I would just want to know the gas mileage. I was looking at cars on and was trying to find the best one in that category. I still don't know what to get, but in my opinion, it's the most important selling factor.

  • Report this Comment On July 09, 2014, at 1:22 AM, prginww wrote:

    With extensive knowledge in parts, automotive systems, diagnostics, and repair of automobiles, truth be told, I won't buy American vehicles. Let me explain. I've taken automobiles down to the basic parts and put them back together. Domestic and foreign. The first clue I see is consistency, or lack there of, with hardware used throughout the vehicle. Example: I'm able to disassemble a Japanese automobile with half the tools. The second clue is during dis-assembly. Almost every single American made automobile I've had to work on is a pain. They seem to be haphazardly designed and a waste of time to work on. Example. Most American automobiles require complicated steps for some very simple repairs (Spider injectors to name one). In all honesty, I find it extremely difficult to purchase a vehicle that has even been assembled in U.S. let alone manufactured. I think it's sad, very sad, that such a car nut as myself, I can't even count on something reliable from within the country I live in. Mind you, this comes from years of taring these things apart. There are some American vehicles that end up being the good one out of the bunch. Still a PITA to work on though. That being said, I think American Auto Manufacturers need to stop worrying about their pockets, get rid of the lazy workers (union guys, yes I said it, most of them just suck up payroll and move slower than my dead grandmother), increase production standards (if it's junk then scrap it, don't pass it! In stead of .01 tolerance, how about .001? Better yet .0005!). Most drivers are finding out that some vehicles will cost you half as much to maintenance in the long run because the parts last longer. No Brainer! Buy the one that lasts longer. From an automotive business stand point, reputation is everything. Not to mention, if I can save money because of a vehicle's design then hey, I might just buy another one! Duh! Effin retards! I WANT to buy American automobiles but refuse to till they get their acts together. Buy what's worth your money because it's your investment. PS! I've sold 500% more parts for American made vehicles. Just saying!

  • Report this Comment On September 24, 2014, at 11:34 AM, prginww wrote:

    I spent half of my childhood sitting in a Ford dealership waiting on whatever was wrong with whatever piece of junk my parents were currently driving to get fixed. When they started buying Nissans, those days waiting for repairs ended. I've had three Hondas and two Nissans, and I've never, EVER had one thing go wrong with any of those 5 cars, that wasn't just wear and tear (like replacing timing belts and once a clutch replacement.) I have gotten multiple-hundred thousand miles out of each of the cars, and still have one of them, despite having just bought a brand new Altima.

    When "America" starts building something that will last the way my cars have, and get the kind of gas mileage I get, (and isn't butt ugly!) I will support them. Until then, I drive what I know won't cost me an arm and a leg in repairs before I even get it paid off!

  • Report this Comment On November 17, 2015, at 12:13 AM, prginww wrote:

    great article by calling fool every one here because there are plenty of fools jap cars lovers . ,, im not japanese european neather im american so as a neutral person im not defending any one an yea but the truth is that all cars are the same , cos auto makers are not up to for costumers satisfaction any more than makeing good profit , they even laught about you people comments here , just like a cassino s main idea is to suck up money from the fooled costumers that believe they will be rich , ,,, folcks the only one making the earnings of their life here are the cassino owners , the costumers are always gonne loose just by the simple fact that are costumers so to me there isnt such a thing as the best car brand , no matter if its a low volume brand or a high one , we need to understand thar the mayor corncern of any bussines is their profit , now with that saied , i woud say that europeans , are luxury, jap about quality of a car as a hole are great for daily driving and good fuel economy and with good mantenence they will last a long time but are very known to burn oil after some time even if you get the best mantenence but thats only and only if you drive them nazty , you cant abuse that much like racing and so all the time because you are looking at a time bomb, i kind of feel sad for those who mod hondas for high hp , this is nothing but . a river of money falling ot of your pocket, well i have experienced easy oil burning out of a jap car by doing hiway driving at 90mph for 2 or 3 hours continuated straight, And american cars that the only good thing they have is the engine specilally those from ford and GM , well i dont say it but every one usually say that, if GM build cars as good as they build engines then GM would rule the world , and i agree, no wonder that many LS engines into anything on wheels ,so i conclude we most not blame on american cars coz all the brands worldwide have their pros and cons., and that making profit is thir main corncern.

  • Report this Comment On January 20, 2016, at 1:41 PM, prginww wrote:

    From a technician stand point gm builds straight over priced garbage. They take simple things like the o-ring, that has worked for decades and better than what they are currently using for seals, and dont offer replacement seals without replacing expensive components. I was a huge fan until the last ten years of vehicles

  • Report this Comment On March 01, 2016, at 11:00 AM, prginww wrote:

    My dad was a certified tech many years ago. And he remembers the last good vehicle Chevy made. That was 1957. Ever since, they have been nothing but rustbuckets. People can make excuses for GM all they want. And they often do (aka bailout). The fact remains. You cannot ignore the lawsuits. I have been working on vehicles and transmissions for 20 years. And I am damn good at it. From a mechanic and a consumer point of view I say Ford, GM, and Dodge are all junk. The second most reliable car I have owned was a 1991 Dodge Spirit. It had its share of breakdowns. The worst car I owned was a Mustang. Broke down all the time. My dad was a diehard Ford user. Spent more time in the garage than anywhere else. The best car I ever owned (and still do) is a Toyota Camry. 250K miles and still going strong with all OEM parts. Not a spec of rust. And I dont even baby it.

    You cant say that about the "Big 3". The Internet is full of forums where fools hang out to troubleshoot their domestic vehicles. If justice were truly served, the "Big 3" would have gone out of business long ago. They are not honest. They are crooks that engineer vehicles to fail. It's a parts business. It's the modern American way. To sell a product cheap. But charge outrageous prices for parts to keep it going. But I have to say Chevy is by far the worst company of them all. People are dying or coming close thanks to their rusty junk machines. You could write a 10K page book on should-be recalls.

    What's wrong with Toyota? Americans. The more American is has become the more problems the vehicles have. I know this because I am from Georgetown KY. The Japanese always could build things better than us. American pride is false pride. Always has been. Because money is the bottom line. I have owned a Silverado. It had all the problems you see listed all over the forums going back to the 90s. Not even GM knows what is wrong. They are lemons. Yet. The many fools are still buying them. America is not what people would like to believe it is. It is a money empire where dishonest people are preying on honest people for profit. And the so called experts need to stop enabling GM by playing cheerleader to them. Who cares about jobs? A job doesnt justify building junk machines to sell as good ones. Its dishonest. Its like selling tobacco that causes cancer. It needs to stop. GET A REAL JOB.

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