In this podcast, Motley Fool host Dylan Lewis and analysts Jason Moser and Matt Argersinger discuss:
- Why there's so much cash sitting on the sidelines right now, and why it may or may not work back into the market.
- Blackrock and Fidelity getting in on the newly available Bitcoin spot ETFs, and how they could create problems for Coinbase.
- Earnings updates from industry leaders Prologis, Taiwan Semiconductor, Morgan Stanley, and Goldman Sachs.
- Two stocks worth watching: Globus Medical and RPM International.
Also, best-selling Author Dan Pink takes ideas from his books and applies them to the modern topics of AI, employee motivation, and what the modern office is really for in an increasingly hybrid world.
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This video was recorded on January 19, 2024.
Dylan Lewis: The Cointucky Derby is on. Motley Fool Money starts now.
It's the Motley Fool Money radio show. I'm Dylan Lewis. Joining me over the airwaves, Motley Fool Senior Analysts, Matt Argersinger and Jason Moser. Gentlemen, great to have you both here. ... We've got updates on the state of investment banking, some curious snacks in foot long form, and of course stocks on our radar. But we are kicking off today with a stat that should have investors attention. Jason, according to the Wall Street Journal, there is 8.8 trillion with 80 trillion sitting in money market funds, CDs and other variants of cash. Why should we be watching this?
Jason Moser: Well, I mean, I think we've been talking about over the past. It feels like, I guess the past 15 years really this idea that with interest rates always just running so low that the only real option out there for investors looking to make money was in the stock market, I mean, that played out in market valuations through the years. There weren't that many alternatives, and now that's changed a little bit with the interest rate policy doing what it's done. I mean, we're seeing now obviously mortgage rates through the roof, but the upside there is that it's giving investors another alternative, for a lower risk, a little bit more certainty in regard to returns there, and so these money market funds start to look more attractive, and you can see why funds would flow in there, at least temporarily or on a shorter term basis. That's fine. I think a lot of people may be look at investing in sort of this monolith. It's like these are your investing dollars and you're putting it all toward this goal which is usually retirement, and the way you do that is investing in the stock market. But the reality of the situation is that we all have a lot of different things we're trying to do with our money over the course of our lives, and so different strategies may come into play. But generally speaking, we, of course, like taking that long term view, hanging on to great businesses for long stretches of time. I think, when I see things like this, it makes me think about the dangers of getting in and out of the market based on something like an interest rate policy. It's OK if you're looking for a place to park your money. But all in all, if you're looking to make meaningful wealth, you need to stay invested. I mean, there's data out there that shows that Hartford funds and Morning Star data out there, if you missed the market's 10 best days over the past 30 years, your returns would have been cut in half and missing the best 30 days, your returns would have been reduced by 83%. It reminds me of that old Seinfeld episode, the car reservation bit. You remember that? You got to be able to hold the investment done. That's the key. Anybody can just buy them. I'm buying them here. You're buying them. Everybody's buy. You got to hold them. That's where the returns come from.
Matt Argersinger: I think a lot of the maybe the hidden point of the Wall Street Journal article and what investors are thinking is this adds a bit of a hedge to the market. If there's all this cash on the sidelines at some point, especially when rates fall, all this cash is going to run back in and it supports the stock market. I actually think it's going to be stickier this time around. Remember two big forces here. Rates were near zero for so long that you have a generation of investors, especially younger investors that have never earned anything on their savings. I mean, this is like a new thing. Then I think second, you've had the 2022 bear market, which was really hard. I think that's still fresh in a lot of investors' minds, particularly those on the older side maybe who are close to retirement or in retirement. Are they necessarily eager to jump back in the market? I think it's going to take a lot to get those investors off the sidelines. I think you'd almost have to see rates fall below 3% which would be quite a drop from here. It's a huge amount of cash. But I don't think we should look at it as some put on the market or a hedge on a sharp fall in the market. I don't think that money comes rushing back in.
Dylan Lewis: I don't think it's ever safe to bet against the inertia of doing nothing. I think it's pretty bankable that people are very happy to stay exactly where they are sometimes. But it's something worth paying attention to. If you're watching money flows, you may have also noticed that there are a lot of funds heading into the newly approved Bitcoin ETFs this month. Early in January, the SEC formally approved, while not actually endorsing or in any way endorsing, I should say, Bitcoin Spot ETFs, and some of the major firms have been quick to capitalize on those with what some folks are calling the Cointucky Derby. Matt Blackrocks, Bitcoin ETF, IBIT already has 1 billion in inflows. Fidelities, FBTC is close behind. Seems like this is good news for the big firms, probably good news for people that are eager to see more crypto adoption. Do you see any losers with this news?
Matt Argersinger: I actually do, Dylan, I think, I don't know what this does to the price of Bitcoin long term, but I can tell you who these ETFs don't help, and that is exchanges or trading platforms like Coinbase or Robin Hood. These companies, especially coin base, they get some fees for being a custodian of Bitcoin for these ETFs. But now that Bitcoin can be passively bought and held by investors, especially institutions, I think it's going to hurt the trading volumes and margins for these companies.
Dylan Lewis: I'm not surprised. If you look at Coinbase, the stock is down almost 25% Since these ETF started trading about a week ago, it was the ultimate sell on the new signal. And I think there's more downside to come. Remember Coinbase and Robin Hood, they really make a lot of their trading based on the spreads for Bitcoin and other digital currencies. If I can now, especially with Blackrock and Fidelity invest in hold Bitcoin very cheaply over time. I don't need to trade it and I just think that could be a problem for these exchanges. I want to talk about this without necessarily having the Bitcoin thesis debate. We're going to put that on the side for a second. Just knowing that these are now exchange traded securities. Is there anything in particular you think investors ought to be paying attention to if they are considering these vehicles?
Matt Argersinger: Well, again, I just think they're available, obviously we pay attention to the fees and they're very low in the case of Blackrock and Fidelity. That's what you want? I mean, previously I think to hold to try to have an investment in Bitcoin. You're looking at fees over 1% 1.5%. There were futures traded, there were a lot of hidden costs and big spreads in trading. Now that you can do this, great. But I also would caution against making these ETFs, any major part of your portfolio. I mean, it's essentially concentrated on one single commodity, and it is a commodity. They're cheap and they're passive. But don't let that trick you into thinking that all of a sudden all this money is going to start flowing a Bitcoin and it's a great long term investment. I think you still have to be diversified when thinking about them.
Dylan Lewis: With that out of the way, I think we can get to some of the spicier takes when it comes to crypto., and we heard some of them at the World Economic Forum and Davos this week. Jason, I believe one of the pre-eminent bankers had the things to say about the crypto industry.
Jason Moser: Who doesn't enjoy a good Bitcoin thesis debate. What I mean, come on. I honestly, I think that these ETFs are great in the sense that they bring transparency. They help bring transparency to an industry, to a market that needs it most. Regardless of your stance on Bitcoin and crypto, this is something I think that ultimately helps in that regard. But it is funny. I mean, in Davos, again. I mean, we see Jamie Diamond. One of the first questions he's asked in regard to crypto and Bitcoin, have you changed your mind? What your stance? It was funny to hear him being so short in regard to this time around. He's just like, listen, this is the last time I'm talking about this with you, so help me God, he's like, blockchain is real. It's a technology we use. But when you start getting into Bitcoin and crypto and things like that, maybe don't necessarily do something. At least in his perspective, they don't do anything. His advice is I don't want to get involved. But by the same token, he's like, I don't want to tell you what to do. I support your right, I defend your right to do Bitcoin if you want to do it. My personal advice would be not to get involved, but it's a free country. He really laid it out there and I'm going to be interested to see if this indeed is the last time because I just have a feeling it's not going to be because this is a space that is just, it's so filled with change. It's moving so fast. I feel like we're going to be we're going to be looking at a different set of rules almost here, maybe even a year from now.
Dylan Lewis: Matt, we saw headlines related to some of Diamond's comments at Davos. We also saw some headlines related to AI development, the geopolitical landscape. When you're looking at the event and some of the news that's come out of it, what are you paying attention to?
Matt Argersinger: India made a pretty big splash at Davos this year. I think India has become the large emerging market of choice, now formally replacing China, which held this place on the mountaintop for so many years, and for one, India's population has recently surpassed China's. I mean, it's now the largest country with more than 1.4 billion people. That's like 18% of the world's population in one country. It's incredible. It's also gotten a much younger population. There was a report that was shared on CNBC that 33% a third of India's population is 20-33 years old. Right now, and this is data from Mckinsey and Goldman Sachs, only about 60 million people in India are considered affluent, meaning they earn at least $10,000 a year. That number could reach 100 million by 2027. Companies like Apple making a major push into the country for obvious reasons. But I think Starbucks could be an interesting bet on India. Starbucks is opening a new store in the country, like every three days, and right now they have just under 400 stores. Compare that to China, which actually has much less of a coffee culture than India. Starbucks has almost 7,000 stores there. They estimate they'll have 1,000 stores in India by 2028. I bet that ends up being way low, and so it's a massive potential market for Starbucks. I think it's a massive potential market for many US companies with global operations.
Dylan Lewis: Matt? I have to clarify this, because opening a Starbucks every three days could either be a hyperbolic joke or a true statistic. When it comes to a company like Starbucks, which one is it?
Matt Argersinger: It is absolutely a true statistic. At least as you believe Starbucks is management, which I'm not going to doubt, so pretty impressive.
Dylan Lewis: Love it. After the break, we've got some earnings from one of the most important companies in the world. Stay right here. This is Motley Fool Money.
Welcome back to Motley Fool Money. I'm Dylan Lewis, joined over the airwaves by Matt Argersinger and Jason Moser. The earnings results are rolling in and we're digging. Let's start with what I find myself constantly referring to as one of the most important, if not the most important, companies in the world, Matt. That is Taiwan Semiconductor, shares up 10% after the company reported this week. Safe to say, the market like the results.
Matt Argersinger: Absolutely, love the results. Don't underestimate a 10% move for the stock. It's a massively important company. Five hundred and sixty billion market cap, last I checked. It's added well over $50 billion this week since the earnings release alone. It wasn't about the four results, they were fine. But revenue was down, gross margin was lower, year over year. Earnings were sharply lower. That was all baked in already. I think what caught the market by surprise was just how bullish management was about the year. For one, they're expecting business to improve each quarter of 2024, which will ultimately lead to overall revenue growth in the low to mid 20% range. I don't think any or most investors were expecting that. As a result, utilization is going to go way up, margins are going to improve. Earnings should surge because there's just a ton of operating leverage in a business like this. I think you have to remember, I think most investors pride, they're excited about companies like Nvidia AMD, but these chip designers rely on Taiwan Semiconductors to manufacture their chips. That's where their production comes from. Without Taiwan Semiconductor, it just couldn't happen. As a demand for their chip surges, AI chip surge, so will the manufacturing needs for chips and TSM is the go-to source. I think it's also a bit of a tell on overall economic strength around the world in chip makers of all kinds. I'm not talking about just technology companies, but you've got auto manufacturers, appliance makers. If they're seeing higher demand, they're going to order more chips from Taiwan Semiconductor. If TSM thinks 2024 is going to be a strong year, it's probably a good bet a lot of industries are expecting a strong in 2024 as well. It could be a really positive signal for the overall economy.
Dylan Lewis: Matt, you mentioned the sheer size and scale of this business, and at over $500 billion, this company's almost back to all-time highs that it set a couple of years ago. It sounds like there's a very clear growth picture ahead. What expectations do investors need to have looking at this business?
Matt Argersinger: Well, I would just say look at the expectations built into a lot of companies that rely on Taiwan Semiconductor. I mentioned in Nvidia AMD. Look at Intel's resurgence. It's not quite a proxy for a company like Taiwan Semiconductor, which doesn't make the same margins. But I have to say there should be a lot more enthusiasm about this company to the same degree about these other companies.
Dylan Lewis: Over to banking. Jason, this week, Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley both gave us some updates and we got to see the market reaction on some of those updates as well. They are similar in what they do. Let's start with some of the higher-level trends. What is the state of deal-making and investment banking right now?
Jason Moser: You've got Goldman and Morgan Stanley, both companies that really banks that focus more on the investment banking side of things. We saw with Goldman Asset and Wealth Management, revenue jumped 23% from a year ago. Great to see what was really impressive, I thought with Goldman was, earnings jump 51% from a year ago. This was a theme, but it was a theme of opposites in regard to these two banks. With Goldman, we saw them really benefiting from provision for credit losses coming down. To put that in context. The provision for credit losses for the fourth quarter of 2023. This quarter just reported $577 million. That compares to $972 million from a year ago. A lot of money freeing up there. Over the course of the year, that number for 2023 is $1.03 billion, compared with 2.7, $2 billion from just a year ago. A lot of those provisions for credit loss is being released. No doubt some of that had to do with obviously what was a very good year for the market. But absolutely Goldman benefiting from those market conditions, which is good to see. It was interesting to see with Morgan Stanley though a little bit of the opposite. Their provisions were a little bit higher. They actually increased as the credit conditions for the commercial real estate sector really impacted Morgan Stanley. You see Ted picked the new CEO for the bank there. You think he's just approaching the year with a little more caution perhaps than the other bankers and maybe he's just trying to get his feet underneath them and get started with a note of humility there. But it was just interesting to see the juxtaposition there between Goldman with a little bit more of a glass-have-full view versus Morgan Stanley's, and maybe glass-half-full. [laughs]
Dylan Lewis: Jason, I think we've all seen. We've all been able to observe the lack of new companies coming public, and maybe a little bit of a pause on some of the merger and acquisition activity that so many of these banks operate in. Do you feel like it's strong to see these types of results even while we know that those segments are a little weak?
Jason Moser: I think it is. I think it's really encouraging. When you look at the way 2023 played out for investors, I don't know that it felt really as good as the actual returns showed us. I think the numbers were a lot better than maybe it felt. Maybe part of that has something to do with inflation and just the state of the consumer. But all in all, I think those market conditions improving. It does seem like we see these consumer sentiment numbers are getting us off to a good start here in 2024. There's a hunger out there for IPOs. There's a hunger out there for some new business to come online. I think we're going to see that in 2024, and these banks will definitely benefit from that.
Dylan Lewis: We'll wrap up our earnings run down with an update from Prologis. This is the largest industrial real estate investment trust in the world. Matt, when they speak, the entire shipping and storage world listens, what did they have to say this quarter?
Matt Argersinger: That's totally right, Dylan. We talked about how big and how important Taiwan Semiconductor is for a lot of other companies. Prologis is hugely important for major companies like Amazon, eBay at Sea. UPS when it comes to shipping, logistics, inventory management. Prologis, the stock is actually up almost 30% in three months since they last reported, and that's quite a move in three months. But I think the results that came out this week really justify it. Same-store net operating income that's similar to same-store sales but for reads up 8.5% year over year. Average occupancy ended the year at 97.6%. That's near all-time high. Rent growth on new leases of 51%, really impressive. Management is really optimistic about the year. Just like Taiwan Semiconductors managers were. There's still a lot of supply concerns out there, but the heavy building is coming down. Development starts are way down. Capital markets are a lot calmer right now. They have an excellent balance sheet and the guidance they gave was really strong. They're targeting 9% growth in core funds from operations for the year. That's their cash flow metric. Stocks are a little expensive right now, but I think it deserves to trade it to premium. It's still 20% below. It's all-time high. Take a look at Prologis.
Dylan Lewis: Matt, when Jason was doing the rundown on the banks, he mentioned the reserve increases related to commercial real estate concerns. Is that something people need to be worried about with the storage space?
Matt Argersinger: Not at all. When it comes to industrial or self-storage. Just like Prologis, it's a totally different market. It doesn't have the same headwinds as office does right now.
Dylan Lewis: Matt Argersinger, Jason Moser. Fellows, we'll see you a little bit later in the show. Up next, we've got a best-selling author weighing in on why the big banks are wrong, forcing people back into the office. Stay right here, you're listening to Motley Fool Money.
Welcome back to Motley Fool Money. I'm Dylan Lewis. Back in December the Motley Fool had our annual company wide employee retreat, Foolapalooza. While we were together, the Motley Fool's Shannon Jones interviewed best selling author Dan Pink. While they were talking they took principles from his best and lesser known books and applied them to the modern topics of AI, employee motivation and what the modern office is really for in a hybrid world.
Shannon Jones: I want to start really on the topic of motivation because I think that's where it begins in your book drive. The surprising truth about what motivates us. You actually peel back the curtains, and so I'm curious what is it that really motivates us in the workplace?
Daniel Pink: In the workplace, it's a mix of things and at some level we've gotten it wrong. I think the fool has gotten this much for years, and years and has gotten this much better than anybody else. But we have the idea out there in organizations that the way to motivate people is simply to dangle a reward in front of them. That if you dangle any prize, whether it's a raise, whether it's a bonus, whether it's a promotion, that people will do more and better work. It turns out that's just not true. The science tells us something very different. It tells us something that's a little bit nuanced. What it tells us is this, human beings are indeed motivated by money. But money in many cases is simply a threshold motivator and what really leads to enduring performance, especially on creative, complex tasks like all of you are doing, is a sense of autonomy. Do you have control over what you do, when you do it, where you do it, how you do it? Mastery. Are you making progress in meaningful work? Are you getting better at something that matter, and purpose. Do you know why you're doing something? Are you making a contribution internally or are you making a difference externally? Those are the things that really motivate us over the long haul and a lot of these contingent motivators are forms of control that give us a sugar, higher motivation. They get us moving very much in the short term, but they actually are not sustainable as real motivation. I think that world has been changing over time, but rather slowly.
Shannon Jones: Yeah. How has that changed now that we're in the post pandemic world? Has there been a change or a [inaudible]?
Daniel Pink: I think there has been a change on something. Let's take the dimension of autonomy, for instance, and the Fool is a good example of that. I wrote a book 20 plus years ago called Free Agent Nation. My God, you're the guy who read it? [laughs]. Thank you. It's a book about the rise of people working for themselves. Truthfully, it remains in print today. It now sells tens of copies every year. One of the things I talked about in that book is that it's inevitable that we're going to have more people working at home. There's an affinity between work and home. That the separation, the distinct permanent, inexorable separation between work and home is really an historical artifact and that at a certain point, we're going to have people working at home a lot more than we ever had. We're going to have people working remotely. When I wrote that people said you're crazy, you don't know what you're talking about. We don't have the technology, you can't trust people. Cut 20 years later, a few hundred million people around the world did it in four days and sustained it for two years. Okay, we have any Ohioans here?
All right, thank you. I'm going to use an Ohio expression here, which you can translate to your colleagues here, which is that's a very difficult egg to unscramble, right? You can't unscramble that egg, and so I think that in terms of autonomy, I think there's been a massive worldwide test case about whether you can trust people to be autonomous. I think the answer was a resounding yes, and I think you can't turn back from that. I think that's a big legacy of the pandemic and you see it now, I mean, I know that you guys have gone the other direction on remote work, but you see it now with the big banks for the last year and a half have been imploring their employees. You got to come back to work. You're not serious if you don't come back into the office, you have to be in the office five days a week. You got to come back. The talented people in response to that are saying, OK boomer, I'm going to find another job, and so I think that that is a big legacy of the pandemic. It's basically saying we can trust our default setting in organizations, should be like the Fools default setting. A default setting in work should be that most people are like us. You can trust them, they want to work hard, they want to do great work. We should start with that premise rather than the premise that begins a lot of these conversation, which is that people are shiftless, they're not trustworthy, they have to be watched, they have to be monitored. I think we're much better off beginning with the premise that applies to 95% of us and letting 5% of people disprove it, rather than the other premise which is essentially shackling 95% for the bad 5%.
Shannon Jones: Yeah. Well said Dan.
Daniel Pink: Thanks.
Shannon Jones: Yeah. I want to pull on that thread about working from home. We've obviously got a flexible work culture here. But I really want to get your thoughts on how do we create meaningful engagement at home. Now there are some tactical ways to optimize our work.
Daniel Pink: Yeah. I think that's a great question, Shannon and I think that's actually really hard. I think what's happening right now is you can think of it as a sorting out process that's happening now and we haven't figured it out. I think one of the big questions that we have to ask right now is what is an office for? For a long time, we knew what an office was for. An office was the place that house the equipment, that house the means of production that people needed to create wealth. It was also the place where you could talk to your colleagues. But now you know everybody has a supercomputer connected to the world in their pocket and you can slack, you can email, you can DM, you can text people instantly 24 hours a day, and so you have to ask, what is an office for? I don't think offices are going to disappear, but I think they have to be fundamentally rethought. That offices should probably be more like a cafe, or more like a nightclub, or more intentionally designed for collaboration and connection, and they should be compelling enough to lure people there rather than force people to go sit at a cubicle, 20 miles away from their home.
Shannon Jones: All right. Your other book, A Whole New Mind. The one of my favorites. You talked about how the future will actually be ruled by a different thinker, the right brain thinker. Tell us about that and what that means, especially in the realm of AI.
Daniel Pink: Okay, I'll take the two parts, so the argument of that book is that it used to be that the skills that got you into the middle class that made a difference in your ability to climb the ladder into the middle class, that allowed you to thrive within organizations were characteristic of the left hemisphere of the brain, logical, linear, sequential, analytical, spreadsheet, SAT abilities. The argument of that book, which came out 16 years ago or something like that, is that those metaphorically left brain abilities are necessary but they're no longer sufficient, and a different set of abilities. The ability is more characteristic of the right brain, artistry, empathy, inventiveness, big picture thinking. That those abilities now are the first among equals and that people who master those abilities on top of the left brain abilities are the ones who are going to thrive. Now, cut fade out, the second part of your question. That's the good news. Here's the bad news. I might be wrong. It could be because when I wrote that book there was not generative AI, and so for instance in that book I wrote about how the importance of empathy. Empathy is a great example and one of the ways that we empathize with others is that we read their tacit facial expressions and at the time software could barely could distinguish my face from yours. Let alone detect the emotion on that face, but now it can and there's some interesting studies that came out about a month ago showing that large language models actually demonstrated more empathy than physicians in certain circumstances, so I think that argument is right, but not as air tight as it was 18 months ago.
Janet Yellen: Yes, and how rapidly do you see that changing?
Daniel Pink: I don't know, man. The speed of the change is just really remarkable. Now, I don't think that AI is going to replace everybody's job in a wholesale way. I think that's not the way to think. I think that's contrary to what history has shown us. I think a way to think about it at an individual level is to think about AI as a partner and as a form of Co-Intelligence as another mind that you're collaborating with, and so this is cliche by now, but it basically people AI is not going to replace everybody, but humans with AI will replace humans who aren't using AI. The question then becomes how can you effectively use these new technologies? We've seen this movie before. We've collaborated with other technologies. I'm old enough to remember like not the advent of calculators in classrooms, but the early days of calculators in classrooms and there was alarm then, no one is ever going to learn math and the same thing is with search engines no one is ever going to learn how to do research and now we have that same alarm here. I think you have to look at AI as a form of Co-Intelligence as a partner, as a collaborator or something to augment your skill and I do think that it calls on some really interesting new skills though.
Janet Yellen: Yeah. What you're saying then is the level playing field, is there for right and left brain?
Daniel Pink: Well, I think you make a good point Janet because one of the things that the early research on AI has shown is that AI does an incredible job of bringing up the bottom performers. It brings up the bottom performers significantly. It doesn't have as much of an effect on the people at the top performers, but there's some interesting research on law and law students and particularly something even like legal writing that AI can help take people, let's say we have a distribution of legal writers and AI is going to have no effect on people in the 90th percentile of legal writers. But those in like the 10th percentile, the 20th percentile, the 30th percentile they're going to get a lot better. They're going to become essentially what are now 60th percentile writers. Thanks to AI, so the early effect on AI is that it actually lifts up the bottom considerably. You see that in research on lawyering, you see that in research on customer service. It's pretty remarkable.
Dylan Lewis: Listeners, you can catch the latest thinking from Dan Pink on X. He's @DanielPink, and if you have suggestions for people we should to interview for the show, you can shoot us know at [email protected]. Coming up after the break, Matt Argersinger and Jason Moser return with a couple stocks on their radar. Stay right here listening to Motley Fool Money.
Dylan Lewis: As always people on the program may have interests in the stocks they talk about and the Motley Fool Money have formal recommendations for or against certainly by sell anything based solely on what you hear. I'm Dylan Lewis joined again by Matt Argersinger and Jason Moser. Subway might be known for its foot long sandwiches, but its newest menu offering, is a different take on the classic. The company is looking to stoke growth with its new side kick offerings, chocolate chip cookies, a cinnamon bun churro and a soft pretzel from auntie Ann's, all in the foot long format. Jason, do you think you could possibly eat a foot long cookie?
Jason Moser: If I had to sure, I don't know that that qualifies as a side kick like that sounds like it's all good on its own. I like cookies, but I feel like the love of diminishing returns kicks in at some point with this thing. [laughs]
Dylan Lewis: I like that you said if I had to because this is ideally a product that they are looking to sell and that people want to eat, but it's more of a food challenge. It sounds like to me. Matt, I'm curious. The company is reportedly seeing some interest on college campuses, do you feel like this is a late night munchie play or is there actually a market here for this product?
Matt Argersinger: No, there is. There absolutely. It's been hung over otherwise and debreated young people very late night. I can see this being a bit of a hit. I just have one question. How many calories are in this foot long chocolate chip cookie? [laughs] What's the guess there? Dan, I think the over under starts at 200 calories for this thing.
Daniel Pink: Two hundred?
Dylan Lewis: Well, it's got to be more than that.
Daniel Pink: I would imagine 12-1,400.
Jason Moser: Oh my gosh.
Daniel Pink: 100? No, like one of those chick fillet chocolate chip cookies has like 350 on its own.
Jason Moser: Oh my God.
Daniel Pink: That's just a little circular cookie.
Dylan Lewis: Hit that by 10 Matt and I think we're in business.
Matt Argersinger: Oh my gosh, dude.
Jason Moser: Well, thank God we got those weight loss drugs out there. [laughs] I guess it going to be even more popular this year when subway rolls out.
Dylan Lewis: I have a real time fact check. The Cinnabun foot long churro is 200 calories, the pretzel 330 and the foot long cookie 1440 calories ding, ding, ding, ding. That is in the epic.
Jason Moser: I was off by a factor of seven that side.
Dylan Lewis: That's kick. Yeah, so I think to the original point that is the meal. I think you're good with just the side kick cookie. Let's get over two stocks on our radar. Our man behind the glass, Dan Boyd is going to hit you with a question. Matt, you're up first, what are you looking at this week?
Matt Argersinger: I'm going with RPM International. No, it is not a car racing stock. It's much more exciting than that actually RPM stands for Republic Powdered Metals. This is a company involved in very exciting businesses like concrete additives, waterproofing, roof coating, paint removal, corrosion protection, sealants and Cox. If you've ever renovated a house or redone a kitchen or bathroom I promise you that you or your contractor have used some probably many of RPM's products. One of the most popular brands is Rustoleum. I've been feeling Dan is a power user of stoleum. I don't know why I feel that, but anyway family run business, it's delivered incredible returns to shareholders. It's consolidated this highly fragmented market and built out a pretty good distribution footprint. Has a lot of cost advantages. Operating earnings are expected to grow in the load mid single digits over the next few years and most exciting guys it is a recently crowned dividend king meaning it's raised its dividend for 50 consecutive years and management loves to talk about the dividend. As you guys know I love boring companies that pay and grow dividends. I'm happy to watch paint dry if I know I'm getting a regular dividend check and I think RPM is one to look at.
Dylan Lewis: Dan, I know you are a frequent visitor of the hardware store and Home Depot, RPM International sounds like hardware store company, is this one you're interested in?
Daniel Pink: Yeah, so I was ready to lampoon Matty for bringing yet another boring company to talk about, but he had me at Rustoleum. Rustoleum is a very good brand with excellent products, so I've got nothing bad to say about this company.
Dylan Lewis: Everyone knows the classic ROM com blind. You had me at Rustoleum. Jason, what's on your radar this week?
Jason Moser: Matty has put me behind the eight ball here. I've been looking more into a company called Globus Medical, reticulous is GMED. The word musculoskeletal, a big word it refers to the human locomotor system. How we move around it includes all the muscles, the bones, joints, the connective tissue that helps us move our bodies and did you know there are over 150 different diseases and conditions that can impair our musculoskeletal system resulting in pain, limited movement more and you know what they'll I bet you plowing down one of those subway foot long cookies at that you're going to have trouble moving around. This might be maybe there's an advertising campaign that could go along with Subway here, but Globus Medical is a company. They're devoted to developing the solutions for these musculoskeletal disorders through devices, surgical equipment, monitoring and technologies. It's actually a very big market. Health care represents a large market opportunity and in regard to Globus, this is a $50 billion overall market when you include spine orthopaedics, the enabling technology and the tools that they all use. The co-founder and chairman, David Paul, still actually owns 16% of the company. I think interestingly, they just closed on an acquisition a company called Nuvasive. Right at the end of 2023 they bought Nuvasive as for just a little bit more than three billion dollars in an all stock deal and it really does combine these two companies together, some complimentary portfolios of offerings to really focus as the leader in that musculoskeletal market. I love finding big dogs in the space there. This certainly seems like one of those big dogs in a market that doesn't look like it's headed anywhere any time soon.
Dylan Lewis: Dan, a question about Globus Medical and can you say musculoskeletal three times fast?
Daniel Pink: I'm not even going to bother with that, Dylan. I am going to ask Jason because you're getting up there in years now Mr. Moser. Globus Medical is going to give you a free joint replacement, where are you going with that?
Jason Moser: I'll tell you what. I feel like I'm going to have to go with the hip that stands out to me as the one that probably is going to go first play, a lot of golf throughout my life, Dan that I've been rotating around those hips for a lot of years.
Dylan Lewis: Dan, which one's going on your watch list this week?
Daniel Pink: No surprise to anyone but I'm going to go RPM. Rustoleum.
Dylan Lewis: Rustoleum. Jason Moser, Matt Argersinger, thanks for being here. That's going to do it for this week's Motley Fool Money. Radio show, the show is mixed by Dan Boyd. I'm Dylan Lewis. Thanks for listening.
