I explained to him that an excellent place to start is to look at the quality of the "rule makers" of a company -- that's what he calls the leaders. For public companies, this begins with the CEO and ends with the board of directors. To illustrate, I looked up the compensation for two equivalent board positions for two excellent companies.
Until last week, Edward M. Liddy served on the board of directors of Goldman Sachs
Now, keep in mind that's for four meetings per year. If Liddy spent eight hours in each of his four board meetings, his hourly rate equates to just over $24,000/hour.
As I explained this to Cal, his eyes got big and he blurted out, "That's way too much."
I also checked Berkshire Hathaway
Cal's response: "I would rather work for that other company."
Is one system better than the other?
I explained to Cal that you can't judge any investment by a single factor. Another thing you'll want to check is how well the rule makers manage and invest the company's money.
One of these two companies repurchased more than $26 billion of their own stock in the five years that ended in November 2007. It also issued quite a bit of stock to employees, getting paid about $4 billion for the newly printed shares. The net result for shareholders was a reduced share count of about 82 million shares, for a net cost to fellow shareholders of over $22 billion. That works out to about $275 per share. Unfortunately, the shares are now around $120, and they've never fetched more than about $250.
Cal: "That was a waste of money. Maybe I don't want to work for them."
I explained that he had it half right. Someone once said that if you want to get rich from an investment bank, you should work for one, not invest in one.
Those few numbers are enough to make a second-grader question whether most directors are truly representing the shareholders' best interests. When push comes to shove, will they step in and question management when things get difficult -- and risk losing their lucrative role as an advisor?
I'm guessing someone will be looking at the roles the directors played at many of the large financial firms that have been in the news of late: Lehman Brothers, Bear Stearns, Countrywide, Fannie Mae
How do your companies stack up?
For my own diligence, I began checking the "rule makers" of some of our other investments. The head of the audit committee at Limited Brands
During that time it reduced the share count from 523 million to 346 million, a reduction of about 34%. It also issued some new shares -- collecting $517 million for those. All in, it cost around $27 per share. With the share price currently sitting around $12, it doesn't look like a great use of capital.
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Buck Hartzell owns shares of Berkshire Hathaway and The Limited. Cal is still saving his allowance for his first stock purchase. Limited Brands is a Motley Fool Income Investor pick. Limited Brands and Berkshire are Motley Fool Inside Value selections. Berkshire is also a Motley Fool Stock Advisor pick. The Fool owns shares of Berkshire and has a disclosure policy.