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Between Nov. 4 and Nov. 12, the Dow Jones Industrial Average dropped 1,300 points. If it kept falling at that rate, the index would hit zero in fewer than two months.

Of course, we won't see zero. No matter how ugly the markets get, the pain we saw over these past few weeks can't continue for long.

But here's the bad news: Even though zero is out of the question, that doesn't mean stocks won't plummet from here. In fact, they could fall much, much further.

And history agrees.                                                                                                    

What goes up ... 
The history of long-term market downturns is pretty abysmal. When times are bad, markets don't just get drunk with fear -- they start downing vodka shots of fear.

At times like this, nobody wants to own stocks. Their palms begin to sweat every time they watch CNBC. They bury their heads in the hope that the pain will go away. They throw in the towel and sell stocks indiscriminately. In short, everything gets ugly.

Just how ugly? Have a look at the average price-to-earnings ratio of the entire S&P 500 index over these three periods of market mayhem:

Period

Average S&P 500 P/E Ratio

1977-1982

8.27

1947-1951

7.78

1940-1942

9.01

Compare that to the average P/E ratio today of 18.86 and a seven-year average of more than 24, and it's pretty apparent that stocks could fall much, much further than they already have, just by returning to the lows they historically hover around during downturns.

Assuming that earnings stay flat, revisiting those historically low levels could easily mean a nearly 50% decline from here. For the Dow Jones Industrial Average, that'd correlate to roughly Dow 5,000 -- give or take. Of course, I'm not predicting, warning, or forecasting -- I'm just taking a long look at history.

But what if it did happen? 
What would happen to individual stocks? Here's what a few popular names would look like trading at P/E ratios of 8:

Company

One-Year Decline

Further Decline From Current Levels With P/E of 8

Costco (Nasdaq: COST)

29%

51%

Cisco Systems (Nasdaq: CSCO)

46%

34%

Adobe Systems (Nasdaq: ADBE)

46%

47%

Google (Nasdaq: GOOG)

53%

56%

Procter & Gamble (NYSE: PG)

15%

52%

Baidu (Nasdaq: BIDU)

57%

75%

Johnson & Johnson (NYSE: JNJ)

13%

40%

Look scary? It is. And it could easily happen.

But here's the silver lining: Every one of those stocks -- heck, the overwhelming majority of stocks -- are worth much more than a measly 8 times earnings. The only thing that pushes the average stock to such embarrassing levels is an overdose of panic, rather than a good reading on what the company might actually be worth.

Be brave 
As difficult as it is right now, following the "this too will pass" philosophy really does work. No matter how bad it gets, things will eventually recover. Those brave enough to dive in when no one else dares to touch stocks are the ones who end up scoring the multibagger returns.

Need proof? Think about the best times you could have bought stocks in the past: after the economy recovered from oil shocks in the '70s, after the magnificent market crash of 1987, after global financial markets seized up in 1998, and after the 9/11 attacks that shook markets to the core. As plainly obvious as it is in hindsight, the best buying opportunities come when investors are scared out of their wits and threaten to give up on markets altogether.

And that's exactly where we are.

Pick what side you'd like to be on 
The next few years are likely to be quite a ride. On the other hand, the history of the market shows that gloomy, volatile periods also provide once-in-a-lifetime opportunities that can earn ridiculous returns as rationality gets back on track.

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This article was originally published on Oct. 18, 2008. It has been updated.

Fool contributor Morgan Housel owns shares in Procter & Gamble. Johnson & Johnson is a Motley Fool Income Investor recommendation. Google and Baidu are Motley Fool Rule Breakers picks. Costco is a Motley Fool Stock Advisor recommendation. The Motley Fool is investors writing for investors.

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  • Report this Comment On November 19, 2008, at 11:14 AM, UncleSkell wrote:

    No, the DJIA won't go to zero. But the component stocks are a different matter. For the Dow to actually go to zero, there would have to be no buyers for any of the 30 largest companies in the United States. Since for every seller there has to be a buyer under our system, this is unlikely. Moreover, the Dow is a list that includes not only General Motors and Citigroup, but also Wal-Mart and McDonald's. Some of these companies are bargains, some are in single digits already and heading for points south.

    Any individual stock can drop of the grid in a matter of weeks, descending to prices too low to pay the brokerage fees it would take to sell out. This is something the stockholders of Bear Stearns learned to their sorrow and cost. Ditto Enron.

    The economy is not going to collapse. The mail will still be delivered, dial tones will still be heard (at least on phones that have dial tones), life will go on. If the stocks in my portfolio were good stocks to begin with, (and if they weren't I shouldn't have bought them), this is a good time to buy more of same, assuming that the factors that induced me to invest in the first place are still at work.

  • Report this Comment On November 19, 2008, at 12:10 PM, iamnik77 wrote:

    Where are you getting a PE of 18+? Are you using some kind of projection? All of the trailing PE's for almost all of the well known stocks I am looking at are in the 5-15 range with just a few lower and just a few higher.

  • Report this Comment On November 19, 2008, at 12:17 PM, TMFHousel wrote:

    iamik77,

    The figure is pulled from the Standard & Poors website.

    http://www2.standardandpoors.com/portal/site/sp/en/us/page.t...

  • Report this Comment On November 19, 2008, at 12:21 PM, fe3lixallen wrote:

    Great, realistic article.

    No one knows, but I think lowered earnings next year with a PE of 11 or 12 might be a good projection. So we probably still have a ways to go down.

    But, it WILL go back up.. just how long it takes is the real question.

    Bill J.

  • Report this Comment On November 19, 2008, at 10:26 PM, dividendgrowth wrote:

    For Dow to go to zero, you either need a global thermal nuclear war or the US to go communist.

    Even the de-housed Germany and firebombed Japan didn't see their stock indexes go to zero, although their CDs and bonds did go to zero in the ensuing inflation.

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