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3 Investing Lessons From the Poker Table

Despite the fact that you might hear investors say that they're making a "bet" on a stock or that they "doubled down" on an investment, a battle rages about how similar investing and gambling really are. Some argue that there's little difference between, say, handicapping horses and investing in equities, while others bristle at the idea, and say that when you treat investing as buying a piece of a business there's no comparison.

I hate to disappoint, but I'm not going to stick my neck in the middle of that debate.

But whether we agree that investing and gambling are similar, there are some general ideas from the game of poker that can be adapted quite well for investing. And, heck, if there's the possibility that it'll make you a better investor, is it worth fretting about the source?

Lesson 1: You don't have to play every hand
One of the quickest ways to make your chip stack disappear in poker is to blindly play every hand dealt to you. In a 10-player Texas Hold 'em game, you're only forced to bet 20% of the time, and even then they're only small bets. You can throw away every other hand that's dealt to you if you want, and it won't cost you a dime.

But why would you throw away any cards? Well, a two of diamonds and a six of clubs can theoretically become a full house, but you start out with the odds stacked heavily against you when you play a hand like that. Waiting for something like a pair of kings or a queen and jack of spades gives you a much better chance of seeing a return on the money that you're wagering.

The same holds true for investing. There's a possibility that CIT Group (NYSE: CIT  ) could magically avoid bankruptcy and return a bonanza for shareholders. Or Sirius XM Radio (Nasdaq: SIRI  ) could finally prove the critics wrong, start posting huge profits, and watch its stock fly. But let's face it, both are long shots, and if you're looking for solid, predictable returns to build a retirement nest egg, throwing piles of money at either stock is probably not the best idea.

On the flip side, companies like Pfizer (NYSE: PFE  ) and Honeywell (NYSE: HON  ) positively ooze predictability and solid returns over the long run. Investing in companies like these -- assuming you're paying a fair price -- simply gives shareholders a much higher probability of seeing returns from their investment. And, heck, investors don't even have to wait for rewards since both currently pay dividends that exceed the yield on 10-year U.S. Treasuries.

Lesson 2: Play your cards right
Kenny Rogers immortalized yet another lesson that we can take from poker when he sang: "You got to know when to hold 'em / know when to fold 'em / know when to walk away / and know when to run."

In both poker and investing, you're faced with continually changing information. The best poker players and investors are those who not only make the most accurate analysis of the available information, but use that analysis to drive good decision making, whether that's -- in investing -- buying, selling, or just sitting tight.

IBM (NYSE: IBM  ) is a great example of the constantly changing tides that investors can take advantage of. The company had one of the truly great growth stocks in its early years and delivered impressive gains. But not all that long ago it faced some major challenges as the PC market commoditized and its bread-and-butter mainframe market turned into a sleepy niche.

More recently, IBM has found a new life in transitioning to offering higher-margin software and services. Just like recognizing when you have a possible straight flush developing and betting accordingly, investors who figured out what was going on at IBM and invested accordingly have been handsomely rewarded. Over the past five years, its stock has substantially outperformed the S&P index.

Lesson 3: Be choosy with your "all-in" moments
It's certainly exciting to watch a poker pro push all of his chips into the middle of the table and call "all in." But it's important to remember that top-notch players have run through a bunch of mental math to determine that the odds are heavily in their favor when they make a call like that.

Having all of your money invested at all times can be one of the easiest ways to go about investing, but it can also put you at a disadvantage. Not only will you absorb the full brunt of declines such as the one we've been living through, but it also leaves you with very little dry powder to invest when stocks do fall. However, with just a little more activity and attention, investors can keep an eye on stock valuations and adjust how much they have invested based on how pricey the market is.

If your all-in moments are restricted to times when the market is trading near or below its long-term average valuation, then you can shift the odds of market-beating returns further in your favor. Fortunately, there are many great tools available for tracking the overall market's valuation, including my favorite, professor Robert Shiller's 10-year average P/E spreadsheet.

When it comes to individual stocks, though, the picture is a little bit different. Although elite investors like Berkshire Hathaway's (NYSE: BRK-A  ) Warren Buffett can make comments about being willing to go all in on Wells Fargo (NYSE: WFC  ) , most mere mortals are best served by avoiding an all-in call -- having their entire portfolio -- on a single stock.

Putting away the cards
While having a working knowledge of poker might help bring some of the lessons above to life, you don't have to ever play a single hand to put them to work. To review, here are three of the investing lessons that we can take from the poker table:

  1. Wait for the best investment opportunities -- there's no harm in passing on a stock if you aren't convinced that it's a worthwhile investment.
  2. Always be on top of new information and be willing to take action when necessary.
  3. Going "all in" in your portfolio should be reserved for when market factors are highly attractive.

You can take these three lessons and start putting them to use right now. However, if you want to see how seasoned investors use these principles to create investing success, then you may want to check out the Motley Fool Inside Value newsletter. The advisors at Inside Value may not be poker pros, but they are valuation experts, and I see them using the lessons above in their stock-picking decisions. You can try out Inside Value absolutely free for 30 days.

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Fool contributor Matt Koppenheffer owns shares of Berkshire Hathaway, but does not own shares of any of the other companies mentioned in this article. You can check out what Matt is keeping an eye on by visiting his CAPS portfolio, or you can follow Matt on Twitter @KoppTheFool. The Fool's disclosure policy knows that pocket aces are great, but still only give a 31% win rate in a 10-handed game.


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  • Report this Comment On July 25, 2009, at 10:50 AM, catoismymotor wrote:

    Contrary to what Mr. Roger's said in his song you should ALWAYS count you money when you're sitting at the table. Otherwise you'll get yourself in a heap of trouble for no other reason than to look brazen.

    Good article, Matt.

    +1 Rec!

  • Report this Comment On July 25, 2009, at 11:00 AM, Fredlee009 wrote:

    Hey Matt.

    Why would a .40 cent stock need to post HUGE profits to fly? Define "fly". Up 20 percent? Amazing return. 30 percent? Wow. Incredible return. 100 percent? Once in a lifetime return. So you are saying there is no way this stock gets to .60 cents unless they POST HUGE PROFITS? Are you sure your a financial write? Because this article leaves me with many doubts. How many companies trading under $1 post HUGE PROFITS, and then take off? Ill be waiting for your list.

    Market doesnt work that way. They just need to show they are growing again, and post ANY time of profit, or break even scenario, and the stock will go up 100 percent from here. So your right dont buy a stock at .40 cents UNTIL they post huge profits. By then, it will be trading at $2 a share, and you would have MISSED THE TRADE. Wow. Who edited this article and said I like it!! Run with it.

  • Report this Comment On July 25, 2009, at 11:02 AM, Fredlee009 wrote:

    Its been trading as high as .63 cents before posting crap for profits. That would be a 50 percent gain. Id say thats "flying" to me. Now right before a CC, your telling new money to avoid this stock. I will email you when your wrong. Everyday until a retraction story is written by you how horrible wrong you are. And since SiriusXM is UNCOVERABLE by your own rules, why do you guys write about it all the time? Whats your agenda here?

  • Report this Comment On July 25, 2009, at 12:32 PM, MadmanontheMoon wrote:

    WOW..where do i start....I am NEW MONEY AND I am going to make $100,000 off this stock....this is probably the 5th best price area any one will see on this stock for a while.... $0.05 was ultimately the best but that was highly highly volitale, $0.15-$0.20 was awesome, wish i could have gotten in then....but are people dumb or what, HOW CAN IT NOT go to $1.00????if it goes to a buck. cha ching, but i wont dump , maybe ill sell 5k shares, not all my shares....remember, there are thousands of people invested at much higher prices in relation to what its a t now....so the suckers are the ones who dont at least take a chance in this one. BUY AND HOLD, the more individuals own the stock, the better the chance the nanosecond computer transactions will have a smaller impact on the stock. Just a thousand bucks gets you 2500 shares...dont put all ur money into it, but take a chance, make ur own decisions, BANKRUPTCY is old news, what march , february..we are in July, the company is not strong, but is trying to sustain itself through raising capital..its taking steps to survive and hopefully thrive. also what good will a reverse split do now, 1 for 10 at minimum makes this stock $4, who will buy then, no one, so a reverse split probably wont and shouldnt happen. 1/50 means $20 a share....then i say bye bye instead of buy buy.....also please dont compare this to poker, it all just comes down to who has deeper pockets....and who has the brass balls to step into the ring.....LONG SIRI and not for $$$..i want this US COMPANY to succeed..stop the bashing, ur not helping any situations, and anyone dumb enough to short this stock now, GOOD LUCK..and lastly..PFE and IBM are not the best places for dividends..i have a list of 20 stocks that pay $1.00 or more....knowledge is power $$$$$ laters.

  • Report this Comment On July 25, 2009, at 12:38 PM, MadmanontheMoon wrote:

    THEY SHOULD ALL BE SAYING BUY BUY BUY...THEN EVERYONE WINS!!!! instead they say avoid avoid avoid..well u aint my financial adviser so stop giving advice and stop writing so many articles about XMSIRI if u hate them so much

  • Report this Comment On July 25, 2009, at 1:00 PM, piggybank819 wrote:

    I think there are money to be had from every different category of stock trading or investing. I don't see why buying something at $1 will not give a great return. Just buy when they are pools of blood everywhere on the wall street and the main street. For example, anyone missed Ford at $1.01 a share? Now is being traded at over $6. Anyone missed Goldman Sachs when it was $47 a share? Now is being traded at over $164 a share. So, what is the difference between buying stocks that are penny stock category and stocks that are not penny stocks? The only thing is that one has to know where the money (the newly printed money from the government) are going to. Those who get first-hand of these newly printed money (stimulus money) will want great return for them. Stock market is the first place for high return and that is what happening now that we see indexes going up almost each recent days. Money keep flooding the worldwide markets. While Main street is still full of blood everywhere with more people to be laidoff, Wall street is already in the recovery tone everywhere in the world. Forget about penny stock or not. Buy some homebuilder stocks before they come back, most of them are penny stock now. Get in or miss the train to great wealth in the 21th century fashion. Or buy bonds and see it goes up 5% every year. I prefer buying Goldman at below $60, which I did. And I prefer buying Ford at below $2, which I did. And I prefer buying Beaver Home at below 50 cents, which I did. And see my portfolio now. The only thing about stock market, look at the in-flow and out-flow of institutional money. You wait for good new to come out then buy, by then the stock that you want to buy will be 5 times as much already.

  • Report this Comment On July 25, 2009, at 5:07 PM, dstnewman wrote:

    You write: Always be on top of new information and be willing to take action when necessary

    So, why don't you take your own advice and actually get up to date on the new information available for Sirius XM? It is priced for bankruptcy, but as of February, bankruptcy is off of the table for AT LEAST 3 years.

    The company has never made a penny in profit, I will admit. But that was the OLD news. You will see on August 6th when Sirius holds their Q2 Conference Call that they will at least post a quarterly profit by the end of the year, and probably will be profitable for full year 2010.

    Going back to your poker analogy: Do you want to wait until you have a made hand (and everyone else knows it) before betting? Or do you want to place a bet before the hand is made, knowing that the odds are wanderfully in your favor?

    Don't be a FOOL and let this opportunity pass you up.

    http://www.satwaves.com for unbiased, honest Sirius XM discussion.

    - Newman

    newman@satwaves.com

  • Report this Comment On July 25, 2009, at 7:13 PM, aroyal64 wrote:

    You leave out perhaps the most important element of betting in poker-- POT ODDS. If you bet a small amount for the chance of winning a proportianately larger amount, it might be worth while to play below average quality cards. For instance, making a play on CIT may be a smart bet because, although the chances of its success are low, the amount of money needed to invest is much lower than the potential return. That is to say, if CIT doesn't go bankrupt, investors may see very large returns from smaller investments. This parallels the logic of a poker player who needs to make a $10 call to have a chance to win a $500 pot; even if he doesn't have the best cards, the pot-odds make this a viable decision.

    To see this principle in action, try watching the world poker tournament and see how many players will only bet/call when they have AK or pockets.

  • Report this Comment On July 26, 2009, at 12:37 PM, MadmanontheMoon wrote:

    POT ODDS----- playing pot odds poker will gradually drain ur stack....i love playing with people at casinos who call and say ."well Im getting great pott odds" then u know what happens, i raise all in and they fold...Pot Odds poker is joke..keep playing that way...ur not doing yourself any favors...and it has nothing to do WIth Siri Xm.....this stock is a no brainer....dont wait for it to go to $1.00 make it happen, its not going anywhere with talk..talk is cheap, buy or get away from SiriXm.....its not if, its only WHEN it gets to $1.00...peace

  • Report this Comment On July 27, 2009, at 3:33 PM, DiscoFinance wrote:

    STOCK SHOCK

    The movie that helps explain all this (especially with SIRI) now on DVD (for sale only) called: Stock Shock:-The Short Selling of the American Dream. ENTERTAINING AND EDUCATIONAL. Well worth the $. Amazon has Stock Shock.

  • Report this Comment On July 29, 2009, at 7:33 PM, MaskedFinancier wrote:

    This is an interesting article by Matt and the theme is one that I am in total agreement with - there are many lessons that a wannabe investor can learn from poker.

    But I think that Matt is missing one of the greatest types of learning that an investor can experience from poker.

    Playing poker seriously shows a person how to deal with analysing risk in a rapidly changing situation and how to put money at risk and how to deal with losing money.

    The last point there is probably the most important. Lots of investing education talks about the possibility of losses. But no education actually teaches an investor how to experience losses.

    Playing poker can help an investing student to go through the highs and lows of winning and losing money - just like in the investment market.

    So when you go to buy those IBM shares, when they go offside 10 minutes later you won't panic and dump them, but react with some level of calmness and hopefully make the right decision.

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