Vuzix (VUZI) Q2 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

Vuzix (VUZI -1.49%)
Q2 2023 Earnings Call
Aug 08, 2023, 4:30 p.m. ET

Contents:

• Prepared Remarks
• Questions and Answers
• Call Participants

Prepared Remarks:

Operator

Greetings, and welcome to the Vuzix second quarter ending June 30, 2023 financial results and business update conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A brief question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. [Operator instructions] As a reminder, this call is being recorded.

Now, I would like to turn the call over to Ed McGregor, director of investor relations at Vuzix. Mr. McGregor, you may begin.

Ed McGregor -- Director of Investor Relations

Thank you, operator, and good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to the Vuzix second quarter and 2023 ending June 30 financial results and business update conference call. With us today are Vuzix CEO, Paul Travers; and our CFO, Grant Russell. Before I turn the call over to Paul, I'd like to remind you that on this call, management's prepared remarks may contain forward-looking statements, which are subject to risks and uncertainties, and management may make additional forward-looking statements during the question-and-answer session.

Therefore, the company claims the protection of the safe harbor for forward-looking statements that are contained in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Actual results could differ materially from those contemplated by any forward-looking statements as a result of certain factors, including but not limited to general economic and business conditions, competitive factors, changes in business strategy or development plans, the ability to attract and retain qualified personnel, as well as changes in legal and regulatory requirements. In addition, any projections as to the company's future performance represent management's estimates as of today, August 8, 2023. Vuzix assumes no obligation to update these projections in the future as market conditions change.

This afternoon, the company issued a press release announcing its second quarter 2023 Financial Results and filed its 10-Q with the SEC. So, participants on this call who may not have already done so may wish to look at those documents as the company will provide a summary of the results discussed on today's call. Today's call may include certain non-GAAP financial measures. When required, reconciliation to the most directly comparable financial measures calculated and presented in accordance with GAAP can be found in the company's Form 10-K annual filing at sec.gov, which is also available at www.vuzix.com.

I will now turn the call over to Vuzix CEO, Paul Travers, who will give an overview of the company's operating results and business outlook. Paul will then turn the call over to Grant Russell, Vuzix CFO, who will provide an overview of the company's second-quarter financial results. Paul will then return to make some closing remarks, after which we'll move on to the Q&A session. Paul?

Paul Travers -- Chief Executive Officer

Thank you, Ed. Hello, everyone, and welcome to the Vuzix Q2 2023 conference call. On this call, we are going to review our operating results and recent developments and then give you some perspective on where we see things headed in the second half of 2023. Our Q2 revenue was $4.7 million, representing an increase of 56% compared to the previous year and up 12% sequentially from the prior quarter.

Product sales, driven by our Smart Glasses was a record $4.4 million, representing an increase of 53% compared to the previous year. During Q2, we recognized OEM revenue of $0.3 million related to the delivery of optical components and Waveguides. At the same time, the number of engagements, which should ultimately result in significant business going forward for Vuzix has been expanding at an amazing pace. As you can see, 2023 is off to a strong start with first-half revenue up 61% over the first half of 2022.

As we enter the back half of '23, we remain bullish on our full-year prospects and believe we are well-positioned to achieve continued overall record revenues for the full year. Now, I'd like to get into some details on what we are seeing on our various business areas. Vuzix Smart Glasses are being called upon to enhance productivity across markets in a multitude of environments and configurations. We are witnessing underlying Smart Glasses industry growth as companies get more engaged and focused on solving long-term operational challenges and improving productivity with Smart Glasses-based solutions.

This is occurring in most of our markets, including warehousing and logistics, healthcare, remote support, and Industry 4.0 in general. The progressing trends toward broader enterprisewide rollouts from key Fortune 100 accounts is exciting for Vuzix in the enterprise Smart Glasses industry in general. Vuzix has numerous existing accounts that are expected to continue to roll out plans for Smart Glasses in an expanded way over the second half of this year, especially in warehousing and logistics. These early adopter accounts represent a core business that understands and is adopting wearable technology for the proven ROIs and productivity KPIs that the technology affords.

At the same time, we're targeting more value-added channel partners that have established ecosystems of integrators, ISVs in larger end customers. During the second quarter, we successfully continued to expand our global sales channels with a focus on solution selling and enablement to deliver better service and support to the end customer. Expanding our global channel is obviously important for our long-term growth as it allows Vuzix to effectively multiply our sales team with minimal investment in core regions across the globe with world-class partners. ASK Corporation headquartered in Tokyo is one such value-added channel partner joining Vuzix during the second quarter.

ASK Corporation provides products, services, and solutions to enterprise computing, consumer commercial, and professional users across a variety of industries from healthcare to automotive, effectively creating a significant increase to Vuzix sales, service, and support infrastructure in the Asian region. There is little doubt that the use of hands-free augmented reality solutions in enterprise, medical, defense, and ultimately by consumers is the wave of the future. At the same time, companies are aligning their future strategies around AI-enabled Smart Glasses. The expected ubiquitous use of AI in areas such as education, e-commerce, healthcare, communications, defense, security, and more.

You can see that AI is everywhere, will fit hand to glove with AR Smart Glasses. AI-enabled Smart Glasses, we feel are going to significantly enhance human capabilities in many ways. Examples include visual search, language translation, voice control, on-the-fly back checking, hearing impaired solutions, sign language Smart Glasses, human enhancement in the workforce with applications from visual picking to pallet packing. The list goes on and on, and we are just getting started.

And this marriage of technologies should accelerate the need and use cases for lightweight wearable AR Smart Glasses. We're already starting to see AR Smart Glasses with AI-based applications and use cases gaining traction in both the business and consumer markets. On the OEM products and engineering services front, Vuzix has a growing list of opportunities in the queue with new and existing customers. Vuzix is starting to get recognized by the market as both a U.S.-based OEM and OEM supplier as companies are turning toward Vuzix to not only potentially supply Waveguides and optical components, but also complete product designs for wearables.

Over the last year, Vuzix began to ramp up our efforts around our OEM design and manufacturing group to streamline our efforts to respond to request for quotes for our Waveguide-based solutions. In many cases, customers are also looking at display engines to drive images into the Waveguides. We have been investing in new equipment and enhanced production processes. The expansion of our Waveguide manufacturing into a new separate facility with significantly increased capacity to support Waveguide-related production needs for Vuzix and our third-party OEM customers will allow us to build more Waveguides faster and less expensively.

To be clear, we are already in production of Waveguides, and in parallel this fall, Vuzix will open its one-of-a-kind Waveguide, mega factory that is dedicated to the production of Waveguides in volumes ultimately in the millions of units annually. The flexibility of our new technology and Waveguide design capabilities now allows Vuzix to spin a full custom design in as little as three to four months, while other companies can take 18 months for a new design, if they will even do it. Others can only offer a one-size-fits-all solution, which is not suitable for most OEMs, particularly those intending to enter the broader consumer markets. Additionally, the few Waveguide competitors we do have are not domestic and tend to use expensive semiconductor equipment that results in lower volume capacity and noncompetitive cost structures.

We are fueling new interest to develop with the ultimate goal of producing Waveguide-based solutions for the defense, commercial aviation, enterprise, and even the broader AR consumer markets. Within each of these markets, we see significant opportunities that can leverage our know-how and core technology that have been developed over the last 25-plus years of Vuzix. The defense, head-mounted display, or head-up display markets today consists mainly of night vision devices and head-mounted information displays. Waveguides and display engines are needed for all kinds of applications around information access in the field and are becoming critical, whether it is in the form of AR computing or advanced see-through night vision systems, access to the right information at the right time generally wins the day.

The head-mounted display portion of the defense market is just getting started but is expected to grow significantly as new technology offerings are designed in and adopted over time. In defense, Vuzix has major customers that have been or are developing our Waveguides into their head-mounted programs. Some are desiring full-custom Waveguides and display engines while others will employ our standard Waveguide and display engine offerings. We continue to anticipate several of these defense accounts to move from R&D projects and begin scale production by the end of this year and going into the first half of 2024.

On the Waveguide front, we have made some recent advancements that can allow us to manufacture large format Waveguides that are many times bigger than that needed for AR glasses and head-mounted displays. The ability to produce large-format Waveguides should open up new markets for large-format heads-up displays that are required for use in conventional vehicles to aircraft cockpits, just like the heads-up display in the windshield of a luxury car. Specifically, the aviation industry is a market that already has incumbent HUD solutions in the cockpit, both in the defense and commercial markets. Our Waveguides and microLED display engines taken together can offer a significant reduction in the needed space and cost to implement the heads-up display within the precious little physical space available inside most aircraft.  We have received serious interest and look forward to providing further details as new programs are expected to get started soon.

While the consumer AR market is still in its infancy in terms of volume, billions of dollars are being poured into R&D by major tech companies trying to solve the challenges required to miniaturize the technology for the needed fashion-forward designs that people would actually wear. The race for them to secure the supply chain and key components to bring fashion-forward Smart Glasses to market is well underway. We continue to receive strong interest from a diverse group of companies, including fashion brands, telecoms, social media firms, sports, and gaming, and we look forward to providing further details once their new programs get started with Vuzix. Similar to the adoption curve offered by the modern-day smartphone, the expectation is that the consumer AR market will rapidly develop and ultimately become a multibillion-unit market.

The Ultralite AR platform announced earlier this year utilizes the latest microLED engines and Waveguides from Vuzix and is packaged into a form factor that we feel will finally appeal to the broader markets. We have been meeting with many potential customers across the globe where we showcased our Ultralite platform. The interest abroad, as well as domestically, from ODM and OEM solutions from Vuzix around our Waveguides and Ultralite platform is strong. Vuzix Ultralite platform-based solutions will be in production by the end of this year, and we expect we'll be going to market with several OEM brands through 2024.

The Vuzix patent portfolio currently includes 329 patents and patents pending, an impressive 50% increase over the last 24 months. This breaks down to 178 issued patents and 151 pending applications, in a variety of geographic areas. Our portfolio covers a broad range of technologies and includes a significant collection of fundamental Waveguide design patents and applications. We have a combination of both patents and trade secrets regarding nanoimprinting, process equipment, and materials like polymers, adhesion promoters, and release agents that are critical to how we can produce in volume in that low cost.

Bottom line, we feel Vuzix has a strong intellectual property position in many of the critical areas of AR Smart Glasses. The soon-to-be fully operational Waveguide mega factory is dedicated to the production of Waveguides in volume. We believe it is one of a kind in the world today. The new facility will focus on the advancement of higher index materials, advanced glass substrates, and unique formulation technologies.

The required power infrastructure has been installed and turned on at the factory and Waveguide production equipment is being moved in and qualified. We expect the new facility to be operational in the fall of this year. This new facility provides an additional 12,000 square feet of manufacturing space adjacent to our existing plant with an optional 27,000 square feet to grow into. The new facility is designed to support our latest Waveguide technologies, increase our unit capacity significantly, and lower the unit volume manufacturing costs of our Waveguides.

Our ability to design and fabricate Waveguides in high volume and at low cost, we believe, should be second to none. Ultimately, both lower unit cost and the ability to manufacture in volume are two critical requirements to overcome to support the needs for a broad AR Smart Glasses market and Vuzix is positioned to get it done. From specification to design, to mold production to replication, to test incentive system integration, we do it all in-house in our New York facility. We can customize a ground-up system based on specifications, offer a reference design, or provide design parameters so we can build to print based on a customer's own and unique Waveguide layout.

We can make them small or large. We can turn the design around quickly, and our expertise and capabilities in this area are unmatched. Waveguides and ultimately, microLED displays are essential components for lightweight AR Smart Glasses and other wearables. We believe our increased capacity, lower-cost Waveguide offering, and our ongoing investments in next-generation microLED displays will fortify Vuzix's position to play a critical role in an industry that should ultimately represent many billions of dollars of revenues annually.

As a reminder, the ability to produce RGB microLEDs on a single substrate that still have high-efficiency color remains elusive. However, there have been varying degrees of success to date by some microLED manufacturers with single-color displays, but just fairly to an acceptable level, and no one is shipping anything that's full color in an operational range yet. Because microLEDs are so strategic and fit hand-to-glove with the optical Waveguides, we feel it is critical to attempt to secure the supply of cost-effective high-volume fabrication of these devices. To that end, we have fortified our microLED efforts by establishing working relationships with several of the most advanced vendors in this space through both partnerships and investments.

Many of which we will not publicize for competitive reasons. Of course, the highest profile development in this area is the technology license and development agreements we signed with Atomistic roughly one year ago. While we have been short on specifics to date, I can say that Atomistic with its very novel approach is making great progress. The microLED design process takes time and portions of the fabrication process will use very complex and customized equipment that had to be designed from the ground up.

We will have more to share with you as this all unfolds, but suffice to say, Atomistic's technology has great potential to create incredibly advanced full-color, high-efficiency microLED displays. Displays that have the potential to upend the entire Smart Glasses industry and, quite frankly, the display industry in general, with very compact, full color, exceptional brightness, and all-day battery performance to be incorporated in a fashion-forward Smart Glasses form factor that everyone will wear. To recap, we feel that Vuzix is one of the outstanding leaders in the AR industry today, and it is evident in multiple areas. Our business is seeing expanded growth on the top line.

Vuzix is one of the fastest-growing enterprise product solutions in the market. Vuzix has critical Waveguide technology from design to a one-of-a-kind mega factory for high-volume production at broad market-enabling price points. Vuzix has a major stake in what should prove to be the most advanced microLED display technology available, solving for the critically needed high-efficiency full-color displays for the ultimate AR glasses solution in the future. Bottom line, we feel we are positioned well to win and see significant growth in our enterprise value going forward, especially considering we believe we are a company that is a cornerstone to a market that is touted by industry experts to ultimately be greater than $1 trillion-plus within a decade.

I'd like to now pass the call over to Grant for his financial review. Grant?

Grant Russell -- Chief Financial Officer

Thanks, Paul. As Ed mentioned, the 10-Q we filed this afternoon with the SEC offers a detailed explanation of our quarterly financials. So, I'm just going to provide you with a bit of color on some of the numbers now. Our second-quarter total revenues for the three months ended June 30, 2023, was $4.7 million as compared to $3 million for the prior 2022 period, an overall increase of 56%.

The revenue increase was primarily the result of higher M400 product sales, which increased 53% year over year. Sales of engineering services for the three months ended June 30, 2023, was $0.3 million as compared to $0.1 million for the same 2022 quarterly period. We currently have remaining performance obligations of approximately $0.1 million on a current Waveguide development project, and we anticipate starting a new OEM project with customers in Q3 of 2023. There was an overall gross profit of $1 million or 21% for the three months ended June 30, 2023, as compared to a gross profit of $0.3 million or 9% for the same period in 2022.

The improvement was due to our increased sales, which enabled greater absorption of our relatively fixed manufacturing overhead costs. Research and development expense was $2.8 million for the three months ended June 30, 2023, versus $3 million for the comparable 2022 period, a decrease of approximately 5%. The decrease is largely due to a reduction in external development expenses and consultants related to new products. Selling and marketing expense was $2.5 million for the three months ended June 30, 2023, versus $1.9 million for the comparable 2022 period, an increase of approximately 36%.

This increase was primarily due to higher salary and benefit expenses associated with increased headcount as compared to the previous year's period. Dental and administrative expense for the three months ended June 30, 2023, was $4.3 million versus $5 million for the comparable 2022 period, a decrease of approximately 15%. The decline was primarily due to a decrease in noncash stock-based compensation expense. Depreciation and amortization expense increased to $1 million for the three months ended June 30, 2023, versus $0.4 million in the prior year's period.

The bulk of the increase was due to the amortization of the technology license with Atomistic, which only began midway through Q2 of 2022. The net loss for the three months ended June 30, 2023, was $9.4 million or $0.14 a share versus a net loss of $10 million or $0.16 per share for the same period in 2022. Now, for some balance sheet highlights. Our balance sheet remains strong with cash and cash equivalents of $48.6 million as of June 30, 2023, and a net working capital position of $61.5 million.

The overall net cash flows used in operating activities after the net changes in operating assets and liabilities was $7.9 million for Q2 2023 versus $4.6 million in the comparable 2022 period. The bulk of this increase was due to a $3.4 million increase in accounts receivable in the quarter. Excluding noncash items and changes in working capital, our cash burn from operations, a non-GAAP measure for the second quarter of 2023 was $4.8 million versus $5.5 million in the prior year's period. Cash used for investing activities for the second quarter of 2023 was $6.8 million as compared to $8.2 million in the prior year's period, with the bulk of these investments being a $6 million payment toward our Atomistic technology licensing fee commitments.

As of June 30, the company continues to have no current or long-term debt obligations outstanding other than the currently outstanding licensing fee commitments to Atomistic of $3.5 million, which will be fully paid during the second half of 2023. Looking forward to the balance of 2023 and '24, we are confident we have the resources to execute on our growth business plan and further invest in our future. I would like to make a few comments in this regard. Firstly, our total cash usage over the past year included ongoing investments in equipment and our new Waveguide production facility, as well as significant payments related to the Atomistic technology licensing fee commitment.

These expenditures will be significantly less in the second half of 2023. Looking forward to 2024, we expect to see continued moderated investment levels, but perhaps further increases in our working capital investments as our business continues its strong growth trajectory. With that, I would like to turn the call back over to Paul.

Paul Travers -- Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, Grant. As our revenues continue to grow, our line of sight to achieving profitable operations gets nearer. We expect the pace of our growth in the coming months and quarters will continue. And with our shift more to third-party channel partners and resellers in our Smart Glasses segment, this will slow the growth in our sales and marketing costs, which have grown the fastest of all our cash operating costs.

And of course, we will be looking at further ways across the company to reduce cost and improve productivity so we can bring as much income as possible to our bottom line. It is a focused effort for Vuzix and as Grant just said, we have all the resources we need to execute our plans going forward. With that, I would like to now turn the call back over to the operator for Q&A.

Questions & Answers:

Operator

Thank you. And ladies and gentlemen, at this time, we will conduct our question-and-answer session. [Operator instructions] Our first question comes from Matt VanVliet with BTIG. Please state your question.

Matt VanVliet -- BTIG -- Analyst

Good afternoon, guys. Thanks for taking my question. I guess first on the Smart Glasses unit volume growth, especially on the M400 side. I wonder if you could just give a little bit more detail in terms of what market verticals you're seeing the most success in that's really driving those rates? And then in terms of either orders already in or orders expected for the second half, what market verticals do you think will drive performance in the second half as well?

Paul Travers -- Chief Executive Officer

Hey, Matt, thanks for the question. The interesting thing about our Smart Glasses products, right, it's a wearable computer, and there's a lot of places that it can be used. There are, however, several places that seem to be leading the pace here at Vuzix, I'm sure everybody has seen how much the medical community are embracing our glasses these days. That's definitely an area where we see growth happening.

Same time, the supply chain with warehouse picking and packing and there's just a plethora of areas we're moving boxes around with hands-free ability to pick is important. So, that's another accelerating piece of the business, and it's across multiple accounts on both of those areas. And then finally, general our remote support is a big deal, right? Because in fact, it's even green, I was in Japan last two weeks, three weeks ago at an ESG conference speaking there, and there were four or five companies that gave presentations, and it was all about how Smart Glasses can be used for the environmental kinds of and social side of things at the same time, quite frankly. So, the whole idea of remote support, saving money, not putting people on airplanes, and the like.

So, it's across those and some of the areas are from automotive manufacturing. And of course, we've all heard about guys like Amazon and the like. So, it's pretty broad-based, Matt. It's not just any given one.

Some of those, though, the -- we really expect to see some significant uptick over the next six months-plus because some of these guys are -- they're no longer on POCs, they're actually rolling out.

Matt VanVliet -- BTIG -- Analyst

OK. Very helpful. And then on the OEM side, I guess, what are the metrics that we should be looking for or the announcements for orders that might convince you to continue to take the extra space available to you on the new manufacturing facility? And sort of layered within that question, what are the additional costs that we should assume that eventually kind of layer in on top of maybe what the current costs are today?

Paul Travers -- Chief Executive Officer

First, let me give you a feel for what's possible out of the 12,000-square-foot that we already have in place. This is a Class 1000 and better clean room facility that was put in specifically to manufacture in volume for us. This facility, just by itself, will get us over a million Waveguides on an annual basis. In fact, with the multiple shifts, it could be a few integers more than that so one, two kinds of numbers.

Now, if you look at the makeup of the hop of flow and what market flow they would go in, some of these markets are defense-related, and you might sell a Waveguide solution with an engine for somewhere between $3,000 to $7,500 apiece and some of those guys have volumes like 2,000 to 4,000 kinds of annual numbers. So, there's a significant amount of revenue that should be high margin that will come out of that facility, and that's only a small piece of the overall kind of volume that we can produce out of this time. The broader markets, on the other hand, are going to need much higher volumes. Admittedly, comes with those higher volumes is the price points will need to come down.

We still will garner significant margin, we believe, out of those higher volume opportunities. But right now, for the next year plus, I would suggest we're in pretty darn good shape just with what we have. That said, we can 3x our capacity from where we are right now in the same building when we need to move into the rest of it. The numbers, you can add them up pretty easily if you just make a little spreadsheet there and look at the fence and look at those kinds of numbers, and you can see that it's in the many, many millions of revenues on an annual basis.

So, you should not see some music, we need to expand beyond where we're at in this footprint that we have today, and Grant can talk to this a bit more. But there's just a little bit more that we're kind of cleaning up by the end of this year, but generally speaking, you're not going to see the level of capex and expenditures that we've had to put in to get the plant floor to where it's at.

Grant Russell -- Chief Financial Officer

And Matt, Grant here. The incremental expense we're looking at for the -- our Becker Road Waveguide plant is around $60,000 a month for the -- we forecast for the next six to 12 months. Clearly, if the business is there, and we got to run multiple shifts that will go up. But that's really covering our fixed costs of the new plant and a bit of supervision.

The existing waveguides are being moved out of our existing plant across and integrated into that. So, there'll be some economies, but it's not going to be significant.

Matt VanVliet -- BTIG -- Analyst

OK. Very helpful. Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from Tyler Burmeister with Craig-Hallum Capital. Please state your question.

Tyler Burmeister -- Craig-Hallum Capital Group -- Analyst

Hey, guys. Thanks for letting us ask a couple of questions. I guess, first, Paul, it sounded -- excited about the opportunities we have going into the back half of the year. With your pipeline and visibility there, I guess, would you be comfortable expecting to see continued sequential growth through the back half of the year?

Paul Travers -- Chief Executive Officer

It sure looks that way, Tyler. Yes.

Tyler Burmeister -- Craig-Hallum Capital Group -- Analyst

Perfect. Thank you. And then --

Paul Travers -- Chief Executive Officer

Pipeline of business that -- in fact, it's exciting to see just in our standard product side, but I will also say that you should see a nice uptick in the engineering and NRE side of the OEM business. The OEM business is kind of interesting today in that we -- there are so many companies coming now that really like our Ultralite platform that they're buying our standard Waveguides out of that platform and our engines out of that platform and looking at developing rental for them to get started, the engineering fees are less. That said, there are some other programs that definitely will be significant that also will be coming on broad, knock on wood. I mean, we're literally in the throes of final agreements here.

So, you should see the OEM kick in also in the back half.

Tyler Burmeister -- Craig-Hallum Capital Group -- Analyst

That's perfect and leads into my next question, too, and kind of a follow-up on that. Talk a little bit more about the OEM opportunities, optimistic about these at least multiple or I think you said multiple opportunities that are going to begin ramping in the second half and into next year. These type of defense contract opportunities that you just stated could be multiple thousands of dollars ASPs with potential for tens of thousands used over time. And if that's over time, what should we expect kind of initial order next year, hundreds of units, still potentially thousands of units? Any help maybe frame and that would be great.

Paul Travers -- Chief Executive Officer

First of all, it's not just defense going into next year, I believe. In 2024, you will see pretty broad-based mix of customers in the OEM side of our business. Excuse me, maybe some flavor for that, some telecom, some fashion brands, and all those kinds of things. And in the defense side of the business.

And on the defense side of the business, these things are like pulling teeth on time. They take a long time to find they get right in the role in production. We've talked about this with any several accounts that have been so darn close, and that continues to be the case. So, we're pretty confident that by the end of this year, going into next year at the latest, early part of it, we'll have at least one defense customer that's going into production.

And the price points are in the $5,000 to $7,000 kinds of costs, excuse me, not costs, sale price. And we expect that to roll next year, and it should be in the hundreds of units kind of things. The whole year would add up to maybe 1,000-plus kinds of numbers, and you should see the engineering services side of it going up because they're literally a pile of accounts that we have working relationships with. Some of them have -- many of them have already bought and others on the are saying, look, now that we got this, we want to customize it, please.

Can you do it like this and what we're quoting on those kinds of things. So, it's a pretty broad-based piece of business and you could imagine that with the size of it, and I'm not trying to be disparaging on our standard products business. I'm super excited there, too but this thing, I've said it before, could be the tail wag in the dog. The OEM side of our business could end up being very, very significant.

Sorry, that's a lot to knock on. Sorry.

Tyler Burmeister -- Craig-Hallum Capital Group -- Analyst

No, I appreciate the color and putting some parameters on that. Maybe just last question, pivoting a little bit. Highlights on the PAM portfolio continues to grow. Obviously, besides protecting our IP, protecting your developed products that you're selling.

Any thoughts or updates to try to monetize those through licensing or some sort of IP partnership like that? Any color there would be interesting. I think. Thanks.

Paul Travers -- Chief Executive Officer

We really don't want to take our inertial properties and put them in a box and go license them out. That said, the transactions on the OEM side of our business come with effectively a license to the intellectual properties that are needed to put our products into the marketplace under the brand names of these other companies. So, in a way, there's a portion of the sale price that comes with that. But what we're not doing is -- and there's some people that have asked that the last thing we're interested in doing right now is setting somebody up where we get $1 a unit for a license fee.

Tyler Burmeister -- Craig-Hallum Capital Group -- Analyst

Perfect. That makes perfect sense. That's all for us. Thanks, guys.

Paul Travers -- Chief Executive Officer

You bet.

Operator

Our next question comes from Jack Vander Aarde with Maxim Group. Please state your question.

Jack Vander Aarde -- Maxim Group -- Analyst

Great. I appreciate the update. Thanks for taking my question. Paul, I guess I'll start with just a question on how you expect maybe if you look forward in more production starts ramping up, how do you expect your overall revenue mix to kind of look in 2024, 2025, maybe in terms of defense, enterprise, and consumer?

Paul Travers -- Chief Executive Officer

Right now, you can see that it's enterprise-based. M400 is leading the charge for Vuzix. And through the end of this year, I would -- well, like now it's like 90%, I believe, I don't know the exact number, but it's 90-plus percent that is all enterprise-based. I think you'll see in the back half of this year, the OEM side of our business start to move the other way.

It will grow to maybe as much as 20% in the back half. I don't know. I hate to throw out numbers like that because it's hard to drop where it might really end up. I will tell you, though, from a book business perspective, there's a fair amount of it that we should see here in the back half of this year.

When some of these programs on the OEM side kick in, and it takes time, unfortunately, is hard to gauge exactly when, but I believe you'll start to see the OEM catch up to our growing enterprise business next year. So, you'll see enterprise continue the lift. You'll see more and more places that are deploying. Our channel partners are doing a great job of helping us to expand our business.

But then you'll also see more and more OEM customers come on board. And I wish I could give you, Jack, a great -- well, this is where we see it all out and up right now. I can only tell you there is a nice pile of customers that are in our pipeline on the OEM side of the business. And these are not customers that talk about making 5,000 or 10,000 pieces on an annual basis.

It doesn't work for them. That's not business for them. So, it should represent a significant growth area for Vuzix. Wish I could tell you a more hard data point this yet, but I think we'll see more and more as this year and going into next year unfolds.

Jack Vander Aarde -- Maxim Group -- Analyst

Great. No, I appreciate the color. I have two more. Just kind of on that same topic.

Just trying to understand if you can help remind us how Vuzix is going to market or plans to go to market overall with -- in terms of the consumer vertical? Is it going to be under the Vuzix brand in addition to designing frames for other brands? Just can you provide maybe a high overview of all the different approaches on the consumer vertical? Thanks.

Paul Travers -- Chief Executive Officer

It's more like the ODM/OEM model, where these guys come to us, we supply key components and/or white-labeled solutions. Some of these companies coming to us don't even have an engineering team. There are more companies that know how to move products in the marketplace and in those cases, now engineering team, they want as much done by Vuzix as we can possibly do. Some of these guys have no optics team.

So, they need the optics engines, but they have other stuff. If you look at this Waveguide space, any company that's making Waveguides today has put hundreds, if not in the billions of dollars in the trying to figure how to make wave guys. We bring that to the table for a lot of companies. What we don't want to do is compete with those guys.

And quite frankly, I've been in this business for a long time, where you're in retail, and you fill Best Buy with a bunch of products and after Christmas hits and you get it all back, that's a train rack. And we don't -- Vuzix doesn't want to be there. We don't need to be there. We've got the secret sauce to enable other partners to move these products into the marketplace, and we plan on having those kinds of relationships in the broader consumer marketplace.

In the enterprise side, you will see a continued flow of products that are sexy, fashion-forward, ruggedized for the enterprise space. But in the broader markets, you're going to see partnerships and OEM relationships not Vuzix-branded.

Jack Vander Aarde -- Maxim Group -- Analyst

Got it. That makes a lot of sense, and I appreciate the reiteration of color there. And maybe just one more for me, maybe for Grant. On the gross margin front.

Just kind of what are you -- what are normalized levels from your view on both the product and engineering services gross margins. Do you see an uptick in gross margin going forward on both -- for both revenue streams? And why is that? Thanks.

Grant Russell -- Chief Financial Officer

Well, our goal is clearly to get as close to 40% as possible. I mean, right now, we're not there, but that's going to take higher revenues where we can absorb our overhead costs at a greater level. I mean, we made some progress. The 21% we reported this quarter is our best in a long time.

And clearly, at this stage, engineering services are more profitable than our own product sales because we don't have -- we don't assign the same level of fixed manufacturing overhead costs to those product offerings. When we get to actual production -- again, it's going to depend on the account. Defense customers, you can usually command a much higher price and which results in a higher margin but of course, the volumes are less. And on the consumer base, let's say, OEM or ODM relationship, we would be looking at a much lower margin.

However, total should be much greater because the units -- they would ultimately move, we hope, would be greater. So, it's going to be a mixed bag depending on our overall revenue mix. But defense has the biggest margin commercial engineering services, we always get at least 50%. Products components is probably going to be less, particularly when we get into consumer-oriented products.

And our Smart Glasses today, I mean, when we sell them on a stand-alone basis, we're getting in the 50% plus, but we have the overheads and other costs to deduct per GAAP. So, it's all related to volume, and we hope to get there sooner than later.

Jack Vander Aarde -- Maxim Group -- Analyst

Got it. Very helpful. Well, congratulations on the continued top-line momentum, guys. I appreciate that.

Thank you.

Paul Travers -- Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, Jack.

Operator

Our next question comes from Jim McIlree with Dawson James. Please state your question.

Jim McIlree -- Dawson James Securities -- Analyst

Thank you, and good evening. I want to understand a little bit better the mix on the Smart Glasses. Is it mostly M400 or is there anything else that's meaningfully contributing to revenue this quarter?

Paul Travers -- Chief Executive Officer

Yes. It's mostly M400. I will say, though, Jim, that we're seeing positive momentum in our Blade side of it also, and there are some portions of our Shield business that is looking like it's starting to ramp nicely. So, it takes time for the optical CT systems and decisions around them to be finalized.

And if you think about the M400 being around for three or four years now, whereas the Shield and the Blades have only been around for the last, what, Shields a year at most, and we've been shipping that just to the developer community so far. That's falling into overdrive here in the fall of the year. And we don't normally advertise the mix of products that we're selling for competitive reasons but without doubt, the M400 is the front-runner right now with the other two resources coming up from the back.

Jim McIlree -- Dawson James Securities -- Analyst

OK. Great. That's helpful. And you talked about a large format Waveguide.

I'm trying to understand if the large format Waveguide is tied to these OEM projects that you are expecting to either consummate or begin production in the second half of this year. That is, do you need to get the large format Waveguide finished, qualified, tested, etc., before those projects can move forward?

Paul Travers -- Chief Executive Officer

It's definitely a new process for us, but it works. So, a full-up volume reduction program probably does need a little bit of work, Jim, but it's not science, it's just turning the crank quite frankly. It's not critical for our core business for any of our wearable technology, etc. This is a new opportunity that gets opened up for Vuzix.

The Waveguides that are in a pair of glasses like the Shield, right, they're like a 50-millimeter diameter or less. Like lens in a regular pair of glasses, which is really cool, but we now are capable of making things that are like 10x much bigger than that even. We could make a 72-inch television-sized Waveguide kind of a thing. I'm just exaggerating a little bit there, but it can be quite large.

And with these, you can do all kinds of things that are not head-mounted display-related. Very, very quickly though, something that's related to a head mount of display is a heads-up display. It's a very easy extrapolation to go from something that's two inches diameter to, let's say, six inches by eight inches kind of a thing and make it a window that you can look through as like a heads-up display in your car. And it's exciting because there's a big market opportunity, especially in aftermarket and the stuff like that for heads-up displays in all kinds of vehicles.

From aircraft to luxury calls, to a Volkswagen Beetle that want an upgrade to have a heads-up display in it kind of a thing you might imagine, right? So, it's not something that's cornerstone for our OEM business. It's just something that we can do now, and we have more than one customer saying, you guys can do this, we would buy from our OEM group, those kinds of solutions and volume from you.

Jim McIlree -- Dawson James Securities -- Analyst

And so, is it reasonable to expect that a large format Waveguide would contribute to revenue? It sounds like it's at least a year away. Is that -- is my time frame correct on that?

Paul Travers -- Chief Executive Officer

You will see engineering services NREs before that. Knock on wood, you should see it before, right?

Jim McIlree -- Dawson James Securities -- Analyst

OK. And I just want to confirm something that you said, you're expecting additional OEM contracts or NRE or services revenue in Q3, although the contracts that you have right now, they're kind of -- you're pretty much delivered on all of them. Is that right that you're expecting to start some more before the quarter ends?

Paul Travers -- Chief Executive Officer

We've delivered the bulk, but these guys are in discussions with us about Phase III kinds of stuff, etc. So, yes, you're just going to see some more continuation of programs that we've already made some announcements regarding -- and one of them was very public with companies like L3Harris. You'll see follow-ons on those, and you'll see new companies coming on board. It's a growing piece of business for us, Jim.

It's a growing piece of business. So, it's new, and it's folks that have been with us for a bit now.

Jim McIlree -- Dawson James Securities -- Analyst

All right. Very good. Thanks.

Paul Travers -- Chief Executive Officer

This business is only really a year old for Vuzix. Anything we were doing previously that was ad hoc, somebody knocked on the door. We have an active emphasis going on now, so it's starting to pick up.

Operator

Thank you. And ladies and gentlemen, we have reached the end of the question-and-answer session. And I will now turn the call over to Paul Travers for closing remarks.

Paul Travers -- Chief Executive Officer

Well, I'd like to thank everyone for your interest and participation on today's call. We're looking forward to the ribbon-cutting ceremony for our Waveguide mega factory this fall, and please look for us at multiple investor conferences we'll be attending throughout the rest of this year. Have a nice evening, everyone. And again, thanks for joining the call.

Operator

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Call participants:

Ed McGregor -- Director of Investor Relations

Paul Travers -- Chief Executive Officer

Grant Russell -- Chief Financial Officer

Matt VanVliet -- BTIG -- Analyst

Tyler Burmeister -- Craig-Hallum Capital Group -- Analyst

Jack Vander Aarde -- Maxim Group -- Analyst

Jim McIlree -- Dawson James Securities -- Analyst

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