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Seagen Inc. (SGEN)
Q1 2022 Earnings Call
Apr 28, 2022, 4:30 p.m. ET

Contents:

  • Prepared Remarks
  • Questions and Answers
  • Call Participants

Prepared Remarks:


Operator

Good day, and welcome to the Seagen first quarter 2022 financial results conference call. [Operator instructions] Please note, this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Mr. Clay Siegall.

Please go ahead, sir.

Peggy Pinkston -- Senior Vice President of Investor Relations

Thank you, operator, and good afternoon, everyone. I'm pleased to welcome you to Seagen's first quarter 2022 financial results conference call. This afternoon, we issued a press release with our results, and that press release and supporting slides are available on our website in the Investors section, Events and Presentations page. Speakers on today's call will be Clay Siegall, president and chief executive officer; Todd Simpson, chief financial officer; Chip Romp, executive vice president, commercial U.S.; and Roger Dansey, chief medical officer.

Following our prepared remarks, we'll open the line for questions, and we aim to keep this call to one hour. [Operator instructions] Today's conference call will include forward-looking statements regarding future or anticipated events and results, including the company's 2022 financial outlook, anticipated product sales, revenues, costs and expenses, future developments related to legal matters, and potential clinical and regulatory milestones, including data readouts, regulatory submissions, and potential marketing and reimbursement approvals. Actual results or developments may differ materially from those projected or implied in these forward-looking statements. Factors that may cause such a difference include the difficulty in forecasting sales, revenues, and expenses, impacts related to the COVID-19 pandemic, and the uncertainty associated with legal disputes and with the pharmaceutical development and regulatory approval process.

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More information about the risks and uncertainties faced by Seagen is contained under the caption Risk Factors included in the company's annual report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2021, filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission and the company's subsequent reports filed with the SEC. And now, I'll turn the call over to Clay.

Clay Siegall -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Thank you, Peg. Good afternoon, everyone, and welcome to our first quarter call. We are pleased to report total revenues of $426 million for the first quarter. This includes net product sales of $383 million, representing 27% growth over the first quarter of last year.

This growth reflects strong product sales across all commercial brands. As we look to deliver continued innovation and develop transformative therapies, we remain focused on two strategic priorities. Our first priority is working to maximize the global potential of our products through commercial performance and robust clinical development programs designed to support future label expansions while also leveraging our strategic partnerships. I'll begin with Padcev, which has become a standard of care in the U.S.

for previously treated metastatic urothelial cancer. Earlier this month, we and our partner, Astellas, secured approval in both the EU and U.K. for Padcev in previously treated locally advanced or metastatic urothelial cancer. The approvals are based on the EV-301 trial, notably the impressive overall survival benefit.

This marks an important milestone for patients in these regions who have previously had limited treatment options, offering poor survival rates. We previously secured approvals in the U.S., Canada, Switzerland, Israel, and Japan and continue to progress regulatory submissions across Asia Pacific and the Americas. We and Astellas are engaging with individual country authorities to secure reimbursement for Padcev, which can take up to two years, depending on the country. Padcev's robust clinical development program spans monotherapy in combinations with Keytruda in earlier lines of therapy.

EV-103 Cohort K data, which are anticipated in the second half of this year, along with other data from the EV-103 trial could potentially support accelerated approval in the U.S. for patients with first-line metastatic urothelial cancer next year. We are also evaluating Padcev in combination with Keytruda in muscle-invasive bladder cancer and as monotherapy in nonmuscle-invasive disease. These represent areas of significant unmet need in large addressable patient populations.

Tukysa has become an important option for the treatment of second- and later-line HER2-positive breast cancer patients with and without brain metastasis. Overall survival data and inclusion in key treatment guidelines reflect Tukysa's exceptional clinical value. Tukysa delivered strong results this quarter, although we continue to expect competitive challenges in the U.S. this year, which are factored into our annual guidance.

We are working to enable additional European launches in 2022, and our strategic collaboration with Merck is expanding Tukysa's reach outside of Europe and the Americas. Tukysa's broad development program includes clinical trials in HER2-positive breast cancer, colorectal cancer, gastric cancer, and other HER2-amplified or mutant tumors. Data from the Phase 2 MOUNTAINEER trial are expected in the second half of this year and could potentially support accelerated approval in the U.S. next year for patients with HER2-expressing colorectal cancer.

Although a relatively modest patient population, it represents a high unmet medical need as existing approved colorectal cancer therapies offer limited efficacy. Tivdak is a tissue factor-targeted ADC approved in the U.S. for recurrent or metastatic cervical cancer patients and represents an important new therapy in a disease with historically poor outcomes. Launched last September in collaboration with Genmab, the strong uptake has been driven by differentiated clinical data, positive reception from the oncologist community and our focus on commercial execution.

We have presented promising combination data in earlier lines of cervical cancer, which may represent clinical advancements and much larger market opportunities. Roger will provide further details on Tivdak's clinical development program, which is designed to maximize its future opportunity in cervical cancer and other solid tumors while supporting global regulatory applications. Adcetris has now been approved in over 75 countries. And Adcetris regimens are U.S.

standard of care in frontline Hodgkin lymphoma and peripheral T-cell lymphoma. More than a decade after its first launch, we and our partner, Takeda, continue to bring this important medicine to patients around the globe. Groundbreaking overall survival data from the Phase 3 ECHELON-1 trial in newly diagnosed advanced Hodgkin lymphoma further demonstrate the therapeutic value of Adcetris and its importance for these patients. In addition, a Phase 3 Children's Oncology Group study demonstrated an improvement in event-free survival for high-risk pediatric patients with Hodgkin lymphoma.

Both the ECHELON-1 data and the Phase 3 pediatric data will be presented at ASCO in June and will be submitted to FDA this year. Lastly, we are progressing a comprehensive clinical development program to maximize the potential for Adcetris to benefit patients. Our second strategic priority is to advance our deep and diverse pipeline as we look to bring additional drugs to market in the coming years. Disitamab vedotin, or DV, is a late-stage novel ADC that utilizes our vedotin-based technology.

DV is active across a broad range of HER2-expressing solid tumors and demonstrates rapid internalization. Our clinical development program prioritizes monotherapy and combination approaches in breast, bladder, gastric and other cancers. We recently initiated a pivotal trial in previously treated metastatic urothelial cancer intended to support accelerated approval in the U.S. Turning to our earlier-stage pipeline.

We are advancing several ADCs to both novel and validated targets. We also have four programs that use our proprietary sugar-engineered antibody technology. Overall, we are progressing more than 17 programs and products across our pipeline in a range of solid tumors and hematologic malignancies. Our ADC collaborators are also making important progress with programs that utilize our technology.

Roche recently reported that the CHMP recommended European Commission approval for Polivy in combination with other anticancer therapies for frontline diffuse large B-cell lymphoma. GlaxoSmithKline is commercializing Blenrep for patients with relapsed multiple myeloma and is advancing several clinical trials. And AbbVie was granted breakthrough therapy designation for their cMET ADC, telisotuzumab vedotin based on data from the Phase 2 study for non-small cell lung cancer. As we look to the future, our plan is to continue building upon our four commercial products, advancing our deep and diverse pipeline, and expanding our geographic footprint.

We have over 50 strategic partnerships, including our recent collaboration with Sanofi. Based on our cash position of approximately $2 billion and no debt, we are strongly positioned to utilize cutting-edge innovation to make a positive impact on the lives of people with cancer today and tomorrow. Next, I'll turn the call over to Todd, who will discuss our financial results. Then Chip will provide an update on our commercial performance.

After that, Roger will detail our clinical development activities and pipeline. Todd?

Todd Simpson -- Chief Financial Officer

Thanks, Clay, and thanks to everyone for joining us on the call this afternoon. I'll briefly summarize our financial results for the quarter, which are aligned with our expectations and reflects significant progress across the business. Total revenues were $426 million in the first quarter of 2022, representing 28% growth over the first quarter of last year. This included net product sales of $383 million, an increase of 27% over the first quarter of 2021.

This was driven by strong growth of Padcev, Tukysa, and Adcetris. First quarter 2022 sales of Padcev also included $9 million in sales to another company for a combination clinical trial that they are conducting and which was factored into our 2022 guidance. Additionally, first quarter 2022 product sales included contributions from Tivdak, which was launched in the third quarter of 2021 as our fourth approved drug. Royalty revenues in the first quarter of 2022 increased slightly to $28 million compared to the first quarter of 2021.

These royalties are primarily driven by sales of Adcetris outside the U.S. and Canada by Takeda, and to a lesser degree, by royalties from sales of Polivy by Roche and Blenrep by GSK. As expected, royalties decreased from the fourth quarter of last year as the royalty rate paid by Takeda on its sales of Adcetris resets at the beginning of each year and ranges from the mid-teens to the mid-20s. Collaboration revenues were $15 million in the first quarter of 2022.

This included an upfront payment from Sanofi under our new collaboration signed in March, a profit share contribution from Astellas' sales of Padcev in Japan, as well as other collaboration activities. These each create some degree of quarterly variability in our collaboration revenues. Following the recent approval of Padcev in the EU, we expect to begin reporting profit share amounts next year from the sales of Padcev by Astellas. Cost of sales in the first quarter of 2022 increased to $88 million.

This included cost of product sales and royalties for each of our four brands, profit share amounts to our collaboration partners, Astellas and Genmab, as well as noncash amortization of acquired technology costs for Tukysa. R&D expenses increased to $298 million in the first quarter of 2022. This reflected continued investment across our deep and diverse pipeline to maximize the potential of our approved products and pipeline programs. SG&A expenses increased to $174 million in the first quarter of 2022.

This is driven by our commercialization efforts for Adcetris, Padcev, and Tukysa, the launch of Tivdak in the U.S., as well as investments to support ongoing country launches of Tukysa across Europe. We are off to a strong start and pleased with our financial results. With that in mind, we are maintaining our 2022 financial guidance that we provided in February. Now I will pass the call over to Chip, who will provide additional details on our commercial performance and outlook.

Chip Romp -- Executive Vice President, Commercial U.S.

Thank you, Todd. I'm pleased to provide an update on our commercial performance, which set a new quarterly record of $383 million and covers four approved brands. Padcev first quarter sales were $100 million, a 44% increase over the first quarter of 2021. Excluding the $9 million clinical trial supplier order, growth was up 33% over the first quarter of last year.

During its first 1.5 years on the market, Padcev became the U.S. standard of care in the post checkpoint setting. We look forward to a potential label expansion in the U.S. into the frontline setting in cisplatin-ineligible patients in 2023.

We are also excited by Padcev's recent approval in the EU and U.K. and look forward to working with our collaborator, Astellas, to bring this important therapy to patients. Moving on to Tukysa. First quarter sales were $90 million, a 29% increase over the first quarter of 2021.

You will recall that our 2022 outlook for Tukysa assumes the impact of competitive pressure from a HER2's anticipated U.S. launch in the second-line setting and inclusion in guidelines and pathways. This remains our expectation despite seeing only modest impact in the first quarter. With the HER2's approval in this setting, we continue to anticipate a shift in how these regimens are sequenced, with increased use of Enhertu and less Tukysa use, delaying patient flow into the third line plus setting, where Tukysa is mostly used.

Our promotional effort is focused on Tukysa's strong value proposition, especially in those patients with CNS involvement. Sales in Europe continued to grow in the first quarter, and we look forward to gaining reimbursement in additional countries this year. Adcetris first quarter sales were $181 million, an 11% increase over the first quarter of 2021. The team is driving awareness of the positive overall survival data from the ECHELON-1 trial.

The top-line data announced in February has been well received, and we look forward to moving a full data set after the oral presentation at ASCO. And finally, Tivdak sales were $11 million for the quarter. While this initial indication is a modest opportunity, we are pleased with the positive reception from physicians and patients for this important new treatment option. Now I'll hand the call over to Roger.

Roger Dansey -- Chief Medical Officer

Thank you, Chip, and good afternoon, everyone. I'm happy to share recent clinical development update on our approved medicines and our pipeline. Beginning with Padcev, we are very pleased with its recent approval in the EU and the U.K. based on the overall survival advantage in previously treated patients with metastatic urothelial cancer as demonstrated in the EV-301 trial.

This study was positive at a prespecified interim analysis, and we plan to present important long-term outcomes at ASCO based on an additional 13 months of follow-up. In the frontline metastatic setting, we are evaluating the combination of Padcev and Keytruda in two studies. The first study is EV-103 Cohort K, which enrolled patients who are ineligible for cisplatin therapy. The second is the Phase 3 EV-302 global trial, which includes both cisplatin-eligible and ineligible patients and is on track to complete enrollment this year.

As we look to muscle-invasive bladder cancer, together with Astellas and Merck, we are advancing two Phase 3 trials to assess Padcev in combination with Keytruda as perioperative treatment. One trial is testing usage in cisplatin-eligible patients and the other in cisplatin-ineligible patients. At the recent ASCO GU meeting, we presented promising Padcev monotherapy data in the neoadjuvant MIBC setting for people who are suspected ineligible. These data are important in understanding the impact of Padcev as a monotherapy in the context of the ongoing combination trials.

Furthermore, we are progressing our efforts in nonmuscle-invasive bladder cancer. The Phase 1 EV-104 trial is investigating single-agent Padcev administered intravesically in BCG nonresponsive patients. At the AACR meeting earlier this month, we presented preclinical data of intravesical Padcev in models of NMIBC, showing minimal local and no systemic toxicities, along with evidence of antitumor activity. Beyond bladder cancer, we continue to assess Padcev in a monotherapy basket trial of other Nectin-4-expressing solid tumors.

Turning to Tukysa. We are pleased to announce that we recently enrolled the first patient in HER2CLIMB-05. This study is evaluating Tukysa in the frontline maintenance setting of HER2-positive metastatic breast cancer. Patients are randomized to receive Tukysa, trastuzumab, and pertuzumab or trastuzumab and pertuzumab alone after completion of the taxane component of the combination therapy.

Despite the excellent results obtained with the standard-of-care treatment, THP, patients remain at risk of relapse and death, including the risk of relapse in the brain. In GI cancers, we expect to report top-line results from the MOUNTAINEER Phase 2 trial in the second half of this year, with the potential for accelerated approval in the United States next year. This study assesses Tukysa and trastuzumab as treatment for patients with previously treated metastatic HER2-positive colorectal cancer. In first-line CRC, we recently initiated a randomized global Phase 3 trial, MOUNTAINEER-03 comparing Tukysa, trastuzumab, and standard chemotherapy to chemotherapy alone.

This trial is intended to serve as a confirmatory trial for HER2-positive CRC if Tukysa received accelerated approval in the United States and will also support future global submissions. Additionally, we are studying Tukysa in combination with trastuzumab in a basket trial for solid tumors with HER2 alterations. Moving on to Tivdak. Tivdak has received accelerated approval in the United States for the treatment of patients with recurrent or metastatic cervical cancer with disease progression on or after chemotherapy.

The Phase 3 monotherapy trial in cervical cancer, innovaTV 301 is enrolling well and is intended to serve as the confirmatory trial in the United States and to facilitate global regulatory applications. As we look to move Tivdak into earlier lines of metastatic or recurrent cervical cancer, we will present frontline combination data with Keytruda from the innovaTV 205 trial in an oral presentation at ASCO this June. The study has also been expanded to further investigate frontline multi-drug combinations, including Tivdak with carboplatin and Keytruda with or without bevacizumab. Beyond cervical cancer, we continue to study Tivdak in other malignancies, both as a monotherapy and in combination with Keytruda and/or platinum-containing chemotherapy.

The ongoing Phase 2 study, innovaTV 207, is evaluating Tivdak in multiple solid tumors, including patients with squamous cell carcinoma of the head and neck. We recently presented encouraging monotherapy data in these patients, and we have now expanded the trial to explore the combination of Tivdak chemotherapy and Keytruda in the frontline head and neck cancer setting. I'll turn now to Adcetris. We are extremely pleased that two important Phase 3 trials of Adcetris in newly diagnosed Hodgkin lymphoma patients were selected for our presentations at ASCO.

The first is data from ECHELON-1, which showed that Adcetris in combination with AVD significantly improved overall survival compared with ABVD in patients with advanced Hodgkin lymphoma. Adcetris was shown to reduce the risk of death by 41%, with a hazard ratio of 0.59 and a p-value of 0.009. The second presentation will be of data from the Phase 3 Children's Oncology Group study, AHOD1331, in pediatric patients with high-risk Hodgkin lymphoma. The study met its primary endpoint of superior three-year event-free survival with Adcetris plus chemotherapy compared to a chemotherapy regimen that includes bleomycin.

We are planning to submit supplemental BLAs for these two trials to the FDA this year. Turning now to disitamab vedotin or DV. We recently began enrolling patients into the registrational Phase 2 monotherapy trial in second-line HER2-expressing metastatic urothelial cancer. If we obtain positive results from this study, it could potentially support accelerated approval in the United States.

We also plan to initiate additional registration studies in bladder cancer and HER2-low breast cancer over the next several months. We are also considering development in other HER2-expressing solid tumors such as gastric cancer. Now I'd like to briefly mention our early stage pipeline. We are currently evaluating a growing number of drug candidates in Phase 1 clinical trials across a range of solid tumors and hematologic malignancies.

Earlier this month at AACR, we presented promising preclinical data on two of our newest clinical-stage ADC programs, SGN-B7H4V and SGN-ALPV. SGN-B7H4V is a vedotin ADC targeting the immune checkpoint B7-H4, which is expressed across other tumors, including breast, ovarian and endometrial cancer with limited normal tumor expression. We detailed the robust antitumor activity of the ADC and its immunomodulatory activity through induction of immunogenic cell death. We also disclosed preclinical antitumor activity of SGN-ALPV, a novel vedotin ADC targeting the central alkaline phosphatases, which are expressed across solid tumors, including ovarian, endometrial, gastric, and non-small cell lung cancer.

We recently enrolled the first patients in Phase 1 trials of these two ADCs. I will now hand the call over to Clay.

Clay Siegall -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Thank you, Roger. Before we turn to Q&A, I would like to comment on our ongoing legal proceedings with Daiichi Sankyo. A jury recently found that Daiichi Sankyo willfully infringed one of our U.S. patents with Enhertu.

We were awarded damages of $41.8 million, representing an 8% royalty on past sales of Enhertu in the United States. With this verdict, we now intend to request that the court award a royalty on future U.S. sales of Enhertu through expiry of the patent in November 2024, as well as enhanced damages, attorney fees, and costs. We anticipate a decision from the court on the future royalty later this year.

In a related matter, the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office granted a request on rehearing and instituted two post-grant review proceedings brought against certain claims of the same patent, which we intend to vigorously defend. Separately, we are engaged in an arbitration against Daiichi Sankyo over ownership of certain ADC technology used in Enhertu and several other product candidates. We expect a decision on the arbitration in mid-2022.

It's important for us to defend our intellectual property as we continue to drive groundbreaking ADC innovation and develop transformative therapies for patients in need. In closing, we expect to achieve many important milestones in 2022, including important clinical data readouts, global and commercial progress, and advances across our pipeline. With that, we'll open for your questions. Operator, please open the line for Q&A.

Questions & Answers:


Operator

Thank you. [Operator instructions] And the first question will come from Cory Kasimov with J.P. Morgan. Please go ahead.

Cory Kasimov -- J.P. Morgan -- Analyst

Great. Thanks, guys, and good afternoon. I wanted to ask about Tukysa. So nice quarter.

And just given the prevailing guidance you have here, I think it implies an average of about $75 million, just over $80 million per quarter over the balance of the year after the $90 million in Q1. So I'm just curious how much you see the guidance at this stage is kind of prudent conservatism until you see how market dynamics start shaking out with Enhertu versus an expectation that Enhertu comes in and quickly takes a lot of share in the non-brain met patients. Thank you.

Clay Siegall -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Cory, thanks for the call. We're really proud of Tukysa, and we have not seen any new approvals, as you know, on Enhertu yet. Our guidance includes an assumption of an approval later this year, perhaps soon, and an impact on the -- especially the non-brain mets, exactly what you said. So I think you asked, are we wanting to see what happens later this year.

I think that's exactly right. I think it's a very -- we're being very transparent that we -- and we provided guidance. And I don't think it makes sense at this point to change the guidance. We certainly will, if things happen in certain ways.

But right now, I think what you said makes a lot of sense. Todd, do you want to make any additional comments about that?

Todd Simpson -- Chief Financial Officer

Sure. Thanks, Cory, for the question. And Clay, I'm happy to. So Cory, the guide on Tukysa this year, as you might imagine, is a little bit of a tough one.

We were doing great with Tukysa in the current label, but we know that Enhertu, I think they've got a PDUFA in May. We're already seeing them in guidelines. So as this drug moves forward, the drug is very active in patients and is a great drug for patients. We think that as Enhertu reaches the market, gets approved, that it will create a sequencing change in how these drugs are used and may push Tukysa into a little bit of a later line of therapy.

So that assumption was built into our guidance. And we don't feel like our guidance is very good.

Cory Kasimov -- J.P. Morgan -- Analyst

OK. Thank you, guys.

Operator

The next question will come from Salveen Richter with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Salveen Richter -- Goldman Sachs -- Analyst

Thanks for taking my question. Heading into the Cohort K data, could you just frame expectations on what ORR is clinically meaningful given Keytruda activity in that population?

Clay Siegall -- President and Chief Executive Officer

So thank you for the question, Salveen. Where we are very excited about Padcev and the opportunity with Cohort K and the rest of our trials that we're working, some of them are global trials, as you know. And Roger can try to address this question and see what he can say, but we haven't outlined like a specific, here's a bar, here's what we need to get after. So I know Roger will do the best to provide color.

But understand, we can't be exact. It's really, at the end of the day, it's up to the FDA. And we would be remiss to try to say, here's the FDA's bar since it's really up to them.

Roger Dansey -- Chief Medical Officer

Exactly. Thanks, Clay. Just to add some more commentary, in terms of the patients that we've enrolled, they are cisplatin-ineligible. And so the closest population you can potentially look at is a population treated with carboplatin, a carboplatin-based regimen.

And for that regimen, the response rate would be expected to be somewhere in the mid-30s. We have obviously generated data with Padcev monotherapy in later lines of treatment, somewhere in the sort of 40% to 50% range. Keytruda has a range of responses depending upon PD-L1 status. And we have Cohort A, which was an initial assessment of both Padcev and Keytruda in the sort of frontline cis-ineligible population, which produced a response rate of 73.

So you can take all of those numbers, they're all relevant in terms of trying to understand what the landscape will be. But I think Clay is exactly right. We'll obviously be excited to bring forward the data we have. But in the end, it's an FDA review issue as to exactly what the bar is.

Salveen Richter -- Goldman Sachs -- Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

The next question will come from Andrew Berens with SVB. Please go ahead.

Andrew Berens -- SVB Leerink -- Analyst

Hi. Thanks. Congrats on the strong execution in Q1, guys. Just a question on Tukysa.

I was wondering when we may see some data with other backbone therapies, especially on top of Enhertu. Is there any reason to think that Tukysa won't be effective with Enhertu or that the toxicities may be overlapping?

Clay Siegall -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Andy, thank you for the question. We're really excited with Tukysa in many regards. We have other data coming out such as in colorectal cancer. And we have quite a few trials going on in different diseases.

I think Roger would be appropriate to comment on thoughts in combination, whether they are with Enhertu or other things. Roger?

Roger Dansey -- Chief Medical Officer

Yeah, sure. Absolutely. So Andy, in principle, right, the construct of Enhertu, which is trastuzumab together with the chemotherapy payload, so inhibition of the pathway plus cytotoxic effects on cells is not that different from the regimen that was used in HER2CLIMB conceptually, which was capecitabine which is the cytotoxic agent, trastuzumab, together with tucatinib. So as sort of first principle, one could extrapolate that a combination of Tukysa together with Enhertu may have some interesting efficacy.

With regard to toxicity, obviously, each drug has its own profile. Tucatinib, as a single agent, is a very well-tolerated agent, and in fact, can be taken for years. And that is an important attribute. We're generating the data right now.

So I can't comment on what the profiles will look like. But suffice to say, we are interested in that combination because these are the two most active agents recently on the HER2 landscape. And it's important to understand if there may be potentially medically meaningful winning combination.

Andrew Berens -- SVB Leerink -- Analyst

OK. Any sense when we might see some of the data?

Roger Dansey -- Chief Medical Officer

We're enrolling and we're generating data. So no, we've not given any indication as to what the timing of that would be.

Andrew Berens -- SVB Leerink -- Analyst

OK. We will wait. Thank you.

Operator

The next question will come from Michael Schmidt with Guggenheim. Please go ahead.

Michael Schmidt -- Guggenheim Partners -- Analyst

Hey, guys, congrats on the quarter. Thanks for taking my question. I had a follow-up on EV-103 Cohort K. Thanks for your comments on the response rate.

I understand duration is another important endpoint. Perhaps could you help us understand what duration of response is clinically meaningful in this setting? And is there a particular hurdle for that? And then obviously, the study has two arms, and I'm assuming if both arms succeed on response rate, that there will be a comparison of the combination versus start of monotherapy. Is that the correct way of thinking about it? Thanks.

Clay Siegall -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Michael, thank you for the question on this. I'm glad you brought up duration. Duration is something that sometimes investors forget to ask about, but so important in making cancer drugs. Because if you have a response rate that looks good but it's not really durable, it's not that important to cancer patients.

And we pride ourselves in looking at duration with all our products and making sure that they're meaningful for patients and make a difference in their life. And so DOR or duration of response is also important at FDA, and we know that acutely. Roger, can you talk to them a little bit about the endpoint and the arms of the trial?

Roger Dansey -- Chief Medical Officer

Sure. Yeah, so a great question. So from a durability perspective, obviously, one of the hallmarks of something like a PD-1 inhibitor such as pembrolizumab, durability of response is really a hallmark of immunotherapy. And it brings enormous value, as Clay says.

We have generated duration of response in Cohort A, and it looks very favorable. It's long, certainly longer than one would expect with chemotherapy, which is probably somewhere in the seven months median durability, something of that order or thereabouts. But from a -- we need to basically present the data from Cohort K, relook at that durability. There's, on first principles, every reason to believe that it could be favorable, but we need to see the data.

The individual therapy, which is the monotherapy of Padcev in that trial, there is no specific setup to directly compare. But obviously, these are contemporaneously randomized patients. The main value we see of the Padcev monotherapy is to more understand or more clearly understand the contribution of components. But that data set will stand by itself as well.

And so obviously, when we've had that data out and we can look at it, we can make judgments as to the nature of -- or the quality and durability of Padcev monotherapy.

Michael Schmidt -- Guggenheim Partners -- Analyst

OK, great. Thank you.

Operator

The next question will come from Matthew Harrison with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Unknown speaker -- Morgan Stanley -- Analyst

Hi. I'm Steve asking for Matthew. So my question is about the DV. So because I see that you are pursuing the HER2-low breast cancer, I want to ask why you do this and what differentiation part that you see compared to Enhertu in this front? Thank you.

Clay Siegall -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Well, hi. Thanks for the question on DV. So one of the things we really like about DV is it doesn't use trastuzumab. Trastuzumab is the name -- the generic name for Herceptin.

And that same antibody is in Kadcyla and Enhertu. And so we've studied that. We know the internalization rate of that antibody. And we know that the antibody that's in DV has a very rapid internalization, much more rapid.

And so we think that's an attribute to that antibody-drug conjugate. So we're excited for that product. We've seen data that's already exciting in HER2 -- in patients that have low HER2. And we also know that DV works in combination with PD-1s, and we've seen data to that.

And so we think that that's also differentiating because some of the other camptothecin-containing ADC, camptothecin-type molecule containing ADCs don't seem to have yet shown that they work well with PD-1s. Perhaps we'll see that in the future. But the data I've seen to date is not as compelling as I've seen the data with our vedotin ADCs in combination with PD-1. So we think that as a single agent, the rapid internalization is differentiating versus trastuzumab or the core antibody for the two ADCs targeted to HER2 on the market.

And the second thing is the combination with PD-1 also is potentially differentiating. So I think those give us excitement that this is a differentiated product.

Operator

The next question will come from Geoff Meacham with Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Greg Harrison -- Bank of America Merrill Lynch -- Analyst

Hi. This is Greg on for Geoff. So how are you thinking about the Padcev and Tukysa, ex U.S., opportunities? Obviously, there are different economics between the two. But do you see any differences in their respective peaks and commercial dynamics relative to what we've seen in the U.S.? And is the peak Adcetris sales relative to U.S., is that an instructive comparison here?

Clay Siegall -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Thanks. These are really good questions. I do want to point out a few things that are critical to trying to address your question. First of all, Tukysa is something that in Europe, we had our own sales force and we are prosecuting that and gaining many approvals and trying to country by country get reimbursement.

With Padcev in Europe, we're working with our partner, Astellas. And it's their territory where they lead the charge. So we lead the charge in Europe with Tukysa, Astellas leads the charge in Padcev. We love both drugs.

I just wanted to set up the ground rules for different dynamics there. With Adcetris, so that you know those dynamics, we have the U.S. and Canada, we lead the commercial sales force and marketing. And outside the U.S., it's Takeda.

So there's differences with each of these drugs and how it's commercialized, depending on who does it and what territory and what partner or we do it. And so the opportunities for these drugs are strong. And the reason they're strong around the globe is because these are good drugs. And as you know, cancer drugs don't know borders and boundaries and countries and politics.

This is about patients. And it doesn't matter where they are. If they can benefit from our drugs, we're very excited about it, and we want to bring our drugs to these patients. So the ex U.S.

opportunity for Adcetris is something we have a lot more experience with. You brought that up at the end of your question. And the ex U.S. opportunity for Adcetris has actually done well.

Todd, can you talk a little bit about how we look at it and what the differences are kind of economically speaking?

Todd Simpson -- Chief Financial Officer

Yeah. So let me first say Clay's right. We booked sales for Tukysa in Europe, and it's a profit share with the sales for Padcev in Europe. So a little bit different treatment there.

I would say, in general, when you look at drug launches in the U.S. versus drug launches in Europe, there are probably two things that I think are worth noting. Number one is, in the U.S., you launch a drug, you set a price and sort of you're off to the races. And then with subsequent labels, you expand patient populations.

In Europe, it's different. You get approval and then you need to go country by country to negotiate prices. In some countries, you can launch with, I call it a kind of a provisional price for different names in different countries for it. But in some markets like France and Germany, you can access the market commercially while you're negotiating your price.

In other markets throughout Europe, you have to negotiate a price before you're allowed to launch. So what does that do to our launch trajectory? It tends to spread it out. Europe tends to be a little slower in how it reaches peak than in the U.S. because you don't have these impediments to getting to the market.

With Europe, you need to negotiate country by country, and that slows things down. Obviously, you want to try to focus your initial efforts in the key markets, which is what we have done. The other, I guess, element that I would point out is typically, European prices are lower than U.S. prices.

So while there may be the same general number of patients in the U.S. and in Europe, the pricing tends to be different. That's number one. And then number two, the rate at which you get to the market is different for Europe.

And then also, typically, in Europe, as you launch additional labels, your price tends to go down.

Greg Harrison -- Bank of America Merrill Lynch -- Analyst

Got it. Super helpful. Thanks a lot.

Operator

The next question will come from Gena Wang with Barclays. Please go ahead.

Gena Wang -- Barclays -- Analyst

Thank you. Just one question regarding the arbitration decision. If positive, should we expect royalty also until November 2024? And also, should we expect the royalty be in a similar range to 8% mentioned for the past sales from the jury verdict?

Clay Siegall -- President and Chief Executive Officer

So Gena, thank you for the question. I'm really glad that you asked this question. It's something that we hope that gets resolved in the not-too-distant future as there's been already one court ruling on the patent infringement. So let's address your questions.

Let's start with the patent infringement. So the jury ruled and awarded us 8%, as you had mentioned, for previous sales, which is what the jury was asked to decide upon. That was it. Previous sales and was willful infringement, that was also in there, and that's something that's a public record that you know about.

And so that's till basically the time of the court case for the patent infringement. The rest of it and you brought up November of 2024, that's to the underlying patent that was being infringed. So we have -- we work with the judge in that patent infringement case. And you provide information to the judge and you request that -- and this is legal things and I'm not a lawyer, but you request the judge to provide you with a royalty going forward till the end of the patent life.

Now this is still on the patent infringement, not the arbitration. So I don't want anyone to get confused. And the judge will decide what the royalty is. I think the 8% that the jury decided on historic is potentially something that you could look at, but it's up to the judge.

So I don't want to begin to say whether the judge will do lower, higher, or the same. It's really up to the judge. The second thing and the second part of your question is the arbitration. Now that is based on contractual issues that we had with Daiichi Sankyo based on our almost nine years of working together with them and teaching them all about our ADC technology and how to employ it.

And so that is not subject, we do not believe that is subject to the end of this specific patent. What it would be contractually would be subject to any patent life of those molecules that include our linker. And each molecule by molecule is usually, most companies, what they do, we included is will patent any unique molecule. And then you have the underlying technology, if you will.

So if they patent a new molecule using our linker system and that new molecule patent life goes through, let's say, 2034, just to pick a date, then what we're asking the arbitration is for value through that 2034 time for sales. And since they have quite a number of molecules using our technology and they don't have the same exact patent lives because there are different molecules that were made at different times, there could be a range of outcomes of times that if we win the arbitration, that royalties or some value thereof that -- I don't want to assume the judge will pick royalties. The judge can do whatever the judge wants to in determining value. And so that could be determined based on many more years than 2024 because it could be the end of the patent life of those specific molecules on a case-by-case basis.

Also for those molecules, it would not be based on the U.S. sales, which is the patent that we're talking about. Our contract was global. So for us, it would be based on global sales, and that global -- those global sales could be over a substantial period of time.

That could stretch into 2030s, depending on molecule. Does that -- I hope that provides you with what you need for understanding, Gena.

Gena Wang -- Barclays -- Analyst

Yeah, yeah. So maybe just a follow-up question. So who would decide the royalty rate? And then would that be like when the arbitrator make a decision -- announce the decision, will he also announce the royalty rate? Or will you be negotiating with Daiichi about the individual royalty rate for each individual asset?

Clay Siegall -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Well, Gena, I want to compliment you on the question. So I don't know the answer to that because it's up to the judge. But I want to compliment you on the question because the judge can rule and decide there's a royalty rate. And that's what the judge can do.

The judge could decide there's cash or it could be only cash or cash and royalty and a lot of different things that the arbitrations, I should say, not just judge, the arbitration judge, not the patent infringement judge, can make a decision on what type of value that this should come to Seagen if he determines that we made our case and it was correct. So that's up to the arbitration judge. The arbitration judge could also rule that the linkage inside of Enhertu in their other molecules is Seagen's. And the judge could say, Seagen and Daiichi need to work this out and come to royalty in discussions.

So it is not something that is up to us, it's up to the arbitration judge in this case.

Gena Wang -- Barclays -- Analyst

OK. Thank you.

Operator

The next question will come from Andy Hsieh with William Blair. Please go ahead.

Andy Hsieh -- William Blair -- Analyst

Great. Thanks for taking my question. So related to all the questions about the HER2 franchise, I think fusion is in a very unique position where you have a HER2-targeted ADC and a small molecule. So I'm just curious if you could share your thinking on how to take advantage of this strategic attribute.

And along the same lines, I think Roger mentioned about the amplified and mutated population. So I'm curious if you're open to kind of sharing with us any sort of plans there as well. Thank you.

Clay Siegall -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Andy, thank you for the interesting questions. And in fact, we're really proud that we have a HER2 franchise with our small molecule and our antibody, targeting the inside of the cell and the HER2 through the HER2 tyrosine kinase is an important mechanism targeting outside of the cell through an ADC, through an antibody that then delivers a potency to be inside of the cell, we think could come at it and really attack the cancer cell and do well by patients. And Roger, perhaps you could talk about your thoughts on combining outside of the cell and inside of the cell targeting and other questions that Andy had on any populations.

Roger Dansey -- Chief Medical Officer

Sure, Clay. Thanks for the question, Andy. Yeah, you're right. I mean, we have two active drugs.

DV already has an activity profile that's been generated in China and already has approvals in China. And so I think we have not disclosed any specific plans, but it's an obvious place for us to think carefully about where could DV be valuable for Tukysa. And in the opposite direction, where could Tukysa potentially be valuable in a disitamab vedotin development program. So we're busy thinking those things through.

It's certainly under consideration. I would just reiterate, the DV program, as we've currently designed this, is basically taking and building off of the data that's come out of the RemeGen data from China. So for example, going after bladder cancer, it's not a sort of an obvious traditional place to go for a HER2 agent, but they have already generated very interesting data. So we think that that's an important point to take further and see if we can make something of that and turn that into a product.

Because it's an open IND, and we've already begun what we have designated as a pivotal trial, potentially looking for accelerated approval in a HER2 population. And then the other piece of DV, which is going and after the HER2 low is also based on data generated from RemeGen. So those two things are sort of put out in the public are the two obvious places to start, but there is lots of opportunity. And we're excited, exactly as you say, we're excited to have two products in that same area because there's just so much potential efficiency and sort of synergy, if you will, at multiple levels for us.

Andy Hsieh -- William Blair -- Analyst

And would you be willing to share any sort of thoughts on the amplified or mutated indications and strategy?

Roger Dansey -- Chief Medical Officer

I apologize. I got carried away talking about the two together. Yes, we have a basket trial running with Tukysa. So we're obviously very interested in a Tukysa-trastuzumab combination across many different tumor types.

Obvious ones that come to mind include things like biliary tract cancer, mutant non-small cell lung cancer, and so on. So we're generating that data. And clearly, from a strategic perspective, that type of thinking could be applied to DV as well. Again, we've not disclosed any of that information, but I can just assure you, we're thinking through all the possible opportunities, both as individual agents, Tukysa combined with the trastuzumab approach, and DV as a single agent, and then potentially the two together.

Andy Hsieh -- William Blair -- Analyst

That's very helpful. Thank you so much.

Operator

The next question will come from Jay Olson with Oppenheimer. Please go ahead.

Jay Olson -- Oppenheimer and Company -- Analyst

Oh, hey, congrats on the quarter, and thanks for taking the question. t I just wanted to follow up on DV. Since you initiated the registrational trial of DV in patients with HER2-positive metastatic urothelial cancer, can you just describe the rationale behind prioritizing that trial over other trials? And then since you have Phase 2 data for DV at ASCO and HER2-negative patients with locally advanced or metastatic urothelial cancer, can you just comment on how those results may read across to the potential for DV and other HER2-negative tumor types? Thank you.

Clay Siegall -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Sure, Jay. Thanks. These are very interesting questions. I will remind you that DV is an exciting drug in urothelial cancer.

It's got great data, and I believe it has breakthrough designation as well. So it's something that there's a lot of real information and rationale to go forward. Roger, do you want to comment about the other parts of the question and what we're thinking about DV and urothelial cancer?

Roger Dansey -- Chief Medical Officer

Sure. Yeah. So just to reiterate, in bladder -- in urothelial cancer, actually HER2 expression is in a meaningful number of patients. Its biological relevance may be there.

It may be an important component potentially. But regardless of that, it's a surface marker. And that's what an ADC needs to internalize. And so basically, as I said earlier, we already have an IND.

We have breakthrough therapy designation, and we have a trial that we have initiated. So it's an obvious step from our perspective to take DV into urothelial cancer as a unique molecule. Because from the point of view of who else is developing therapies in urothelial cancer in the HER2 space, I think we're pretty much alone and that's important. Secondly, of course, the data that has been generated to date is really exciting.

And so we think we can bring potentially another product with clinical value to patients with urothelial cancer. With regard to, again, the sort of HER2-low breast cancer, it's the same principle. We see that as an important opportunity. Clay outlined all the potential differentiating features of the -- including the antibody itself, the potential combination with PD-1 inhibitors.

We haven't disclosed the details of our development plans. But when we do, hopefully, that will be helpful for you to understand how we're thinking about this. You did mention some data being presented. I'm not entirely clear what you're referring to.

But I would just say, in general, again, on sort of first principles, ADCs require receptor expression on the surface that don't necessarily require that receptor to be biologically relevant to the tumor. All it needs to do is internalize. So just as other molecules have gone after populations with relatively low HER2 expression, so we see DV in the same way.

Jay Olson -- Oppenheimer and Company -- Analyst

Great. Thank you.

Operator

The next question will come from Ren Benjamin with JMP Securities. Please go ahead.

Ren Benjamin -- JMP Securities -- Analyst

Hey, good afternoon, guys. Thanks for taking the questions, and congrats on the quarter. Can you provide us maybe some color regarding the ongoing evaluation of the LV and how that might advance going forward? And if you had to pick kind of like the greatest fit at ASCO, maybe a couple that could drive practice changes, maybe one that's asleep or that you feel shouldn't be overlooked.

Clay Siegall -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Sure. So LV is an active drug. And we have this partnered with Merck, and we've seen it active in a lot of regards, single-agent combination studies. We've been trying to find the best dose schedule, patient selection, line of therapy.

There's something -- there's an excitement there, but it has taken longer than we had initially thought to get to where we could consider a pivotal trial. We're trying to do our best there. It's a competitive and crowded space. And Roger could perhaps make a comment.

But I want to just talk a little bit about ASCO first. I don't know exactly what you're asking on ASCO. So I'll tell you what I'd like to tell you, which is I think with Adcetris, we have a pediatric study that's very exciting, and we have our frontline study, our ECHELON-1 six-year survival data. And where we really have -- we have a 41% reduction in the risk of death.

We're going to show the Kaplan-Meier plots and all the data. This is both in patients with -- pediatric patients with Hodgkin lymphoma and in adults with stage 3 and 4 Hodgkin lymphoma. The data we have is it's really life-altering if you have those diseases nearing those categories because an Adcetris regimen work tremendously well. So we're proud of that, and we're going to be proud to show the data and the -- which would detail the impact on potential patients.

Roger, do you want to make any comments on LV or on the Adcetris data at ASCO?

Roger Dansey -- Chief Medical Officer

Yeah. No, firstly, on the Adcetris, as Clay said, finding an overall survival positive signal in Hodgkin lymphoma is almost unprecedented. There's very little historically that has been able to do that. So we're super excited by that data.

With regards to LV, again, I'll reiterate what Clay said. This is an active agent, both as a monotherapy and in combination with Keytruda. And we presented data in that regard. But again, as Clay said, it's a competitive space.

We understand what the profile needs to be in order for us to trigger a pivotal trial, and we continue to work on dose and schedule. So we haven't disclosed any more information. All I can tell you is we're still working hard at that to see if we can create the right profile, the clinical profile from either the monotherapy or the combination to bring forward and test further.

Ren Benjamin -- JMP Securities -- Analyst

Got it. And I guess just on the ASCO bit, and Clay, your answer is just fine. In terms of the sleeper, I guess, you guys have 23 to 24 abstracts. So is there anything that I might overlook that you think it's earlier stage, but might make sense to really kind of focus on because you're feeling quite excited about it?

Clay Siegall -- President and Chief Executive Officer

So many things are important in there to look at. So I don't know that I want to just tell you one thing to focus on. I think the -- I'll stand by my comment that the Adcetris data is, to me, the most critically exciting.

Ren Benjamin -- JMP Securities -- Analyst

Excellent. Thank you.

Operator

The next question will come from Ami Fadia with Needham & Company. Please go ahead.

Amin Makarem -- Needham and Company -- Analyst

Hello. Thank you, guys. This is Amin Makarem on behalf of Ami asking the question. My question is related to Tivdak and the early market movements.

But I wanted to know if you guys are thinking about the early launch of Tivdak? And how do we see the potential of growth for it?

Clay Siegall -- President and Chief Executive Officer

OK. Well, we haven't really guided to Tivdak as far as the growth for it yet. So we're not going to do that yet. But as far as the early dynamics, Chip, would you like to comment on the early dynamics in Tivdak?

Chip Romp -- Executive Vice President, Commercial U.S.

Sure, Clay. So the launch is going very well. The physicians are very excited to have a new treatment alternative for patients, quite frankly, that are in really tough situations. So we've been really pleased with the current results we have for 1Q, and we look forward to continuing to grow the brand throughout the remainder of the year.

Amin Makarem -- Needham and Company -- Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

The next question will come from Zhiqiang Shu with Berenberg. Please go ahead.

Zhiqiang Shu -- Berenberg Capital Markets -- Analyst

Great. Thank you very much for taking the question. I have two questions on Padcev. On the Q1 sales side, it's very nice to see there's -- there was another $9 million coming from clinical trials.

I guess for the full year 2022, do you expect to see more sales from supplying clinical trials? And then second question on the Cohort A side. As we know, it's a randomized, two-arm randomized trial. What do you expect to see the ORR in the mono assets are? The reason why I asked that question is we're seeing 44% in the event setting have already. And if you can replicate the combination, 70-plus or in the combination arm, you can see more in the frontline on Padcev.

How do you think that -- how do you think the influence of that expansion could be? Thank you very much.

Clay Siegall -- President and Chief Executive Officer

So first of all, Todd, can you address the clinical trial question on -- clinical trial supply question. And then maybe, Roger, you go into Cohort K. And we can't provide all the data that you're looking for, obviously. That will come out with our data.

So we can't give you specifics and tell you what is required and what the line is and everything. But Roger could give you a general comment. Todd, can you talk about the clinical trial supply?

Todd Simpson -- Chief Financial Officer

Sure. Yeah, happy to. As we've said earlier, there was a $9 million clinical supply order in Q1. We try to call those out when they happen.

I think if you go back a few quarters, I think it was maybe third quarter of last year, there was a, I think, about a $7 million order. With respect to your question about guidance, that's typically not something that we try to build into our guidance. Although I did comment earlier that this $9 million was included in our guidance because when we gave our guidance, that it already shipped. So while we're -- will there potentially be more orders? Potentially.

But we don't control those. Even if someone said we might do it, that's not typically something we would include. We would wait to see them actually come in. 

Roger Dansey -- Chief Medical Officer

And then in relation to Cohort K in Padcev, you are right. In a previously treated population, including exposure to platinum agents and PD-1 or PD-1 inhibitors, we have generated response rates in the sort of 40% to 50% range, 50% range with monotherapy. And we have not to date had any data in an untreated population. So I mean I can't speculate on what that number will look like.

We all need to generate it, and then we'll understand what Padcev monotherapy looks like in that space. I would also just reiterate it is randomized yes, which is important. The -- again, the primary purpose for the monotherapy is to understand the contribution of components for the combination, but that data does stand by itself. And so again, we have the chance to evaluate Padcev monotherapy in and of itself next to the combination.

Zhiqiang Shu -- Berenberg Capital Markets -- Analyst

Very helpful. Thank you very much.

Operator

The next question will come from Joe Catanzaro with Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.

Joe Catanzaro -- Piper Sandler -- Analyst

Hey, guys, thanks so much for squeezing me in. Maybe one quick one from me. So I think, Chip, you spoke about the delay of patient flow into the third-line setting with the adoption of Enhertu. I know it's still early, but just wondering if you have any assumptions around when the new steady state of patients moving into third-line therapy is achieved.

And whether that new normal is something that might be achieved in 2022. Thanks.

Clay Siegall -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Chip, go ahead.

Chip Romp -- Executive Vice President, Commercial U.S.

Yeah. Thanks, Clay. Yeah. So it's a good question.

It's difficult to actually kind of forecast that. First, they've got to get approval on the label. And then we've got to see what that looks like to kind of assess the potential market impact. I think it is important to note that changes to the second line -- changes to a second-line regimen can cause delays in new patient starts in the third line, especially if that regimen introduces a longer duration of response.

Joe Catanzaro -- Piper Sandler -- Analyst

OK. Thanks.

Operator

This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Ms. Peggy Pinkston for any closing remarks. Please go ahead, ma'am.

Peggy Pinkston -- Senior Vice President of Investor Relations

OK. Thank you so much, operator. I appreciate everyone's questions and comments today. Have a great evening.

Operator

[Operator signoff]

Duration: 81 minutes

Call participants:

Peggy Pinkston -- Senior Vice President of Investor Relations

Clay Siegall -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Todd Simpson -- Chief Financial Officer

Chip Romp -- Executive Vice President, Commercial U.S.

Roger Dansey -- Chief Medical Officer

Cory Kasimov -- J.P. Morgan -- Analyst

Salveen Richter -- Goldman Sachs -- Analyst

Andrew Berens -- SVB Leerink -- Analyst

Michael Schmidt -- Guggenheim Partners -- Analyst

Unknown speaker -- Morgan Stanley -- Analyst

Greg Harrison -- Bank of America Merrill Lynch -- Analyst

Gena Wang -- Barclays -- Analyst

Andy Hsieh -- William Blair -- Analyst

Jay Olson -- Oppenheimer and Company -- Analyst

Ren Benjamin -- JMP Securities -- Analyst

Amin Makarem -- Needham and Company -- Analyst

Zhiqiang Shu -- Berenberg Capital Markets -- Analyst

Joe Catanzaro -- Piper Sandler -- Analyst

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