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Hi, everybody. I'm Jim. I used to think value investing was dumb.

("Hi, Jim," I hear from everybody.)

It all started in 1999, when I began investing amid the furor of the dot-com bubble. I had decided to buy shares of Outback Steakhouse, which had declined from $30 per share to around $25. Outback was a growing and popular restaurant chain at the time.

I threw my whole wad of grad-student cash ($3,000) into the transaction -- my first ever -- on the now-defunct Suretrade. I watched and waited for a quick return to $30.

The market climbed and climbed. Stocks from Web companies with the flimsiest of business models just kept soaring. Price to earnings? How about price to eyeballs? eToys' losses be damned! But even tech stocks with decent models hit the ceiling whenever an analyst raised a price target.

And meanwhile my real, live bricks-and-mortar business -- fully profitable and growing, mind you -- continued to fall.

Yes, friends, I soon succumbed to the siren song of quick bucks and filthy lucre promised by momentum investing (without really finding either for very long). But it seems to work great for some, so I want to highlight three rationales for momentum investing.

1. Why should I wait to be wealthy?
Indeed, why? All else equal, I'd rather have a 10-bagger next week than at some indeterminate time in the future. And with momentum investing, the upside volatility -- the type of volatility no one complains about -- can be immense and quick.

Longtime investors in Netflix (Nasdaq: NFLX  ) should congratulate themselves. They've seen shares skyrocket more than 1,200% since late 2004. And among that group of happy investors is Motley Fool co-founder David Gardner, who picked the media company then for Stock Advisor subscribers. To be fair, David didn't select the stock as a momentum play, but rather because he saw the vast opportunity sprawling before Netflix.

The company still has tremendously bright prospects, and its subscriber base is growing faster than a weed on Miracle-Gro. After a huge run-up, Netflix now sits among the top 20 on the IBD 100, Investors Business Daily's weekly list of the hottest stocks. And so it's become a darling for momentum investors, who have pushed the shares up to 67 times trailing earnings. At that rate, every dollar in earnings turns into $67 in shareholders' pockets.

Some investors love this type of momentum play: the rising multiples backed by strong earnings and a seemingly limitless future. Baidu (Nasdaq: BIDU  ) has seen earnings grow by 74% annually over the past three years and now sports a 93 P/E. Its dominant position in the Chinese portal market is drool-worthy.

You've seen a similar performance out of other momentum darlings, such as Chipotle (NYSE: CMG  ) and Apple, whose business franchises continue to rock the world. Chipotle is now developing a new restaurant concept and going international.

2. No long-term exposure to the market (especially good if the market declines)
Many momentum investors like the fact that they're in and out of the market repeatedly, picking their spots for quick gains and then going on the lookout for more perfect setups. And if you're consistently able to choose profitable scenarios and not married to your positions, then you're able to move up when the market does and stay out when it's falling. Why hang on to Baidu or Netflix in late 2008 and endure weeks of declines?

3. Momentum stocks are more exciting
No question about this one. Momentum stocks are more exciting. Tell someone you invested in Ditchdiggers Inc. at a bargain basement price of five times earnings and watch the yawns flutter out. Value investing is boring. On the other hand, you can regale others with your purchase of the hottest gadget maker of the past decade -- Apple -- and you're the envy of the neighborhood. And even Apple at 20 times earnings, a cash hoard of tens of billions, and some interesting growth prospects could be a value investment, albeit not a traditional one.

A pitch for value investing
But do the stocks already reflect that great performance? Each of these four companies mentioned -- Netflix, Baidu, Chipotle, and Apple -- numbers among the top 20 stocks on the IBD 100. Following the highfliers will never be a system that works for me. You know what happens to stocks once they drop off the IBD list? They crash. Hard. Especially the top stock. But, you say, you can get out before they fall. How do you know beforehand that a temporary price decline won't become a full-fledged swoon? That's exactly the problem: Momentum investing has no true exit strategy. Why should a P/E of 67 or 93 be the correct valuation? Investors may bid the valuation higher, but they might finally decide not to.

The appeal of the "next big thing" certainly must have been attractive to long-term holders of Sirius XM Radio (Nasdaq: SIRI  ) , who endured years of operational losses that led to massive stock declines. But the company became a great value candidate in early 2009, after being bailed out by opportunistic investors, and now it's sitting on four straight quarters of profitability. And it's up more than 20 times in value since then.

I need to know that a stock is cheap with a good degree of certainty (so that I can buy more if it declines), and a value-based methodology provides that discipline. Add in the bonus that a lot of value stocks pay dividends, and you're looking at a potential market-beating proposition with a higher certainty of gain. Here are a few value stocks, some of which I own.

Take mortgage REIT Annaly Capital (NYSE: NLY  ) , which makes money on the interest rate spread and has paid out a 15% dividend over the past year. With the bond markets pricing in almost no inflation for the next five years and then only moderate inflation for another five, the macroeconomic conditions seem to be in favor of this payout continuing for some time. It trades at a price-to-book ratio of 1.2.

Another high-yield value is Frontier Communications (NYSE: FTR  ) , which sports a payout of 8.2%. After recently acquiring operations from Verizon, Frontier is going about consolidating the business, and the market seemed to like its most recent earnings report. In the report, the company projected even more synergies from the deal than originally estimated.

Altria (NYSE: MO  ) is also on the list, trading at 14 times earnings. The company has committed to pay out 80% of its income as dividends and has one of the best-known brands in Marlboro. Competition is limited by heavy regulation, and the high return of cash to shareholders is a huge positive.

I'd also add two companies that have dominant positions in their industries: McDonald's and Microsoft. The first has a cache of hidden assets, while Microsoft has a stranglehold on a few of its markets and trades at just 12 times earnings. Both are committed to paying increasingly large dividends, as I detail in the above links.

Foolish takeaway
And what if I had held onto my shares of Outback instead of selling them to buy the popular stocks of the day? Well, in four years Outback had nearly doubled my buy-in price -- but I was no longer in it -- and then it finally got bought out in early 2007. A double coming out of the dot-com bust? Really.

I chased the Johnny-come-lately highfliers. And then I crashed. But I'm now recovering. Every day I'm recovering. And I'm on the value-investing wagon; I buy only cheap. What about you?

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Jim Royal, Ph.D., owns shares in Frontier, Microsoft, and Annaly. Microsoft is a Inside Value recommendation. Baidu and Chipotle are Rule Breakers choices. Apple and Netflix are Stock Advisor recommendations. Chipotle is a Motley Fool Hidden Gems recommendation. Motley Fool Options has recommended a diagonal call position on Microsoft. The Fool owns shares of Altria, Annaly, Apple, Chipotle, and Microsoft. Try any of our Foolish newsletter services free for 30 days. We Fools may not all hold the same opinions, but we all believe that considering a diverse range of insights makes us better investors. The Motley Fool has a disclosure policy.


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  • Report this Comment On November 15, 2010, at 1:00 PM, keithlamber wrote:

    You are simply arguing that value "trading" is dumb and value investing is smart

  • Report this Comment On November 15, 2010, at 1:27 PM, Boatyzaffa wrote:

    Jim,

    Great insight on value investing. I too started investing the same way, buying momentum stocks and cashing them out at a loss. Today, I buy stocks that are cheap based on fundamental analysis; and if they get cheaper, I buy even more :) Thanks for writing the article.

  • Report this Comment On November 15, 2010, at 3:46 PM, doublearon00 wrote:

    I am new to investing, I think value investing is the right strategy for me. How do you find or screen for value stocks?

  • Report this Comment On November 15, 2010, at 4:33 PM, BearishKW wrote:

    doublearon00...look for low P/E ratios then go one further and find the PEG ratio. Invest in companies with PEGs less than 1 that are trading at low P/E multiples.

  • Report this Comment On November 15, 2010, at 4:54 PM, Iamnobody wrote:

    As a holder of Annaly for 3-1/2 years I have seen it appreciate 13% which is better than a decline but the didvidends have been great.

    The Dot com error was exciting and a great ride until .....

  • Report this Comment On November 15, 2010, at 5:29 PM, neamakri wrote:

    your article is okay, but: 67 times trailing earnings means you must invest $67 to earn $1. thus

    "At that rate, every dollar in earnings COSTS $67 FROM shareholders pockets."

    I own Altria (MO) stock so have to agree on that choice. Thanks for the article.

  • Report this Comment On November 15, 2010, at 11:37 PM, pillback wrote:

    There is no doubt that value investing and looking for bargains in the stock market by buying "cheap" stocks (according to valuation) has proven to be a good long term strategy in the past. However, lets face it, this isn't the 1980's,1990's, or even early 2000's anymore. In a market where technicals, economic data, momentum and growth, clearly move a stock more than "value", anyone looking for value is definitely under-performing. Many people who bash momentum and technical trading generally do not understand it. They either get in to late, get out to late, do not have the ability to read technicals (or just flat out ignore them), get to emotional, or just don't have the discipline to accept a nice % profit. These stocks also fall first because when the market gets temporarily overbought, since most people have the largest profits in these stocks, these are the ones that get sold first. To trade these stocks, you need to do way more work than to just be a "value investor". Searching for yield does work if you are very good at it, but if you put in the work, growth and momentum can prove to be much more profitable.

  • Report this Comment On November 16, 2010, at 11:17 AM, MonkeyFish912 wrote:

    Wow! Back in the day, Motley Fool was all about value investing. Now it's dumb? Times really have changed.

  • Report this Comment On November 16, 2010, at 11:35 AM, RegLeCrisp wrote:

    'The ability to read technicals': are you offering a seminar, pillback? My favorite technical indicator is the double entendre, made a small fortune off of it but then lost is all by trying my hand at value investing.

  • Report this Comment On November 16, 2010, at 12:10 PM, CPACAPitalist wrote:

    MonkeyFish912 did you even read the article?

  • Report this Comment On November 20, 2010, at 2:04 PM, StarWitchDoctor wrote:

    i like the did you even read the article question that pops up so frequently...

  • Report this Comment On November 21, 2010, at 11:29 AM, aleax wrote:

    @pillback, we do agree this is NOT the '80s and '90s: the 1980's/1990's were the ONLY twenty-year span in the history of the US where growth investing outperformed value investing. In every other twenty-year span, before and after that historically anomalous blip, value investing has been by far the best way to go.

    O'Shaughnessy's "Predicting the Markets of Tomorrow" shows that very, very clearly from a top-down strategy-mix allocation perspective (and is very cheap at Amazon right now, though his other books are quite interesting too, if you're into top down strategies and allocation-based mixing) (a similar treatment of large-cap vs small-cap and how best to mix them is also there -- large-cap growth stocks in particular were the jewels of the 80's/90's and the poison in every other 20-years span.

    I'm very oriented to bottom-up vs top-down strategies (analyze SPECIFIC firms' fundamentals, financials, business details, and prospects), and in a bottom-up perspective I strongly disagree with your statement that trading on momentum and technicals is "way more work" than the deep analysis needed to unearth real value. (For macro-, top-down strategists they're on a par in terms of work needed -- pretty low in either case; indeed many chartists love playing e.g. just on QQQ, exactly because that's a single security to look at candlesticks, moving averages, Bollinger bands, and whatever else for, with very good liquidity [inc. on their options] compared to any single stock, and yet volatility enough for potentially juicy profits -- and after all, IF all that matters are the technicals, QQQ or pork belly futures or NFLX or whatever makes no intrinsic difference, right? i.e. in that hypothesis it matters not a jot if you even know what business you're buying and selling, just what ticker!-).

    Bottom-up value investing (in good part but not exclusively in dividend-paying stocks) is the core of my portfolio -- maybe about 50% of my allocation, with the rest being in other mixed-in strategies also including some bonds, convertibles, preferreds &c as "ballast", some long-short paired trades for further reduction of volatility and of correlation with the overall market's ups and downs, and, of course, a few bottom-up selected growth plays -- selected on FUNDAMENTALS, and in a 3-5 years perspective, of course (IOW, I read and study Value Line, definitely NOT Investor Business Daily;-).

  • Report this Comment On November 21, 2010, at 12:01 PM, aleax wrote:

    @Jim, I'm hardly a momentum investor (indeed my blog is mutnemom.blogspot.com -- mutnemom because that's the REVERSE of momentum;-), but your statement "Momentum investing has no true exit strategy" is not correct -- the typical "exit strategy" of the pure momentum is called a "stop loss order" (Ken Fisher in "Debunkery" jokes it should be called "stop gains", as you're letting a temporary dip take you away from a stock that -- depending on its fundamentals, which a pure momentum player ignores -- might well be poised to rebound mightily... but, that's PURE momentum in action for you!-).

    Hardly a new idea, either -- Nelson's 1902 book "ABC of stock speculation" describes momentum trading (not by that name) with stop loss orders as one of the two main speculation strategies then prevalent in the stock market, the other being value oriented (buying MORE of a stock as it goes down, because your value analysis assures you that it IS going to go back to its intrinsic value and meanwhile you're averaging down your basis and getting more and more of a bargain with each dip).

    Nelson also explains that the second strategy is the way really substantial money is made in the stock market, by the way. There is nothing new under the Sun, whatever the perennial claims "but this time it's different" (which ring out on EVERY new financial fad and fashion, and have for many centuries now as Reinhardt's and Rogoff's book by that title illustrates so well;-).

    Anyway, if you believe in the predictive power of "support" and "resistance" levels, then logically a stop loss order just below support (and maybe a limit buy just above resistance to add to your position) SHOULD work (it does not in the real world, but that's simply because the belief is wrong -- if the belief was correct, the technique WOULD work;-0). If and when you have profits on the trade, say at least 10%, the exit strategy can become a trailing stop loss order (automatically reset to, say, 10% below the highest price the stock has touched so far).

    If the stock does not breach either resistance or support for a while, i.e., it trades quite within a narrow channel for a time, that (per chartists' credo) warns you that a big break is coming EITHER up or down, so you may choose to tighten your stop loss arrangements, or maybe (unless you have other reasons to want to bet on the direction of the breakout!) dispose of the stock and switch to directionally-neutral option strategies on it (ones that make profits if and when a big-enough breakout happens in EITHER direction) such as a long straddle or strangle.

    See? Plenty of exit strategies available! Whether they WORK for the intended purposes, of course, is another issue (basically connected to the question of whether pure momentum, as a strategy, works AT ALL;-).

    BTW, even for a value investor (whose basic decision to get into a stock or out of it is focused on in-depth analysis of a firm's business and the intrinsic value the stock SHOULD therefore have), a modicum of technical analysis (esp. to guide a little strategic use of options IN SUPPORT to the basic strategy of "owning good, undervalued stocks";-) can help a bit (if the technical ideas have ANY predictive value, and some DO -- breakouts from channels tending to more extreme movements based on duration of the trading-in-channel phase, and volume considerations in support of those, de facto do better as predictors than random chance would) -- not to direct the overall choice of stocks, but definitely to help direct the timing or pricing of getting into and out of a position to try and avoid very bad timing/pricing decisions (e.g. the "being right, but way too early" curse that's so typical of the good analyst of fundamentals;-).

  • Report this Comment On November 21, 2010, at 4:25 PM, Mary953 wrote:

    Two years ago, I knew absolutely nothing about investing and the stock market. I have learned from the good people at the Motley Fool - and most of what I learned has come from asking questions and getting very good answers from lots of great Fools. Please don't ever stop arguing your points. You help the new and the almost new like me. I learn something everytime I log on here. From the 'store of knowledge' that you have helped me to gain -

    I have a problem with the "Value investor VS Technical Investor" argument. I use a blend of the two, looking for good strong companies that have the management skills and stake in the company, the good buisness models, the market share, the ability to service a real need and do it well. Most of all, I look for companies that do something I understand. Otherwise, I won't know how well they do!

    I buy those stocks that qualify through this process (you have actually named 40% of the stocks in my 'active trading' account). Then I watch the technicals for the S&P and Elliot Wave Charts and set stops if I see a set-up for a severe drop in the market. I am protected, and it means that I miss those big drops and get a chance to buy back on the dips.

    Jim, you mentioned what would have happened if you had just left your money in Outback. Yes, you would have made money eventually, but there are other great stocks out there that would have yielded a good deal more than you could have gotten for Outback. You were trying to get the most for your money. It made sense to find a growing company. Then again, I am spoiled by the fact that you all have pointed me toward more good companies than I could afford even if I wanted to invest in them. You probably didn't have smart people offering you good companies and helping you through the jungle of statistics and reports.

    Above all, No Regrets! (You can "if only" yourself into a state of depression) .

    Perhaps the best lesson is that you can invest and leave the money invested if you are wise and careful about your choices. You can never invest and just walk away expecting that the money will be there in a couple of decades and that it will have made friends with lots more money for you! (Did I just describe pensions?)

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