Did We Just Lose 85,000 U.S. Jobs to Foreign Workers?

As it does every year on April 1, the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services made available tens of thousands of H-1B visas, the kind that allow U.S. businesses to bring highly skilled workers into the country to work, full-time, for up to six years. Since 2004, the number of visas was set at 65,000; two years later, another 20,000 were added for foreign graduates of U.S. colleges and universities.

By April 7, the government announced that the cap for 2015 was reached. Companies had filed 172,500 H-1B petitions within that time period, meaning that a lottery would be held to determine which businesses would receive the available 85,000 visas.

A brightening economy?
That's a lot of jobs being filled by non-Americans, but even more surprising is the number of petitions filed. Last year, the cap was also reached within the first week – but only 124,000 petitions were filed.

With the domestic employment picture beginning to brighten a bit, some may see this increase in offshore worker demand as a sign of a recovering economy. To many others, however, the issue only highlights how many jobs are going to imported laborers, rather than employing workers here at home.

"Highly specialized knowledge"
The H-1B program, according to the USCIS, is used by businesses to "employ foreign workers in occupations that require highly specialized knowledge in fields such as science, engineering and computer programming." In fact, the list of occupations that have been covered under the program is long and varied, and includes additional job groups, such as medicine and health, economics, therapy, and all levels of education, from kindergarten to the university level. There's even a category for "fashion models of distinguished merit and ability."

While it may be hard to believe that there is a shortage of teachers or therapists in the U.S., the issue pits concerns of employers against those of workers and their supporters. While the latter group may see the H-1B program and its ilk as taking jobs away from Americans, the former obviously disagrees, since the jobs supposedly require a level of expertise unavailable from the domestic labor pool.

Protections for both foreign and domestic workers
The H-1B program has many built-in protections for workers. For the foreign employee, the employer must pay at least the local prevailing wage, as well as other benefits bestowed upon other employees.

For American workers, H-1B workers may not be used to replace striking or locked-out workers, and conditions for the U.S. workforce cannot be negatively affected by the employment of foreign workers.

Despite these protections, charges of paying foreign workers less, at the expense of American workers, persist. UC Davis Computer Science Professor Norman Matloff, for example, claims that loopholes exist in prevailing wage laws that allow H-1B workers to be paid less than their American counterparts.

Will reform help?
At present, immigration reform is addressing the issue of expanding the H-1B program, not tightening its guidelines. This is due to the lobbying efforts of the manufacturing and tech industries, which claim that they cannot grow without access to additional foreign workers, who possess special skills that can't be found in local workers.

Of course, employers are not required to seek qualified American workers, except in special circumstances, before trying to fill positions with H-1B employees, so it is unknown exactly how employers gauge whether or not the local talent won't fit the bill.

As former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton mentioned recently at a conference in San Francisco, corporations could solve some of this perceived problem by providing training and educational opportunities for U.S. workers. That would definitely be a better solution for unemployed Americans – and, no doubt, for the U.S. economy, as well.

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  • Report this Comment On April 20, 2014, at 12:45 PM, lighthouse333 wrote:

    There are plenty of Americans graduate students have degree but cannot find any jobs because the companies already made up their minds to hire foreigners above and beyond the Americans.

    We have plenty of talented workers but corporations chose to discriminate Americans. They instead gave jobs to foreigners.

    Don't cry fool when you see espionage traitors or blackmails or leak of intelligent properties to foreigners.

  • Report this Comment On April 20, 2014, at 1:30 PM, alpcats wrote:

    So now USA citizens won't do low paying jobs and are not qualified to do high end jobs... Where will this insanity end... Make it attractive to business from a tax credit point of view to train our own graduate students and less attractive to bring in foreigners....

  • Report this Comment On April 20, 2014, at 1:33 PM, Carol1362 wrote:

    Both parties have been replacing us for years. They knew the day would come when grandma and grandpa wouldnt go along for their ride and they are in a hurry to take over America as we know it. They bring in the Mexicans and help us die faster with their new updated version of "health care" specialized for seniors. It makes me remember why the gas chambers were made, to heal special needs people. One visit and no more problems.

  • Report this Comment On April 20, 2014, at 1:35 PM, EatSeat wrote:

    I have met a few IT guys in Los Angeles from India. They earn $50,000 the going rate here for locals is $100,000 + and that's not enough to buy a house which in a so so neighborhood is $500,000. They bring these guys in for a few years undercut local workers and send back the Indians for fresh ones. This is unacceptable as there are plenty of Angelenos dying for these jobs.

  • Report this Comment On April 20, 2014, at 1:36 PM, merchantilist wrote:

    If we believe in taking care of our own and preparing the work force for needs of the future, uses of foreign workers should be minimal. There needs to be opportunities for Americans and rising wages to attract and retain more in these fields. Business is is not about free markets but what is good for them. The call for free markets shifts wherever business sees an advantage. The wealthy Las Vegas casino owner lobbies simultaneously for protection from Internet competition and for a waiver of immigration laws in order to keep very cheap labor.

  • Report this Comment On April 20, 2014, at 1:37 PM, bobby1 wrote:

    When I worked at a federal agency as a network engineer all the other network engineers are from the middle east. it is scary to me that in our own federal gov we hire so many from middle east, to do all our network engineering. I was a minority a US born white boy. I guess they all work cheaper.

  • Report this Comment On April 20, 2014, at 1:44 PM, fishprincess wrote:

    I watch middle age workers being replaced by H1-Bs. I watch college graduate students being replaced by H1-Bs. As for me, I'm lucky that I look young and look like I'm from China and am willing to work cheap just to survive. Gone are the good ole' days. These companies need to be taxed heavily for every H1-B individuals that they bring in (short and long term). And these H1-Bs need to be taxed heavily to support the Welfare and Social Security Systems.

  • Report this Comment On April 20, 2014, at 1:58 PM, PeterPham88 wrote:

    Just add a new tax on companies hiring H1-B to offset and use that money for training programs. $50,000 per H1-B worker per head is about right.

  • Report this Comment On April 20, 2014, at 1:58 PM, OneWondersWhy wrote:

    There is NO shortage of qualified IT workers, teachers, child care workers in this country. Years ago I worked for Time Customer Services they started outsourcing and then using the H1-B visa people to steadily replace the Americans already employed. They also claimed that the Indians they imported had unique specialized skills. How they acquired those skills is highly suspect as TCS ran a one of a kind set of in-house developed software. What was known is that they were able to hire 3 untrained Indian H1-B visa holders for the cost a single American employee.

    When former employees would apply they were always told no openings as yet another H1-B visa holder started. The worst though is when one of the H1-B holders came to me and asked where he could buy Harley T-shirts cheap. He told me that he maxes out all of his US issued credit cards buying Levi jeans and Harley T-shorts to resell when he returned home to India as they are both very popular. The stunning part to me was he said he had done this several years previously when his first H1-B visa ran out. He told me that he never had to repay the credit cards he maxed out as they issued him a new immigration number every time he comes here and that is what the credit card companies use to id them.

    So to summarize American workers who already had the specialized knowledge were laid off to make room for H1-B visa holders at far cheaper wages. When the H1-B visa holder returns home they get to dump their credit card debt on the rest of us through higher fees and interest.

    Companies do not care as the credit card people collect either way from the debtor or from the rest of us. The firm doing the hiring does not care as they are saving money even if some of the work has to be done over or a few deadlines are missed.

    Best of all TCS got a bunch of money and tax credits from the city, county, and state to relocate here provided they created high wage jobs. They did for a couple of years and then began to aggressively outsource the majority of high paying jobs. Taxpayers lost all the way around.

  • Report this Comment On April 20, 2014, at 2:20 PM, engineer00 wrote:

    Simple solution: Government should mandate $100K as the minimum pay to every H-1B candidate. I bet you will see the applications drop to less than 10%

  • Report this Comment On April 20, 2014, at 2:26 PM, POedLib wrote:

    The H-1B is destroying the American IT and STEM worker class. There is no shortage. NOTHING of any value has ever been produced by the scabs from India or China. They are here steal our jobs and that is it. I have worked with them and there are NO skilled workers. Just cheap workers with NO creative ability.

  • Report this Comment On April 20, 2014, at 2:53 PM, vet212 wrote:

    That many and more, unrestrained regulation. unfriendly business environment, and many, many more socialistic ideas causing it

  • Report this Comment On April 20, 2014, at 2:55 PM, gwatsof195577 wrote:

    This is small number of jobs lost to immigrants. I'm not buying into this paranoia...

  • Report this Comment On April 20, 2014, at 3:21 PM, 742ks wrote:

    We did not lose any jobs. These are jobs 'Mercan isn't qualified to fill. Also, it is probably cheaper to higher these workers. Congrats conservatards this is the version of capitalism that you support,.

  • Report this Comment On April 20, 2014, at 3:22 PM, Dupeusall wrote:

    If citizens think they should do the jobs in the United States; why aren't the politicians legislating toward this goal? Once again of ,by and for the people is exposed as a hoax and illusion.

  • Report this Comment On April 20, 2014, at 3:32 PM, copykon wrote:

    This is what happens when a government turns against it's very own people. Immigration laws are not enforced and foreign workers are imported to replace citizens.

    November is coming, get rid of the traitorous DemocRAT and republican progressives.

  • Report this Comment On April 20, 2014, at 3:35 PM, copykon wrote:

    It looks like Obama is all for outsourcing U.S jobs.

  • Report this Comment On April 20, 2014, at 3:46 PM, jimwolf511 wrote:

    And again, please explain this to the entire work force of the United States.. 85,000 $100,000.00 plus paying jobs to foreigners on our own soil.. We Americans still have 20 MILLION plus unemployed living off the American taxpayers through free benefits and eating away at our economy and adding to our debt.. For the life of ME, I call this asinine and sinful..

  • Report this Comment On April 20, 2014, at 3:47 PM, baraka555 wrote:

    This H1 visa is a big scam. Here is how it works. Employers create a job description that no one can fill by mixing multiple technical disciplines that candidates do not exist for. Then they post these jobs in the paper and employment agencies. Then they complain how they can't find people to fill these non-existent positions. They then use the inability to fill these multidisciplinary position that no candidates exist for even in the foreign countries to apply for H1 Visas. This is done so that they can hire foreign workers at a very low wage. This scam is being played out all over this country. Ask any tech-person and they will tell you.

  • Report this Comment On April 20, 2014, at 3:47 PM, peterwolf wrote:

    65,000?? Big deal. We lose that many every year in California as a result of the stupid anti-buisness and sky high tax laws passed in Sacramento. What difference does it make if they go to India or Texas? They're lost to California no matter what.

  • Report this Comment On April 20, 2014, at 3:52 PM, NotarySojac wrote:

    The real scandal here is L-1 visas. A company declares that they're expanding their operation in a third world country and they have to bring some people to the U.S. for a few months for training. Sounds great - doesn't it? A U.S. business building a market in another country and helping to reduce the trade deficit. But the "trainees" they bring in are just doing a job in the U.S. for their home wages - usually less than the U.S. minimum wage. And if they actually are learning anything in the process, they'll be using that knowledge when they go back home and replace an American worker.

  • Report this Comment On April 20, 2014, at 3:58 PM, johniboz wrote:

    All I hear from the media is how the American people support amnesty and increases in the h-1b visa program. Internet, newspapers, Cnn, Fox, MSNBC everywhere! So unless they are lying I guess the American people don't mind bringing in millions of workers. So, let it happen. Open the floodgates and let the lemmings get their just deserts.

  • Report this Comment On April 20, 2014, at 4:18 PM, joan37 wrote:

    My job is SW support and 80% of my customers have thick accent from a certain country, know nothing about the product and expect spoon feeding. I suspect those people are on H1B Visas.

    Do not tell me that they have advanced knowledge. They DO NOT. But they are shrewd. They always demand me to work with them by sharing the screen. In other words, they want me to offer personal tutoring and to do their jobs for them, over the hi-fi. It's so unreasonable, since my job is defect support, not holding their hands or maintaining their systems.

    However, customer is always right. And these people, coming from a certain culture, take this principle to the highest degree, and treat me like a servant. Since I am basically training them, you would think at least I deserve some respect! I have been in customer support for the past 20 years. I used to love my job. But the influx of these H1B visa holders make my job unbearable. I am seriously considering quitting. Why should I help foreigners to take jobs away from Americans?

    I am a libertarian. But I believe a heavy tax on employers who hire workers on H1B visas. The government should also provide incentive for the employers to hire American workers as trainees. Once the workers get the skills, they should be able to demand higher pay.

  • Report this Comment On April 20, 2014, at 4:29 PM, KeepGodInAmerica wrote:

    There used to be a time where companies trained employees for the task they needed. I believe the term " These jobs supposedly require a level of expertise unavailable from the domestic labor pool" Is simply a statement used by these companies to mislead true intentions behind these programs. The very least they could do is the increase the price to obtain the visa i to make it a minimum of $5 million if your serious. Funding shouldn't be a problem.

  • Report this Comment On April 20, 2014, at 4:37 PM, n6532l wrote:

    The “many built-in protections for workers” is more illusion than reality. The H-1B law is cleverly crafted to make it look like American workers are protected when they are not. The Department of Labor puts out the stark reality:

    “H-1B workers may be hired even when a qualified U.S. worker wants the job, and a U.S. worker can be displaced from the job in favor of the foreign worker.”

    Among the loopholes in the prevailing wage is that the rules for setting it are all about the job not the person filling it. So the employer and open up an entry level position and fill it with an experienced worker while legally paying an entry level wage. The H-1B law specifically forbids the Department of labor from challenging the stated prevailing wage. Onece an opponent applied for an H-1B listing a wage below minimum wage. The application was approved. In practice the prevailing wage is what the employer says it is.

    Nobel economist Milton Friedman called the H-1B a subsidy saying

    "There is no doubt, that the [H-1B] program is a benefit to their employers, enabling them to get workers at a lower wage, and to that extent, it is a subsidy."

    Senator Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) says

    "What many of us have come to understand is that these H-1B visas are not being used to supplement the American workforce where we have shortages but, rather, H-1B visas are being used to replace American workers with lower cost foreign workers."

    Former Senator Robert Bennett (R-Utah) remarked,

    "Once it's clear (the visa bill) is going to get through, everybody signs up so nobody can be in the position of being accused of being against high tech. There were, in fact, a whole lot of folks against it, but because they are tapping the high-tech community for campaign contributions, they don't want to admit that in public."

    Former Representative Tom Davis (R-Va.), said,

    "This is not a popular bill with the public. It's popular with the CEOs...This is a very important issue for the high-tech executives who give the money."

    No objective study has ever shown a shortage of STEM workers.

  • Report this Comment On April 20, 2014, at 4:39 PM, MSEE wrote:

    It is remarkable that our politicians make it easy for US companies to hire H1B engineers and scientists when there are so many discouraged workers in these fields that are no longer counted as unemployed. For the full picture on US unemployment, see http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/unemployment-chart....

    I have a Masters in Electrical Engineering, decades of experience, dozens of published papers, patents, and technical certifications, but constantly struggle to find work. I continually take courses to stay current, but must draw down my retirement savings to survive. Recent offers include a year long contract in another city for $40/hour with no paid expenses (not even per Diem), so most of my pay would go toward housing and transportation (airfare and car). This represents a fraction of what I used to get paid, and after expenses is not enough to pay the bills. Financially, I would be better off selling my house and finding some kind of shared living situation than to take this job. Furthermore, I've been told repeatedly that I am over-qualified and over-educated--really?? US companies say that they can't find technical people so we must eliminate the cap on H1B's and bring in as many as needed. I don't even object to bringing in an H1B with special skills that cannot be found in the US workforce, but this is not how it is working. I have trained my H1B replacement more than once. So obviously I am qualified, but the system is broken if I must train an H1B engineer. How does a US company succeed in justifying the paperwork to bring in an H1B engineer, only to have a US citizen train them once they're here and then lay-off the engineer that trained them? I have many friends with similar experiences, but these stories don't seem to get any press....

  • Report this Comment On April 20, 2014, at 4:40 PM, notthatfoolish wrote:

    Garbage article. Immigrants, and especially these immigrants make a huge contribution to the health of our economy, and allow companies like google or microsoft to be successful. If you have a problem with foreigners filling these jobs, as opposed to americans, maybe you should advocate more funds for schools that teach these subjects. This is nativism at its worst. I'm so sick of immigrants being scapegoated for everything.

  • Report this Comment On April 20, 2014, at 5:17 PM, digitalchkn wrote:

    Here's the underlying consequence of H1B. You are bringing underqualified people from Asia (no this is not racism --- let's be realistic where all technical resources are sourced from).

    I am a real electronics engineer in silicon valley.

    I am only 35, white, and educated with Master's electrnical engineer from a real electrical engineering program here in the united states. I feel I like I am a dying breed, not because of my qualifications, but because I am being pushed out by asian workers. An asian manager will not hire me regardless of my qualifications, regardless of our equal employment opportunity laws. As a result, I am placed in a position where I no longer care to innovate but rather find myself in need to staying alive based on political nature of the situation. Underlying message: I have no interest to invest any of my effort to innovate for my employer.

    Consequence is you are discouraging development of US-based technology infrastructure, where employment here provides training ground for foreign workers who subsequently take this acquired knowledge outside the US to ultimately out-compete the US-based companies.

    If you don't believe a word of what I just said, I don't want to argue with you. I highly encourage you to come to San Jose, California (read "silicon valley") and spend the effort to study the consequences of these "benefits to our economy" for yourself.

    If you want to encourage Zuckerburgs of the world with more wealth then by all means support H1B. If you want US to continue to innovate, stop this at heresy at once!

  • Report this Comment On April 20, 2014, at 5:17 PM, Trex1 wrote:

    If anyone has worked in the IT field, s/he has likely come into contact with foreign workers. Although some do have expert knowledge, the vast majority of them do not. This along with the influx of illegal immigrants entering this country from our southern neighbors are killing the job market and is the number one reason why long term employment remains as historical levels. Add on top of this, the dominance of an antiquated employment doctrine called, "at will" employment which allows employers to fire employees for no reason, then you have the complete ways and means to undermine economic development in this country. Both parties have facilitated this and both need to be held responsible. If you allow yourself to get caught up in the democrat vs. republican game, you have lost the focus needed to address this issue. What have our representatives voted for and how has it impacted our community's ability to secure viable employment?

  • Report this Comment On April 20, 2014, at 5:18 PM, n6532l wrote:

    Notthatfoolish,

    More funds for schools to teach these subjects would work if, and only if, there were real shortages in STEM workers which is not the case. Our schools are producing more STEM workers than we have jobs for. See “Our Schools vs. Theirs: Averages That Hide The True Extremes” By David Berliner at

    http://nepc.colorado.edu/publication/our-schools-vs-theirs-a...

    All forecasts of STEM labor shortage have one thing in common – none has ever proven to be correct. For a history of these forecasts see "Do we need more scientists?" By Michael S. Teitelbaum at

    http://www.thepublicinterest.com/archives/2003fall/article2....

  • Report this Comment On April 20, 2014, at 5:19 PM, funtimes wrote:

    I work in a large IT company. We use a lot of H1B workers. The hiring managers are from those same countries.

  • Report this Comment On April 20, 2014, at 5:23 PM, RxVeteran wrote:

    Deliberate In-sourcing of foreign nationals has made some expensive graduate degrees worthless. Pharmacy has been hard it. This is a quote from a new grad. Stay away from pharmacy.

    Posting from indeed(dot)com 9/2013

    I just graduated in 2013, all these stories are true, actually they are exponentially worse. My hours that were agreed at my retail employer were cut the day i was licensed. I have been with this giant 3 letter red company for years. I float now. They company expected me to be licensed to immunize right out the door, since it took 3 weeks, i was told i would be taken off the schedule till i could immunize. I work at good stores and bad stores, good help and bad help. Im 6 figures in debt with no solution but to work as hard as i can and live as cheaply as possible to be debt free. Many speak of working 80 hour weeks but that is not possible any more, there are no hours, no part time jobs, I really dont know what is going to happen to new grads. My district manager has told me he has stopped hiring interns and in parts of the state they have refused to promote interns to pharmacists. i can truelly say the $hit has hit the fan people,

    This is dangerous to the public. Big box retailers have wholesale removed pharmacists 50 and over. The exact people with the experience to keep you safe. I'm saddened by the lost of my wonderful profession. Be very careful where you shop.

  • Report this Comment On April 20, 2014, at 6:33 PM, kcisobderf wrote:

    The H-1B, L1, and EB-2 work visas need to be eliminated and current visa holders sent home.

  • Report this Comment On April 20, 2014, at 6:41 PM, rkk wrote:

    The Universities should have a SMALL quota for foreign students. I mean less than a twenty five. This way the foreign students will go back from where they came from or would take very few high skill jobs. You mean to tell me that companies CAN NOT find skill workers in the American work force? Maybe we should make a law that foreign students after graduating should go back to their country then apply for a job. KEEP JOBS IN AMERICA, HIRE AMERICANS FIRST. Jobs should be given to foreigners if the job has been posted in a classified ad for over a year.

  • Report this Comment On April 20, 2014, at 6:46 PM, carmeno wrote:

    This is the most sickening betrayal by the federal government, to the American people. And people complain about those who come into the USA, who are qualified to only do menial labor! It is completely unbelievable that the employers can't find enough college graduates to fill high paying jobs. Are we supposed to believe that only people from other countries are smart enough to graduate with advance degrees? I was glad when my son was hired where he did his paid internship while going to college because, although he was top of his class, being an American citizen has been turned into a disadvantage by companies wanting "cheap" labor. Get real, people with that visa make a lot but still less than the jobs used to pay. He graduated as an engineer this time (previously as a computer programmer). His previous employer, where he worked as a computer programmer, was driven out of business by the transfer of programming jobs to India, American companies were no longer "good enough" or to put it in terms that can be understood they charged more than companies in India. Lucky he was intelligent enough to graduate owing just $20,000 and that we managed to pay of his first set of loans (also low for the same reason) just before he graduated this time.

  • Report this Comment On April 20, 2014, at 7:32 PM, mperiod wrote:

    @carmeno

    How exactly is it a "sickening betrayal by the federal government" this is free market catapilism. Private businesses should be able to hire who they see fit, nothing more nothign less. Everything you're complaining about, companies looking for cheap labor, companies moving over seas, is not -- in a free market economy -- the fault of the Federal Government. In fact it is the proper function of the private sector, to lower costs, and increase productivity and profits

  • Report this Comment On April 20, 2014, at 7:54 PM, SanPasqual wrote:

    There is no part of the pending immigration reform package which should be passed. Quadrupling H1B's, not to mention increasing H2's, 3's and 4's will not improve employment in the US. Nor will stretching a welcome mat for 12,000,000 unskilled workers.

    Our older workers would be able to get jobs, again. And, the unskilled burger slinger would certainly earn a larger paycheck ... without immigration reforms, and with full on enforcement of current immigration laws. This is a supply-side policy that started with the grand amnesty of 1986, and has been growing ever since that time.

  • Report this Comment On April 20, 2014, at 8:00 PM, JunieBee wrote:

    Why is this being allowed to happen in America?

  • Report this Comment On April 20, 2014, at 8:11 PM, StayDry wrote:

    H1B Visa workers are not necessarily specialized, better, or with skills that can't be found in the US. In fact, it's often the opposite. They are around because employers rather a larger pool of potential workers so they can cut price, disrespect, and tell them what to do.

    H1B workers are often not familiar with the US and deliver inferior quality products. Employers are gleeful with the price right now, just wait a few years and see how their systems, what not suffer long term damages.

  • Report this Comment On April 20, 2014, at 8:18 PM, Ruffy wrote:

    As a man that sold his business with 45 employees mainly because I have been very disappointed in the quality of people that are available and never hired anyone that was here on H1B visa or here illegally I believe many of the foreigners come with better work ethics. am being brutally honest when I say that so many of the new generation are too spoiled to understand the responsibility that comes with employment. A lot of the foreigners come from less well to do countries where the people still appreciate having a good job. I admit that my generation shares the blame for spoiling our children.

  • Report this Comment On April 20, 2014, at 8:35 PM, mind wrote:

    To all those sheeps crying wolf...

    Show me one jobless American with a computer science degree..

    Wake up you dumb couch potatoes!!

  • Report this Comment On April 20, 2014, at 8:43 PM, ComputerExpert wrote:

    The H1B program for some of us, is a sham. about 30 years ago, I applied for a position at UCLA and met the qualifications, but never heard a word from the university. About a year later, I received a notice from the US Government, advising me that an H1B was selected over me and inquired if I was ever contacted.

    I responded i wasn't and never heard anything again.

  • Report this Comment On April 20, 2014, at 8:45 PM, carmeno wrote:

    mperiod, What? Duh, who do you think passed the law allowing cheaper labor to enter the USA and take high paying jobs away from Americans? There is no right to allow people to enter into the US simply because it allows businesses to hire low wage employees. Other countries manage to have a free market economy while not destroying their own work force. The number one economy in Europe right now is Germany's, they also have a very low unemployment rate. The US economy is in free fall and the unemployment numbers astronomical and you think our main issue is to make sure a few huge company make billions while the USA is destroyed internally? What kind of priorities do you have? The USA was doing fine when American were being paid decent wages and the jobs were NOT being exported. Those same businesses are now running ads telling us how they are bringing jobs back to the USA, while importing people from the same places they were sending the jobs. The fact that people are being taken for a ride, doesn't make it morally right. We have no need to import people from places like India; we are not imbeciles who can't do the same tasks they do. Let me guess, you are from India (that or you are a traitor helping destroy our nation). American have a right to protect our own nation from its enemies and people have a right to complain about what is happening. The very least people should do is write and e-mail all those idiots that we elect and demand that they protect our way of life. Our way of life is NOT being turned into a third world country where only a few companies benefit, while we are demolished. Go back to the hole you came from.

  • Report this Comment On April 20, 2014, at 9:01 PM, jdavis wrote:

    make very disrespectful co-workers and supervisors. If you white, female above the age of 40 and now 1st born american guess what. No job, no opportunity and no respect. It will get worse if you let Obama run the Country 2 more years and then elect Hilary. Don't blame me I didn't vote for him!

  • Report this Comment On April 20, 2014, at 9:04 PM, thugh wrote:

    Companies has been crying that we don't have enough skilled workers in the U.S., but in reality they just want to hire dirt cheap workers outside, because their bonuses depend on it.

  • Report this Comment On April 20, 2014, at 9:05 PM, StayDry wrote:

    To Mind - there are plenty of graduates with IT degrees in the US, when you come from India you assume they are none in the US. And truthfully speaking, an IT degree is not required for a computer job, foreign schools are not accredited by the US school systems, people graduate from memorizing books and few of them could really think.

  • Report this Comment On April 20, 2014, at 9:05 PM, daytona7 wrote:

    Everyone seems to have overlooked one very important suggestion. It is Not up to the employers to teach employees how to do a job. Rather it is the colleges responsibilty to provide the educator and subject matter. Then they would need students who want to learn and also willing to move anywhere in the world for those jobs and possibly additional schooling. Our students, both high school and college are only interested in making as much money possible in the shortest time. I've got a few relatives whose children graduated from college 5-10 years ago, have degrees and jump from one company to another who is willing to pay them more. One's son worked for a company just long enough to qualify for the sign on bonus, then went to another company. Both son and daughter followed their fathers advice. Do not get married until either you have at least $1 million in the bank, or in his daughters case, find someone with $1 million in his bank. Then only work long enough to amaze another million or two if possible and retire. Make as much money as possible in the shortest time. His son got married 2 years ago, they have 1 child and he is retiring next year at 53. His sister still has not found her millionaire even though she is worth over a million at 55 but is thinking of retiring soon and move out of the USA.

  • Report this Comment On April 20, 2014, at 9:15 PM, Almaldonado07 wrote:

    Uhhhmmm! Who are going to blame for this injustice? The foreigners or the greedy U.S. companies that seek cheap labor for some of these high tech jobs.

    I am sure; the people will blame the foreigners.

    Just like our politicians, some of the U.S. companies are responsible for the mess that is currently happening in the U.S.

    I am sure there are 85,000.00 qualified individuals that can do these jobs. But, because of cheap labor.....well you know the answer.

    When was the last time you heard of a Chinese, or Indian company providing VISAS to U.S. citizens so that they can go and work in their country.

    No wonder why America is in decline.

    Politicians and a few Corporations.

    Al Maldonado

  • Report this Comment On April 20, 2014, at 9:27 PM, tim1999 wrote:

    Indians have the highest per-capita income of any group in the US, including white Americans. Indians, as a group,also have the highest education level of any group in the US. Seems like all the doctors, engineers, and entrepreneurs running America are all Indian

  • Report this Comment On April 20, 2014, at 9:51 PM, SLTom992 wrote:

    I'm very sorry but either you voted for Obama and a Democrat Senator or you didn't vote at all. And this is what you get. So please let's not get any complaining.

  • Report this Comment On April 20, 2014, at 9:57 PM, mscs88 wrote:

    msee: I am in the same boat... I have been under employed for more than 10+ years, taking anything I can get. Got let go recently, and guess who my boss was? Guy from Asia who is on H1B for last 10 years. Company promoted him, and now he is going to get his visa under some special category... My house is going on the market next week...

    Now about these H1Bs -

    Who are the companies that filed these applications?

    I would wager, that these are small mom and pop corporations (owned by people of foreign origin) whose main business is human (H1B) trafficking.

    1) Shouldn't government establish regulations on who can apply for H1B?

    2) Shouldn't the list of companies with H1B employees be available on government site?

    Couple of years back, I interviewed several candidates for an IT job. Most of the candidates were 25 year old (Asians on H1B visas) with 10+ years experience (talk about creative resume writing), and a white male with 20+ years experience. Next level of interview was conducted by other team members (*All* of them H1Bs and under 30), and the white male failed to impress them and guess who got the job? So we hired a 10 year experienced female Asian whose knowledge is at an intern level... we trained her, as management instructed us. And the kicker is, another team hired her away from us as they needed a *diversity* candidate for women in tech and sent her to a very expensive off site training....

    3) If a H1B is part of hiring/firing who do you think is he/she going to hire (H1B) and fire (Americans)?

    4) A H1B that is hired for a specific job, then how come they are promoted to a better job, without making an effort to hire an American for that new job? Once you are inside a corporation, the country's laws do not apply?

    If you look at some of the colleges that these people graduate from, most of them did not exist before y2k. Yes, I googled some of them...

    This particular department has 90% H1Bs, and this is a global company that have been in existence for more than 100 years...

    5) How come government does not question these companies when they repeatedly apply for new H1B employees every year?

    - How many American have you downsized? How many jobs have you moved to offshore? What training programs do you have in place to train Americans? What colleges/universities are you working with to train the people you need?

    It is clear that there are significant gaps in the foreign worker regulations, and it serves certain (all) corporations to have access to cheap labor...

    What good is it to have elaborate anti-discrimination laws, if there is no fairness in hiring Americans and younger, cheaper H1Bs are given more access to our system than us?

    In the end, I do agree that smart people should be able to get ahead and reap the rewards. But, do I not deserver a chance to compete on a level playing field?

    When was the last time, that you submitted your resume on a company's web site to a job that you know are more than qualified but you never hear from them.

    Too old? Not cheap enough? Too American?

    Too many applications you say, then how come you hired a H1B for that spot?

    How come government is saying that there is shortage of skills, while corporations are telling me that there are too many applications???

    STEM - I actively discourage younger generations from majoring in these (H1B) fields, unless they intend to either emigrate from this country or intend to quit (or get fired) under frustration and start working in HomeDepot!!! Yep, that is the career path that is waiting for them.

    I may sound racist, simply frustrated... BTW, I am not white...

  • Report this Comment On April 20, 2014, at 10:18 PM, quacker wrote:

    many of those companies preach buy america but wont do it them selves

  • Report this Comment On April 20, 2014, at 10:18 PM, copykon wrote:

    I have a few friends, who spent insane amounts of money on higher education and can't even find jobs now and can't pay back there 2,500 a month student loans.

    U.S citizens have been completely and utterly betrayed by the elite political class in this country.

    Once you look past the politics, division, and race baiting in our state-run media a clear picture begins to emerge and it's quite scary.

  • Report this Comment On April 20, 2014, at 10:20 PM, hectormarcia wrote:

    It's just OFFENSIVE for all of us here in the country: where the hell those so called businesses get the numbers to hire foreigners people? This is just ONE of many reason why we here are in crisis: Congress and Businessmen are NOT Patriots, they don't love our country since they prefer to follows shark rule instead our CONSTITUTION!

  • Report this Comment On April 20, 2014, at 10:20 PM, ooTall wrote:

    Our company's approximately 1000 It workers are at least 75% foreign born workers and growing fast. Our HR department is only allowed to forward resumes of Indians and H1-Bs to any IT department due to Indians making it to the higher positions now, and setting those rules. I suspect in five more years it will be 99% foreign born workers, as it is changing very fast.

    The advantages to foreign born workers are clear. You can literally work them 100+ hours per week for a lower than normal salary, and if they dared to complain you send them home. In the mean time you set your entry level job titles to fancy sounding so as you can sound more credible when you lobby to make ever more workers available on the cheap through H1-Bs.

    It is my suspicion that without the H1-Bs that are also going to be brought in with "immigration reform" there wouldn't even be any lawmakers calling for it. It is really all about bringing in millions of H1-Bs and destroying current income levels in the USA. Not saying Immigration reform is right or wrong, only saying it is a cover for their real desire to bring in more millions of low cost foreign workers. (remember each years quota gets to stay and they are already bringing in more workers every three years than is projected to be created in the next five years.)

  • Report this Comment On April 20, 2014, at 10:47 PM, copykon wrote:

    I don't think it's racist at all. It's completely true. U.S workers, white, black, Asian and even green card holders are all discriminated against.

    It's reached epidemic levels. I find it funny that Harry Reid (D) can send armed solders to confront U.S citizens in Nevada but can't stop the illegals, the kidnappings, the gangs and the cartels out.

  • Report this Comment On April 20, 2014, at 10:49 PM, gizmotec wrote:

    When I worked at a large medical device company in MN, it was obvious which job postings were meant for H1-B workers. They would list an array of skills that would be almost impossible to attain. But the job they were filling would be a run-of-the-mill verification job that didn't require even half of what is required. A masters degree was also usually a requirement. They must give those out like tissues in India. Oh, by the way, those jobs would also pay about 75% of the prevailing wage in the area. These workers were expected to use a separate entrance that the local workers used and then go up to their sweat shop to not show their faces until most people have gone home for the day. This is the length these companies will go to in order to drive salaries down. Quality be damned.

  • Report this Comment On April 20, 2014, at 10:53 PM, kaslee wrote:

    Like other users have said, H1B visa program in mass abused by IT outsourcing companies but they get a free pass because of their campaign contributions.

    Plus lot of these companies are now directly sponsoring their employees for fast track green card via EB1C claiming them as International Managers.

    So they wouldn't need to pay these International Managers aka high school graduates the prevailing wage per H1B rules.

  • Report this Comment On April 20, 2014, at 11:00 PM, withoutacountry wrote:

    This is what happens when the PACS and not the people control our politicians!!! We seriously need to reign in this madness that has taken over (our?) government. Obama's big promise on his first term was to get rid of them-but, how soon we forget, he was re-elected. We need to take back control of by getting these paid traitors out of Washington!!!!!!! This could be a great country once again.

  • Report this Comment On April 20, 2014, at 11:01 PM, gizmotec wrote:

    I hate to say it, but if you are a talented kid in the US looking for a career, DON'T go into engineering. You will have a ton of student loan debt and will be competing with foreign engineers who will be willing to work for peanuts. Go into something they can't ship overseas, plumbing, maybe?

  • Report this Comment On April 20, 2014, at 11:09 PM, kennyhobo wrote:

    Face the facts. The US Education system is broke. Professional educators in the US have ignored math and the sciences! Most High School Teachers can't teach advanced algebra! Most college teachers can't teach algebra! When it comes to the sciences, US Teachers are not qualified for the 8th grade level. That's why US Graduates are not desirable for science and technology! Maybe the US needs H1 Visas for TEACHERS!

  • Report this Comment On April 20, 2014, at 11:21 PM, Widowmaker6 wrote:

    I am so sick of this; obama biden clinton are ruining the nation

  • Report this Comment On April 20, 2014, at 11:22 PM, naritthapan2498 wrote:

    American company files a labor certificate for H1B and flown them from India to the LA. I was told American worker is not educate enough and costly. All job requirements posted at Monster and Dice as all job WEB for engineering and SQA are tailored for H1B and no Americans EE and SQA can meets those requirements, EE with 7-10 years experiences in circuit design test and Software Developments with .net Java, C++ Two pages of requirements for job knowledge manufactured in Bang lore USA! 99% of job calls for Hi tech job are from India requested for resume so the US Engineer can be disqualified and replaced by H1B. The visa that issue for the tech job that American is too stupid to work on. The warning about extensive background check for US job candidate and looking for "virgin Mary" American engineer and disqualified 90 of us because of unemployment gap. The background check does not go cover into India and the engineer from Kandahar that got H1B. I am sick and may be consider going home after 30 years working and street walking for Min Wage job in America! Good Bye the job board e-apply I never find the job in the US with those requirement. I am too stupid to meet those H1B requirement with $25.00 per hour job!

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2014, at 12:05 AM, luckyagain wrote:

    Maybe software companies should have some concern for their most valuable assets. As soon as they send their code overseas, it is no longer really theirs. These software companies bring in foreign software engineers to replace Americans and use their time here to train them to replace Americans. Then the code goes overseas along with the jobs. Then surprise, a security breach happens. So the idiot managers act like this was not predictable.

    Almost every American company has outsourced their IT department overseas to save a few bucks at the risk of having their company destroyed by a security breach. American CEOs are stupid, I really doubt if a Chinese CEO would do anything as stupid.

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2014, at 12:13 AM, luckyagain wrote:

    Maybe software companies should have some concern for their most valuable assets. As soon as they send their code overseas, it is no longer really theirs. These software companies bring in foreign software engineers to replace Americans and use their time here to train them to replace Americans. Then the code goes overseas along with the jobs. Then surprise, a security breach happens. So the idiot managers act like this was not predictable.

    Almost every American company has outsourced their IT department overseas to save a few bucks at the risk of having their company destroyed by a security breach. American CEOs are stupid, I really doubt if a Chinese CEO would do anything as stupid.

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2014, at 12:24 AM, daniel10231970 wrote:

    Just look what is happening at Google, Oracle, FaceBook, even Microsoft, 80% of engineers are from India and a lot of them without education or working experience. They all come wtih HB1 or HB2. If you ever were on job market, you get all calls from Head hunters and most of them are India again, they are having a assemble line now. If you are not Indian, you can get temp job working for Indian managers, and continue work for them as your only way. India hold a lot of middle management jobs and only hire Indians for regular job.

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2014, at 12:36 AM, MSEE2MSME wrote:

    Good discussion.

    I used to have H1B visa (I'm a white immigrant from Europe) and have always had the same or higher salary than my American coworkers. I have always had to pay the same or higher taxes as everyone else. Lawyers and fed cost me thousands of dollars in various fees.

    I have dual specialization though - ME/EE (+ minor in computer science). Always top 5% of my class. My american friends at college liked to party instead (grad school was different though most people there were foreign as well).

    An advice for underemployed/unemployed natives- I have been asked to interview prospective candidates for ME/EE positions:

    If you cannot find a job, have you thought about relocation? (I've just moved across the country for a better job). Do you have a degree from a decent school - say top 50? Are you flexible enough?

    Good engineers do not walk idly on the streets- they are all employed (at least in my fields). All "engineers" I've met who were looking for a job had quite disappointingly low technical skills.

    However, I do agree that the IT/CS sector is seriously suspicious.

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2014, at 1:05 AM, Setafire wrote:

    To all the Americans,

    I am not an American. I came here not to steal anybody's job, but to get better education that was not available to people like me back in my country. But guess what, that education does come at a very high cost too. So, in order to pay that off, its quite natural for foreigners to work here to get their Return on Investment. I hope nobody would revoke against that. I just happened to stumble on this post and was reading about the amount of wrath people have posted.

    In one way, you are right. Many H-1, L-1 visas are wrongly filled in by incapable people through illegal means. And Americans are smart. Well, at least some of them are indeed very smart and hard-working. But these are the ones I have come across at my workplace or school. I really have not been in touch with someone who is very smart and doesn't have a job.

    But I think this is overreaction. I will state the reasons:

    For any business, profit is definitely the highest priority. So nobody would be so foolish as to invest even a single dollar into something that gives no value as an outcome, let alone spending the salary of one American on 3 different foreigners, unless they get more value out of the three foreign people combined together, rather than 1.

    So the idea that foreigners are dumber than Americans is stupid.

    Secondly, what I have observed among most Americans, no offence intended( its my opinion), is that they are extremely focused people and would be experts at doing one job. Not many of them are skilled at multitasking or excel in multiple things at the same time.

    On the contrary, multitasking is ingrained in many people from the developing countries, because of the way they are brought up. As a result, many foreigners are like Jacks of all trades than being Master of one.

    So unless the companies are getting more value for their money, the demand for H1 won't increase that drastically.

    And trust me, if foreigners would have been so dumb, the American economy would have already crumbled by now and there would have been no demand for either the education or the jobs here.

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2014, at 1:33 AM, superdaddy wrote:

    I work for a top telecommunication company in the south Cal. The top management are now the second generation. Now there is this Indian guy who got into the company's decision circle. This is a guy who have outsourced 3 US companies already. And this is his fourth and probably biggest one. He already setup the joint in India and are hiring like crazy. He sets requirement for US workers to "improve efficiency" by 15% every year while his Indian operation delivers nothing but sheet. American workers are beaten up like dogs (literary speaking) and any minor mistake you are gone. They treat us like slaves.

    Ironically, those 3 companies this Indian guy outsourced are mostly bankrupt already or barely surviving in India. So it doesn't take a genius to figure out this guy is a scam. Too bad for us American workers the second generation talentless leaders have no vision, ambition or the will to lead. They just want to sell daddy's big'ol company and make some money for themselves.

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2014, at 2:01 AM, ImJustABill wrote:

    The STEM "crisis" is a myth. Excellent article by a similar title in IEEE spectrum a few months back.

    There is no shortage of engineers - if there were salaries would be skyrocketing.

    Basic economics - if there is a shortage of something the price goes up. Supply and demand. There is a big shortage of limes right now. The price of limes has gone up by as much as 600% recently.

    Has the price of engineering labor in the U.S. gone up 600%? 60% Even 6%? (relative to inflation). Didn't think so. Truth is, there is no shortage of engineers; H1B visas are used to make sure the supply stays high enough to hold down the price of engineering labor (i.e. salaries).

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2014, at 2:42 AM, hammertime wrote:

    reverse discrimination has been going on for 50 years now it is time to change this bs the govt dont give a rats ass about any of us

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2014, at 4:07 AM, Balpasu1 wrote:

    It is a myth that Indians and Chinese employees are cheap. Several of the well known companies in Silicon valley were started by Indians Sun Microsystems, the current head of Microsoft, the brain behind Google were these exapts without which US will not be successful as it is currently. US has been a melting pot and will be melting pot this time with Non Whites! and yes jobs will move across the world (most to East) because that is where the brains and hardworking people are. It is alos time that the higher positions of AMercian companies must be filled up Indians and Chinese as they contribute to the success of the company. If you are not willing to open up then shut up your business in these countries and let us see how long does these companies survive from running their businesses only out of West! Wake up guys...your era of domination is over. Remember who started WTO?

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2014, at 7:17 AM, Howdie wrote:

    What they should do is end the lottery and award the visas based on salary. The 65K offers with the highest salaries get in.

    When high level managers start losing their jobs to H1Bs, you'll see the policy change to Americans first.

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2014, at 8:41 AM, WarriorClass wrote:

    Anyone that has actually worked in industries that hires foreigners through the H-1B visa program knows that these workers are not highly skilled or specialized but are simply a way of keeping the costs of labor down or even a way to get friends or relatives into the country and deprive American workers of jobs.

    BP does this on a regular basis, and has fired American workers in order to bring in foreigners while their plants explode and destroy American land, water and oceans. This foreign corporation is reminiscent of The East India Trading Company minus its own army, although far more destructive to American jobs, resources and environment.

    If more unemployed Americans were aware of the fraud in the H-1B visa program, they'd dismantle it and kick out foreign corporations like BP, along with the politicians and government officials that allow this pillaging of America.

    If The Motley Fool or Amanda Alix had any idea of what was really going on with the H-1B visa program, they'd have never published such a soft peddling article as the one above.

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2014, at 8:45 AM, ThinkMn wrote:

    Highly specialized? Right. Its how Microsoft, Nationwide Ins. and other companies avoid paying good wages to U.S. programmers. Hiring Indians and Chinese tech workers keeps wages down. If there was really a shortage wages would reflect it.

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2014, at 8:47 AM, DrG wrote:

    I live in Ohio. We have teachers working in restaurants as servers and in 7/11 stores as clerks. Local universities are flooding the market with counselors that cant get a job. RNs being laid off from hospitals and medical practices taken over by hospitals.Maybe need more computer software development people, chemists, engineers needed. Why cant we make them here?? Are these open visas there to benefit Silicon Valley companies like Facebook, Google, Koch bros? Apple already farms out their work to China.

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2014, at 8:54 AM, circuitj1 wrote:

    There are numerous jobs that could be done by Americans who are out of work, but they will not bring thimselves to work as a maid in a hotel, pick up trash, or any of the thousandof other jobs that are out there. In many states especially in the summer the hotels on the coast hire from other countries because they can't file the positions locally. If you need to put food on the table and take care of your family a person should be willing to perfrom any type of work and still look for something in the profession you are trained in. However, there are those who just want to get the handouts fromt he government and not even try to make their life better by workign for a living.

    I work overseas and have for years. My advise for many who want to make more money to look overseas for work. I make much more working overseas than I could in America. This is also what many people coming to America to work are looking at. They can make a heck of a lot more money working in America than they can in the country they are from. I don't falt them for coming to America at all to work. They are coming to America legally, not like so many who are in America illegially working and getting many benefits that hard working Americans can't get.

    But until many Americans get off their lazy asses and get out and work for a living eventhough the job may not be to their liking companies will always be brining workers in from other countries on legal visas. It's a fact of life.

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2014, at 8:55 AM, DrG wrote:

    The average American operates under the illusion that American corporations should have some kind of loyalty to the US and its citizens. They are really only loyal to increasing profits for the top managers and the investors.

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2014, at 9:20 AM, Nani wrote:

    Bill Gates and other billionaire high tech CEO's have gone before congress multiple times demanding UNLIMITED H1B visas, because they want to replace most of their workers with imported foreign workers from India and China. Guess high tech jobs are also considered "jobs Americans won't do"...and I know that Senators Patty Murray and Maria Cantwell are on board 100% with Gates, because they would rather have a billionaire as a good buddy than protect jobs for American workers. And that pretty much sums up most of congress. Both the Senate and House amnesty bills are supposed to allow, via the various visa programs, H1B being only one, another million foreign workers to come into the country to take jobs, currently, I guess the total for all the visa programs is at 1 million, so it will be increased to 2 million a year. And this has been going on thru out the entire 6 year recession, when you or your family members could not find jobs, a million foreign workers were coming in each year to jobs waiting for them!

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2014, at 9:38 AM, Nickn1944 wrote:

    This is how the wealthy corporate owners hold down wages in the scientific disciplines. By increasing the supply of job candidates, wages stay low. The end result is that over the years, these jobs do not pay a salary commensurate with the effort and expense to obtain the required education. So, American young people go into other, better paying fields that do not require 5 or 6 years of schooling and the fact that you are not earning anything during those years of education. Write your congressman today and object to the issuing of any H-1B visas. I write mine on this subject several times a year.

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2014, at 10:09 AM, rastus29 wrote:

    It all boils down to some politicians getting ritcher, they could care less about the American people that need to go to work

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2014, at 10:38 AM, Citizenx911 wrote:

    What we have here is the result of legalized Bribery of our politicians. When our government has turned a blind eye to the suffering of its Citizens in lieu of special interests, it is time to act. Without campaign finance reform we have no democracy just paid bag men for the rich special interests. Our country is no longer what our fore fathers experienced.

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2014, at 10:47 AM, pdei47 wrote:

    Those jobs could still have gone to the locals but when people are constantly complaining about everything instead of being grateful this is what happens. Americans have screwed themselves out of these good jobs by relying on crooked unions who overpriced their worth & took money under the table to get people to vote for useless crap they knew wasn’t going to happen. Ever notice how the union leaders are always the ones who never lose out on a check whereas the American worker walks a picket line for (if they are lucky $50-100 a week) while on strike. Big businesses aren’t going to bargain with lazy Americans when they can bring people in for half the price & get just as much work done “IF NOT MORE”……. Now say thank you to your republican leaders for de-regulating this country into the current state it’s in. And make sure you send out a special thanks to that fool Ronald Reagan because as soon as he was put into office all hell broke loose. I didn’t see my first homeless person until he was elected and from that day forward it’s been downhill for this country….

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2014, at 10:54 AM, Citizenx911 wrote:

    Crooked unions justify crooked businesses? Both have taken advantage of legalized bribery and BOTH ARE UNACCEPTABLE. Now businesses are the victors in crime?

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2014, at 10:58 AM, VegasSmitty wrote:

    H1B's do nothing but allow companies to pay less to foreign workers then US citizens!

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2014, at 11:16 AM, Dataflow2 wrote:

    Here is one more example. HCL America, Indian company that claims to care for employees.

    All their executives are Indian and all managers are Indian, they only hire American workers for their call centers/help desk because most of their clients don't want to deal with people with accents that US customer just can not understand.

    They keep bringing those H_1B visa managers from India and put them in charge while they have no idea about American laws and standards.

    They are not qualified at all, most of them have a degrees and certifications from private Shiv Nadar University in India, which coincidentally is also owned by HCL.

    They tailor they resumes to fit the "official" requirements posted on job sites. Plus most of the jobs posted on the company internal site are not available to US employees, you can see the postings but you can not apply (access).

    They also have training classes to help with advancement but again, those are not accessible to US HCL employees, they are held by the same Shiv Nadar University in India.

    The Indian "managers" hardly speak any English and when they meet with potential client for example like Toyota (last project I worked on) they suddenly have another urgent task or they are stuck in traffic and cant attend and ask the US supervisor to handle the meeting and if they need to be there by client request, they just sit and node agreeing to everything.

    Later when HCL can not deliver what promised or there is an issue due to lack of training ect., the American employee gets canned or re-assigned to another project depending how much they need them.

    There is absolutely NO way to advance in HCL if you are not Indian. Some of my colleagues have many IT certifications and diplomas and know much more then their managers plus have plenty experience. But with today's economy its hard to quit $20/hrs job even if you know you are worth much more and your manager have no idea what you are doing.

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2014, at 12:07 PM, ugo wrote:

    H1b's are the tip. Last year around 8000,000 total temp work visas were issued, knowing they would not be kept track of or employers report the status of. Think they all quit and went home when they expired. There is right now a push in the house to allow even more. I bet there are as many illegals here that came here legally as illegally. Fences and deportations make good political fodder, but that's about it. Business lobbies love immigrants because they drive down wages and labor costs.Pol;iticians love business lobbies money because they are politicians. We are being duped.

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2014, at 12:08 PM, ugo wrote:

    oops, that should be 800,000.

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2014, at 12:59 PM, Citizenx911 wrote:

    All the while the only salaries that have gone up are the CEOs which is on average 335 x the average American worker. Sad very sad and unfair. Legalized bribery and the promise of a high paying Lobbying job after public office. CORRUPTION!

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2014, at 2:18 PM, weitzfc wrote:

    from the right wing point of view , its about lower wages and more profit for the top. from the leftist , point of view , its about pure racism and power . they want to dilute the power of the white majority.

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2014, at 2:20 PM, ImJustABill wrote:

    The argument has been made (e.g. Balpasu1) that the US is a melting pot and immigrants have contributed greatly to the success of companies like Yahoo, Google, etc - and thus have benefitted the U.S. The tech immigrants benefit the U.S. by helping the U.S. continue to have the strongest high-tech industry in the world.

    I might buy that argument if we were talking about immigrants in the traditional sense - those who are on a track to forfeit their original citizenship and become U.S. citizens. Immigrants to the U.S. who become PERMANENT U.S. citizens.

    But that's not what we are talking about here. We are talking about TEMPORARY workers. I don't see any way that the temporary workers benefit the U.S. They drive down wages in the U.S. (obvious to anyone who is knowlegeable and honest) but more importantly the TEMPORARY workers leave the U.S. with a great deal of expertise - and possibly even intellectual property - that they can then use in their native countries to compete with the U.S.

    It does not benefit the U.S. to train the rest of the world to reach our level of technical and industrial expertise in high-tech but that is what the temporary work programs will end up doing.

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2014, at 3:01 PM, Nutella wrote:

    Companies ruined or almost ruined by imported Indian labor (US)

    Found this in a business fourm:

    Adaptec - Indian CEO Subramanian Sundaresh fired.

    AIG (signed outsourcing deal in 2007 in Europe with Accenture Indian frauds, collapsed in 2009)

    AirBus (Qantas plane plunged 650 feet injuring passengers when its computer system written by India disengaged the auto-pilot).

    Apple - R&D CLOSED in India in 2006.

    Australia's National Australia Bank (Outsourced jobs to India in 2007, nationwide ATM and account failure in late 2010).

    Bell Labs (Arun Netravalli took over, closed, turned into a shopping mall)

    Boeing Dreamliner ES software (written by HCL, banned by FAA)

    Bristol-Myers-Squibb (Trade Secrets and documents stolen in U.S. by Indian national guest worker)

    Caymas - Startup run by Indian CEO, French director of dev, Chinese tech lead. Closed after 5 years of sucking VC out of America.

    Caterpillar misses earnings a mere 4 months after outsourcing to India, Inc.

    Circuit City - Outsourced all IT to Indian-run IBM and went bankrupt shortly thereafter.

    ComAir crew system run by 100% Indian IT workers caused the 12/25/05 U.S. airport shutdown when they used a short int instead of a long int

    Deloitte - 2010 - this Indian-packed consulting company is being sued under RICO fraud charges by Marin Country, California for a failed solution.

    Dell - call center (closed in India)

    Delta call centers (closed in India)

    Fannie Mae - Hired large numbers of Indians, had to be bailed out. Indian logic bomb creator found guilty.

    GM - Was booming in 2006, signed $300 million outsourcing deal with Wipro that same year, went bankrupt 3 years later

    HSBC ATMs (software taken over by Indians, failed in 2006)

    Intel Whitefield processor project (cancelled, Indian staff canned)

    Lehman (Spectramind software bought by Wipro, ruined, trashed by Indian programmers)

    Medicare - Defrauded by Indian national doctor Arun Sharma & wife in the U.S.

    Microsoft - Employs over 35,000 H-1Bs. Stock used to be $100. Today it's lucky to be over $25. Not to mention that Vista thing.

    MIT Media Lab Asia (canceled)

    PeopleSoft (Taken over by Indians in 2000, collapsed).

    PepsiCo - Slides from #1 to #3 during Indian CEO Indra Nooyi' watch.

    Polycom - Former senior executive Sunil Bhalla charged with insider trading.

    Qantas - See AirBus above

    Quark (Alukah Kamar CEO, fired, lost 60% of its customers to Adobe because Indian-written QuarkExpress 6 was a failure)

    Rolls Royce (Sent aircraft engine work to India in 2006, engines delayed for Boeing 787, and failed on at least 2 Quantas planes in 2010, cost Rolls $500m).

    SAP - Same as Deloitte above in 2010.

    Skype (Madhu Yarlagadda fired)

    State of Indiana $867 million FAILED IBM project, IBM being sued

    State of Texas failed IBM project.

    Sun Micro (Taken over by Indian and Chinese workers in 2001, collapsed, had to be sold off to Oracle).

    UK's NHS outsourced numerous jobs including health records to India in mid-2000 resulting in $26 billion over budget.

    Union Bank of California - Cancelled Finacle project run by India's InfoSys in 2011.

    United - call center (closed in India)

    Victorian Order of Nurses, Canada (Payroll system screwed up by SAP/IBM in mid-2011)

    Virgin Atlantic (software written in India caused cloud IT failure)

    World Bank (Indian fraudsters BANNED for 3 years because they stole data).

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2014, at 3:02 PM, Nutella wrote:

    India: Quietly Destroying the U.S. Economy

    January 26, 2014 Benjamin Clement

    Signs of our economic decline are everywhere. From closed-down manufacturing plants to high unemployment numbers, it is no secret there is something very wrong going on in our country. One of the primary culprits behind our economic crisis? “Free trade.” It is our unfair “free trade” agreements with other countries such as India that have led to our current crisis. India’s predatory trading practices are resulting in the off-shoring and outsourcing of U.S. jobs through the use of visas, and the U.S. is facing an alarming decline in high-paying, professional jobs here at home.

    For much of India’s history they were one of the richest countries in the world. However, as they were colonized during the late eighteenth and early nineteenth centuries, that wealth dissipated to be replaced with crushing poverty. The British Empire’s implementation of “free trade” into India’s economy did nothing to combat the poverty; in fact, it fueled it.

    As J.R. Martin explains in his book, Selling U.S. Out, “during the span in which colonization and the implementation of ‘free trade’ occurred, India was transformed from an exporter of processed goods to an exporter of raw materials and an importer of manufactured goods”—just like what is happening with the “free trade” agreements between the United States and China.

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2014, at 6:34 PM, Citizenx911 wrote:

    We allowed our democracy to be forcefully bought out to the highest bidder as well as allowed us to be put in the debt of the Federal Reserve Banks that own us.

    Own the debt and own the government.

    Our government is so trashed.

  • Report this Comment On April 21, 2014, at 9:58 PM, sdfdfdf wrote:

    I'm citizen working in company with many US H-1B, THEY ARE ALL SCUMBAGS, they are all SPITEFUL and JEALOUS from Americans and they HATE us .. no skills, no teamwork, no ethics .. VERY BAD PEOPLE .. GET OUT OF USA EDIOTS

  • Report this Comment On April 22, 2014, at 1:33 AM, hireAmerican wrote:

    This problem is not new. I worked for one of the biggest names in high-tech over a decade ago (under President Bush), and saw the internal notices posted to justify the company's request for H1-B workers. I knew for a fact that qualified candidates existed in the US, but were never recruited or considered.

    More recently, I was in a hiring role at another, more mid-sized tech company - and was pressured to recruit and hire foreign workers. The company was even willing pay a premium to bring their families to the US - even though the employees had no truly-unique skills. They simply had skills for which the company didn't want to pay American salaries. By importing workers from Asia, the company gets away with paying $60K for what would be a $100K+ job.

    Both of these are publicly-traded, American owned-and-operated companies... with large American customer bases.

    H1B's are a huge racket which is responsible for outrageous long-term unemployment in American tech companies - and both Republican and Democratic administrations condone it.

  • Report this Comment On April 22, 2014, at 5:21 AM, cricket23 wrote:

    When you vote in November 2014,remember a new Broom sweeps clean.

  • Report this Comment On April 22, 2014, at 2:17 PM, fooltax wrote:

    You fools perhaps don't know H1 is a BIG source of revenue for USCIS. If they eliminate/reduce the numbers, how they are going to make up for the lost revenue?? Reg. tax, there is no difference between H1 holder and a citizen. And as most of them don't own any house (which is a big way of saving tax), the salary, if same, they pay more taxes to US govt. than you morons.

  • Report this Comment On April 28, 2014, at 7:07 AM, Citizenx911 wrote:

    @mperiod

    You sound just like an anti-union advocate that says how corrupt unions are but turn a blind eye to corruption of U.S.businesses buying and using the Congress to tilt the table to make more profit by cheating Americans out of their right to work. You speak with Forked tongue.

    No, having low wages does not qualify foreigners to enter this country and STEAL American jobs.

  • Report this Comment On May 06, 2014, at 7:57 PM, ryansmith2474 wrote:
  • Report this Comment On May 11, 2014, at 10:20 PM, MiddleClassGloom wrote:

    To USA Alejandro Mayorkas, Deputy Secretary of Homeland Security:

    - For every H1B foreign worker in IT, there are about 5-7 more workers abroad that are supporting on behalf of American Corporation.

    - These 500,000 H1B visas representing 20% of IT workers could easily amount to 2.5 million IT jobs loss.

    - This contributes to the US loosing its middle class, and helps create middle class in India.

    - Until USA invents another new industry, we simply cannot afford to auction all our jobs to the rest of the world.

    - No other countries in the world has as gullible policy as ours.

  • Report this Comment On May 18, 2014, at 3:25 PM, Chobaniyogurt wrote:

    This is outrageous! How in the heck, does President Obama and his Administration justify this??? Talk about counterintuitive? I thought President Obama's job was to "put Americans back to work?" o_O

  • Report this Comment On September 04, 2014, at 2:21 AM, GirlEngineer1 wrote:

    We need to send these guys back to India and China.

    I work for a Fortune 20 company that is bringing H1Bs in by the planeloads and laying off American workers, especially those over 40.

    I spoke up and now I am spending most of my days sitting outside in the company courtyard because the H1Bs are spraying me with chemical spray (presumably tear gas) every chance they get. I have gone back to my cubicle and it reeks of insecticide that has presumably been sprayed to harass me. HR will do nothing because they want to avoid being labeled as racist.

    Let's not forget some of these countries that source H1Bs have "values" where female babies are killed (China one child policy) and rape of American tourists (India) is common.

    This is how they treat American females - no respect and threatening behavior. This is my reality. Do you want this to be your daughters reality? If the answer is no then put a stop to the H1B program.

  • Report this Comment On October 16, 2014, at 8:16 PM, soultana wrote:

    IS NOT ONLY THE MAJOR CORPORATIONS WHO

    ARE DESTROYING AMERICANS, IS ALSO OUR GOVERNMENT! CREATE YOUR OWN JOB AND DON'T DEPEND ON AMERICAN CORPORATIONS. SOON OR LATER THERE WILL BE NO JOBS! REMEMBER THEY MADE EVERYTHING GLOBAL NOW. LAST WEEK I CALLED AT&T, INDIANS ANSWER MY CALL. FEW DAYS LATER INDIANS CALLING ME PRETENDING THEY ARE CALLING FROM A BANK. THEY WANTED ME TO PAY OFF MY CREDIT CARD AND DEMANDED MONEY IMMEDIATELY! I DON'T OWN A CREDIT CARD. MY INFORMATION FROM AT&T FOREIGN PERSONAL WAS STOLEN. THANK YOU AT&T YOU ARE A SCAM TOO!

    TODAY I CALLED EXPERIAN TO GET A FREE CREDIT REPORT. I HAVE A BAD CREDIT AND I HAVE NO WORK. THIS TIME A PHILIPINO GIRL ANSWER THE PHONE. WHEN I ASK FOR A FREE CREDIT REPORT FORM, SHE NEEDED ALL MY INFORMATION TO FIND ME.THEN SHE COULD NOT FIND NOTHING. THEN SHE TOLD ME WE DON'T ALLOW TO GET INTO TO YOUR INFORMATION, THOUGH SHE JUST GOT IT FROM ME! TO DAY I WAS SHOCKED! I CALLED MEDICARE. GUESS WHAT, ANOTHER PHILIPINO GIRL ANSWER THE PHONE, AND SHE KNOW MORE ABOUT ME THEN I WHAT I KNOW FOR MY SELF! YES MEDICARE.GOV. HIRED PHILIPINOS AND NOT ME THE USA CITIZEN WHO ALL MY FAMILY HAD SERVED THIS COUNTRY. THE BAD CREDIT REPORT AND THE CREDIT CARDS ARE THE 666 SATAN.

    DON'T DEAL WITH HIM! SHUT HIM OFF YOUR LIVES. DO WITH OUT PLASTIC MONEY AND LEARN A TRAIT TO CREATE YOUR OWN JOB.

  • Report this Comment On October 30, 2014, at 12:50 PM, tgpsillas wrote:

    I have worked only 3 months out of the last 22 months, due to H1B workers getting my gigs, due to lower price.

    They want to pay me $25 per hour, when I made $50 per hour 20 years ago.

    People in Georgia and CT are losing their homes over this BS.

    In Georgia, one in five people got evicted from their rentals this year. That is a crime. People cannot afford to rent, let alone own a home any more, due to stupid corporate welfare, Enough is enough.

    It will most likely take terrorism in this country to stop this crime.

    They should force companies who want H1B to pay $120 per hour minimum to H1B workers, plus $50 per hour fee to the state they work in, if there is such a severe shortage.

    I bet you if we did that the shortage would magically disappear.

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