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If I was bullish on Sirius XM Radio (Nasdaq: SIRI  ) last week, Tim Beyers' bearish argument only helped speed-dry the concrete for my freshly poured optimism.

I don't think that Sirius is a perfect company. It has some serious debt and dilution concerns that worry the heck out of me come 2010. However, if my buddy Tim's pessimistic outlook is as bad as it gets, Sirius XM is going to have no problem coasting higher.

Live and learn, Stern
A major theme in Tim's thesis is that the magnetic Howard Stern may bolt from satellite radio when his contract with Sirius runs out at the end of next year. He can always retire, of course, but Tim suggests that the self-proclaimed "King of All Media" will decide to go it alone come 2011.

"What would happen if Stern left for Web radio?" he argues. "What if he set up his own private studio, struck a deal with a Web hosting company, and started broadcasting under his own brand, independent of Sirius XM or any other media conglomerate? Would you pay $1 a month to listen?"

By Tim's math, Stern can replace his $100 million deal with Sirius by finding nine million fans willing to pay $1 a month to stream his antics. It sounds reasonable, in theory, but Stern's audience peaked at 12 million when he was available for free on terrestrial radio. As anyone that has ever weighed a free model against a premium subscription platform will tell you, you don't just lose 25% of your audience when the tollbooths go up. The vast majority walk away. He would also need far more than that to cover the costs to ramp up, promote, and maintain a new venture.

Internet radio is also still a rare bird in cars, and that's where Stern's morning show is the most valuable to commuters. Sirius XM has actually shed retail (non-car) subscribers over the past year. New car buyers represent satellite radio's most willing audience. How will Stern reach them?

How well would Stern do with Web radio? Some 3G smartphones like Research In Motion's (Nasdaq: RIMM  ) BlackBerry can stream Web content, but how many owners have outfitted their cars accordingly? Laptop-tethered techies with broadband cards can swing it, but is it worth it given the tinny computer speakers. Finally, Chrysler began selling $500 routers for cars last year, providing in-car Wi-Fi for $30 a month. 

In short, the market to stream Stern via Web radio is limited to those already paying $30-$80 a month for connectivity, and they still have plenty of hoops to jump through to make the experience auto-friendly. Stern has a better shot of getting 900,000 fans to pay $10 monthly than rounding up 9 million monthly buck-flingers, but 2011 will still be too soon.

If Stern wants to keep the show going, Sirius XM is the only platform in town when it comes to premium automotive connectivity from coast to coast. If he's a gambler, maybe he cuts a new deal where his show becomes an upcharge offering on both Sirius and XM, where he collects the lion's share of the premium. It would be a win-win for Stern and Sirius. It may also open up the door for the last of terrestrial radio's reigning stars to jump off that sinking ship.

Either way, if Stern isn't going to retire -- as he has threatened -- Sirius XM is his best shot to reach listeners, given the sorry decline of terrestrial radio and the unproven realm of premium-priced Internet radio.

Other bearish knocks
Let's go over a few of Tim's other pessimistic charges.

While it's interesting that Stern will soon broadcast to your iPhone, Ford (NYSE: F  ) and General Motors (NYSE: GM  ) have made it easier for drivers to use Apple's (Nasdaq: AAPL  ) iPod as a substitute for terrestrial or satellite radio.

Yes, more cars are adding iPod jacks to their cars, but pre-loaded iPods have always been a bigger threat to a car's CD player than to terrestrial radio. Drivers feast on fresh content. More importantly for automakers, there are no royalties paid by the makers of media players to the car companies for an audio jack. They are, on the other hand, financially motivated to push Sirius XM subscriptions where they get a piece of the action.

Substitutes are everywhere.

There are plenty of media players out there, but most -- like the iPod, Microsoft (Nasdaq: MSFT  ) Zune, or SanDisk (Nasdaq: SNDK  ) Sansa -- still need to be hand-fed content first. Even a Web radio substitute like the $200 Slacker still needs to be hitched up to an online connection before refreshing its play list. There will come a time when these appliances may emerge as legitimate threats, but that mousetrap is several years away.

MLB last week released an application for the iPhone that, for $10 for the season, will deliver live Web radio game feeds for all 30 teams.

This is actually bullish for Sirius XM, since it means that either content costs are falling or that content providers like pro baseball believe that the battery-sapping practice of smartphone-streaming is a niche product at best. Either way, it will be great ammo for when Sirius XM has to renegotiate that particular deal.

So don't fear the reaping, Tim. Threats to Sirius XM are either distant or opportunities in disguise.

You've just read my rebuttal. Read the rest of the duel here:

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Longtime Fool contributor Rick Munarriz is such a fan of satellite radio that he subscribes to both Sirius and XM. He does not own shares in any of the stocks in this story. He is also part of the Rule Breakers newsletter research team, seeking out tomorrow's ultimate growth stocks a day early. The Fool has a disclosure policy.


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  • Report this Comment On April 06, 2009, at 4:22 PM, McNabRanch wrote:

    Tell the other guy to get out of Starbucks, find a nice shade tree in the hills, and play with his laptop there......and no fair sitting near a xmtr....at least until we have an awful lot of these Obama towers.....nice vision, but then that idiot Regan conjured up starwars, pushed fusion reactors, and high powered lasers in airplanes.....us science geeks can't turn all their insprired moments into reality for 'em, ya know? We do have lotsa fun playing with the money, though......

  • Report this Comment On April 06, 2009, at 7:11 PM, jtdbegg wrote:

    Rick--I am as much a fan of SIRI as are you and others--but Tim spent far more time writing about the debt issue than he did about a potential talent fight--what do you say, Rick to the debt issues Tim raises--most particularly with respect to that debt diluting shares and keeping the equity price from recovering--both were good articles and all of our attitudes about the future of SIRI are largely set in stone--but if the two of you guys could focus more on the more serious arguments of the other and less discussing if or if not talent will flee--that would be most helpful.

  • Report this Comment On April 07, 2009, at 7:47 AM, kuz62 wrote:

    One of the things that is not mentioned much about Sirius is the poor response to hardware problems, and customer service in general. I have had to go aftermarket to replace 2 car antennas (none available through Sirius).

    I have recently had a problem with my receiver. They don't make it any more so I have to go aftermarket to get another receiver or pay ~ $200 to replace equipment that would equal what I have (car dock, receiver and boom box).

    They automatically charged my credit card after I asked them not to. I wanted to be billed and send them a check.

    My point is simply that there hardware and customer support is close to making me cancel my subscription. I wonder what percentage of customers have had similar experiences and are ready to, or have cancelled their subcriptions. As someone who also owns a few shares of Sirius stock I am wondering how their treament of customers will affect their survival. I must add that the programming is great, but I'm not sure it makes up for shoddy customer treatment.

  • Report this Comment On April 07, 2009, at 8:38 AM, TMFBreakerRick wrote:

    JTD, Tim did spend most of his bearish rebuttal discussing the debt, but this article only addresses his opening argument (which centered mostly around Sirius circa 2011 once the Stern deal is over).

    How do I feel about the debt? I don't like it. I think all of the moves in February done to keep the company alive is little more than dusting obligations under the rug. It's telling that even after handing Liberty 40% of the company that is has MORE to pay in quarterly debt interest now than it did before.

    However, it bought itself a year -- a year in which the projected $300 million+ in adjusted EBITDA may turn into substantially more in 2010. The stock may be higher come early next year when it has to tackle many of these issues, giving it greater flexibility to swap debt for stock or find a market for a secondary offering.

    No one knows where the economy will be in a year, but it's hard to imagine it being even worse than it is today, tight credit markets specifically. So, no, I don't like SIRI's debt at all, but it may seem like an easier monster to vanquish in a year.

  • Report this Comment On April 07, 2009, at 10:18 AM, palking83 wrote:

    Rick is dead on! The ability to listen to whatever you want when the mood strikes is worth every penny I pay for Sirius. Web is simply not there yet and probably won’t be for a long time especially for those of us living in Bum*&%#Egypt. I can’t even get decent internet at my house let alone my car. Seems like more and more when I travel I have to pay to connect to the web and it costs more than my monthly Sirius Connection just to connect to a hotels internet for 24 hours. Cellular is costly and spotty. Rick is also right about Stern. Right now as Stern goes so does Sirius. Most people opinions of Stern are derived simply from the content of his daily show. The truth is Stern is a stand up guy and I believe he won’t abandon his commitment to Sirius. After a couple years he may decide to finally grow up and give his current show the boot but something tells me he won’t be walking away from broadcasting and Sirius entirely. Perhaps he will continue under different format after all he is hands down one of the best in the business when it comes to interviewing celebrities. Or maybe he will work behind the scenes as an executive developing new talent, his sense of what makes good radio is uncanny and worth a fortune. As you can tell I am very bullish on Sirius/XM and not even paying attention to their money problems and this may be irresponsible. It’s very similar when AOL first came out with its user friendly web surfing program there was nothing else like it. A lot of people made fortune off that company before others jumped on the band wagon. Unfortunately I didn’t have much money then and didn’t invest in AOL even though my instincts were screaming otherwise. I'm not making the same mistake with Sirius/XM.

  • Report this Comment On April 07, 2009, at 8:29 PM, joeboo1 wrote:

    Rick, you seem to have hit it spot on! A subscriber based business model is a known success. Heck I think Sirius has more subscribers than Dishnetwork right now (although one is TV and one is radio and some TV. Subscriber models with a large base are known survivors in these tough econimical times

  • Report this Comment On April 09, 2009, at 8:23 AM, sl6209 wrote:

    Slick Rick...nice. You're finally seeing the NAB crap through the tall trees. Anybody positing an argument based on the future success and proliferation of terrestrial radio, is an idiot. Hence, you're bear buddy is an idiot. Nice work.

  • Report this Comment On April 09, 2009, at 10:26 PM, smith1066 wrote:

    I listen to the Stern show daily, and want to offer some insights on the question of Stern's retirement. It's clear from his comments on the air that he's sitting on the fence, though he often says he wants to get out before he starts looking like Imus (good bargaining position). But he's also indicated that he's worried about the fact that some of the other folks on the show will be left out in the cold if he leaves--he's the sort of guy who would feel really guilty about this. Some other things:

    *He has a young wife who appears to be prodding him to stay in the game. And his public presence makes it easier for her to make the transition from modeling to talk show hosting that she's making.

    *He's only 55, and in great shape and health. What's he going to do all day? Play chess?

    *It sounds like his production company is fairly dormant--it doesn't sound like he has a bunch of non-radio projects in development (other than a remake of Porkys which he seems not to be heavily involved with). He also seems really happy about just doing the show and spending time with the new wife.

    *He loves everything about radio, and was very hesitant about the shift to satellite until the technology was perfected and in a lot of cars. I don't see him moving to the Internet at all--this is a man who wants to be remembered for his association with radio.

    *He is enormously faithful to Sirius and Mel Karmazin, and loves seeing his old terrestrial radio stations going into the toilet after his departure--this is a guy who really wants satellite radio to thrash the competition, and he wants to be involved in the thrashing.

    *He is having more fun, and producing better content on uncensored satellite than he ever has in his career--and I've been listening since 1986.

    *When Stern went to Sirius, in addition to the $100M per year contract, he and his agent received ca. $220M in Sirius stock. I assume he still holds this stock, and if so, he probably wants it to be worth something when he retires--or at least on the rise (I haven't bothered to look up what SIRI was going for in Jan. 2006, but I assume it was higher than it is now).

    So he's being coy, but as I read the situation, there's no way he leaves after his contract is finished. He loves radio too much, and he loves the idea of helping to make Sirius a dominant force in the media of the future.

  • Report this Comment On April 09, 2009, at 11:26 PM, draland wrote:

    I whole-heartedly agree with your assessment 'smith'

    Howard wants to thrash and trash that old boss of his, what was that name...............Moonvies or some other retarded name like that..............!!

    He ain't dumping Kaz and Co..........!!

  • Report this Comment On April 09, 2009, at 11:27 PM, draland wrote:

    BTW

    On 4/9/09, three days after TMF, and the crony; BShill, called SIRI's partner's 'weak'...........these same weak partner's get upgraded to BUY, vis-à-vis, their DEAL WITH SIRI................pretty good results for these insignificant partners, just because they associated their selves with loser Co. the likes of SIRIXM................................?? Doh!!

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