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You'll be hearing a lot about banker bonuses in the coming weeks. Big banks will officially report "the number," or the average total compensation per employee for 2009.

How much money are we talking about? At trading banks Goldman Sachs (NYSE: GS  ) and Morgan Stanley (NYSE: MS  ) , this number could be ridiculous -- perhaps $700,000 per employee. It isn't as shocking at commercial banks like Bank of America (NYSE: BAC  ) and Citigroup (NYSE: C  ) because the total workforce is substantially larger, made up of tens of thousands of lowly paid tellers and back-office staff. In either case, average compensation masks that a few traders, executives, and department heads can literally make tens of millions of dollars (in some cases upward of $100 million). There's a good amount of skewing here.

For Goldman and Morgan Stanley, here are a few numbers to chew on:

Goldman Sachs               

Metric

2008

2007

2006

Revenue/Employee

$739,000

$1.51 million

$1.42 million

Compensation/Employee

$364,000

$661,000

$622,000

Earnings per Share

$4.47

$24.73

$19.69

Sources: Company filings, author's calculations.

Morgan Stanley

Metric

2008

2007

2006

Revenue/Employee

$479,000

$571,000

$691,000

Compensation/Employee

$262,000

$340,000

$324,000

Earnings per Share

$1.45

$2.98

$7.07

Sources: Company filings, author's calculations.

In all likelihood, 2009's compensation will eclipse 2007's record. That makes people want to scream. That bankers get record pay a year after essentially failing and being saved by taxpayers seems completely absurd. And it is.

Here's my view
Prior to joining The Motley Fool, I did brief (thankfully) stints in investment banking and private equity. This was 2006-2007, when cheap money bubbled out of the drinking fountains.   

At the investment bank, compensation for mid-to-upper level employees was based on deal volume generated. If you put together a $50 million merger, add that to your scorecard. Same with private equity. Private equity firms rarely sell their portfolio holdings, so yearly compensation was typically based on the size of companies purchased. If you helped acquire a $100 million business, add it to your scorecard.

In both cases, you ate what you killed. Employees were paid for performance. This is the argument bankers use to defend their pay: "Yes, we make ungodly amounts of money, but we earn it. Capitalism, my friends."

The problem with this argument is that it doesn't consider what percentage of the "scorecard" comes from bankers' skill and hard work versus factors outside their control, like monetary policy and favorable regulations.

Here's an example: 2006 and 2007 were golden years at the private equity firm. You could finance anything -- anything -- you wanted at ridiculously low interest rates. So-called "deal flow" was endless. Many, many large acquisitions were made, and record compensation followed accordingly.

But were employees earning this pay due to superior intelligence and sophisticated market insight? Ha … ha … ha. Hardly. They were riding a speculative wave of cheap money largely engineered by the Federal Reserve. A large portion of pay was based on factors they had nothing to do with.

This isn't to say bankers aren't hardworking people. There's truth to the saying, "If you don't show up on Saturday, don't bother coming back on Sunday."

But solely attributing their stupendous pay to hard work and skill is fantasy. One columnist recently opined that those decrying banker bonuses "rarely have the numerical skills necessary to put together mergers and trades." Maybe so. But do all bankers themselves have these skills? How about the highly paid mortgage traders whose 2005 models didn't even allow the possibility of declining real estate prices? We can debate whether that took "skill." In many cases, they were simply in the right place at the right time.

That brings us to 2009
Over the past year, substantially all of Wall Street's profits came from fixed-income trading. See for yourself here, here, and here. Moreover, nearly every bank's earnings came from this segment, not just a smart few.

This happened for one of two reasons: (a) Every fixed-income trader suddenly woke up in early 2009 with newfound brilliance; or (b) they're riding the largest wave of cheap money in history, financed by the Fed lending money at 0% that traders then use to buy ultra-safe government securities yielding 2%-4%. Guess which one. Furthermore, Bear Stearns and Lehman Brothers were allowed to die while others seemed chosen at random to be saved, eroding competition for the lucky survivors.

How are these factors -- all completely outside bankers' control -- accounted for when determining compensation? They aren't.

That's what's infuriating about banker pay. It isn't that they're earning mountains of money. It's that they're earning mountains of money based on factors they had nothing to do with. Other companies that employ equally intelligent and driven workers -- Johnson & Johnson (NYSE: JNJ  ) , Google (Nasdaq: GOOG  ) , Microsoft (Nasdaq: MSFT  ) -- never see that kind of advantage. The success of banking, more so than any other industry, is based on privilege rather than performance. 

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  • Report this Comment On January 14, 2010, at 2:36 PM, Fool wrote:

    THIS ARTICLE IS SPOT ON. IN 1993 TAX REFORM EXCLUDED COMPENSATION IN EXCESS OF 1 MILLION FROM CORPORATE TAX DEDUCTIONS. HOWEVER, ROBERT RUBIN USED HIS POSITION IN THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION TO GRANT AN EXEMPTION IN THE BILL TO "INCENTIVE BONUSES."

    THUS THE SKY HIGH BONUSES HE AND THE PRIVILEGED PEOPLE ON WALL STREE FEAST ON ARE TAXPAYER SUBSIDIZED.

    WHAT'S GOOD FOR GOLDMAN SACHS (CITIGROUP) IS GOOD FOR THE USA.

  • Report this Comment On January 14, 2010, at 3:25 PM, Livlancer wrote:

    A student does extra credit and they get a bonus on their test. An employee busts his butt all year and the boss recognizes their efforts with a bonus (a reasonable bonus). An investment banker causes a financial meltdown taking down the foundation of this country, and they get a bonus for that. How does it work? Simple, they tell the world they must retain top talent. That's some talent! They are nothing more than smooth salespeople that have convinced the world how needed they are. No different than an attorney that writes language that only another attorney can understand. Whatever happened to honesty and integrity? Is it really all about entitlement and money? Not to me. I want my children to be successful, but success cannot possibly be measured in wages alone.

  • Report this Comment On January 14, 2010, at 4:40 PM, yttire wrote:

    If you think wages are tied to performance, you are sorely mistaken. I don't think there is anyone who really believes the bankers deserve their pay levels- except the bankers.

    There is no need to justify their pay- it is what it is. The fact that the taxpayer subsidizes their pay is just a sad testimony to the corruption of the system, and the injustice of it.

    But there will be nothing done about it, so griping about it will do nothing really but make one feel self satisfied in having a high moral position.

  • Report this Comment On January 14, 2010, at 5:10 PM, 1wayout wrote:

    "That's what's infuriating about banker pay. It isn't that they're earning mountains of money. It's that they're earning mountains of money based on factors they had nothing to do with..." should read

    That's what's infuriating about banker pay. It isn't that they're earning mountains of money. It's that they're RECEIVING mountains of money based on factors they had nothing to do with....

  • Report this Comment On January 14, 2010, at 5:14 PM, TMFHousel wrote:

    Point taken, 1wayout.

  • Report this Comment On January 14, 2010, at 5:56 PM, emptygestures wrote:

    Give your president a "high-five" for all the stimulus money that went straight into their pockets.

  • Report this Comment On January 14, 2010, at 6:59 PM, bobmeinet wrote:

    This article and 1wayout's comment are on target.

    My dad was a bank officer for 60 years, bank president for 30 years. He always said that the officers of any bank that failed should be taken out back and shot since having a bank charter was almost as good as having a license to steal.

    For those who question a 60 year career: My dad started as as Assistant Cashier at 14yo in 1933 when his dad was given bank stock rather than grandad's $200,000 in deposits and ending on his retirement at 78yo in 1997. That is 60 years when you subtract 4 years in the Navy during WW2.

  • Report this Comment On January 14, 2010, at 7:01 PM, bobmeinet wrote:

    My dad's solution:

    1. FDIC insuraance should be risk based with the rates set via the financial markets with FULL disclosure.

    2. Bank officers should personally put up half or more of their net worth to guarantee bank loans they underwrite.

  • Report this Comment On January 14, 2010, at 8:12 PM, minnjim1 wrote:

    What the public at large is outraged about is that huge bonuses are going to the very people who nearly took down the national and worldwide economies. By any kind of accountability, those workers should be disciplined, demoted, or fired. But the investment banks kept them and gave them big bonuses because the the banks are right back in business with huge leverage, making the same deals that nearly brought down the economy. Either the banks haven't learned anything, or they are blatantly reckless. Either way, they should be re-regulated so disasters like the current one don't re-occur. Oh, wait. The banks spend so much money lobbying congress that re-regulation won't occur in any meaningful way.

  • Report this Comment On January 14, 2010, at 8:27 PM, bgents wrote:

    I do not deny a hard working person being paid a bonus for a job well done, But the bankers in this country can make huge sums of money for making bad decisions and losing large amounts of capitol. I believe the bankers need to have some skin in the game so to speak. The idea of stock options with a pre determined holding period, and a performance factor tied in is an exellent form of bonus IMHO. That way they do not take so much risk with other people's money I.E. the tax paying citizens of this country.

  • Report this Comment On January 14, 2010, at 10:05 PM, Ingebrigt wrote:

    Thank you! A well-written, fact-based account of what has happened in our economy. Will President Obama's shaming them have any effect? I worry that the bankers have no conscience whatsoever.

  • Report this Comment On January 15, 2010, at 12:11 AM, balaray wrote:

    Very well put. I was hoping that the financial regulation would be the answer but after seeing how the credit card reform went through I am now less convinced that any meaningful reform will happen for this industry. Too many in Washington are in bed with this industry. I think salary caps, high tax on bonuses and transaction taxes on any short term trades, hedge funds and traders when crafted correctly can bring some control on the rampant speculation that is prevalent in Wall street. Making this industry boring and less lucrative is the solution to move people into jobs that actually create something. Finance is after all an enabler industry

  • Report this Comment On January 15, 2010, at 12:37 AM, StrongBadFan wrote:

    It's not the bonus that's the problem -- it's the risk!

    Private companies should be allowed to pay whatever salaries they fancy with the proviso that it is the firms capital that is at risk. The reason that banks can pay these outrageous bonuses is because they shed their risk to the taxpayer and FDIC without any premium to the former and insufficient to the latter.

    Financial responsibility dissappears when risk and reward decouple. You can engineer substantive returns with leverage that have a high probability of success and lower probability of a much more spectacular failure. Since the banker does not pay for the failure, why engineer a 5 year run and move on in year 6 when all previous gains are erased.

    The attention to the bonus is misplaced. If we simply reattach risk to the bank's financial activities everything will fall into place. Bobmeinit's suggestion from his father -- risk based FDIC premiums -- is an excellent start.

    The other is to change the government's bailout behavior. Should a bailout be necessary, the first thing to go is ALL SHAREHOLDER EQUITY. And why should the government make the counterparties whole? Counterparty risk belongs with, well the counterparty!

  • Report this Comment On January 15, 2010, at 12:38 AM, disallusioned wrote:

    What ever happened to the days when turkeys were given away as bonuses? Oh, I forgot, they are the turkeys!!!

  • Report this Comment On January 15, 2010, at 2:52 AM, altohorn60201 wrote:

    Why do stockholders put up with these bonuses? It seems to me that they should be the regulators, since these profits should be coming to them.

  • Report this Comment On January 15, 2010, at 3:14 AM, xetn wrote:

    There should be no bailouts, Fed or FDIC. These 3 factors create moral hazard that encourages excessive risk but no fear of failure. Eliminate them and the bankers would face real risk failure and bankruptcy.

    This is the way the system is supposed to work. It is the cost effective way. Taxpayers do not face confiscation of their earnings with this system. This system does not create large budget deficits and cannot result in creating money out of thin air.

    In the final analysis, if you own stock in these companies and you disagree with their bonuses, the sell your holdings. But do not expect the government to hold someone like GS's feet to the fire since they were the largest contributors to Obama and Company. (They will only pay lip-service to the issue such as the stupid tax that is currently being promoted).

  • Report this Comment On January 15, 2010, at 6:27 AM, marktsgooch wrote:

    StrongBadFan has it right.

    Banking bonuses were not the cause of the financial meltdown. That doesn't excuse them - but they just aren't important.

    The real problem is risk. And poor management, systemic failure, regulatory failure, cheap government credit.

    Surely the real and important story here is not the bonuses, but the (lack of) understanding and action taken to fix the system, and prevent a recurrence.

    This excellent article noted the huge gulf between the media headlines & government rhetoric, and the real story of the collapse of AIG. Nothing seems to have changed:

    http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2009/08/aig20090...

  • Report this Comment On January 15, 2010, at 7:41 AM, RavenManiac1968 wrote:

    To me the two things that need to be done are (1) Re-instate the glass/stegall act where a bank is a bank and an investment company is an investment company and (2) break up the too-big-to-fail companies. too big to fail stymies competition and causes huge risk.

  • Report this Comment On January 15, 2010, at 8:31 AM, StrongBadFan wrote:

    There is absolutely no need to dismantle the too big to fail banks nor do we need Glass Steagall. It is the transfer of risk that corrupts the financial system.

    Look at Citi -- the poster child of TBTF. If the government left them on their own (i.e. they can no longer impose risk on the taxpayer) here is what would happen:

    1) Their stock, which went from $54 or so to $3.50, would fall even further.

    2) Their bonds would fall as well and they would have a very tough time finding new investors.

    3) Their only hope would be to spinoff more business to raise sufficient capital.

    4) They would need to convince investors that the risks are under control. If the current management team cannot do this, they would need to be replaced. The investors would have to understand all the risk associated with bank's financial instruments, proprietary trading and derivative trading. If the bank remains secretive, the investors will flee.

    5) This would collar speculative trading and force banks into the business of products that actually provide value. Bonuses will reflect the true value and risk-adjusted returns of the employees work. Bondholders, shareholders and counterparties would be responsible. Isn't this what we want?

  • Report this Comment On January 15, 2010, at 9:22 AM, singhash wrote:

    I see little "talent" that must be retained in a sector that required nearly a trillion dollars of public funds. There may be lego-like "skill" in putting companies together (mergers & acquisitions), but how often is real value created in these situations?

    I find it revolting and disturbingly divorced from reality. I don't think I can be convinced that a beancounter who juggles the numbers while bashing two companies into one is providing a service that is worth vastly more than that of a doctor, a lawyer or even (wait for it!) a teacher.

  • Report this Comment On January 15, 2010, at 10:51 AM, profittkr wrote:

    The problem we are seeing at banks - ridiculous pay accruing to figurehead managers - is unfortunately common across most of corporate America. With the exception of entrepreneurial companies, where the creative genius who started the entity is still in charge, most bosses are nothing but misplaced politicians. The rollup reporting structures like here at GE allow managers to claim credit for all the accomplishments of the working stiffs below them; most of which they never heard of except thru status meetings. Each of these wiz kids is surrounded by a team of yes men who heap praise on the 'leader' while ignoring that the emperor has no clothes so they might be next in the succesion tango. You end up with the most accomplished backslapping blowhards running the company. While a true fix is almost impossible, adopting a system similar to Japan's where the highest paid person is limited to 17 or so times what the lowest paid gets would go along way towards righting the ship.

  • Report this Comment On January 15, 2010, at 10:52 AM, Bonsaiscrooge wrote:

    I am in full agreement. I wonder what reason/excuse the "banksters" will find in future to defend further - I hear them: doubtlessly necessary! - high bonuses to keep talent, once cheap money support from the Fed will end and their real talent will show up...

  • Report this Comment On January 15, 2010, at 11:18 AM, panchocharlie wrote:

    I think you are right !

  • Report this Comment On January 15, 2010, at 11:52 AM, nomdeweb wrote:

    Too bad there wasn't some fine print on those low lending rates that could hike the interest rate to 29% without warning ;)

  • Report this Comment On January 15, 2010, at 12:18 PM, 102971 wrote:

    Anything I add would be superfluous. You have hit the nail on the head. None of these bonuses have been EARNED. Companies should be forced to disclose to shareholders the basis upon which bonuses are paid.

  • Report this Comment On January 15, 2010, at 10:12 PM, CoyoteMoney wrote:

    One more point. That money could go to shareholders in the form of a larger dividend. The fact that the employees decided to keep this money rather than turn a larger portion over to the rightful owners is just one more reason to avoid putting my money into these companies.

    And that just confirms the comment above about the 'license to steal'. They did and they are.

  • Report this Comment On January 16, 2010, at 9:54 AM, ilovesumm wrote:

    If they are talented and therefore deserving of the bonuses then they should be responsible for the collapse and suffer likewise. I don't call record bonuses suffering.

    They can't take praise for the good and dodge the bad.

    Why are these guys paid insane amounts of money when they are doing a JOB just like the rest of us?

    As pointed out above most of what happens is beyond their control thus the talent argument is mostly bunk, so why are they getting paid soo much

    for doing a JOB?

    If they are that talented why don't they go out on their own and fill their pockets even fuller ? Cause they aren't , they are parasites and getting the best meal they can.

    If they are that talented why did they drive the system to colapse and need to get saved? Doesn't make sense.

  • Report this Comment On January 16, 2010, at 10:39 AM, burrowsx wrote:

    The favorable tax treatment of bonuses at all levels of government, actually gives a lower marginal rate of taxation to "supplemental pay" than it would if the bonus were added to salary, at the highest brackets of graduated income tax. This differential treatment of bonus income and salary encourages abuse.

  • Report this Comment On January 19, 2010, at 3:01 PM, litelunch wrote:

    I don't believe anyone should receive a bonus if the company is not doing well. I would cut my salary unfortunatly downsize and concolidate departments. I don't understand why the CEOs get bonuses when the companies they work for are doing bad. Mattel is a good expample. I think some CEOs are getting way over paid. I don't think they should run their company to please the stockholders. Good honest busy will do just fine.

  • Report this Comment On January 19, 2010, at 5:32 PM, venturen wrote:

    You hit it...problem is you don't have a lobbist or expect to go to an investment bank after working in government.

    See Rahm, Tim, Paulson, Rubin or Larry summers for ideas on getting 7 figures upon doing a good job of guiding policy to take from the poor and give to the rich and then going to work for an investment bank of hedgefund. Maybe they can bring Ben along too.

    All investment banks should have the bank charts revoked TODAY.

    Glass- Stegall should be reinstated tomorrow.

    Analyst and traders broken up. All these firms should be broken into parts to make it more fair. Right now they are playing us for fools and not in a good way. The idea that goldman trades on inside analyst information that is then release to the dumb public is repugnant.

  • Report this Comment On January 19, 2010, at 5:35 PM, venturen wrote:

    I have an idea for congress take all bank bonuses for last year as repayment for TARP and guaranteeing all the bad loans and derivatives they made.

  • Report this Comment On January 19, 2010, at 7:46 PM, Tscarpelli wrote:

    Forget "Kill all the lawyers"

    The slogan should be start with all the bankers/brokers.

    They all should be shot.

  • Report this Comment On January 20, 2010, at 9:44 AM, StrongBadFan wrote:

    "That's what's infuriating about banker pay. It isn't that they're earning mountains of money. It's that they're earning mountains of money based on factors they had nothing to do with."

    I agree the bonuses are wrong, but I don't buy this argument at all. In any profitable industry, the top players draw huge salaries because of "factors they had nothing to do with". Peyton, LeBron, Kobe and A-Rod benefit similarly, and we have no issues about their pay.

    If the banks were collectively profitable, I would be fine with any compenstation scheme and leave it to the shareholders to resolve.

    The problem with banks is that they are heavily subsided through near-zero interest loans and the transfer of risk to the taxpayer. Focus on that problem.

  • Report this Comment On January 20, 2010, at 4:40 PM, vrpirata wrote:

    True reason we are in a recession or near depression:

    1. 1920-1929 The Roaring Twenties.

    2. 1929 The Great Depression Starts.

    3. 1933 Reforms are created to avoid another similar crisis (Glass-Steagall Act).

    4. 1999 After mayor Lobbying by the big Banks, Glass-Steagall Act is repealed (Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act)

    5. 2007 A recession like the Great Depression hits again, with about the same fundamentals.

    In other words, the lessons that we learned during the Great Depression were repealed by an Act lobbied by the Big Banks, and signed into law by Clinton. That is the reason this recession and the Great Depression are so much alike.

    Now you know the key turning point that led us into this path, know you know who to blame: Big Banks Greed. Hadn’t the Glass-Steagall Act being repealed, Banks wouldn’t have been able to do the things they did, and we would be in this mess. To avoid repeating this crisis, we need to repeal the Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act and reinstate the Glass-Steagall Act.

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/wallstreet/wei...

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aQfR...

  • Report this Comment On January 21, 2010, at 6:39 AM, Flishiz wrote:

    Banks have a quite clear diminishing marginal utility for any nation's economy. At some point, they can't just grow further, else they start to suck up money from every pore in the nation. "Big Zero decade?" (To quote Krugman's Times op-ed), hardly. The economy is back where it was in 2000, and in some cases, 2002, but I've visited Connecticut several times in the past year, and I haven't seen a frown from Stamford to Westport. Banks need to be reigned in, else the only thing they do is get rich while the nation stagnates...or worse.

  • Report this Comment On January 21, 2010, at 10:17 AM, 7351jay wrote:

    The banks say they have to give them in order to "keep them working for us". The competition pays their people huge bonuses. We will lose them if we don't pay. I say let them leave. If they can all get jobs that pay those bonuses, why haven't they been filled before the great exodus?

  • Report this Comment On January 21, 2010, at 6:06 PM, marc5477 wrote:

    Good article. I agree 100% and I would go farther to say that these banks should still be shut down or be forced to re-organize from the ground up. Once equity has return, all directors and execs should be fire followed by the complete re-hiring of all employees.

    Furthermore, all employees, directors and execs that contributed to the crisis should be outlawed from working in the financial industry for at least a decade. Make them go back to school and learn another skill aside from screwing the public.

  • Report this Comment On January 22, 2010, at 12:18 PM, barleyfield wrote:

    I can't find anything more infuriating in the domestic economy today than banker pay. The arrogance of these bankers is astounding, and they appear to have no understanding of the public's anger at this.

    Obama is today acting belatedly on Volcker's advice but even that may be too little to satisfy an angry electorate.

    I predict that those who defend these vultures (read Geithner and any Senator or Representative) will pay dearly in the future.

  • Report this Comment On January 22, 2010, at 1:15 PM, peterp18 wrote:

    This has been a reasonably sensible discussion of the issue, but I think the real central point isn't that the bonuses are incorrect -- they do reflect the market-defined cost of "talent" in investment banking -- but rather that in today's economy the banks themselves are able to make too much money from their operations, whether it be trading or investment banking/providing advice. From a societal perspective, a large part of the massive pile of bank revenue that comes from trading/brokering and not lending/investing really is a transaction cost on the rest of society. The bonuses are in line with the revenues; the revenues are what are massively off. In reality the well-paid employees do create value, not for society but for the shareholders. They are operating completely within the limits of the standard capitalist society…anyone can apply to work at these places, and earn a job doing the same thing and making the same money.

    Of course, in the 2007-2009 debacle much of this "value created" was lost or determined to never have existed due to poor risk management or incorrect immediate recognition of revenue that was reliant on taking long-term risks. Employees at the time absolutely stoked the revenues without regard to the long term implications, and they were paid based on those immediate revenues that later became losses or were determined to have been spurious. Not all, but the vast majority, of the employees involved in those activities have either lost their jobs or are not getting large bonuses again for a long time. They haven't escaped notice by management or their colleagues, and almost all of the senior executives on watch while these losses occurred have lost their jobs. And rest assured, everyone with a stake - the bad guys themselves, management, and all other bankers at the firm who were behaving prudently and profitably, as well as all outside shareholders - lost massive amounts of wealth via the declines in bank stocks. High earners at most places have for years received 30-50% of compensation in restricted stock with multiyear vesting periods, and most bank stocks are down 60-90% from 2007. Bear and Lehman employees (and outside shareholders), of course, did even worse than that.

    In the end, any government solution shouldn't be directed as usurping the shareholders' rights to determine how their companies are run, but rather at the characteristics of our economy that allow banks to accrue these revenues while not creating value. I wish I had a good answer for how to do that…smaller banks/more competition is one step, but difficult to bring about. A direct tax on revenues/earnings would address the issue, but aside from being a horrible precedent is probably easy to work around and will drive business offshore. Most importantly, America needs to recognize that what banks really need to do more of to push the recovery forward - lend capital to businesses and individuals at economic rates - will not be possible without allowing the banks to operate with a decent amount of leverage. The entire economy is based on the reality that banks lend out more money than they have, and that they take risk in doing so, and get paid back over time.

  • Report this Comment On January 22, 2010, at 5:55 PM, 4manicow wrote:

    Its not just the bonues, its the whole banking system! Fiat currency at the level of the Federal Reserve and the local bank. The Fed creates money out of nothing, then the Treasury issues bonds to buy that money at interest. Local banks practice fractional lending, which alows them to create loans in amounts of about ten times their actual assets. Then there is the whole practice of counting debt as an asset--the bank will calculate the amount of the loans as assets! We have a system where what we call money is based on debt rather than tangible assets, and this debt is created by a keystroke, yet we have to work to earn the moeny to pay the taxes to pay the interest on the debt. And the politicians have no problem with more debt, as to do otherwise would inflict immediate pain and make them unpopular. Well, the pain is coming with the collapse of the system.

  • Report this Comment On January 22, 2010, at 9:26 PM, Davy103 wrote:

    All I know is that none of my funds have made any gains worth speaking about over the last five years. I wonder where are all the profits going? Maybe to all the heads of financial institutions.

  • Report this Comment On January 22, 2010, at 9:32 PM, Davy103 wrote:

    There shouldn't be a banker out there getting any bonuses or increases in salaries until all the investors' portfolios are back up to where they should be. I feel that Obama actually cares about the way the ordinary investor is getting screwed, but whether he can do anything about it is another question. Not sure that there is enough security around him to protect him from the evil doers.

  • Report this Comment On January 22, 2010, at 11:10 PM, 0123Abc wrote:

    Panic, endangers everyone?

  • Report this Comment On January 23, 2010, at 12:32 PM, Winnerfrommidlan wrote:

    If I'm remembering right, it was the high leverage and bad mortgages made by folks like Countryside that caused the main problem. The first banks that failed were the highest leverage with Bear Stearns at 30 to 1 and Lehman at 24 to 1. When the government saw the ramifications of letting Lehman fail, they realized they had to work out saving the rest one way or another. It would seem that making new rules on mortgages and restricting leverage to less than 10 to 1 could eliminate a future repeat. I think these gambling operations that banks do with their funds, and earn these big bonusses for the employees also need to be restricted. Motley Fool should send this whole article and discussion to the President so he gets input from non-bankers.

  • Report this Comment On January 23, 2010, at 8:43 PM, bmccrary wrote:

    I agree with Ravenmaniac. Banks need to be banks and investment companies be investment companies. It makes the banking business boring but at least we will know our money is safe and the risk is where it should be - at the investment companies. Banks have a fudiciary responsibilitiy to their customers. Most Americans do not understand investments or banking and it is those folks that are really sufferring through all of this.

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