160,000 Reasons for Microsoft and Sony to Worry

In the latest generation of video game consoles, Microsoft (NASDAQ: MSFT  ) and Sony (NYSE: SNE  ) let Nintendo (NASDAQOTH: NTDOY  ) get a year's head start. If the ghost of Nintendo's past is anything like the ghost of Xbox One's or PS4's future, this is shaping up to be a real horror show.

Nintendo bounced back to profitability in its latest quarter, but the real shocker here is that only 160,000 Wii U units were sold worldwide during the quarter.

Ouch!

Microsoft and Sony may not be breaking much of a sweat. The Wii U is a toy. Their pricier consoles are magnetic to die-hard gamers who require rich graphics and heavy-duty processing power. Just because the young families that flocked to the original Wii several years ago have abandoned the new system doesn't mean that the Xbox One and PS4 will suffer similar fates. Right?

Well, let's state the obvious: Wii U is dead.

Nintendo is too proud to nix it, so we all know what comes next: price cuts. It would be a shock if Nintendo doesn't push through a potentially dramatic price cut ahead of the Xbox One and PS4 November launches. Even if they seem to be addressing entirely different markets, the Xbox One at $499 and the PS4 at $399 will seem like highway robbery when pitted against whatever the Wii U -- which currently starts at $300 -- will be selling for this holiday season.

But wait! It gets worse. Just 1.03 million Nintendo Wii U games were sold during the quarter. That may seem like a big number, but it's terrible. The Japanese gaming pioneer has now sold just 3.6 million Wii U consoles since introducing the dual-screen system last November. This breaks down to the average user buying just 0.29 titles during the last three months.

Now, we are talking about first-party releases here. Nintendo's own release slate has been pretty dry, but this is the one gaming platform where its in-house games are the food of choice for players. What does it mean that less than a third -- and likely far less than a third -- of its recent buyers (and they're all recent buyers) have bought a new Nintendo Wii U game this past quarter? They spent $300 or $350 on a machine, and now they're not feeding it?

Well, it could be that they're using the system more as an entertainment device. They're using it to stream video and do some rudimentary Web surfing. This is fine. It adds to the value of the investment. However, what does it mean for Microsoft and Sony as companies that have typically subsidized the hardware in order to make it up on the software end if folks aren't buying games anymore?

Sure, there's some serious money to be made in the digital delivery of games. The Xbox One and PS4 come with meaty hard drives and cloud storage solutions. However, if folks are buying these new systems and then just streaming YouTube clips of skateboard-riding dogs, where will that leave these companies?

Folks aren't buying new systems, and they aren't using them the way they have in the past. Sure, Wii U's sorry fate is a sloppy sample of one. However, no one should be surprised if hardware sales are challenged by cheaper Wii Us later this year. When software sales aren't up to snuff next year as consoles become high-tech ways to consume content that folks have already paid for, don't be shocked when Microsoft and Sony are flabbergasted at the freeloaders that they've attracted to their platforms.

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  • Report this Comment On July 31, 2013, at 8:25 PM, MikeJones77 wrote:

    i wonder if ps3 was dead after similar first year sales

  • Report this Comment On July 31, 2013, at 8:34 PM, ShadowOfTheVoid wrote:

    160,000 in one quarter is bad, but to call the system "dead" is getting ahead of ourselves. Personally, I've lost track of how many times a system was declared "dead" based on a short-term downturn but went on to be successful The 3DS was labelled "DOA" by many but has gone on to sell over 32 million units over the past two years. Five or six years ago the PS3 was called a "sinking ship," with skeptics making comments like "Stick a fork in it; it's done," yet the system has gone on to sell 78 million units worldwide. In any case, the Wii U actually had a strong launch, selling over 3 million units by December 31 (the 360 sold only half that in the same period after its launch), but it's only sold 600k from January to June, which is bad (though the LTD sales of 3,600,000 actually aren't that bad; the PS3 sold only 4,200,000 units by June 30, 2007). We need to ask ourselves "Why have the Wii U's sales faltered so badly in 2013?"

    Perhaps it's the lack of a major ad campaign (there hasn't been anything like the "Wii Would Like to Play" campaign). But the obvious and most likely explanation is the lack of content. There simply hasn't been anything remotely approaching "system seller" status yet. With only Nintendo Land and New Super Mario Bros. U (the only titles for the system that have sold over a million copies) to rely on, there just haven't been enough titles to sustain sales momentum. Content has and always will be one of if not the primary driver of hardware sales. Games make the system. If Nintendo had more major titles within the first several months after launch, perhaps the Wii U could have been sitting at around 6 or 7 million units sold.

    According to Satoru Iwata, “The reason for the delayed release of our first-party titles was the fact that completing the games released at the same time as the launch of Wii U required more development resources than expected, so some staff members from development teams working on other titles had to help complete them. In short, the development teams of "Pikmin 3" and other future games were understaffed during that period. We do not simply have one easily identifiable bottleneck in software development. These days it is becoming increasingly challenging to determine the minimum development resources required for customer satisfaction.” He later says that "we originally planned to release a few first-party titles for Wii U during the first half of this year, but no big titles are scheduled for release before Pikmin 3 in July [August in North America] because we decided to take time to add the final touches to ensure that consumers fully feel that they are valuable titles. The brand of a franchise would be completely degraded without customer satisfaction. This is why we delayed the release schedule of such games." So, a combination of being understaffed (likely due to being unprepared for the realities of developing for an HD console) and Nintendo's trademark perfectionism for their first-party titles explains the relatively lack of content.

    However, there are finally some notable games on the way: Pikmin 3, DKC: Tropical Freeze, Sonic Lost World, Wonderful 101, Wii Party U, Wind Waker HD, and Super Mario 3D World are due this year, and Mario Kart 8 is coming early next year. With the system finally getting a deluge a new content, it's still not outside the realm of possibility for Nintendo to reach their goal of 9 million Wii U systems sold by the end of the current fiscal year. It's still a young system with plenty of potential for growth. They just need to deliver on the content and keep on delivering.

    In my opinion, it's still too early to call it in regards to the Wii U's fortunes. While it will certainly never get close to reaching the success of the Wii (which is on track to edge out the PS1 to become the #2 best-selling console ever), it can still turn out to be profitable for Nintendo. After all, the GameCube sold a paltry 21 million units, yet it was profitable. Nintendo is still more than solvent enough to continue investing in the Wii U to see if it rebounds (which I think it can), and the system is barely a loss leader, becoming profitable after a single game sold. They can afford to take the chance, and I'd rather see them do just that rather than simply write the system off as a loss after two bad quarters that were bad for perfectly explicable reasons (i.e., no games). They turned the 3DS around, and they can do so with the Wii U. If the history of gaming has taught us anything, it's that we should never count Nintendo out. And that's all I have to say about that.

  • Report this Comment On July 31, 2013, at 9:04 PM, RiddleofSteel wrote:

    Oh, Motley Fool you were doing so well. You almost made it a full week without posting a single article about the demise of consoles. I guess the addiction is harder to kick than you thought.

  • Report this Comment On July 31, 2013, at 9:16 PM, hellno187 wrote:

    Wow way to jump to conclusions here people. So you want me to believe because WiiU had a poor sales quarter, that gamers aren't buying games anymore and Xbox One as well as PS4 won't sell well either? Come on guys.

  • Report this Comment On July 31, 2013, at 9:21 PM, Starmoonsky wrote:

    "However, if folks are buying these new systems and then just streaming YouTube clips of skateboard-riding dogs, where will that leave these companies?"

    Really?

    You stated that ps4 and Xbox one are for diehard gamers, but then suggest that these diehard gamers are just gonna stream youtube videos?

    Is there really a part of your brain that thinks gamers are going to purchase a non-mobile desktop device for $400-$500 just to watch skateboard videos....

    MS and Sony are a different universe compared with Nintendo.

    Until Nintendo decides to up their game with some serious hardware and stop making childrens games, they will always be chasing the big 2

  • Report this Comment On July 31, 2013, at 9:55 PM, engguy wrote:

    The Wii-U ran hardware older than the xbox360 and had zero great games for it, of course it'll sell like the gizmondo.

    So far estimates peg the PS4 at 80k and XBO at 50k preorders in USA alone. And those systems tend to have long shelf lives compared to nintendo products that peak early

  • Report this Comment On July 31, 2013, at 10:06 PM, cootdog123 wrote:

    Yes the WII U is indeed dead lol. This may actually be the first thing that you have written in like forever that I agree with. With that being said and coming from someone who has been gaming since the Atria ( yes I'm that old lol ) I must say the other two systems will fair far better then the WII U. I'm willing to bet that either system has already out sold the WII U just in pre orders and that you can bet a month of Sundays on.

  • Report this Comment On July 31, 2013, at 10:14 PM, FreddieWilson wrote:

    if square re-made ffvii or other favorites, consoles would be saved

  • Report this Comment On July 31, 2013, at 10:24 PM, progamer231 wrote:

    Well, let's state the obvious: Motley Fool offers at best C-grade analysis when covering video game industry topics.

    It's games that sell game-systems. Right now Wii U is only getting its very first big deal exclusives (Pikmin 3, this coming Sunday), with many more coming over the next 12 months. These games are Nintendo exclusive and many of them continuations of extremely popular and successful franchises.

    Take a look at Nintendo 3DS (which you completely fail to mention in your article), when it came out everyone called it dead. It would fail, because of smartphone/tablet gaming they said. Now, after the release of strong exclusive titles, it has carried Nintendo back to making a profit.

    It's articles like this, covering a topic that I understand well, that make me question the quality of analysis provided on articles regarding other topics.

  • Report this Comment On July 31, 2013, at 11:11 PM, blindartist wrote:

    The reason people THINK that nintendo is dying is because players think what makes a game is graphics and gore these days. Because of this sales for family gaming have gone down and it truly is sad because Nintendo makes some of the best games that microsoft and sony just can't hold a candle to.

  • Report this Comment On July 31, 2013, at 11:22 PM, normgarry wrote:

    There are 3 reasons WiiU is a failure.

    #1 Wii only succeeded because it bridged the gap between gamers and non-gamers. I've NEVER seen a video game console turn SENIOR CITIZENS and PHYSICAL THERAPY PATIENTS into gamers like I did wii Sports. Allowing grandparents to bridge the gap between them and their grandkids.

    #2 the WiiU Gamepad makes no sense and their advertising strategy doesn't support it. Why have gamepads if 4 people can't use gamepads simultaneously? 1 Gamepad plus 3 Wiimotes makes no sense.

    #3 As the article states, WiiU is a TOY. Unlike wii, there is NOTHING here to convince people to spend money on it. Old fols aren't interested in Zelda, Mario or Smash Bros.

    What Nintendo should have done was recreated the POWER PAD and the ZAPPER - into a mat where you could walk/run and shoot at the screen while doing so. Kinect might even be able to accomplish that. It would make for some beyond awesome gaming.

    PS4 and Xbox1 are seen as the "big boys" and the kids aren't stupid. They are gonna line up to buy either one. Their parents will be FORCED to buy these things this christmas for their underperforming ADHD mistakes...

  • Report this Comment On July 31, 2013, at 11:26 PM, normgarry wrote:

    Nintendo's in house development is still using IP from the 80's and 90's. No other ideas. They also have a bad history of not supporting their products. The Wii should still be going strong right now. IT ISN'T. It died a year before WiiU was released.

    What's worse is that games aren't being developed by GAMERS. They are being developed by corporate businessmen watching their profit.loss statements between board meetings and flights on their corporate jets.

    I've never seen financial news attacking Microsoft as much as I have behind XBOX1.

  • Report this Comment On July 31, 2013, at 11:42 PM, jholden3249 wrote:

    @Starmoonsky To the naiive gentleman who stated Nintendo makes kid games- you're so offbase the outfielder's tagging you out. It just goes to show you have no clue what you're talking about, and you have lost all credibility with that statement. Nintendo makes the most hardcore, in-depth, well-polished, ingenious games in the world. Bar none. Sony and MS consoles are sold by the entire rest of the industry banding together with 3rd party games. And even then, Nintendo's consoles sell more lol. Nintendo can outsell the entire gaming industry combined, and yet you declare they'll always be chasing Sony and MS? Get educated before you come on here making such bold statements.

    @engguy To this gentleman who declares as fact that Wii U is older hardware than the 360... I have news for you. Wii U games look like 360/PS3 games right now because THEY ARE 360/PS3 games, ported to the system for a quick buck. Hmm, a ported PS3 game with code built for an outdated CPU-centric architecture doesn't look any better on a cutting edge GPGPU-centric architecture, and you're confounded by this? It's true the Wii U CPU is clocked at half that of the PS3, but um, I have more news for you... SO IS THE PS4 and XboxONE! That's right, PS4 and XboxONE have CPU clock speeds comparable to Wii U. Why? Let me educate you. Because it's not 2005 anymore. The CPU is no longer the workhorse of the architecture. Technology has advanced. It's the beast of a GPGPU, the large shared CPU caches, and the efficient structuring of the architecture that gives the Wii U its brute strength. You will see this in 2014 when the games built ground up to utilize the system's strengths release.

    @cootdog123 And to this gentleman, who actually thinks the PS4 has sold more in pre orders than the millions of consoles Wii U has sold lol. Um, no. Not even close. Not even POSSIBLE. Not even REMOTELY POSSIBLE. Unfortunately, your wet fanboy dreams are not truth after all. PS4 and Xbox1 have sold a matter of tens of thousands at pre order. The Wii U has sold MILLIONS, lest we forget. The Wii U actually had one of THE strongest lauches in gaming history. Not only is it NOT POSSIBLE to have that many consoles manufactured and available for pre order, no console in history has ever even come close to those kind of numbers. You guys are getting WAY ahead of the facts here. The truth is, the PS4 and Xbox One pre orders COMBINED probably won't even total how many Wii Us sold at launch. And THAT'S the truth of the matter. The Wii U's sales numbers decline sharply for about 6 months and people act like the system hasn't accomplished anything. They act like PS4/Xbox One will dwarf it mockingly in launch sales. You have zero credibility if you actually believe this.

    And to everyone reading this... Here's the facts about Wii U. Wii U made history with it's November 2012 launch, selling over 3 million consoles in less than a month. I don't care how much you like to bash Nintendo, those are the facts. Yes, the Wii U's sales have since sharply declined, and yes the past 6 months have been pretty embarrassing for Nintendo. HOWEVER, Wii U hasn't had any AAA games released as of yet. Wii U's marketing push hasn't even begun yet. The majority of the public don't even know what it is, yet IT STILL sits at close to 4 million consoles sold at time of writing. If anyone reading this actually thinks that Nintendo's big hitters won't sell consoles, you're sorely mistaken. And if you think Wii U won't sell after Nintendo fully sets in place a lineup consisting of Pikmin 3, Wonderful 101, Zelda Windwaker HD, Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze, Mario 3D World, Mario Kart 8, Smash Bros 4, Monolith Soft's X, Bayonetta 2 and Shin Megami Tensei x Fire Emblem, you might as well go analyze the gaming industry from the playground because no one in the know will ever take you seriously again.

    Nintendo makes the best games in the world, and everyone who plays their games knows it. The truth is, no one's buying the Wii U right now because Nintendo hasn't put it's heavy hitters on deck yet, and because Nintendo has yet to crank up their massive advertising machine. Trust me, I've been gaming since the 80s and have owned every console in the last 25 years, and never has a main-line Nintendo console failed, and it never will. The public loves Nintendo games too much for that to ever happen. Once everyone knows what Wii U is, knows the best games in the world are available for purchase on it, and see the price is cheaper than every other console, and see the amazing use of the gamepad, and the free online, and the multiple control setup alternatives for each and every Wii U game (Wiimote/Nunchuk and Wii U Pro Controller), the Wii U will sell like hotcakes and everyone who's been making these outlandish statements are gonna crawl in a hole and keep quiet.

    And one final note, just because a game LOOKS playful and colorful, doesn't mean it's a kids game. You know what constitutes a kid's game? Call of Duty. Shooters. Generic violent dual analogue shooters, which are 90% of the games on PS and MS. Children want violence and gore and cussing every other line in the game, and these games are so easy a caveman could do it. Real adults play Nintendo games. Despite their colorful appearances, Nintendo games are some of the most hardcore, intuitive, addictive, well-thought out, polished, hard to beat, merciless games ever invented. And anyone who plays them knows this. Ya, you can beat Call of Duty Black Ops 2, but let me see you beat Donkey Kong Country Returns. Let me see you beat Fire Emblem Awakening, or Xenoblade.

    Nintendo games make little kids cry. Probably who so many of you hate them.

  • Report this Comment On July 31, 2013, at 11:49 PM, Bunnyking77 wrote:

    With the amount of pre-orders for both systems I think not.

  • Report this Comment On August 01, 2013, at 12:04 AM, jholden3249 wrote:

    @Normgarry You're preconceived notions are false. Wii would have been successful REGARDLESS of bridging the gap. Almost every gamer I've ever met who owns a PS3 or 360 also has a Wii. It may not have sold the 100 million it did, but it still would have sold a hell of a lot.

    Your second point is just wrong. I own a Wii U and the gamepad is the best thing to happen to consoles since motion gaming or dual screen handhelds. It makes PERFECT sense. It's a second screen! It can be used as a tool for MANY things, off screen play, dual screen mechanics, real time inventory and map (which is priceless once you try it- Darksiders 2 and Batman Arkham City are perfect examples). The possibilities are endless. You're trying way too hard to make the gamepad sound dumb. Once you try it, you'll understand. And you'll never want to go back to single screen gaming again, I promise you that. You're just spewing viewpoints of internet fanboys, repeating what you heard because you think it makes a good argument. Maybe it does to the uninformed, but you can't argue with baseless facts against someone with the real deal. The gamepad is ingenious. I have a Wii U. I use it everyday. And the gameplay offered is beyond comparison. Rayman Legends is another good example. Look it up. And as for MP, no. No, no, no. Everyone does NOT get a gamepad. Gamepad's strength lies in it's single-player experience. For multiplayer, the fact that only one person has a gamepad CREATES NEW gameplay experiences not previously offered. Want to understand why I'm correct? Go play Nintendoland with a few friends and you'll immediately understand. Gamepad plus 3 Wiimotes makes PERFECT sense. Adapt.

    As for your accusation that Wii U is a toy- now you're just being ignorant. Why is it a toy? Because it's less powerful than PS4 and Xbox One? They're less powerful than high end PCs, and in a few years, will be less powerful than even mid-range PCs. Are they then toys also? Or are you actually saying it's a toy because of the games? You can't be serious. Anyone who thinks Nintendo just makes kid games is extremely out of touch with the reality of the situation, and ill-informed doesn't even begin to describe the illegitimacy of your statement. I won't even try to explain this one to you. If you actually think that, there's no point trying to talk sense into you. You're beyond rational logic. Mario and Zelda are CORE games. Designed for SERIOUS gamers. Just because Mario doesn't have an AK47 doesn't mean it's a kid game or the Wii U is a toy. And contrary to popular belief, Mario, Zelda and Smash Bros are just the tip of the Nintendo franchise iceberg. Xenoblade Chronicles- is that a toy kid game? Metroid Prime- is that a toy kid game too? Fire Emblem Awakening- possibly the best video game of all time- most core of core games and addictive as all hell- 100 hour main campaign- is that a toy kid game too? What about Pikmin 3- is that a kid game? Sin and Punishment Star Successor? Star Fox? F-Zero? Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze? (and don't even start with the DKC games, cause they're about as hardcore as a game can get)

  • Report this Comment On August 01, 2013, at 12:04 AM, rav55 wrote:

    Microsoft and Sony both are reporting massive pre-release sales far exceeding any reasonable expectation.

    Regardless of who makes "better" games; the money will be spent on the better gaming or media experience.

    If Nintendo sales are low then it's probably because folks are being more selective about where their money is being spent.

    But the game changer is CHINA who just recently de-criminalised gaming consoles. This is the country who passed laws about addictive game play. Of course the console will be required to be developed in China but that won't stop Microsoft or Sony. And a lot of consoles will trickle in despite the local fab requirements.

  • Report this Comment On August 01, 2013, at 12:17 AM, jholden3249 wrote:

    @ Normgarry

    No, Wii should not be "going strong" right now, because Nintendo made the mistake of allowing shovelware to drown out their core games, giving the false impression that was all that was on offer. It's not true, but it's the impression people got, resulting in lost interest. Nintendo is correcting this with the Wii U, but it will take their 1st party lineup and their massive advertising machine to start churning the sales numbers up.

    As for IPs from the 80s and 90s, sure they are. What's wrong with that? A recognizable franchise sells copies. As long as NEW GAMING EXPERIENCES are offered within those historied franchises, there shouldn't be a problem. Except from people trying too hard to criticize Nintendo. New games are offered through new gameplay experiences, not a new character in a decade old game (eh ehmmm, like the 1st person military shooter). Nintendo's franchises, like Mario, Metroid, and Star Fox, have evolved. Some, like Fire Emblem, DKC and Zelda, have fine tuned an already excellent format, and some, like Pikmin, are brand new. THAT'S what counts.

    Now your final comment takes the cake, the WHOLE THING. Nintendo is actually THE ONLY company where gamers make the games- how ignorant are you? Do you not know how Nintendo as a gaming company began? Do you not know who Shigeru Miamoto is? Or Iwata-San? Or Sakurai? Obviously not. THE WHOLE COMPANY IS RUN BY THE GAME MAKERS, THAT'S WHAT MAKES THEM SO SPECIAL. My goodness, the sheer volume of uninformed ignorance found on the internet is beyond astounding. Did you know Iwata VOLUNTARILY took a pay cut to a mere half million a year during the 3DS struggles of 2011 to help the company? Did you? Do you think Jack Tretton of Sony would have done that to help during hard times? Just look at PS3's abysmal launch. People were talking crap about the PS3 then even more than you're talking about Wii U now. But despite that, he still happily collected his multi-million dollar paycheck every year. What about Don Mattrick? Think he would have taken a 16.5 million dollar pay cut to a mere half million? Yeah, right. Miamoto and Iwata are one in a million, irreplaceable human beings. They're first and foremost gamers/game designers, and secondly a CEO and producer. They're probably the ONLY figures in gaming upper management who actually care about the gamers. Wow. That statement was just unbelievable.

  • Report this Comment On August 01, 2013, at 12:38 AM, Wounded82 wrote:

    Jholden likes to scream about other people being fanboys, when he is about the biggest diehard Nintendo fanboy I have ever seen... Actually about the only person I have seen say anything positive about Nintendo in a long time, outside of the elementary school crowd. Nintendo has essentially been making the same crappy games over and over for years, and just painting it with a new brush. Heck, not even worrying about painting it with a new brush. You accuse every other console of just making FPS clones, but Nintendos IP's are fresh because they might add a new game mechanic. You are a very delusional person. I'm not even going to argue with you. I just finished The Witcher 2 tonight, and that is all the proof I need that games on the 360 blow Nintendo out of the water. Have fun replaying your handful of games on the WiiU.

  • Report this Comment On August 01, 2013, at 2:27 AM, deltafool117 wrote:

    The comments on this article were more informative and interesting then the article itself. Good job readers!

  • Report this Comment On August 01, 2013, at 2:37 AM, Tmxima wrote:

    Wounded82 must not leave the comfort of his own home if the biggest diehard Nintendo fanboy he ever seen is on this site.

    Besides, the games I have on the PC destroys your 360 just because I was able to finish Witcher 2 even before you could get your hands on a copy.

  • Report this Comment On August 01, 2013, at 4:09 AM, ronindaosohei wrote:

    This article seems like it is written by someone who doesn't play games. Any serious gamer could tell you that the games industry is alive and well, that the Wii U is a decidedly poor and misunderstood console, and that it's unlikely to steal much if any market share from Xbox or PS4 because they don't compete in the same segment because they have games that appeal to different markets. Xbox and PS4 will compete with each other but they don't have to worry about Wii U

  • Report this Comment On August 01, 2013, at 9:19 AM, gamer67 wrote:

    Don't count Nintendo out yet,if anyone remembers Nintendo was behind Sega in the 90's and look what happened

  • Report this Comment On August 01, 2013, at 12:36 PM, anonymous2013 wrote:

    WHY WOULD IT BE HIGHWAY ROBBERY TO KEEP THE PRICES?? ITS A GOOD CONSOLE; P4 ISNT NECESSARILY WORTH MUCH MORE.

    SECOND IF NINTENDO WERE DEAD; MICROSOFT WOULDNT PAY ALL THE PEOPLE TO DISCREDIT NINTENDO.

    SAYING PRICE CUTS ITS JUST TO SABOTAGE NINTENDO; TRY TO SEDUCE CONSUMERS TO NOT BUY

  • Report this Comment On August 01, 2013, at 9:57 PM, stefanog1 wrote:

    Nintendo has games. Sony had games. Xbox has FPS' s. Graphics don't matter because every console runs 1080 p so don't even use that as an argument. If u hate a console stop bitching and don't buy it! Paying for a console is giving the company a message that the console is great so remember that. Note to all gamers the most Subscribed gamer on YouTube, PewDiePie plays games on all consoles even iOS and PC. Most other famous gamers play mostly Nintendo heck the most famous Lets Player, chuggaaconroy plays only Nintendo! So just buy your games and play what you like and DINT forget the WiiU WON'T fail. The MF are idiots when it comes to games so just pretend what they say is the opposite of what is the truth because it is!

  • Report this Comment On August 02, 2013, at 8:19 AM, dandiedan wrote:

    @stefanog1

    "Graphics don't matter because every console runs 1080 p so don't even use that as an argument. "

    Are you serious? Do you know how 3D graphics work? Ever heard of textures, polygons, depth etc? Obviously not. The mere fact that a picture is displayed at 1080p resolution doesn't tell anything about its quality. The graphics power of todays consoles hasn't much to do with the fact that it can display that many pixels. It's generation of the graphics that counts.

    PS4 and Xbox One will provide way better graphics than WiiU. The WiiU is one generation behind.

    My bet is on PS4. It currently provides the best specs of the coming console generation, it's fairly priced and Sony has a better image among gamers than Microsoft. The PS3 was released later than the Xbox 360, had a bad start due to high pricing and still has been sold more than the Xbox. For the PS4, the start conditions are way better than with the PS3 (same release date as the Xbox, better graphic specs and even cheaper).

    Regarding the gamer market, I think that Nintendo suffers from mobile games on smartphones and tablets. For occasional gamers, this seems like a substitute to consoles (especially for handhelds).

    The ones that have always been and will always bring lots of money to the gaming business are the hardcore gamer that buy all blockbusters when they are released and who want the best experience on their big TV screen at home. They are willing to pay a lot and they are not going to compromise this for previous generation consoles (WiiU), handhelds (3DS) or even cheap smartphone games. This is the most loyal customer base in the gaming industry, and they typically buy a Playstation or an XBOX.

    The article tries to prove that consoles are dead by looking at the WiiU sales. The problem is that Nintendo doesn't have a good product with the WiiU and a non loyal customer base.

    The next generation consoles will have a very good run for the next years and I am willing to declare Sony the winner already.

    -> Long Sony.

  • Report this Comment On August 02, 2013, at 9:46 PM, stefanog1 wrote:

    I knew that its just that people hear sound like that THEY don't know about that jeez do you work for Sony? I have a very loyal Sony fan as a friend and we talk about this stuff all the time and yes Ps4 is good but to be honest I don't know what processor the Ps4 has so maybe I was wrong. But you saying that " Gamers" don't buy Nintendo products! What rock do you live under? Nintendo has created the term "Gamer" so when we're you born? Obviously early enough to expirience the age of brown and muscle games. Like what games do you even play on your Playstion? Obviously not creative ones like Final Fantasy or Kingdom Hearts. Remember who the big cheese is in video game history; NINTENDO!

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