The Banshee Is Circling Irish Banks

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For those that didn't have the pleasure of watching "Darby O'Gill and the Little People" every St. Patrick's Day growing up, I should explain that the banshee is a female spirit of Irish mythology that comes to collect those that are about to die. Though Darby and his little pal King Brian Connors manage to foil the banshee in the movie, investors don't seem so sure that the Bank of Ireland (NYSE: IRE) and Allied Irish Banks (NYSE: AIB) will be able to do the same now that Anglo Irish Bank has been nationalized by the Irish government.

With the luxury of the Monday morning quarterback chair, it's pretty easy to say that it was not only ill-advised, but downright reckless to allow banks to rack up such massive leverage. In the case of many banks -- and we're talking U.S. banks like Bank of America (NYSE: BAC) and Citigroup (NYSE: C), as well as U.K. banks like Royal Bank of Scotland (NYSE: RBS) and, of course, the Irish banks -- gargantuan piles of assets were stacked on relatively slim slivers of equity. This meant that a sizeable hit to one of these banks' asset bases could easily wipe out all of its equity and then some.

Of course there's an argument for allowing banks to maintain that much leverage, but it's hard to imagine that argument holding up unless risk was kept to a minimum and transparency was kept at a maximum. Again, from the comfort of our rearview mirror, we can see that neither was the case and now investors are left grasping at straws when it comes to the future of these banks. Sure, Irish government officials have said they have the firm intention to keep Bank of Ireland and Allied Irish in private hands, but should we really be convinced at this point that they have some special insight that guarantees this?

At this point the equity shares of most large banks have become options on the potential for their ongoing survival as privately owned entities. Bank of Ireland is trading at less than $2 and is down 97% from its 52-week peak, Allied Irish's stock is under $1.50 and is also off 97% from its high, and Citigroup is trading at $3 and change and has shed nearly 95% from its mid-2007 peak. And I could go on and on with the list.

If any (or all) of these banks are able to shake off the wails of the banshee -- or, in Ireland's case, fear of nationalization -- and get back to some state of normalcy, investors could see hefty gains from today's prices. But if there's anything the banshee does well, it's persistence, and when the only certainty out there is continued uncertainty, investors will be best served treading carefully around major bank stocks -- Irish or otherwise.

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Fool contributor Matt Koppenheffer could use a King Brian Connors of his own right now to help him navigate this market. Matt owns shares of Bank of America, but does not own shares of any of the other companies mentioned. The Fool's disclosure policy has never once been caught with its pants down. Of course, it doesn't actually wear pants ...

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  • Report this Comment On January 22, 2009, at 12:44 AM, bunngolf wrote:

    Where did you get the info that AIB and IRE are massively leveraged? I'm sure your cohorts at MDP would be interested to know that.

    Ken Lewis at BAC should be shown the door by its shareholders after his massive destruction of shareholder wealth and no meaningful dividend for anytime soon. And he buys all those shares yesterday after the massive share destruction he caused. Shameful!

    BG

  • Report this Comment On January 22, 2009, at 3:31 PM, TMFKopp wrote:

    Thanks for the comment. As of AIB's most recent balance sheet in June (http://tinyurl.com/d576fa), the company had E183B in total assets against E9.1B of shareholder equity -- for a leverage ratio of just over 20x. At one point this wasn't considered particularly outlandish for a bank, but, as I mentioned above, in retrospect it seems pretty crazy.

  • Report this Comment On January 22, 2009, at 4:00 PM, steven107 wrote:

    I appreciate an open minded look. I have not liked the other 'fools' coverage as they have been screaming 'buy' all the way down from 40. I wonder if any of them will write similar articles to explain why it may have been a mistake. It is rare to see a 'fool' explain failures. Usually failed ideas here, get swept under the rug.

  • Report this Comment On January 22, 2009, at 4:55 PM, MotleyGulibles wrote:

    David Garner and his MDP team should be hung by the short hairs. Great job for getting MDP subscribers to buy in at $40.00. An attractive play they touted after a trip to Ireland meeting with AIB top brass. Must have been the pub.

    Foolish fools they certainly have been, how much has MDP been whacked? -50%+, not bad for MF's cream of the crop!

  • Report this Comment On January 22, 2009, at 4:55 PM, MotleyGulibles wrote:

    We are entering an "era of responsibility." - Barack Obama

    MF might want to address the issues

    To the MOTLEY FOOL

    Please do not send your promo mail as a blanket response when you receive a personal comment re. your PRO service solicitation from an ex. MDP member. This kind of impersonal response is counterproductive. If it ever dawns on you (MF) to interact with your customer base in a more dignified manner you might well benefit from it.

    Following the dire results of Million Dollar Portfolio, it is an insult for any educated individual or MDP member to receive your PRO service hype with a bogus $500.00 rebate and offer that service at a then discounted $1499.00 per year. Your best PR would be to have those who subscribed at the onset of MDP, receive 6-12 months free as a way to offer them the opportunity to recoup their heavy losses incured by following the Garner bros. over the cliff. And if you dare reply (as per MF standardleitmotiv) "no one forced anyone to buy", you deserve having your Foolish headquarters bombarded with rotten tomatoes!

    Why would anyone be inclined to trust your new PRO service? As per your hype, MDP was supposed to be the cream of the crop and as we all know your subscribers tanked with it ( including myself) And this, thanks to some VERY poor strategy on the part of the foolish Fools, and quite apart from market conditions. It looks like your due diligence in Ireland re. AIB ( Allied Irish Banks) was done in the pub, and at MDP's expense. AIB pps from $40.00 to $1.03 with no further actions to preserve MDP members investment investment is nothing short than disgraceful.

    Your Foolish hype is your worst enemy, your constant promo mails and the conflictive information between the free newsletters and your paid services does not serve you well, or does it entice to continue paying for mediocre advice. As for those that still do, the MF's MDP dire performance, has depleted much of their hard earned money and savings.

    Madoff was thought to be a genius to offer his "privileged clients" 8 -12% return and he tanked because it was unsustainable and turned Ponzi to meet his obligations.

    If you are the geniuses you pretend, why don't you create a fund that will outperform the markets, and put your money where your mouth is. Or, does the marketing hype bring you a better bang for your buck? The latter is now obvious.

    Leading your subscribers down a road you clearly hype and are clearly not accountable for is totally irresponsible.

    Food for thought.

  • Report this Comment On January 22, 2009, at 5:04 PM, rich1633 wrote:

    I have stock in IRE, searched yahoo today for news and found an article quoting the Finance minister of Ireland the Bank of Ireland and Allied Irish banks will remain private.

  • Report this Comment On January 22, 2009, at 5:23 PM, JoergL wrote:

    They said that about Anglo-Irish, too, before it was nationalized.

  • Report this Comment On January 22, 2009, at 10:28 PM, bulldogjr wrote:

    So much for The MF analysis of bank stocks. We've seen AIB touted for months as a great investment by MF. I couldn't believe the column you wrote today - the banshee analogy - how cute. After buying AIB at 32 on your advice, I'll pass next time and look elsewhere for some more serious and informed analysis. BullDog

  • Report this Comment On January 23, 2009, at 1:13 PM, andymj78 wrote:

    So let me get this straight. You (MF) have been screaming "strong buy" on AIB for many, many months as the stock gets slaughtered. Then you have the nerve (when it has lost 97% of its value) to recommend staying away from it? So now that its market cap is less than half of its holdings in M&T and its Polish bank holdings, you are stating this? I just want to be clear that this is what i am hearing. That's what I thought. You guys are a joke.

  • Report this Comment On January 23, 2009, at 4:20 PM, brreathless9 wrote:

    the comments above are pretty much expressing my thoughts... The Fool appears to be living up to its name.

  • Report this Comment On January 23, 2009, at 4:48 PM, brreathless9 wrote:

    Added to the above, I do salvage a certain amount of optimism regarding a bank that has been in business since the late 1700's. That means Bank of Ireland survived the great potato famine, huge outmigration, World Wars I & II, chronic Irish rebellions, The Great Depression and the series of later recessions, among other small financial hiccups. My one major concern is that the government meddles where it isn't needed.

    I also note the type of loans Irish banks make. Much more conservative than U.S. banks Reminds me of Sacramento, California in the 1950s-60s, when some mortgage lenders there required a 50% down payment in order to get real property financed.

    Bank of America in the 1940's-50's made mortgages for only 5 year terms. That way, in order to renew the loans, borrowers would have to requalify, updating their financials to assure BofA they were still credit worthy. Who knows, it might go back to that standard again.

  • Report this Comment On January 26, 2009, at 2:01 AM, TMFKopp wrote:

    To address some of the comments above, I think it's important to point out a couple things. First, there isn't a position on any stock that is "The Motley Fool position." The writers that write for Fool.com (like me) and the analysts and advisers that choose stocks for the newsletters are separate. I may disagree with picks made by newsletters, and one of the great things about The Fool is that I am not discouraged from doing that.

    As it pertains to Allied Irish in particular, I think we need to consider the nature of investing. An investor that is correct 100% of the time is an investor that doesn't exist. I think it was Peter Lynch that said a really good investor is right about 6 out of 10 times. I don't expect to be right every time and doubt that any of the newsletters advisers expect to be either.

    In the past I've said that I thought AIB looked like an attractive stock. Now I think there is too much risk and uncertainty to make it a worthwhile investment. Does that make me a fool? Nah, I think it just means that I'm taking new information into account. And yeah, it also means that I was wrong in the past. As noted above, it's part of investing.

    Matt

  • Report this Comment On January 28, 2009, at 11:12 AM, MotleyGulibles wrote:

    Matt, the contradictions between the paid newsletters and the free editorials under the same foolish MF banner are totally counterproductive and are confusing to most MF followers. As a result many are no longer subscribing to the paid services. Why should a paid opinion that is hyped to kingdom come by MF be discredited by another expressing his point of view under the same banner. This does not discredit the latter, it just adds oil to water and is not compatible to make a sound investment decision. The FOOL are gaining momentum in being a sad bunch of hypers.

  • Report this Comment On January 28, 2009, at 1:35 PM, andymj78 wrote:

    Well said MotleyGulibles.

    Matt, these rogue articles which contradict the (paid) MF line are soiling the once distinguished name of your company. They are invariably poorly thought out and done with a minimal of due diligence. For example, there was a MF article a few weeks ago pumping AIB stating that there was a massive 75% dividend, even though AIB will almost certainly have no dividend this year. Please do more research before posting advice which will cost others money. Your analysis is another example of this. You use the example of AIBs tier 1 ratio as a reason to sell, but this was always public knowledge. You knew the leverage ratio before but pumped it. What has changed since you loved it at much higher prices? At $1, when you said to sell, there was very minimal downside (worst case scenario, $1), and infinite upside. What type of advice is it to buy high, panic, follow the masses and sell (very) low? Is the fact that the tangible book value of the stock is many multiples of its market cap not enough margin of safety for you. They could have sold their M&T stake for 1.5B when the stock was trading at a market cap of 500M.

    Anyways, I did not heed your advice and doubled down at $1.15. Thank god I have enough common sense to dismiss your dribble. Others may not have been so informed to do the same, and to them you owe an apology. DO SOME RESEARCH in the future…

  • Report this Comment On February 04, 2009, at 11:55 PM, AirForceFool wrote:

    I for one have drank the Kool-Aid of Fooldom and purchased stocks based on their advice (WITHOUT doing my own due diligence)... and shame on me... I've learned from my past, and gone one to treat the Fool articles for what they are... a particular Fools opinion... someone that has been recognized for having more good ideas then bad... yet most of you sit there and whine that you've been dupped into purchasing stocks that have performed poorly... you think paying $199 or $299 guarantees you stock picks that aren't going to go down.... sheesh.... but you're naive. To many fools are either to lazy or not smart enough to do their own stock research... and they'll invariably lose money with their picks... sad, but kind of predictable.... if you want someone to pick stocks for you, go out and hire a broker... it will cost you a lot more, and certainly not guarantee you success, but at least then when you spout off about whose fault it is, you'll be a little closer to the mark.

    If you want to play the bear and argue why AIB is buy at current prices, or at least why it's not a sell, that's cool... I love the bull/bear back and forth arguments... but saying "you suck, you lost me money, I'm owed something for free" is really just white noise and adds nothing. If you're that upset, quit your service and move on... nothing speaks volume like walking out.... of course you might get the spam email that states "We'd love to have you back..."

    Chris

  • Report this Comment On February 08, 2009, at 10:33 AM, swantly wrote:

    I tend to agree with MotleyGulibles post. To have different "experts" posting opinions which are contradictory really muddies the water.

    See another story entitled "The Best Opportunity This Decade" by Jim Mueller on Jan 26, 2009 stating that he feels like a kid in a candy store and the candy (AIB) is on sale.

  • Report this Comment On April 10, 2009, at 8:50 PM, Fliujniligui wrote:

    It is so hard to tell. Upside is so massive. Total nationalization is also possible. Still, AIB has Bank Zachodni and M&T Bank and a lot of foreign investors are in AIB and I am pretty confident Lenihan will try to not burn totally the foreign mass of holders. AIB may sell BZ and M&T To raise 2 billion euros now that financials rebounded and EUR/PLN is more favourable, this should represent some coverage in the event of a capital injection need and would possibly keep nationalization under 66%. All remains to be see, if joblessness raises to 20% as I just red on Herald.ie, This is just a total mess.

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