Expert Summit: Is the Recession Over?

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Not long ago the prospect of a second Great Depression was on the table. The economy was hurting. The market had lost some 40% of its value. Things were bleak.

As we enter fall -- the one-year anniversary of the financial storm -- we've had months of market gains and some pleasant economic news to go along with it. Just last week, we learned that the U.S. manufacturing economy expanded for the first time in 18 months. U.S. auto sales jumped to their highest monthly level in more than a year, pushing sales from Ford (NYSE: F), Toyota (NYSE: TM), and Honda (NYSE: HMC) higher. Although sales were bolstered by the government's "Cash for Clunkers" program, automakers expect conditions to continue improving. So with all this positive news, the question remains, is the recession over?

I put that question to a panel of experts:

  • David Kelly, chief market strategist at JPMorgan Funds
  • Bob Doll, vice chairman and global chief investment officer of equities at BlackRock (NYSE: BLK)
  • John Linehan, co-director of T. Rowe Price's (Nasdaq: TROW) U.S. equity division and portfolio manager of the T. Rowe Price Value Fund (TRVLX)
  • Uri Landesman, head of global growth at ING Investment Management (NYSE: ING)

After four straight quarters of economic contraction, everyone on the panel believes the worst is behind us -- and some even believe the recession is, in fact, over. What follows is an edited version of what they had to say:

Looking at the underlying fundamentals, do you think the recession is over?
David Kelly: Yes I do. Though, let me be clear [about] what economists mean by a recession. A recession is measured as the period of time between the best month and the worst month. Although it still feels lousy, and although the economy still has problems -- I think unemployment is still fundamentally rising -- I think we are past the worst month. From that perspective, I think the recession is over, and the recovery has begun.

The National Bureau of Economic Research will eventually make the determination. Technically the way they date recessions is they look at five indicators: retail and wholesale sales, industrial production, employment, income, and a broad measure of overall output in the overall economy.

I think that in the month of July, we probably saw income turn positive. We know we've seen industrial production turn positive, and probably overall output in the economy turned positive. So I think we may have seen three out of the five numbers turn positive. So we're not in full-fledged recovery yet, but I think they will probably say that the recession ended in either June or July of this year.

Bob Doll: I think it's ending as we speak. My guess is that the National Bureau of Economic Research, which is the final arbiter on these things, will look back after the turn of the year and will point to some month -- probably here in the third quarter -- and say that was the end of the recession. Whether it's August or September, who knows, but it's happening.

John Linehan: Recession is a technical term. I don't think things are getting worse. I think things are starting to get better. Are they getting better to the point where we're actually seeing an increase in growth? It feels that way, but I don't know for sure. It's very clear that things have stabilized. It's clear that you're starting to see pockets of optimism and growth. If that continues, we're clearly going to see an improving economy.

Uri Landesman: I do think the recession is over. Now, that doesn't mean we're only going to have great news on the economic front. But I believe the economy is going to expand (albeit) at a reasonably gradual rate until lending increases. I think the first thing that needs to happen is that lending activity has to pick up between businesses and banks. That inevitably will lead to job creation, which I think will obviously lead to higher employment …

While I think enterprise spending, not retail spending, is going to lead the economy up, they're related to each other. As enterprises start creating jobs that will make the consumer feel a lot better and more willing to spend and not save … [Higher employment] in turn should drive retail sales, which would be the second leg of the recovery. 

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Jennifer Schonberger does not own shares of any of the companies mentioned in this article. The Motley Fool has a disclosure policy.

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  • Report this Comment On September 08, 2009, at 3:56 PM, plange01 wrote:

    the recession is over! it ended about january.since then we have been in a depression that has pushed unemployment over 20% and the US toward a major collapse....

  • Report this Comment On September 08, 2009, at 5:05 PM, RCREZ754 wrote:

    the recession over ? tell that to the millions of people that can't find a job and most likely take years to get one if they ever can

  • Report this Comment On September 08, 2009, at 8:01 PM, regulatethem wrote:

    bull!

  • Report this Comment On September 08, 2009, at 8:54 PM, xetn wrote:

    And of course, they haven't even factored in what is going to kill the banking sector when all of those over-built commercial real estate projects are foreclosed. A lot of these were financed by small-medium banks. FDIC's funds are nearly depleted and will have to go back to the well for more, leaving us taxpayers with still more federal debt to swallow.

  • Report this Comment On September 08, 2009, at 10:44 PM, Wbrundog wrote:

    More evidence of the disconnect between Wall St and Main St. These knuckheads still trust all the government numbers like they are religion. I wonder if these guys got some bailout money??

  • Report this Comment On September 08, 2009, at 10:58 PM, truthisntstupid wrote:

    Get over it! What do some of you spoiled people consider a job anyway? What...if it doesn't pay > $30,000 a year, provide full medical & dental and a pension plan it's not a "real" job? Maybe some of you will get a little more familiar with the way the "other half" lives. It won't kill you. Might give you an attitude adjustment. Cheer up. You might as well. Hey...most of us down here at this income level are still saying, "Recession! Huh? What recession?" Those idiotically high-paying union jobs may not really ever come back the way it was before. Sorry, the average person isn't worth $30, $40, $50, or more per hour PLUS all the bennies. So how many of you are stuck flippin' burgers and washin' dishes now? Or some such thing while you wait for 'your' economy to come back? You just don't get it. You got too used to thinking each ounce of your sweat was rightfully valued about the same as a half-pound of mine. The American consumer learned something about living within their means last year. We're gonna demand more for our money. Goods made in America will have to be able to compete. Why should I want a five dollar widget made by some American union guy when I can find the same thing in Wal-Mart for two dollars? Our economy can't 'recover' unless labor costs become less 'inelastic'. Don't know what that means? Sorry. Most people reading this probably do. Go back to your beer and your game.

  • Report this Comment On September 09, 2009, at 1:26 AM, shoemaker17 wrote:

    there are no games on tonight...as for the beer, Im cutting back

  • Report this Comment On September 09, 2009, at 3:54 PM, sept2749 wrote:

    kind of screwy the way the end of the recession is defined - don't you think? Unemployment is so much highr then 10% - maybe they should try counting those who have lost jobs and are doing all kinds of part time work to survive not to mention those who don't qualify for unemplyment insurance. I think the recession or whatever you choose to call it is far from over. God's not finished with us yet guys!

  • Report this Comment On September 10, 2009, at 1:10 AM, Fool wrote:

    I think people need to stop whinning about the government and do something about it. Write your congressmen with your concerns and maybe go out and vote these people out of office. I'm sick of people not being pro-active and passing the blame on to someone else. People got off you couch and DO SOMETHING!

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