The .22 Ammo Shortage Mystery -- Solved!

Wait? You mean this is all the ammo I get?! Photo: Wikimedia Commons.

Earlier this year, CBS News spotlighted a growing shortage of .22-caliber ammunition. "One of the most popular and common" -- and cheapest -- calibers of ammo for hunters and target shooters alike, CBS reports that .22 shells are in short supply these days. Interviewing one supplier, CBS reported that while as recently as two years ago it was still possible to buy .22-caliber ammunition "by the pallet-load... now they're putting restrictions on how much you can get and how you get that ammo."

Retailers are shooting blanks
This is a problem from ammunition retailers -- and for gun owners as well. Statistically speaking, 24%-45% of Americans own guns either for self-defense or sporting purposes. But getting the ammo to load into those guns is becoming a bit of a trick.

Over the past five years, .22 ammo is said to have more than tripled in price. Historically, .22 ammo was obtainable for about $0.05 a round. And yes, some retailers are still advertising it for that price. Dicks Sporting Goods Inc (NYSE: DKS  ) , for example, has two varieties of .22LR advertised for sale at roughly $0.05 per shell. But Wal-Mart Stores, (NYSE: WMT  ) -- long the go-to spot for impulse purchases of ammo -- instituted a policy early last year limiting customers to buying no more than three boxes of ammo per person, per day. So getting in on Dick's deal may not be as easy as it sounds ....

Just $24.99 for a block of 525? It's a bargain! Source: Dick's Sporting Goods..

Meanwhile, online, bargain-basement website gun-deals.com shows that the more usual price for 22 ammo today is $0.08 a round -- or even $0.10, $0.11, or $0.12! For that matter, even the $0.12-a-round price may be an illusion. Popular online guns 'n' ammo website AIM Surplus advertises four varieties of .22LR rifle ammunition for sale at the $0.12 price point, for example -- and is all sold out.

Who's to blame?
Similar stories can be heard from owners of guns of all shapes and sizes -- not just .22s. To cite just one example, after skyrocketing in price through the end of 2013, Brown Bear 7.62x39mm rifle rounds (standard for an AK-47) are now entirely unavailable on AIM Surplus. All you can get today is cheap Russian Wolf-brand ammo ... that costs a staggering $230 for a box of 1000 rounds.

Why is this?

National Shooting Sports Foundation, or NSSF, public affairs director Mike Bazinet notes that "there are a lot of wild stories" about the ammunition shortage, with some people even blaming the U.S. government for "buying up all the ammo." But according to Bazinet, that's simply not the case. In fact, "government purchases have gone down over last three years."

He may be right. Earlier this year, the National Rifle Association, or NRA, helped to debunk the "government conspiracy" thesis for America's .22 ammo shortage. Laying out the facts and figures in a multi-page spread in American Rifleman, the "official journal of the NRA," the NRA described how:

  • The dollar value of ammunition sales in America doubled between 2007 and 2012. Highlighting the obvious, the NRA noted that sales really "started to climb fast as gun sales began surging" in the run-up to the 2008 Presidential election.
  • ATK (NYSE: ATK  ) subsidiary Federal Cartridge Company attributes ammo shortages to "high demand for our products," and said flat out that the biggest increases in ammunition purchases are coming from "the civilian market." (This means you).
  • Olin Corp's (NYSE: OLN  ) Winchester Ammunition agrees it is "that experiencing an extremely high demand."
  • And privately held Freedom Group, which manufactures Remington cartridges, says "it's clear to us that any lack of supply in the marketplace has been from consumer demand."

And then there was the interview with privately held Hornady Manufacturing. There, President Steve Hornady explained to the NRA, "People walk into the store, they don't see as much as they want so they take everything they can get. The next guy who comes in can't get anything, so he panics." 

Panic and prudent price-comparison habits rarely go hand-in-hand, of course. This naturally results in higher prices for ammunition.

Time for some good news
Now that we know the origin of the .22 ammo shortage, it's time for some good news. Recent earnings reports at both Smith & Wesson (NASDAQ: SWHC  ) and Sturm, Ruger (NYSE: RGR  ) show a marked deceleration in demand for guns, with sales falling nearly 5% year over year at S&W, and down more than 14% at Ruger.

Earlier this year, Cabela's (NYSE: CAB  ) CEO Thomas Millner noted that he's seen a "significant deceleration in ammunition sales" at his stores. And website thecabin.net goes so far as to say the ammunition shortage "may be ending," as manufacturers crank up production, wholesalers restock, and supplies begin filtering down to the retail level. With any luck, this will eventually result in fully stocked shelves at gun stores, assuaging consumers' panic-fueled urge to hoard ammunition -- and putting the .22 ammo shortage to bed once and for all.

Or ... well ... at least until the next Presidential election.

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Any day now, America could be awash in cheap ammo again. Hooray? Photo: Wikimedia Commons.

 

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  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 12:09 PM, plange01 wrote:

    after the most recent MURDER by police in ferguson gun sales are headed back up!

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 12:23 PM, harviele wrote:

    There was no murder by police in Ferguson,MO. But there have been actual black on black murders around the country since then. In places where the police force is less aggressive, the crime rate skyrockets and the murder rate increases. I could never be a police officer in one of these places. If you enforce the law, you are being racist and guilty of harassing the people. If you don't enforce the law then you are seen as useless and not doing enough to fight crime. It is a no win situation.

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 12:29 PM, andyS1937 wrote:

    a 22 is a deadly round. If hit it tumbles and tears you up

    They are (were) cheap and you can carry many because they are small and light

    a larger caliber would pass right through you when hit

    Besides a civil war is coming again in our beloved country and people are loading up with weapons and ammo

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 12:39 PM, 1986rolls wrote:

    Many ordinary citizens like myself are gun owners. I personally have not fired a weapon in 10 years yet I have been purchasing Ammunition regularly until I have 1000 rounds each for my 22, 12 gauge, and 303. Why you might ask? Distrust of Government would rank first, Threat of rioting among Minority groups second, Terrorism third.

    I don't expect to ever need my weapons but they will be available should the need arise. Be prepared. Why does homeland security need 500 million rounds? No good reason I can think of.

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 12:39 PM, TheAncient wrote:

    The .22 shortage may be ending but not anytime soon. A couple of months ago I was talking to a dealer who claimed CCI was producing 4 million .22LR rounds a day, 7 days a week. CCI is just one of a number of .22 ammo makers. No, to the government conspiracy and yes, to consumer hoarding. Some guy walked into the closest Cabela's to me on the day they received new stock and bought the entire .22 inventory. I'll bet he's selling that ammo on Backpage at triple what he paid for it.

    andyS1937 - simply not true about large caliber rounds making through and through wounds. Not all do, the heavy and slow ones most likely will not, like the .45 ACP or .45 Colt

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 12:44 PM, comosichiam wrote:

    Why is it that every time there is a white on black incident all hell breaks loose but when they kill each other you don't hear a word funny don't you think?

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 12:47 PM, phillipzx3 wrote:

    "Why you might ask? Distrust of Government would rank first,"

    Same here. I'm stocking up on rounds for my AR-15 so I can take on our military when Obama sends them in to take away our guns.

    :-)

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 12:51 PM, ragnarok1776 wrote:

    This pretty well confirms what I have thought all along. Panic buying will wipe out the supplies of anything, whether it is guns and ammo when they are talking gun control or food and water when an oncoming storm is announced. People (at least the first in line) purchase way more than they could ever use, emptying shelves and once everybody knows there is a "shortage" it really gets crazy.

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 12:52 PM, comosichiam wrote:

    Ancient you are assuming something that was not said this particular black has a rap sheet and had confrontations before this time he got whacked one less gangsta wannabe the same goes for all thugs white brown or yellow do the crime do the time case closed oh by the way the only thing I ever took was a sucker when I was 6 so sport everybody isn't a thief or gangster pick your posts better sport your bias is showing.

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 1:07 PM, velodad wrote:

    Jefferson knew this day might come when the king would step on thepeople's neck again wekk these people just might shoot back like our forefathers did back in the in the late 1700's. isis is dead set on converting us ti Islam or killing us -off! Not this guy normy family, thank you very much!(I stocked up on ammo years ago.

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 1:12 PM, carolinasnowdog wrote:

    I noticed only Remington and Winchester .22 rounds pictured in the accompanying photos. Both of those brands can contribute to bore fouling if a lot of rounds are fired. Haven't seen a box of CCI, the cleanest burning .22 rounds, in over 2 years. The truly ironic thing about this article, and its import? For all his efforts to abrogate, abridge, or outright abolish the 2nd Amendment, THE NAKED EMPEROR's only lasting legacy in this arena, will have been to have fueled the largest, and most sustained, increase in business for the firearms' industry in history!

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 1:15 PM, CALNNC wrote:

    The number one thing that would have mitigated this problem, is if suppliers limited the amount of an individual could purchase at one time. I've seen the whole lot of ammo that arrives at Walmart be bought in just a few moments by a few people.

    People like to comment about how safe air travel is by comparing the number of passengers flown and miles traveled, versus deaths. Out of the millions of rounds fired by US citizens every year, all but a few end up in a dirt bank somewhere.

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 1:19 PM, dgrubb67526 wrote:

    The reason for 22's being hard to find? People like me. In hard times the best round to have. The most common caliber in the world. The most guns in the world ARE in that caliber. The least loud. Easily muffled. Due to the above the best Barter item to have next to water and seeds in a long term emergence. Five rounds a day, 365 days a year, 10 years. Plus barter. Plus storage at multiples locations (eggs not in one basket). Add to this possible availability in future if ammo control becomes an issue. Also it is not an item to which will be resold. Put in todays market terms. The new gold.

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 1:20 PM, JWCamp wrote:

    1) There is no ammo "shortage." There's plenty of ammo in existence, and there has been. The issue is that reactionary, uninformed idiots were buying it as fast as it hit the shelves. There was an unfounded paranoia over bans on guns and ammo. 2) The reason ammo became so expensive is that the suppliers, retailers and manufacturers started price gouging because of reactionary, uninformed idiots (see #1 above).

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 1:20 PM, Rockyvnvmc wrote:

    “If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy”. ~

    James Madison (Father of the Constitution and third US President)

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 1:21 PM, Krag wrote:

    You people waiting for the government to come and take your guns prove how ignorant you are. The government does not have to take your guns to control you. In a matter of minutes that can sit at a computer and wipe you out. No bank account,no credit,no home,no job without firing a shot. And you really think your hand full of ammo is going to stop them? You can be an ash cloud in a second. Again ,they do not even have to leave the office. They can push a button in Kansas and destroy you in Maine. The only person you are fooling is yourself.

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 1:22 PM, medic00 wrote:

    The real issue starts w/GUN CONTROL ! The Democrats want socialism and control over American civil liberties across the nation. As myself, I too believe in ammunition stock piling to a certain degree. The gov't tried at one time to stop the sale of certain calibers (30 cal.,40 cal.,45 cal.,9mm,223,etc.---calibers used by law enforcement & military use.), in Texas,especially. With the terrorists &, ISSI,ISSL most recent threats to America the civilian ability to be prepared is a must to help secure the USA. Especially since our military number strength has been cut to its lowest in many years by this Socialist Democratic Marxist Party in office.

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 1:31 PM, Dilligaf wrote:

    Excuse me, but this sentence leaves a lot to be desired.

    "......as manufacturers crank up production, wholesalers restock, and supplies begin filtering down to the retail level."

    The supplies have reached the retail level, they have been all along. There are two major factors at play here.

    1). People weren't prepared, they only had small amounts of ammo on hand thinking that they would always be able to stop somewhere along the way to the range or hunting camp to buy whatever ammo they think they'll need immediately. When the political climate looked like it might take a turn toward outlawing certain things, (Notice I said "looked like" and "might"), some people panicked and bought whatever they could afford, whether they needed it or not. It wasn't long until dad and junior went to the range for some safety instruction and practice, stopping along the way to find that the people who were in panic mode left the shelves bare. Dad & Junior go home disappointed and start telling their friends they can't shoot because there's ammo. Now they and their friends join the panic stricken masses and search far and wide to find something to buy, and they don't want to have to do it again the next time they want to go out so they buy as much as is available or as much as they can afford, thus passing the problem along to the next poor father & son who find that they weren't prepared and can't spend an afternoon at the range.

    Lather, rinse, repeat.

    It didn't take very long for word of the shortage to spread, then ordinary people turned into hoarders OR they were desperate enough to pay a higher price to a "friend of a friend" who happens to have some extra ammo. When these "friends of friends" found out how much profit they could make they started selling their supply for inflated prices and restocking as soon as they could find more, it became a lucrative off the books business to hunt for ammo, buy it at regular price and sell it for a large profit. The shelves stayed bare because these "scalpers" learned where and when to find ammo. Now everyobody and their brother is buying as much as they can IF they ever find any. As people start getting comfortable with the amount they have they are starting to slow down on their spending. The "scalpers" still have hoards of it but it isn't selling as fast nor for as much profit as it was in the midst of the panic. As the scalpers realize that the business isn't as lucrative as it once was and they find themselves with more than they can peddle, they aren't clearing the shelves and the casual shooter is again beginning to find ammo here & there occasionally. The retailers saw what was happening and realized they could raise their prices and still undersell the "scalpers", and when supplies stay on the shelf long enough for dad & Junior to find it on an 'as needed' basis, they'll also be paying the higher prices that the retailers found they could charge.

    For what it's worth, I had enough .22 ammo before this madness started so I didn't get caught up on either side of it, I just sat back and watched. I did however give some to a few people who wanted to take their children out for a day at the range. I haven't had to buy any for many years and it looks like I'll not have to buy any for quite some time in the future. (I bought when I had some extra money10 - 20 years ago realizing that when I retire I may not have as much cash on hand for life's little pleasures so I took care of myself before any of this started, and I'm really glad I did. I may never need to buy .22 ammo again, (this stuff doesn't spoil like meat and vegetables, you can put it on a shelf and forget about for years. It doesn't eat or drink anything and it's easy to clean up after).

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 1:38 PM, foxtrapper wrote:

    Remington and the rest of the ammo manufacturers are producing more than they ever did, even adding new lines and producing 24/7..The hoarders are responsible for the 22 cal. shortage..I've personally seen 6 members of the same family in line buying 22 ammo for 19..99 a brick of rem 525 and then they sell it online for as much as 150.00..These type of people should be beat. I can still buy it if i need it for 26.00 a brick for win.555. Can remember growing up a box of 50 rds. would last a couple of years. Also a box of a 1,000 rds. was only 7.00 at hecks...lol Also one more thing to add, walmart employees are selling ammo to family and friends and they themselves are taking it..I have heard employees trying to sell their hoard to people, so its true..Just quit buying 22 ammo it will appear on shelves and the price will come down.

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 1:39 PM, laethyn wrote:

    "Impulse purchase of ammo"

    Well .. thank you for pointing out the problem with America and the gun culture surrounding this nation. That there's even "a thing" wherein people purchase ammo impulsively is ridiculously disturbing.

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 1:40 PM, leadinspector wrote:

    Fortunately black on black crime has been declining in the us, now drug dealer on deal dealer crime is still up f.y.i every black person is not a drug dealer.

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 1:40 PM, adele0283 wrote:

    I keep hearing of this ammo shortage. I order online from Cabela by the brick and never have any problem. I can blow 500 rounds off in a day just practicing a couple hours so I need a lot of ammo. Those who stockpile without practicing are doing themselves no good. You got to be able to HIT your target. If you never practice, don't expect the GUN to do it for you.

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 1:44 PM, KitCarson wrote:

    Part of it is demand, but most of it is simple greed. Locally we have not been able to purchase .22 ammo for over two years at stores such as Walmart, because those with the inside knowledge and devious methods know exactly when it arrives and it is gone instantly and you can find the ammo with a Walmart sticker on the box for sale at five times the price at a local gun show.

    I saw the owner of CCI make a statement of fact that they are making more ammo, if they are it is not on the public normal market, but you can find all you want by the truckload on gouge sites like (that may be against the rules) Good CCI mini mags are as much as 100 bucks plus per 500 rounds and you can buy all you want, fresh and new, so somewhere ammo is directly going to these folks.

    Gun shops deny they have ammo, but if you buy a gun they will sell you some. Yep.

    I can get ammo at Palmetto Armory as much as I want, but it will not be top grade ammo such as CCI mini mag, and even they told me it has been a long time since we have seen that. Once again you can buy all you want from the high priced gougers off ammo for sale sites.

    A new market has been created, one of greed where a situation was taken advantage of and now all prices are up and good ammo is controlled by .......how? Sure is not for sale to us ordinary citizens unless we want to pay inflated prices. But for sure it is available if you want to pay the extreme price for it.

    Not sure what is going on but the evidence is proof of simple observation of fact. Somewhere ammo is being channeled to these sites that inflate the prices.

    I can go right now and buy as much as I want, just will not be top quality, at a reasonable price if you call it that, all prices have went up ,such as lesser CCI and federal are readily available for around 40 bucks for 500 rounds, better ammo I have seen it on gouge sites for as much as 150 bucks for 500 rounds, and it is selling too.

    Tis not the government, it is a new market, using a situation of more demand to inflate the price, now that they have it up there, it is what it is.

    A lot of us use .22 as it is economical and fun to shoot. Not many of us wish to toss 200 bucks downrange and shoot very little, so the .22 has become very popular. Those who sell it know this, and they are less than honest in their methods of doing business.

    Kit

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 1:52 PM, Gunner60 wrote:

    BS...almost got it right....WHAT REALLY caused this shortage started right before 2012...DEC 21. I noticed that I was buying lots and then noticed that as I got closer to Dec 21 2012 every major ammo supplier started running out of the cheap ammo first.....the boxes 0f 500 went first...then panic...everyone started buying the single boxes of 50 and paying 100% more per box.....so every fking dealer noticed and the dealers are FKING everyone....it's not the suppliers....a class action lawsuit should be filed by the NRA end of discussion.

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 1:53 PM, HectorLemans wrote:

    Reading the above comments is both horrifying and entertaining.

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 2:07 PM, Balmy wrote:

    The Ancient,

    Yep, I stole a candy bar when I was seven and was caught by the store owner who was very good friends with my parents. Never again!!! Now with that being said, Little Michael Brown was 18 years old, an adult, not a youngster. He was physically assaulting the store owner while stealing from him. He was a physically intimidating thug that is one of many that believed with the pretend to be black president was entitled to what he could take as was the case with the looters and thieves in the protests. I would like to see the juvenile rap sheet on little Michael Brown but of course that will never be released in all probability. The sooner we understand the politics of these things, the sooner we will wake up and change the politicos that we foolishly elected and even more foolishly re-elected.

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 2:14 PM, Historyshowsus wrote:

    What a stupid article. For the Motley Fool I expect a certain amount of this type of journalism. For Yahoo to pick it up is not only expected but almost required.

    At no time since 2007 have I heard that there has been an inordinate amount of radical conspiracy theorists making this all about the government.

    As is typical of left wing news orgs they LOVE to make this all about the "looney" right wing when if they had even a clue about conservatives they would know that generally NOBODY understands "supply and demand" better than the right. It's only the left that doesnt understand basic economic principles and why there is a shortage or increased prices. He!!, they think increased minimum wage will have no effect on consumer costs. Give me a break!!

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 2:14 PM, delta8zulu wrote:

    Right! ATK tells us what they want us to hear. ATK OWNS Federal Ammo - runs the military's last ammunition plant (at Lake City) and OWNS CCI. Yes CCI alone can manufacture 4 millions rounds of .22 per day - check out their official .22 manufacturing video on U-Tube. Between CCI and Federal that's over 5 million rounds per day just from ATK. This is NOT making it to retail outlets except in a very small amout. Yes it sells out quickly but the shipments are not as large as they used to be and big (read - BIG) online outlets such as Natchez are not receiving a fraction of what they used to receive. Imported .22 ammo is also going missing as the import is being restricted - that's directly from an BATF officer that thinks this is funny and takes pride in the jamming of the American Shooter any way the BATF can do so. At this point there are more then 6 BILLION roiunds of .22 missing from the market since this started about 2 years ago. As for demand and the sale of new rifles and pistols - Okay - at the several ranges I frequent (including the NRA Hqs Range to which I am an annual member) I observe that of all these new firearms - and there are many - the vast majority are AR type platform and pistols in 9mm, .45ACP, .40S&W, etc. The .22 is not even in the running these days. Yes those that can get some .22 are hoarding ammo. But in truth it is just not there in the numbers it was before and this drives such behavior. Figure that with the closing of the LAST lead smelting plant in the USA and the demand for lead in pricier ammunition and oine sees ONE element of the problem - but industry can import spools of lead wire for this use - but are they? Reprocessing/recycling lead requires smelting so now our lead is being sold overseas and not coming back to us for any use. Not even to make vehicle batteries in the USA. NO - ATK is not being up front - BATF is blocking imports and the NRA is playing ball. The only good news is that 5.56X45mm, 9mm, and such are coming down in price. They use lead too but the larger calibers bring better profits - a Board of Directors decision for profit and figure that the lead redirected from the .22 production line is feeding the manufacture of the ammo that IS growing in demand. Our civil population is arming up in those bigger calibers and all ammunition producers are slighting the humble .22 to feed our current monster demand for larger calibers in a world where lead is becoming a rare metal due to the environmentalist driven EPA demands that lead production cease in the USA. Blame who you wish but don't sit still for ATK or NRA's explanation. They make this the consumer's fault - it's not - any business person knows that DEMAND = PROFIT and the normal response is to meet the demand and harvest the profit. If this is not being done there are other issues involved. And yes this is a ballot box issue if WE bring it to that. Vote for less government (less EPA) and a workable solution that alows lead production so we can get back to plinking, engaging in shooting sports and enjoying a family activity that promotes responsibility and attention to detail - something that can only help. ONE NOTE - IF we do not want our kids of school age learning to shoot AR15 type firearms - which is scary to the population at large - we are goofing up. With the lack of .22 in the market place I observe a huge number of kids (with their parents) learning to shoot centerfire rifles and pistols (5.56 and 9mm) mostly because - why not(?) that is the ammo we can get.

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 2:15 PM, speed006 wrote:

    This article is complete BS, as is MOST of the comments.

    The ammo isn't making it TO the retail stores! You want .22LR? Go to a gun show. They have PALLET LOADS OF IT...@3x retail prices of course.

    Whomever wrote this article should spend some time trying to find .22LR in retail stores. And then go to a gun show.

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 2:15 PM, Joephysics wrote:

    This shortage is the result of the perfect storm.

    First - the political environment has led many Americans to fear the revocation of their second amendment rights. Personally I have seen many interviews of left leaning politicians who advocate reinterpretation of the second amendment. One big city liberal congress woman wanted to tax ammo at $100/round. No ban needed at all. Remember that Obamacare was upheld by the supreme court as legit because is considered a tax. Americans have seen significant change in the culture to extent that they now see this is possible in the near future. After all it was just a short time ago when gays were unable to marry. The political reality is that things change and sometimes fast.

    Second - people have purchased a huge amount of fire arms recently. Yes the stock prices reflect this fact as well as the ammo shortages. Why so many guns??? Two main reasons Hollywood and video games. Americans love movies and TV shows with firearms/shooting. That tradition goes way back. But as Hollywood stars preach against guns they pump out shows full of gun violence.

    Most all young people have played hours and hours of video games that center on shooting. My sons can tell you about many different types of guns they have shot on those games. Now you can go out and buy civilian versions of most of those same guns (semi-automatic versions of the full automatic weapons). They come in all calibers too. There are many versions of the AR style rifle in 22 long rifle caliber. We are no longer shooting guns that are single shot, bolt action - the new guns shoot 25 22 LR rounds within a minute or two. With tens of thousands of new gun shooters out there the amount of ammo being consumed is amazing.

    Sure there are the hoarders out there who don't trust the government and stockpile the 22 LR to the tune of 100,000 rounds because it would be gold if the political situation continues to decay in America.

    There is no evidence that the government is buying up more than the usual amount - unless you like to listen to the conspiracy slingers.

    At least gun prices have returned to a reasonable level. I just saw an ad for an AR 15 for $499 at Field and Stream (a new division of Dicks Sporting Goods). That gun went for about twice that amount two and a half years ago when there was a big shortage. I suspect that ammo will slowly become more available as production gears up and some of those new gun owners move on to different hobbies and shoot less often. Large calibers have become available but at a higher price than it was before the shortage.

    I have 5 gun shops within a 15 minute drive from my home now. Five years ago there were only 2.

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 2:26 PM, wdcraftr1 wrote:

    People used to buy to hoard. Most now have what they need, but Now, with all the training sites, and at home training materials, we are shooting more than we used to, for training, rather than just plinking. An AR in .22 goes through a lot quickly.. And, of course the .22 is a cheap training round, and many of us can only afford the 5-10 cent rounds to train with. We still need ammo to train with. Maybe not 2 billion rounds of hollow points like the Govt, but some..

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 2:29 PM, MrRand wrote:

    Been buying ammo since the collapse. I was concerned that government would not make the needed fiscal changes to avoid a currency crisis, dollar collapse, or another economic collapse. So far, nearly 6 years later, my concerns have been validated. I have enough food for 6 months. I am in the process of converting my dollars into physical precious metals and land. I see an economic and ensuing social storm coming. I'm hoping for the best, but preparing for the worst. You should as well.

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 2:31 PM, redlegagent wrote:

    This is no - nor has there ever been - a "shortage" of ammo. There has always been tons of .22lr out there - it's just folks can't get what they "want". As noted - the producers have been churning it out faster than ever. The "problem" is not in the manufacturing end - rather it's in the DISTRIBUTION end of the equation. We went thru this before in 2009-2010 only not as bad and then the high demand ammo was calibers like .380acp which is only made periodically but gun makers like Ruger had released their LCP as well as other .380 caliber pistols on the market which were then in high demand. Yes some folks have been "hoarding" as they live in fear of the Mayan apocalypse or some other fantasy - but a great many FFL's have been price gouging as well. Look at on-line auction sites and gun shows to see the amount of .22lr for sale at exorbitant prices. What does this mean? It means that FFL's - who can order directly from suppliers as opposed to retail consumers who must buy from FFL's - are selling their ammo for top dollar rather than putting it on the shelf at regular retail prices. One must also keep perspective on "how" this ammo is packaged. While CCI may produce 4 million rounds per day - when it's packaged in 500rd bricks that only works out to 8K per day or about 240K bricks per month. Now look at the millions of gun owners scrambling for ammo and you'll see it does not go very far. It's not the "government" here that's responsible for this - it is us.

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 2:40 PM, lasfl wrote:

    I believe the shortage is caused by consumer panic as well but that doesn't mean the manufacturers haven't decided to keep the supplies low to prolong the shortage panic and hoarding buying behaviors. I just wish that the manufacturers would instead cash in on the wishes of the people to have more supply of ammo. It would mean extra jobs for the communities in which the manufacturers are based.

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 2:48 PM, oldschool1 wrote:

    We have met the enemy and he is us

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 2:50 PM, Realistic56 wrote:

    @ Rockyvnvmc Dude you try to act all patriotic and knowledgeable but you don't even know basic US history. Thomas Jefferson was the 3rd president of the United States, not James Madison. I mean that is something you are supposed to learn in elementary school.

    And another thing to all of you people thinking that the government wants to take your guns to control you. That's so stupid its not even funny. The government does not want your guns. If the government actually wanted to control you then all they would have to do is cut off your access to a constant supply of food and water. Simple people.

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 2:50 PM, shortorlongone wrote:

    The article fails to point to something obvious beyond supply and demand. Profitability.

    Yes, there has been a run on firearms in the last 2 years. It was painfully obvious to see by walking into any store that sells firearms and see the shelves empty (my local store was actually selling shelves!!! No kidding). Those firearms need ammo, hence a shortage.

    But .22lr isn't the only round to see a shortage. There were no .223, .308, 9mm, 45ACP, etc....

    If you were an ammo-manufacturer, what would you want to produce and know wholeheartedly it would sell the minute it hits the retail floor? A round that sells on the shelves for $0.05 each, or $0.50-$1 a piece if your cost was only slightly higher for the larger round?

    As anyone at Walmart, Cabelas, Bass Pro, or any other of the major retailers when .22lr will come in, and they'll give you a dumb look. It's not that Billy is buying the whole pallet when they come in the store. There's no pallet to buy. Where is the supply? Answer, in my opinion, is the manufacturers are putting efforts into higher margin rounds.

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 2:58 PM, scrambled wrote:

    My FOOL username....errrr

    That just about sums up this page. Only in the US would this dumb article complete with idiot commentaries be displayed.

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 2:58 PM, scrambled wrote:

    My FOOL username....errrr

    That just about sums up this page. Only in the US would this dumb article complete with idiot commentaries be displayed.

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 3:22 PM, anrbfan wrote:

    More pro gun talk and paranoid babble, led to more people buying guns...which led to more people buying more ammo...which led to a brief natural shortage...which led to supply & demand raising the prices in the short term...which showed manufacturers the way to more profits. Manufacturers then cut back on production, created longer term artificial shortages, which created long term higher prices, which created longer term higher profits. It is not the government doing anything. It is the idiot gun nuts, themselves, and the gun makers they worship, doing this.

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 3:25 PM, redlegagent wrote:

    Shortorlonggone - if you look at the quarterly reports for manufacturers like Remington you'll see that they are making most of their ammo profit off of centerfire ammo - not rimfire. As such one must conclude that they are not seeing a dramatic rise in price on the wholesale end on what they are selling. The skyrocketing prices are coming on the retail end. Those manufacturers who can have already increased production. What people fail to note is the consolidation which has been going on in the ammo market the past 15 years where big companies bought up smaller ones while some like PMC - who used to sell rimfire ammo - got out of the rimfire business altogether. As such there are less suppliers than there used to be and those that we have are making product lines for others besides their own lines such as CCI. People also forget that ammo is sold worldwide. Just as we buy "imported" ammo such as Wolf, etc. - so US ammo makers send part of their production overseas to their distributors abroad. This reduces the amount available for domestic sales.

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 3:39 PM, LToregon wrote:

    So lets stop buying it up as soon as it hits the shelf.

    If we leave it alone for awhile the price will come down to where it should be.

    Stop shooting ourselves in the foot out of greed.

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 4:01 PM, smedley wrote:

    Its true they can wipe us out with a key stroke, but remember the more we make, the more they can tax us, the more we have to give back to the Fed thru the irs, now also, why would the govt purchase billions of rounds of hollow point ammo and the distribute it to several ssa, social security outlets, why are they stock piling ammo . Look we need to get as much as we can because as mentioned earlier, its coming and our govt, along with other govts created it, none of this is an accident. I have revolver pistils, auto pistils, pump shot guns, auto shot guns and yes a military grade weapon or two so if we want ammo we should be able to get it. They are watching man, believe that. Our economy is on the brink of collapse, created by them, diseases are on the rise, created by them, they couldn't get a budget passed until they started passing more strick gun laws, because they know we as a country and society are smarter than they are and we are not going to take anymore s--t they created it, let them start it, WE THE PEOPLE will finish it.as plato said " if a society does not regulate its political processes and those involved in these processes, they will be governed by the INFERIOR" They are scared of us, as they should be.

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 4:04 PM, disabiledvet wrote:

    has anyone took the time to read and really understand the true meaning of , "THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED?" It is there for a purpose? What purpose? I will not give you my thoughts because it might offend the majority of the public {which I really don,t care if it does or not}. Your own opinion is yours alone. Think about it? has it got anything to do with government controlling ammunition.? Our weapons are our source of freedom here in America. Complete government control starts with disarming the public. You can,t throw rocks at tanks and expect to live in a free nation??? Ammunition shortage is a good step to complete control???? wake up America???

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 4:07 PM, BsBingo wrote:

    "Why does Homeland Security need 500 million rounds? No good reason I can think of." After reading your first paragraph I can totally understand why.

    Because they think exactly the same way you do. According to you, the number one threat is the Government therefore it's only natural they must in turn make you the the number one threat to them. And unfortunately there are a lot of people who hold their own government in the same esteem as yourself despite history showing no basis for such extreme distrust. Has the Government mislead, lied, misconstrued the public at large? Yes. But at the same time has my neighbor lied about blowing his leaves into my yard? Yes. Doesn't mean I'm going to start setting up claymores all around my yard to protect my domain.

    Number 2 on your list for stockpiling rounds, threat of rioting by minority groups. Really? How politically correct of you. "I'm not a racist but I'm armed like one and I'm well within my constitutional rights." A right that was granted by the government that you so distrust. Riots happen for a variety of reasons, some of them not for anything remotely involving race. Despite the news agency's best efforts to convince us otherwise, the majority of Americans live peaceful non-dramatic lives and most will never ever be caught up in a riot.

    Number 3 on your list, Terrorism. This is absolutely the most mind boggling. Number 3!!! You are more afraid of your own government that has not beheaded a single person ever, than that of organizations whose sole purpose is to burn the United States to the ground. And guess what? They don't care about the skin color, American is American. It's high time that you stop worrying about race and more time worrying about nationality.

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 4:13 PM, pac7fuj wrote:

    What a lively discussion!

    Anyone with three living brain cells knows the Odamit Administration is directly to blame for the ammo shortage. After the Odamit EPA went wild on lead smeltering plants it quickly went to the primer mixture facilities and started collecting fines in a manner never seen before. Couple that with the largest ammunition order ever for inter-government use and viola; you have an ammo shortage. Now, Odamit has curtailed all arms and ammo sales from Russia so guess what that will do to the shooting markey? Yep! It will be bedlam for those shooting 7.62x39, and the surplus market for old soviet ammo will dry up completely.

    This Odamit Administration has made itself clear, many times, that it believes guns and individual ownership of guns are out of control and should be limited to military and police force only. That any method they can think of to control guns is a valid format towards the fundamental change of America. And now they have found their way; the achillies heel for lawful gun owners across these United States: if you can't bring about gun ownership regulation then deny access to ammo. Without so much as a wimper, every gun owner will eventually become just another caveman wielding a club, some with a sharp point on the end.

    Shame on the NRA for posting this tripe as an answer. Most of us owning firearms know the difference between a rose and a meadow muffin. And any excuse for ammo shortage not closely assigned to the federal government is muffin material. Don't believe me? Then why is the Defense Dept. burning up $1 Billion dollars worth of surplus ammunition? Simply put; so Odamit can keep it from civilian ownership, pure and simple.

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 4:17 PM, pwm02176 wrote:

    Reading a few of these comments, and assuming they reflect how people feel, well I think I will move to Canada. I have never seen so much completely off the rails delusional comments on any of the usual whack job sites as I have read here. A lot of you are in serious need of professional help.

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 4:24 PM, Robinthebear wrote:

    22's..The hitmans best friend. I myself have 2....and dozens of both clips and boxes of rounds.

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 4:28 PM, FRANKOK2014 wrote:

    "The 2nd amendment is mainly so we can rise up against tyranny. No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms ." Thomas Jefferson

    (By freeman he did not include lunatics such as at Sandy Hook, etc. as they should have been in mental institutions and gangbangers who should be in prison.)

    "Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny." Thomas Jefferson

    “Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain security will deserve neither and lose both”

    Benjamin Franklin

    The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.” Thomas Jefferson

    “Where liberty is, there is my country” Benjamin Franklin

    "When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty." - - Thomas Jefferson

    “The people are not to be disarmed of their weapons. They are left in full possession of them.”

    Virginia Ratifying Convention of 1788: Zacharia Johnson

    "A gun is like a parachute, if you need one, and don't have one, you'll probably never need one again." Unknown

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 4:35 PM, ReaperHD wrote:

    When people were dumb enough to be paying up to $3,000.00 for a rifle that cost $800.00, Bin Lying Obozo was the greatest driver for the Gun and Ammo Markets ever. If you don't want to keep paying high prices for these commodities the you better show up and not vote for any candidate named Hellery Clinton.

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 5:00 PM, chrisman wrote:

    HOW ABOUT .380 CAN'T FIND IT ANYWHERE!! iS JUST BECAUSE IT IS FOR HANDGUNS???

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 5:03 PM, MTWallet6 wrote:

    So nothing in the article explains the shortage. Only the run up in price. Seems to me that manufacturers could double the build lines and keep the extra price increases for the cost of the new lines. But what do I know ? I'm still looking for sporting rounds.

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 5:04 PM, MTWallet6 wrote:

    So nothing in the article explains the shortage. Only the run up in price. Seems to me that manufacturers could double the build lines and keep the extra price increases for the cost of the new lines. But what do I know ? I'm still looking for sporting rounds.

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 5:04 PM, TheeMadCatte wrote:

    Hah this is kind of ironic. Basically, the fear that Obama is taking our guns and ammo has caused people to buy more guns and ammo than ever. Obama hasn't actually taken our guns, but because of the surge on buying... we think there's a clandestine plot and buy more!

    Well, at least weapons manufacturing stockholders are doing well for themselves. Whatever boosts the economy!

    I was thinking of getting an xDM soon myself.

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 5:15 PM, Rodacious3000 wrote:

    I see some ignorant people discussing Ferguson and black on black crime around the country. I used the term ignorant because it is defined as the act of not knowing. These people are engaging in the act of not knowing that all other races commit crime to their own citizens at the same rate or more. Black people are 13% of teh population, so do you really think they comment the majority of crimes against white people? Of course not, just by the 62% number of white people in the US population it is not necessary to even perform research to understnad that white people are the majority of the offenders in white crime. Is crime lower in cities that are white only? Of course not. These cities have 100% white on white crime. I haven't seen that on the news-These cities are plagued by white on white crime. Stop watching Fox and read.

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 5:16 PM, smokepole2014 wrote:

    @ ancient one, Find your comment about some guy buying the entire .22 stock almost impossible to believe. As I have tried several times to buy more than 2 boxes when a shipment came into Cabala's and all they would let me buy is 2.In the one store I shop a fellow took them and hid them behind various other items throughout the store security was watching. They went and removed the boxes. The next day when the fellow came back to buy 2 more boxes he had a conniption fit when they were gone from their hiding place. The new stainless cci 22mag shells are great by the way.

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 5:17 PM, dkw12002 wrote:

    Good. There is room for lots of taxes on ammo too. Let's put a high tax on it same as cigarettes, gasoline, and alcohol and for the same reason. People are addicted to guns, so they will pay anything. I mean since guns are a bane to society, we should at least get some taxes from ammo and gun sales. 5 cents a bullet is ridiculous. It should be at least 10 cents...See, I just raised a billion dollars in tax revenue right there. That's how you do it, Congress.

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 5:31 PM, popeye1250 wrote:

    Easy, just everyone stop buying ammo for 30-90 days.

    There'll be plenty then and at a good price!

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 5:37 PM, GrannyGotGun wrote:

    Here is the real story.

    Production capacity is 11 billion rounds a year. All sources

    100+ million gun owners and over 20 million of those joined the hobby in the last 19 months

    There is no production capacity to handle that kind of demand even if only 25% of gun owners shoot 22lr

    Its a simple demand problem. What little product there is, if you can call 11 billion rounds little, is being doled out. Everyone has limits on purchases on what little they receive. When the big retail chains are only getting a case on delivery day that means only a few people can get any ammo.

    Another issue is the lack of gun powder. Its harder to come by then 22lr ammo is.

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 5:44 PM, GrannyGotGun wrote:

    As to taxes there is an additional 11% excise tax on top of sales taxes for ammo. Way more then there should be.

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 5:46 PM, Jamie8 wrote:

    In this day and age of just in time manufacturing and no inventory manufacturing,why haven't the gun and ammunition makers gotten to this point? There are some products out there that don't even have time to MAKE it to warehousing,let alone mid-level dealers..and if there has been a shortage for several years,why are ammunition manufacturers just now stepping up production? Simple. It was greed..

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 5:48 PM, Bagley wrote:

    No one walked into Cabela's and bought every round of .22 rimfire that they had because they have a limit on how much you can buy.

    When ammo starts getting available, people wh have the money will buy more than they can use in their lifetime so it will take a while to get back to normal.

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 5:50 PM, BTBC wrote:

    The above article is a big pile of Liberal crap

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 5:54 PM, tkarl wrote:

    I don't think this article addresses all relevant points. Example: what I heard was: One of the oldest and largest lead smelting plants was closed down. I thought it had to do with the government in some way.

    I, as others have said, have my own ammo stocks, and they are OK, but I still want to get Bricks of ~500 .22's at Walmart for ~$18. Until this occurs/recurs, I am left feeling there is something very strange about .22 availability.

    I keep hearing about how many .22's are made by CCI per day, but neither this article, nor any other source, is saying where they are GOING / who they are sold to!!!!

    This article stated it would reveal where the .22's are; I don't think it fulfilled that promise. Something very strange is still going on -- it could be just hoarding, but somehow that answer does not feel complete -- especially in light of the drop in gun sales.

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 5:56 PM, Bagley wrote:

    dkw, There is an excise tax on guns, ammo and fishing equipment. What there is not an excise tax on is other sporting equipment like mt. bikes, backpacks and outdoor equipment. That should change because the hunters and fisherman are carrying all the other outdoors enthusiasts. Everyone should pay their fair share and quit mooching of the hunters and fisherman.

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 5:58 PM, bbrook123 wrote:

    Here's what I don't get: who is "them", "they", "the "government"? A couple of old whack jobs with their finger on the "button"? Is if the military, the ATF, the National Guard? These groups are made up of your sons, daughters, cousins, next door neighbors, coworkers. I just don't get this notion of some dark shadow govt. out to get us all. Its ludicrous.

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 5:59 PM, zerstoren wrote:

    IDK what you're talking about. I just bought 2,000 rounds of .22LR last night from cheaper than dirt.

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 6:02 PM, ghostxdreams wrote:

    ya you keep right on believing all the hype about not being any ammo around. kinda funny Obama got in office and hm-mm this happens hmm-mm

    they say one guy walks in and sees that there is very little ammo so he buys it up and the next guy panics? and this happens everywhere at once? in every store? in every state ? you are saying that there is no way to get more? something just don't add up 2 + 2 does not =22

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 6:15 PM, EDEJ wrote:

    YOU ARE SO SPOT ON HERE(WINK) (NOD)

    AND BUFFETT IS JUST A GREAT INVESTOR WHO DID ***NOT*** BACKROOM FUND OBAMA SO HE WOULD "BLOCK OIL PIPLINES" WHILE BUFFETT MAKES BILLIONS A WEEK ON OIL TRAINS.

    RICK SMITH IS AT THE TOP OF HIS GAME HERE

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 6:23 PM, mickeypoo wrote:

    "All you can get today is cheap Russian Wolf-brand ammo ... that costs a staggering $230 for a box of 1000 rounds."

    That's still a bargain at $0.23 per kill.

    Assuming these fly straight, of course.

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 6:31 PM, PRELL75 wrote:

    Guys,

    It's a shame that this supposed to be an investment website and the vitriol comes out regarding Black/ White etc. We speak about government control. Yet we play into the decisive traps that they want us to play into.

    Yes the black community does tend to be violent towards each other. However, that is the case amongst other ethinic groups as well. Black folks kill Black folks, White folks kill White folks etc.

    The Ferguson issue is just one of the many things we need to solve as a society I can't comment as I do not know all the facts and will prefer to wait until things calm down and become clearer.

    There are fundamental issues that need to be resolved. Minorities rioting are probably not the main thing people should fear. The Patriot Act is one of the greatest thefts of civil liberties to ever occur in the country. Obamacare? Please, the Patriot Act has ensured that the Government will maintain and consolidate control for a long time.

    Yes let's worry about rioting minorities, while our conversations get listned to. Warrentless wire taps and searches go on. Our police forces get more militarized ( I'll deal with untrained rioting minorities anyday) and the folks in D.C. keep feeding us soundbites to keep us divided.

    We are smart people here at the fool. Let's be objective and see what's really going on.....

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 6:34 PM, snipe1949 wrote:

    Ancient you are not telling the truth. In Cabelas you can only buy one box at a time. And they almost never have 22.

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 6:40 PM, snipe1949 wrote:

    Both wars are over. And we still cant get ammo.

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 6:44 PM, snipe1949 wrote:

    PRELL75 Blacks are 13% of the population and do 53.5% of all violent crime. The number one cause of death for young black men is gunshot. 70 % of black children have no father in the home and i could go on but you get the point.

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 7:05 PM, DQ10 wrote:

    An oil tanker springs a leak in the morning, the cost of gas goes up that afternoon. Hey, there's a shortage coming.

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 8:39 PM, planet8888 wrote:

    The founding fathers gave people the right to defend themselves against a corrupt government. This is the year 2014 where the government has more than hunting rifles. The public should have permission to have ANY weapon....even weapons of mass destruction. A 22 is good for small game and target practice. I wouldn't care if there were no 22 or pellet ammo. This is the big time. You need something that can take out tanks, etc.

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 8:46 PM, liberalpistol wrote:

    Practice?! That's not practice, that's just shooting off rounds cause you get a cheap thrill out of being the "big man" with a gun...and in the case of a .22, a toy gun...I've never had a problem with hitting my target, nor have any of my friends, with a pistol, at realistic ranges...long range sighted shots, hunting, that's something else...but still you don't burn up 250 rounds a day

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 9:18 PM, locsphere wrote:

    It is not just .22. it was everything for a while. I couldn't get a single caliber and all I wanted to do was go to the range and practice. BUT NOOOO.

    This goes to show you that Democrats are actually the best salesman. Moving forward though. Probably not a good time for any other country to mess with the US. Their citizens are best not to be trifled with.

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 9:50 PM, GodsCountry wrote:

    Every once in a while i get a whiff of Liberal trolling here. One troll, in particular, smells to high heaven. He says government granted us the right to bear arms. I tell you truly; this would be the type of government we need to bear arms against.

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 9:58 PM, Mustafa08 wrote:

    The NRA circulates a rumor that the Government is going to take your guns.

    Gun people panic and rushes to empty the shelves.

    Prices go up.

    By the way all of the NRA directors have stock in the gun industry.

    Is this manipulation or what?

    Does it sound familiar??

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 10:08 PM, JohanStrauss wrote:

    Do I really care?

    I have nearly two boxes of 115gr FMJ for my A-75. That's more than enough for my needs. If I have to put more than two rounds into a terd, then that's *my* malfunction. But it won't take me more than two rounds, so IDGAF.

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 10:15 PM, tahiti5000 wrote:

    There is obviously no shortage of paranoid lunatics here!

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 10:37 PM, NoMoeMoney wrote:

    This argument has been going on for the past year (and even longer) Ohh the 22lr shortage is hoarders and resellers, bla,bla, the author must have been lazy since this issue has already been beaten dead.

    Sure people have been buying guns and ammo in record amounts the last couple of years because they are scared to death of the future! When the President skips off to golf or says we don't have a plan for terrorists (not to mention unknowns with illegals and Healthcare) you bet the future is very uncertain and bad things ALWAYS happen when that's the case...

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 10:43 PM, rfult999 wrote:

    I,m amused by people who think they can stand off our government with an AR 15, I would hope that our military will side with the american people and our constitution. The most you could do is rather small scale skirmishes, and those would probably be with NSA, HLS, law enforcement. The government already has your GPS at your front door, every GI knows what that means. A grunt will follow orders against the US people but briefly, they would soon realize they are shooting at their fathers, brothers, ect and soon turn on their Officers ordering attrocities to be committed on our people. Government is not bad as long as it adheres to our constitution, I admit that the free speech zones are non existent and the full scale spying without warrant must stop and should be challenged at every opportunity. So far as everything else just learn to do it the way they did in the 1940,s rural america didn,t have electric, everyone made do , learn to reload , research primers, powder manufacture, fire starting, ect learn some food preservation techniques. I have faith in the american people to see through all the racial propaganda put forth from the media and a few race baiters. If Isis has their way and they,re preparing something for us, we will all have to pull togeather. I suspect suicide individuals innoculated with ebola, or some other terrible disease to act as blood reserves to contaminate everything they can, ending with their death inside malls ect by bomb vest, and the kenya shooting sprees inside malls are their pattern, when they start, everyone will be wanting to pack and america will return to the days when there was a rifle behind every blade of grass, and everyone could shoot. Cities won,t be the same when everyone learns to hit what they,re shooting at instead of hitting everyone else, and the problems will get themselves eliminated fairly quickly when these things come upon us. We win and thats the way it is!

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 10:53 PM, TKK1959 wrote:

    I have NOT been able to get a 525 round box of Rem. Golden Bullets for over a year now & it is ticking me off. PLUS paying $5 for a SINGLE box of 50 is outragous. I see guns on sale all the time, but WHY buy a gun when ya can't get ammo to shoot it with. Luckily I have around 7-8000 rounds I have saved over the years, but I don't shoot any of them much anymore cause I want to REPLACE what I shoot. When it comes to .22's, we are being taken. At $15-$17 a box of 500, the ammo companies are still making money hand over fist & all the people who buy all the stuff off the shelves & sell it for 3 times it's actual worth are raping us sportsmen.

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 11:03 PM, notyouagain wrote:

    Gosh, must be frustrating. Too bad. I have all I need. But actually, if someone breaks into my darkened house, I always thought it'd be a lot more fun to hack their gun arm off with my 16 OZ meat cleaver.

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 11:38 PM, pcav2001 wrote:

    I did not see the riot or outraged reports in the news about a young white shot and killed by a non-white police officer. The boy had earplugs in and did not comply with commands that he could not hear.

  • Report this Comment On August 31, 2014, at 11:55 PM, PRELL75 wrote:

    Snipe 1949. I do understand the statistics. However, I would bet that number is concentrated in urban areas and related to drug dealers, gangs etc.

    I would say that your average working family ( married or single mother households) are not violent offenders. That is my point. We throw around those numbers but do not put them in context.

    This prevents us from focusing on what is really happening. As I stated before, violent crime is an ethnic thing ( more black kill blacks, more whites kill whites, latinos kill latinos etc.) You have less to fear from a black male than I do (I am black obviously). If you are white, you have more to fear from a white male that I do.

    My main point is related to this story. Let's not get distracted talking about Ferguson, cops allegedly murdering people etc. The fact is that the government has taken steps to consolidate it's power and we continually argue about other things and do not keep our eyes on what is going on.

    They thrive on division but yet we perpetuate it every day(as we are doing now on this post)..

  • Report this Comment On September 01, 2014, at 12:14 AM, james27613 wrote:

    Given that just about every firearms manufacturer has one or more AR-15 training rifles in .22LR,

    so many people snapping them up at rock bottom prices and using them.

    Sure there are the hoarders and resellers but what can you do.

  • Report this Comment On September 01, 2014, at 12:31 AM, gsharpe wrote:

    these posts are long and very intricate..i dont own a gun but dont blame those who do..may or not be a good idea in the future.

    chris rock did a bit about brothers murdering brothers.."want to stop drive by shootings and dealers shooting each other and other crazies blowing folks away?: make the guns cheap but make the ammo cost 5000 dollars a bullet..you wont see these bad guys walking around saying i am going to cap his butt...they will be saying hey man can we all chip in to buy a bullet just in case the other guys get enough money to buy one? everyone would have guns but no bullets. you would not see a bullet shortage then..need 10 bullets? mortgage your house..

  • Report this Comment On September 01, 2014, at 12:42 AM, mobrocket wrote:

    People are stocking up cus they distrust the government?

    What do you think your guns are going to do?

    Big Business and the government control our food, water, electricity, our basic means for survival... they dont need force when they simply can just starve you out

    but then again, Americas are some of the most irrational and ignorant people

  • Report this Comment On September 01, 2014, at 1:05 AM, ibnid wrote:

    Just skimming the comments, I feel like this sector has a few more quarters of better than expected revs. Good article, thanks, hadn't thought of this!

  • Report this Comment On September 01, 2014, at 1:16 AM, customharley wrote:

    Dear God...please tell me none of these people making comments live near me...please tell me they are just a small teeny tiny minority. OMG, when is the flood coming to take them....

  • Report this Comment On September 01, 2014, at 1:32 AM, exodus443 wrote:

    "Why you might ask? Distrust of Government would rank first,"

    "Same here. I'm stocking up on rounds for my AR-15 so I can take on our military when Obama sends them in to take away our guns." - phillipzx3

    @phillipzx3 - Are you serious? What a "foolish" person you are indeed. The U.S. Army/U.S. Military will never stand behind our current President to take guns away from Americans. Do you even know how much he has harmed our military? Are you aware of the oath our servicemen/women take to support and defend the CONSTITUTION against ALL ENEMIES, both FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC? He is militarizing our local law enforcement agencies, while shrinking our military to pre-WWII levels. And trust me, if the military did come for you - your little .223 cal ammo wouldn't save you.

  • Report this Comment On September 01, 2014, at 4:29 AM, sinophil49 wrote:

    Heck, if I get killed by a .22 bullet, I would hope that it would cost at least $0.12. I hate to think that I could be killed by a cheapo $0.05 bullet.

  • Report this Comment On September 01, 2014, at 4:52 AM, jak2247 wrote:

    I read your article with interest and I think I need to add my 2 cents. I believe the ammo shortage is being controlled by the manufacture's and the Gun shops and sporting goods. Because like the Petroleum industry the can claim supply and demand then jack up the prices 3 or 4 times normal and the people will think there is a shortage and pay those high prices.

    A bulk box of Federal 22 long rifle ammo the was selling for $18.00 a box of 525 suddenly turned to $50.00 a box or more, 9mm box of Russian steel case ammo that was $5.99 on sale can't be touched now for less than $13.99.

    So I think it is as most things now days greed that controls the ammo shortage. Winchester has a plant that according to a You tube video produces around 1 billion 22 long rifle rounds a year, Federal, Remington, CCI ,and others do around not counting the imported ammo. Now you want the people of this country to believe 5 or 6 billion 22 long rifle suddenly disappeared who's kidding who.

  • Report this Comment On September 01, 2014, at 5:30 AM, HoldonM wrote:

    This story is months old. So old in fact the original NRA publication it appeared in (American Rifleman) has long ago been taken out of our bathroom reading stack. And those magazines hang around for years in some cases.

    Just how up on "current" events are you Motley and if you're in the habit of publishing dribble this old why should we trust you to have up-to-date info on anything? This is pathetic.

    You should now do a follow up story in a year extolling how six months ago ammunition was "back in the pipeline".

  • Report this Comment On September 01, 2014, at 5:38 AM, rdbyrne wrote:

    The best thing to do is own a variety of firearms and ammo.

  • Report this Comment On September 01, 2014, at 5:56 AM, yakkhapadma wrote:

    What I find amusing is the people who are paranoid about the government taking away their guns, and then posting online all about what types of weapons, and how much ammo in specific calibers, they have stored up at home. Do these morons really think the government couldn't find out who they are because they're using a screen name?

  • Report this Comment On September 01, 2014, at 7:32 AM, redlegagent wrote:

    Alas - given the responses to this article it's apparent that we will continue to have difficulty finding ammo for the foreseeable future. It's pretty apparent that both "fear" and" ignorance of how the market works" is prevalent within the shooting community. I hear the Bubbas at the stores repeating the same incorrect conspiracy theories as can be read here regularly. The government has not "bought up the ammo". This tripe was disproved long ago yet it persists due to the easy manipulation of many via the internet who simply take these stories at face value and run with them. Members of congress and others investigated this and found the claims to be false. Large ammo companies are publically owned. As such they will not jeopardize their shareholder's stake by acting in some conspiratorial or financially imprudent way. They want to make money and have increased production accordingly. Further - these companies have nothing to do with the ridiculously high prices you find at on-line auctions or in gun shows. Blame those on the sellers who are scalping you. Once again for those who are "math challenged" - forget about how many "total bullets" are produced each year. Instead remember HOW THEY ARE PACKAGED. Centerfire ammo is packaged in 20rd boxes for rifles while pistol cartridges come in boxes of up to 50rds normally save for the bulk packs. Rimfire ammo on the other hand is packaged in boxes up to 550rds. That means you get considerably LESS total number of boxes and when folks but them 3 or more at a pop - it does not go very far. Rather than simply whining about this problem - try THINKING for a change.

  • Report this Comment On September 01, 2014, at 7:52 AM, mumsie wrote:

    Manufacturer created shortages drive prices up. Create a conspiracy and peddle it to the paranoid among us to induce a buying frenzy. Blame it on the government which feeds the paranoia and the people will buy at any price. Marketing gimmick, works well.

  • Report this Comment On September 01, 2014, at 7:58 AM, M1Garand wrote:

    The COST OF MFG 22 LR AMMO IS A BIG FACTOR IN ITS AVAILABILITY. 1st, the profit margin for ammo is very thin. 2nd, to remain competitive, most manufacturers have always sold their 22 ammo at or below cost. 3rd, the ammo-making machines must be re-configured (retooled) to make a each different caliber, which is a lot of work, so they make ammo in scheduled batches -- specific calibers may only be scheduled to run once a year or two. As a result, manufacturers have had to concentrate on producing the more popular pistol and rifle calibers that turn a profit.

  • Report this Comment On September 01, 2014, at 9:29 AM, moonglum01 wrote:

    Hording, sure now, but I wonder if the crisis was originally brought on by the fact that gun sales went up, and the guns being sold (especially in .22) were semi-auto, not bolt action and certainly not single shot rifles. When I was growing up everyone had single shot .22 and single shot shotguns, that was the norm, not the exception. A 50 round box of ammo was more than enough for a day of hunting and plinking. Today when I take the kids out with their semi auto .22s a box of 50 doesn't last very long. Many more rounds being shot + many more rifles shooting = classic supply and demand situation.

  • Report this Comment On September 01, 2014, at 10:30 AM, Citizen wrote:

    It is treason to take arms against the US. Article III Section 3 of the US Constitution, "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort."

  • Report this Comment On September 01, 2014, at 10:34 AM, PJSolarz wrote:

    If I owned a company that produced ammo, I would be capitalizing on these sales and cleaning up. These manufacturers are most likely not willing to hire additional help or invest in equipment because this trend could change and then they'd be left with layoffs and trying to sell equipment. It doesn't take a lot of capital to manufacturer ammo. By keeping the demand high, they can reap more profits for the same amount of energy expended.

  • Report this Comment On September 01, 2014, at 11:14 AM, WARRIOR1956 wrote:

    I've been A pro active NRA member since I was 16. I have a pretty large collection of firearms that are stored in my Browning vault. Back in the early 1980's my friend Danny and myself used to frequent all the local gun stores in our area. We both had several .22 LR handguns and rifles. So every time we stopped in a store we would buy one or 2 100 round boxes of .22 LR. It was automatic. We did it because plinking with that round was cheap. Over the many, many years. I've accrued at least 10 to 12 thousand rounds of .22 LR rounds. Back in the 80's who knew there would be a shortage like this ? But I'm thank full and feel fortunate that Danny and I got into the habit of always buying a few boxes every time we stopped at the gun stores. As far as my other calibers. I'm all set we purchased a Dillon 550 Square Deal reloader. and always did massive reloading during the Winter months. From .380 to 50 Cal AE. we are all set. MOLON LABE !

  • Report this Comment On September 01, 2014, at 2:24 PM, Darrh568 wrote:

    Yeah, go ahead and believe what the government wants you to believe

    Just like unemployment is 6 or 7%, do you think the NRA is going to tell you the truth? they can't

    This is Odumbo's gun control, and it also raises the prices of ammo across the board, win win for Odumbo and stock holders, it really doesn't matter anymore about citizens....the new citizens that have the voice are the Corporations (Corporations ARE citizens) they make the rules for all us scum bags now

  • Report this Comment On September 01, 2014, at 3:47 PM, peterwolf wrote:

    Oh, that's what happened to it?? I just assumed it had all been looted from stores by the rioting blacks in various cities.

  • Report this Comment On September 01, 2014, at 3:59 PM, JJF wrote:

    I receive weekly ammo updates from Gander Mountain. Ammo is shipped to the store on Friday's only. 5 out of 6 weeks there is no 22 ammo scheduled to be delivered. In other words during a 6 week period, it only comes in on one day. I don't buy the story that it is being made 24 hours a day and that everyone is buying it up. If that much ammo was being manufactured, would not GM be receiving delivers for sale on a more frequent basis?

  • Report this Comment On September 01, 2014, at 4:32 PM, redlegagent wrote:

    JJF - There are 131 Gander Mountain stores in the US. If every one got a mere 10K of ammo each week that's 1.3 million rounds per week - and that's only one chain store!! Now think about how many stores sell ammo and you'll (hopefully) see where it's all going. If CCI cranks out 2.9 million bricks of 500rds of .22lr per year based upon 4 million rounds per day and you have say 20 million gun owners who want to buy 3 bricks each - just how long do you think it will last? Do the math folks. That means that about 1 million will get their 3 bricks while the other 19 million whine on the internet about the government or some solar flare etc. causing all of this.

  • Report this Comment On September 01, 2014, at 4:43 PM, foinatorol wrote:

    Yikes. More comment on guns than any "investing" topic I've seen lately.

  • Report this Comment On September 01, 2014, at 5:36 PM, dgcajun wrote:

    reports are that the gubment didn't order half million rounds but instead the actual amount was 1.5 billion rounds of .40 cal for everything from the lowly ssa to homeland security and it wasn't the usual ball ammo but all hollow point. reason?? there is a difference in ballistics from the ball ammo and the hollow point when target shooting making it more likely for the shooter to miss the target when in actual conflict with someone!! wally hasn't really had the smell of a .22 in a couple of years and neither has other avenues that I have checked quite often. I stocked up in the early to late 90s on most of this stuff but find myself a bit shy on a couple calibres that I shoot, but still have enough to fight if need be. however, getting back to the shortage, late last year ALL of the manufacturers put on a third shift to try to catch up so most of this article is garbage for the most part. yes, civies went nuts on their buying but ammo had sat on shelves for ages prior to the gubment ordering all these rounds. those of us who were smart stocked up a bit at a time instead of waiting. at one time I was buying 5000 rds at a time of .22 and shooting them up almost as fast lol!!!

  • Report this Comment On September 01, 2014, at 5:39 PM, HugoSLaVia wrote:

    I skimmed the story, and maybe I took too many stoopit pills today, but I don't feel like I learnt anything.

  • Report this Comment On September 01, 2014, at 6:02 PM, ilgglf2M wrote:

    I see as a ''way '' for the gov't to raise prices on a cheaper ammo . this is our most popular way of target practicing ...... the idiots '''think ''' they will control guns.......hahaha, they think.....

  • Report this Comment On September 01, 2014, at 8:38 PM, Chipr1962 wrote:

    I find a lot of fault with this story. I own a gun and ammo store and though 5.56, .223 and 7.62x39, 51 and 54r is readily available the distributors either hold back for gun ammo deals or pass it on to the big box stores. Wally-mart sporting section is corrupt. The associates notify their buddies when ammo is available, they come in buy it all and then sell it for 3-4 times the money. This goes for .22, .380, .40, .45 etc. The manufacturers say they are making ammo at full tilt and the government is NOT buying it. I call BS to that. When two separate customers come in on different days and tell me the same story about government warehouses filled with ammo in two different locations NC, and Midwest. It makes me think. Hmmmm

  • Report this Comment On September 01, 2014, at 8:42 PM, PS75425 wrote:

    Someone mentioned this and it bears repeating...the only "shortage" was caused by those fools/lunatics that perceived a shortage and bought up every single round of ammo ... causing a "Shortage" for those of that wanted a few rounds for target practice...you can see the same thing happen when gas prices spikes ... fools/lunatics fill up their car at every opportunity even if it doesn't need it ...

  • Report this Comment On September 01, 2014, at 8:45 PM, LAKOTA wrote:

    Well I just read where there is a shortage of 22lr ,an hornet hollow point, I have 300 bricks of 500 rounds each bought them last year at different sporting goods stores in iowa, highest I paid was 34,00 a brick. My wife an I carry 22 pistols, concell carry, an do a lot of target shooting while wintering in Arizona, have always seen plenty of 22 in walmart an other stores in the south, not that I need any when we find it ill buy it , happy shooting

  • Report this Comment On September 01, 2014, at 8:51 PM, notyouagain wrote:

    Idiots. There is no conspiracy. There are simply too many of you nuts wanting to buy way too much. To keep up with the demand would be impossible.

  • Report this Comment On September 01, 2014, at 9:45 PM, twt4dn wrote:

    I don't think a fear of the government makes anyone a fool or a lunatic, particularly under the current administration and it's open door policy to the REAL lunatics of the planet (ISIS/ISIL, among others) through the southern border. The only caution I would offer to the hoarders is that you can't fight your enemies alone. Your 20,000 rounds aren't going to win a fight if the other 10 people on the block have zero. Share the wealth. It is the deniers' children who will be wishing the old man would have stocked up a little in 10 or 20 years when they can't get any, anywhere.

  • Report this Comment On September 01, 2014, at 9:46 PM, oneofthemasses wrote:

    The .22 long rifle will go down in history as one of the most successful round ever produced. Under 75 yards this round's performance is hard to beat. Extremely accurate in short distances. A well placed round will kill anything up to and including deer. Bigger for more experience hunters. When bullet proof vest companies consider designs the rounds they worry about stopping in hand gun size is anything stronger then the .357mag and anything .22LR and smaller with hyper velocity. The .22LR doesn't have a lot of energy. It does how ever put that energy in a vary small cross sectional width. The only down side to the 22 is being a rim fire round. I believe the next upgrade of this round will be designing them as a center round. This would have happened already if it could have been done economically. That is the best part about the 22 round, value for the price.

  • Report this Comment On September 02, 2014, at 9:45 AM, readfederallist wrote:

    The folks who are freaking out about the 'end' of civilization have been stashing .22 for 'survival'. When they get saturated, the price will fall.

  • Report this Comment On September 03, 2014, at 12:30 AM, golfnutdave wrote:

    My local Gander Mountain recently ran an ad with .22 ammo. I showed up the next day and bought two boxes (their limit per person) of Remington Thunderbolt (500rds) and Federal AutoMatch (325rds). I'm inclined to think the shortage is easing up.

  • Report this Comment On September 03, 2014, at 4:20 AM, redlegagent wrote:

    "reports are that the gubment didn't order half million rounds but instead the actual amount was 1.5 billion rounds of .40 cal for everything from the lowly ssa to homeland security and it wasn't the usual ball ammo but all hollow point. reason??"

    Here is an excellent example of why we have high demand leading to shortages. Pure unadultered BS pushed by people like Alex Jones who have a "financial interest" in pushing conspiracy garbage. Here's some real "facts" for you about this tripe. Every major department within the government has an Office of the Inspector General. These people are licensed Federal investigators who carry guns and partake in law enforcement operations. As such they require ammunition for training and field use. So when the bubbas tell you that the SSA etc. are "buying ammo" - it is for the OIG officers. Further - the "bid requests" posted on the internet by AJ and others claiming the government was buying "billions of rounds" of ammo have a clause on them for those who actually took the time to READ THEM and not simply regurgitate the narrative. This clause clearly states that the purchase amounts represent the total number of rounds that MIGHT be purchased - but - does not guaranty the ACTUAL AMOUNT THAT WILL BE PURCHASED. As such the government may submit a bid request for a billion rounds in order to get a good bulk rate price - but that does not mean that is the amount they actually bought. Sen. Colburn posted in the Congressional Record a letter from DHS which outlined the total amount of ammo over the past 3 years purchased by DHS and it's sub-components and to what departments it went to. A lot of ammo went to FLETC - federal training facilities which train both domestic and foreign law enforcement agencies from across the country. As to buying "hollowpoints" - so what. Why waste money having 2 types of ammo - "training" and "field" if the bulk rate price is no different. Since law enforcement agencies do not have to abide by The Hague Convention like militaries about the use of hollowpoint ammo - they naturally use this type. Seriously folks - got to stop "reacting" and start THINKING about what is going on. People are allowing their "hatred" of everything government to cloud their take on reality and they are being manipulated by those who profit from their "fear".

  • Report this Comment On September 06, 2014, at 4:55 PM, Dilt wrote:

    Seems the shortage is easing a bit. For several years, I have been on many vendors e-mail lists to be notified when ammo was available. At first, by the time I read the e-mail, they were out of stock again. For the last 6 months or so, the larger caliber ammo has been easier to get, and recently .22LR has been in in stock for several days after the e-mail notification.

    One thing for sure.... There's a lot of ammo out there somewhere!

    I hope all the a**holes that have been buying it up to re-sell at inflated prices get stuck with it.

  • Report this Comment On October 26, 2014, at 6:45 PM, jrl1echo9 wrote:

    All these opinions from Obama to Buffet, from oil to trains, from police shootings to another civil war, all over guns and ammo. For f***ING sake, get over it. White police will continue to kill aggressive blacks even if they are not armed, and this is racism. Why you never see black cops gun down unarmed white boys? Why you never see black cops beat up white women? The answer is N****r cops know not to f**k with white folks. And stop blaming Obama for ammo shortage and guns being taken off the market. You voted him in office, WHITE FOLKS! Yep... your vote put him in office not blacks. After all his mother is white, and to me that is non-black not non-white. As for a civil war, what are all you white guys b***hing about? You own all the gun and ammo plants. You own the police and the military, you outnumber black men 6 to 1 and you have even trained your women and children to shoot firearms. Non of this frightens me, gotta die from something, but not like a f**king coward, like the blacks who like being in a world of white people. So let's call a spade a spade. Big business and government is still playing the fools. And we do them the favor by going after each other and they continue to feed you junk about your gun sales and ammo production, just like they do about oil. Do you believe billionaire blacks and whites give a damn about a ten dollar an hour guy being busted up by the police or getting shot by .22 or 30.06?

  • Report this Comment On November 05, 2014, at 12:25 PM, reallythisagain wrote:

    You know some of that is a valid point! I'm proud of the color of my skin which is white and proud of my son's also which is black. I grew up hunting and fishing and still do both to this day.I have plenty of.22 ammo as I do 12 gauge and .270 because this is the guns I use to hunt the most with and I guess if it ever came down to it to use my military training and the teachings of my dad and grandfather to defend against anyone or any thing trying to take from me or my African American son. This was supposed to be a discussion about shortages in ammo and it took about two seconds to turn racial and start churning out ignorant comments. Because racism is just that ignorance no matter the direction it goes.

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