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That was all I wanted when Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner laid out his bank recovery plan earlier this month. At the time, the bulk of his announcement was something along the lines of "We have a plan. Plans of this plan are still in planning stages. Stay tuned for more plans."

It left everyone with more questions than answers, and the market has vehemently expressed its disapproval by plunging ever since.

Details have arrived
Yesterday, the Treasury gave some color to its so-called stress test -- a way to determine if banks, particularly haggard ones like Citigroup (NYSE: C) and Bank of America (NYSE: BAC), hold enough capital to endure the grim future they're facing.

Those deemed "stressed" (aren't they all?) will have access to convertible preferred shares, yielding 9%. The securities automatically convert into common stock after seven years, but this can be done at any time. After the seven-year mark is passed, the government "... shall make reasonable efforts to sell on an annual basis an amount of common stock equal to at least 20% of the total common stock." In other words, the program should be wrapped up within the next 12 years (assuming the common shares are even worth anything at all).

Yawn
None of that was very exciting, or relevant, for that matter. What investors really wanted to know were what assumptions would be used to guide the stress test.

That's where things get interesting. The test will use a wide range of assumptions on economic growth, unemployment, and housing prices. The idea is that by using even extreme (as Treasury calls it, "more adverse") scenarios, banks can be tested for a worst-case situation.

For the three main metrics, here's the range of estimates for 2009:

Metric

Baseline

More Adverse

Real GDP Growth

(2%)

(3.3%)

Unemployment Rate

8.4%

8.9%

Housing Price Declines

(14%)

(22%)

Wait … what?
The first two metrics, GDP and unemployment, don't stick out much. GDP fell more than 3% in the fourth quarter, and even companies like Microsoft (Nasdaq: MSFT) and Pfizer (NYSE: PFE) have been laying workers off in droves. Unemployment in the high 8 percent range seems like a foregone conclusion these days.

But what hit me like a ton of bricks were the housing decline assumptions. Under the "more adverse" scenario, 2009's 22% drop in the Case-Shiller home index will be followed up by a 7% decline in 2010.

That got me thinking:

  • The Case-Shiller 10-city housing index (the one used in the Treasury estimates) has fallen 28.3% since peaking in 2006.
  • In the process, the economy was pushed to the edges of oblivion.
  • Now even government regulators -- who have a very real incentive to butter up the truth -- are forecasting another 25%-plus plunge over the next two years.
  • What effect will that have on the economy going forward?
  • [Insert favorite phrase of gloom here.]

According to Bloomberg, $3.3 trillion of home values went up in smoke during 2008, equating to an 11.6% loss. Using those same figures, a 22% drop would dissolve $5.5 trillion more in 2009. For comparison's sake, the total market capitalization of all 30 Dow Jones Industrial stocks is roughly $2.45 trillion.

Serenity now. Serenity now.

Those affected the most are obviously homeowners and banks. Nearly one out of every six homeowners is currently "underwater," meaning they owe more than their house is worth. The overwhelming majority of those underwater are still current on their monthly payments, but the more underwater you get, the larger your incentive to give up and walk away -- leaving the home to the bank.

Perhaps more importantly, as Foolish colleague Kristin Graham pointed out last fall, half a trillion dollars' worth of option adjustable-rate mortgages will reset between mid-2009 and 2012.

Plunging real estate prices can ax the prospect of refinancing once higher reset payments kick in. That, sadly (or pathetically), was strategy No. 1 for homeowners who took out mortgages they knew they could never afford. For banks with heavy exposure to exploding loans, such as Wells Fargo (NYSE: WFC) (by way of Wachovia) and JPMorgan Chase (NYSE: JPM) (by way of Washington Mutual), this is a daunting prospect, regardless of how little they paid for their respective acquisitions.

Where to now?
Add it up, and one thing seems certain: Banks with heavy exposure to real estate (which is most of them) have much, much more pain ahead. The thought that the worst is behind banks is farcically optimistic. For the broader economy, which is relying on bank stabilization before any real traction can take hold, this is yet another indication that those hanging their hats on a quick economic recovery might be unpleasantly surprised in the year ahead.

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  • Report this Comment On February 26, 2009, at 2:16 PM, OleDrippy wrote:

    Makes sense to me... Pack a lunch, it's going to be a long ride.

  • Report this Comment On February 26, 2009, at 2:23 PM, TMT33 wrote:

    House prices have to drop, they're out of sync with rental prices and people's incomes. The housing market can't start to recover until people can afford them and renting isn't significantly cheaper. Fundamental economics, all bubbles must correct back to reality.

  • Report this Comment On February 26, 2009, at 3:01 PM, FinancialFellow wrote:

    I can totally see the drop continuing. Here's an excellent video that does a great job of explaning how we got into this mess in the first place: http://financialfellow.com/2009/02/25/a-simple-explanation-o...

  • Report this Comment On February 26, 2009, at 3:22 PM, wuff3t wrote:

    "The test will use a wide range of assumptions on economic growth, unemployment, and housing prices. The idea is that by using even extreme (as Treasury calls it, "more adverse") scenarios, banks can be tested for a worst-case situation."

    Now what would be really useful is if the government made it law that every bank had to perform this Stress Test annually, and made the bank's board of directors - not the external auditors who would carry out such tests - legally responsible. This sort of enforced responsibility might (or should, if the tests are stringent enough and carried out diligently) have prevented the whole sub-prime meltdown in the first place, as it would not only have made it impossible for the banks to put greed before a sensible business model, but also given the banks the ammunition to refuse to obey the government's orders to offer sub-prime mortgages to people who could never realistically afford them, in the first place.

  • Report this Comment On February 26, 2009, at 3:35 PM, TMFDiogenes wrote:

    That's a really interesting idea, wuff. Makes sense to me.

  • Report this Comment On February 26, 2009, at 4:04 PM, TMFSinchiruna wrote:

    Taking it one step further... much more pain ahead for the banks means much larger and protracted facilities of federal and quasi-federal (the Fed) intervention reaching skyward to the ruinous debasement of our currency. The wheels have been set into motion, and the strategy decided, which very unfortunately seals the fate of the dollar and its all-important role as a perceived safe haven among the largest central-bank holders... especially a less impaired holder of massive USD assets like China. Surely you don't think that China, given the rhetoric already issued suggesting a very serious level of concern, will remain on board with these plans and finance the spending that would be required keep the banks from failing under that scenario.

    This is why the banks aren't lending despite having unfettered access to capital... they know how much additional deterioration looms on the horizon. Of course that means the President knows, too ... which places this week's hope-embued speech in an interesting context. Our leaders appear to be playing a confidence game, even as the entire system devolves into a ponzi scheme of epic proportions. It's really quite despicable, and people are likely to be ranting like Rick Santelli once the masses come to know what Treasury's forecasters obviously know.

  • Report this Comment On February 26, 2009, at 5:03 PM, wuff3t wrote:

    To add to the horror show, I've just read an article (sorry, didn't think to copy the link) in which bank analysts were suggesting that the banks will actually hoard more cash in order to be able to pass the Stress Test. So this very measure, designed to provide some much-needed transparency, could inhibit the increase in lending the economy really needs.

    It feels like we're trying to swim through quicksand at the moment - whenever anyone suggests something that initially sound as though it might help things, we quickly find out that it won't...

  • Report this Comment On February 26, 2009, at 5:12 PM, BMFPitt wrote:

    House prices MUST come down. Even today, they are still overinflated assets, and are only being propped up at current levels by government interference. Every attempt to keep them overinflated (thought free-cash giveaways, artificially low interest rates, and actions to prevent neccissary foreclosures, or trying to inflate their way out of trouble) will do nothing more than prolong and deepen the pain. Not to mention the fact that it punishes the responsible and rewards the irresponsible.

    I like Wuff3t's idea about an annual stress test, if for nothing else than to jack up the FDIC rate on any bank that fails (or even comes close) such a test. That, along with assurances that no privite entity will ever be bailed out again. The only option for a failed bank will be non-government-assisted merger or liquidation. Of course, I also tire of hearing about the fantasy that the government forced any of these banks to hand out these loans.

  • Report this Comment On February 26, 2009, at 5:42 PM, ORinVA wrote:

    Looking at historical compound annual growth curves, what movement is needed to put housing prices back into a normal range?

    I'm curious to know if 14% gets us back to "normal" and 22% overshoots by one standard-deviation / RMS on the low side...

  • Report this Comment On February 26, 2009, at 6:50 PM, jdubbau wrote:

    Two main thoughts I'm trying to get through:

    People being foreclosed have to live somewhere. Instead of paying the bank, they're now paying rent somewhere.

    Is there any company moving to take advantage of this trend?

    Is there a builder / property management / REIT positioning to take in these foreclosed houses, manage for returns now (rental), then re-develop for an eventual return to an increasing house price market?

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    Housing prices are an artificial measure of worth. Driven ultimately by individual's desire to get as much (or more) than their neighbour did when selling their house. House sales figures going down, and / or foreclosures dropping the 'worth' of your house do not mean you inherently have less value. It's all relative, and just as with equities, you do not lock in a loss until you sell. Yes, house prices will go up, but the mindset needs to change back to 20 year timeframes, not 2 year.

  • Report this Comment On February 26, 2009, at 8:04 PM, AtlasAynRand wrote:

    Yep, housing prices are going down, down, down.

    This is also known as self correction to reality

    pre-housing price run ups.

  • Report this Comment On February 26, 2009, at 10:12 PM, trenton1ryan wrote:

    <[Insert favorite phrase of gloom here.] >

    Wittiest thing I've ever read in a TMF article.

    Pray hard everyone-and work hard too.

  • Report this Comment On February 26, 2009, at 10:21 PM, bisnettrj2 wrote:

    "Serenity now. Serenity now."

    Are you supposed to yell it?

  • Report this Comment On February 26, 2009, at 11:14 PM, nicko168 wrote:

    Based on the past weeks of observation, in order to avoid these turmoil crisis, I would suggest the readers to avoid the following companies at the moment:

    1. Banks.

    2. Auto.

    3. Retails.

    4. Casino.

    5. Insurance.

    6. Builders.

    7. Advertising.

    8. Energy.

    9. Healthcare.

    10 Loan.

    11. Chemical.

    12. Credit.

    13. Electric.

    14. Communications.

    15. Semiconductors.

    16. Rental.

    17. Electronics.

    18. Computers.

    19. Software.

    Blah..Blah..Blah."what can I buy?" Ha..Ha....Don't listen to analyst's prediction which does not work in this turmoil but there's an old saying "listen from the horse's mouth"

    After listening to the speech that day which caused the whole stock market to slid to its lowest..."what the heck"..I realised that there's a shift in position to .....just playback the speech & the clue is what's not mentioned & who's already awarded the technology & millitary contract ....Ha...Ha..Catch it?

  • Report this Comment On February 27, 2009, at 12:02 AM, nicko168 wrote:

    Revised version:

    Based on the past weeks of observation, in order to avoid these turmoil crisis, I would suggest the readers to avoid the following companies at the moment:

    1. Banks.

    2. Auto.

    3. Retails.

    4. Casino.

    5. Insurance.

    6. Builders.

    7. Advertising.

    8. Energy.

    9. Healthcare.

    10 Loan.

    11. Chemical.

    12. Credit.

    13. Electric.

    14. Communications.

    15. Semiconductors.

    16. Rental.

    17. Electronics.

    18. Computers.

    19. Software.

    20. Estate

    Blah..Blah..Blah."what can I buy?" Ha..Ha....Don't listen to analyst's prediction which does not work in this turmoil but there's an old chinese saying "listen from the horse's mouth". That's the truth!!!

    After listening to the speech that day which caused the whole stock market to slid to its lowest..."what the heck"..I realised that there's a shift in position to .....just playback the speech & the clue is what's not mentioned & who's already awarded the technology & millitary contract ....Ha...Ha..Catch it?

    The market goes opposite direction when the horse can talk....ha..ha..

    This report is free & welcome any comment....

  • Report this Comment On February 27, 2009, at 1:46 AM, max12345 wrote:

    Would anyone wish to hazard a guess as to when housing prices will reach their bottom? And might this vary for different parts of the country? This of course is something of interest to anyone who doesn't own a home and would like to try to buy one at the best possible price. (or is trying to do this the same as trying to guess stock market troughs and crests?)

  • Report this Comment On February 27, 2009, at 2:26 AM, pocopanda wrote:

    House prices are arrived at as the result of a tug of war between supply (inventory of homes for Sale) versus Buyer demand (number of Buyers). The higher the price of housing, the lower the Buyer demand.

    When supply and demand are balanced, house prices remain stable.

    When the supply of housing is greater than demand, house prices fall and you get a Buyer's market.

    That is what you have right now.

    As the inventory of homes decreases and Buyer demand rises, you get first a balanced market and then a Seller's market.

    Right now the Buyers are sitting on the sidelines waiting to pick some magical MARKET BOTTOM in house prices.

    The Buyers all want to get the best house they can at the cheapest price.

    One Day the housing market will bottom at some low price point and at that point the Buyer's will reenter all at the same time.

  • Report this Comment On February 27, 2009, at 2:57 AM, falang1 wrote:

    This is kind of a pickle. On one hand I want home prices to keep falling so housing is finally affordable but on the other hand this destroys the banks and takes the economy with it. I think another 22% is ok.

  • Report this Comment On February 27, 2009, at 3:18 AM, TyroneGenade wrote:

    The banks should have been left to sort out their mess last year at their own cost.

    This on going horror is simply because the dead banks have been artificially kept alive to devour capital. If Citigroup and Co has been left to die we would be left with healthy banks that could continue to lend and keep the housing market going or left some enterprising fellow to buy up bad morgages and become a glorified slum lord so that at least morgages could be paid and banks could remain liquid. Currently the banks can't even cover operational expenses never mind the ever deepening capital chasm formed by the drop in house prices.

    It is time to bury the dead banks. They are only stinking up the economy.

  • Report this Comment On February 27, 2009, at 3:25 AM, saunafool wrote:

    Max12345,

    You want someone to hazard a guess at the bottom.

    Here's mine:

    Home prices will fall AT LEAST another 30% and the bottom will be at least 4 years into the future.

    Why? That's how overinflated prices were. Over the past 10 years, houses went completely out of line with historical ratios to income or rent. They have to fall 30% to get back in line with historical norms.

    Furthermore, incomes and rent are now falling, and if this trend continues, prices will need to fall even more to get back to a sustainable ratio.

    Worse yet, buyers will start to assume that the price of houses will fall, and prices will overshoot to the downside. They always do when a bubble collapses. Finally, once the economy begins to recover, interest rates will have to rise quite rapidly. Hopefully by the time that happens, prices will have hit bottom.

  • Report this Comment On February 27, 2009, at 3:44 AM, jesse2159 wrote:

    I doubt that house prices will dip too further, but I do believe that they will flat line for about 10 years, until wages catches up with home prices. There are 330 real estate markets in the US, and not all will rise or fall together. Some neighborhoods will see increases in value for reasons that have to do with schools, transportation, taxes and services that will defy trends. Others will sink for reasons totally outside of the financial mess. But keep in mind that very very few predictions, even from the most knowledgeable, are more often wrong than right. Markets, like water, seek their own level. If you must sell but can't, rent it out and live in an apartment. You won't die.

  • Report this Comment On February 27, 2009, at 4:34 AM, GRAHAMDOWNUNDER wrote:

    Looking from outside the USA but well informed on it.here are my comments on the stress test.

    How about a real stress test

    Real GDP Growth (5% ) After all what do you actual produce,?? except debt.

    Unemployment Rate 11% it going to be that at least

    Housing Price Declines 30%

    There are just too many vacant houses and rents will fall so therefore the less investors will buy them . As most American households are in finacial trouble ( weather they admitt it or not ), You will be looking for buyers, these will have to come from overseas .Now there are very few countries without problems and investors who would even consider residentual real estate in the USA after what has gone on. I looked at some 2 mnths ago , My conclusion was the vacancy factor is way to large. We have a vacancy factor in Sydney Australlia ( Population 4.5 million ) of around 1% . Some parts of Orlando Florida are 17%-30% Why would I risk any money on it. If I can see it I am sure lots of others can.

  • Report this Comment On February 27, 2009, at 10:45 AM, zephod0 wrote:

    Taking a page from "The Black Swan", I would stress test the banks and auto corps by taking the feds numbers and doubling them and then as mentioned above, assume that those conditions will persist for 10 years. We spend too much time analyzing for conditions that we expect and not for those that are unexpected.

    Another thing to think about is that after the recovery, the world may have changed. GM may have gone bankrupt and may stay there as China ramps up auto production and export to the US. What if they come up with an electric car at a price significantly under $10k in the US market.

    Suddenly autos are no longer the second largest purchase. They become a commodity product like big screen tv's. That could have cultural influences as we refocus as a country away from the auto culture that we have become (just visit Phoenix if you don't know what I mean.) Dealerships dissappear and autos are sold directly through Costco.

    These are extreme scenarios, but if you believe what you read in "Black Swan", then maybe that's what we should be thinking about.

  • Report this Comment On February 28, 2009, at 2:28 AM, nicko168 wrote:

    Based on the past weeks, the stock market has been a place for the guys to rally & show their frustration towards "Robin Hood".So, no matter what stocks u thinking of..forget it....

    Ultimately, do you know who's the real fools? Ha..Ha..

    Real fools are the one who plunge their own economy to zero together with the $787 billion stimulus plan. Why?

    They'll be slapping their own face caused it opens up the opportunities & competition to the "third" world to buy all the "CHEAP" US Companies..Arabi, China, Kuwait & maybe Iran, Iraq etc...

    Based on the recent news, US companies are selling off thier valuable assets (technologies, bank etc) in order to pull through the crisis & who are they selling to? Make a guess....AIG went to China, Singapore etc selling off their stakes..Another is selling their US technologies or commodities caused they're ridden by billions of dollars debt....At the end of the crisis, what will the US companies who once holds the supremacy in technologies, banking etc become? "Zero" is my answer...

    Who the losers? The real losers are the next generation facing the real US....

    There's a old chinese teaching:

    "To break one chopstick is easy..

    To break a bunch of chopstick, is difficult"

    To the real fools, WATCH OUT!!! Ha..Ha...

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