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Prestige Brands Holdings Inc  (NYSE:PBH)
Q3 2019 Earnings Conference Call
Feb. 07, 2019, 8:30 a.m. ET

Contents:

Prepared Remarks:

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Prestige Consumer Healthcare, Third Quarter 2019 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question-and-answer session and instructions will follow at that time.

(Operator Instruction). As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. I would now like to introduce your host for today's conference, Mr. Phil Terpolilli, Director of Investor Relations. Sir, you may begin.

Philip Terpolilli -- Director of Investor Relations

Thank you, operator, and good morning to everyone on the phone. Joining me on the call today are Ron Lombardi, our Chairman, President and CEO and Chris Sacco, our CFO. On today's call, we will cover the highlights of our fiscal 2019 third quarter, review the financial results in our fiscal '19 outlook and then take questions from analysts. We have a slide presentation which accompanies today's call that can accessed by visiting prestigeconsumerhealthcare.com, clicking on the Investors link and then on today's webcast and presentation.

Please remember some of the information contained in this presentation today includes non-GAAP financial measures. The reconciliations between adjusted and reported financial measures are included in today's earnings release and slide presentation.

During today's call, management will make forward-looking statements around risks and uncertainties, which we detail on the complete safe harbor disclosure on Page 2 of the slide presentation accompanying the call. Additional information concerning risk factors and cautionary statements are available in our most recent SEC filings and the most recent Company 10-K.

I'll now hand it over to our CEO, Ron Lombardi to walk through the highlights of our fiscal third quarter performance. Ron?

Ronald Lombardi -- Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, Phil, and good morning, everyone. Let's begin on Page 5. In Q3, we delivered solid profit and cash flow. This profitability was underpinned by our asset-light model and leading position in the OTC aisle. EPS grew over 4% versus the prior year, driven by our strong financial profile and solid free cash flow which allowed us to pay down $55 million in debt during the quarter.

This profit performance demonstrates the benefits of our business model, which helped to partially offset revenue challenges in Q3. Although we continue to experience consumption trends in excess of shipments, Q3's top line was impacted by significant retailer inventory reductions at the end of the quarter.

Despite inventory reduction, our business success is ultimately driven by consumer takeaway where we continue to win. Our brands are well positioned for long-term success using our time-tested brand building playbook to add value for both retailers and consumers. Today we'll discuss two excellent examples of brands that demonstrate this strategy.

So while we are disappointed in Q3 top line results, we are confident in the underpinnings of our strategy in what is a challenging retail environment for some of our retail partners. Now let's turn to slide 6 for more detail on our Q3 results. Our net sales were approximately $241 million, down 3.1% versus the prior year on an organic basis.

The primary driver to the decline was inventory reductions within the drug channel. Sales performance in North America was positively impacted by continued strength in the GI and ear and eye care categories while performance in the oral care subcategory has been impacted by changes at shelf.

In Q3, our International segment was essentially flat versus prior year and is up 2% year to date after adjusting for foreign exchange. As a reminder, we can and do experience quarterly timing variations in distributor orders and shipment patterns in our international business.

The redesigned BC and Goody's packaging which we've discussed throughout the year has made continued progress and is now largely rolled out across channels. I'm pleased to report initial sell-through trends remained solid with positive consumer feedback aligned with our expectations.

Total company gross margin in Q3 came in at 57.7%, up 30 basis points sequentially from Q2. Chris will make further comments on gross margin later. Adjusted free cash flow was $57 million in the quarter and continues to benefit from our industry-leading EBITDA margin, minimal capital spending needs and low cash tax rate. Last, we paid down $55 million of debt in Q3 with our ongoing cash generation.

This continued reduction of debt will enable future capital allocation optionality. With that, let's summarize our year-to-date highlights on slide 7. Stepping back, we feel good about the long-term trends of our business even with the Q3 top line challenges discussed. For consumption, which is the long-term driver of sales growth, we've continued the long-term trend of outgrowing categories across our leading portfolio.

We outpaced category growth and private label with consumption growth of nearly 2% year to date. This performance was affected by a softness in certain incident rates largely in cough, cold and head lice during Q3, although we did not see a direct impact on sales in the quarter, it is impacting full year consumption and we now anticipate being slightly below our 2% to 3% consumption target for fiscal '19.

Meanwhile, profitability remained strong. We've normalized freight and warehouse cost issues previously discussed and the important rollout of BC and Goody's has trended on plan.

Profitability continues to translate into consistent and industry leading cash flow, allowing us to paydown $155 million of debt year-to-date.

With that, let's turn to Slide 8. Even in a challenging retailer and incident level environment, our brands are well positioned for success and this slide is an excellent reminder of that. Our strong brand and diverse portfolio allows us to use a wide variety of brand building approaches. With number one market share brands representing approximately two-thirds of our sales, we are focused on the end goal of driving category growth, a result of these investments as long-term growth for our brands in excess of the category they compete at.

In the drug channel, which represents about 25% of our business, we expect ongoing destocking efforts in response to sales trends in industry consolidation. But for these retailers, our brands are adding tremendous value by offering needs based high-ring and innovative products which can help improve traffic and basket size for these retailers.

This was evidenced in Q3 where despite destocking efforts, our brands outgrew categories meaningfully at drug. However, our Company continues to benefit from a diverse channel mix with our brands well distributed across other channels, including mass, food, dollar, convenience and e-commerce.

Looking at the graph on the slide, it's clear our strategy to invest behind brands is yielding results. In these other channels, our core brands are going well in excess of categories driven by our time tested brand building efforts. For an example of a brand executing this playbook, let's turn to Slide 9 and discuss Nix.

The Nix brand was acquired in 2014 as part of our inside acquisition and as a brand that fits well with our long-term acquisition criteria. Even in the category like lice treatment, brand building, new products and innovation are important. It's an excellent example of the long-term success of our brand-building investment strategy. It's also a timely example, since it illustrates the value our brands can deliver even with incident level fluctuations as outbreaks levels are down almost 5% this year.

We have achieved success with Nix from many factors. We've introduced new products like Nix Ultra, which is effective against Super Lice and better positions our brand with consumers and retailers. We've also run TV and digital campaigns for Nix to grow awareness with parents and school nurses while concurrently launching an online lice tracker to help these consumers identify when a lice outbreak has occurred.

The results of these efforts is that over the last three years, Nix has won meaningful additional share of the category, while at the same time winning impressive distribution for the brand due to its new product positioning and support strategy.

Further, despite sharply lower lice outbreaks in fiscal '19, we continue to outperform the lice treatment category performance both in Q3 and year-to-date.

Let's turn to Slide 10. Compound W is the second of many examples of a strong core brand that has both a history of outperformance and ample runway for future growth. Compound W is one of the few OTC brands that were owned at the formation of the Company. It's a longer-term example of winning with the consumer and ultimately with the retailer through brand building.

We became the number one brand in the wart removal category several years ago and have grown our leading position even further over the last three years, expanding our share by nearly six points. As you can see in the chart on the right, Compound W has meaningfully outperformed the category over the last few years.

We've accomplished this growth through our brand-building strategy, including strong marketing support around new product introductions, most recent examples of this include a kid's bandage offering and the newly launched Nitrofreeze product, which offers new extreme freezing technology to provide the highest cure rate with just one treatment.

In conclusion, these two brands are a reminder of the opportunity that our portfolio has to drive long-term category growth. There is abundant opportunity to utilize consumer insights to drive long-term demand, which we have a history of success with.

With that, I'll turn it over to Chris to walk through Q3 financials in greater detail.

Christine Sacco -- Chief Financial Officer

Thank you, Ron. Good morning, everyone. As Ron reviewed in brief earlier, I'd like to walk through our third quarter results in greater detail, as well as offer certain expectations as we look ahead. As a reminder, the information in today's presentation includes adjusted results that are reconciled in our earnings release.

On Slide 12 you can see our high level third quarter results, which included EPS growth of approximately 4% versus the prior year as we continue to deliver strong profitability. We've reported an organic revenue decline of 3.1% to $241.4 million which as Ron discussed earlier was impacted primarily by inventory reductions at certain key drug retailers.

Adjusted EBITDA in Q3 declined versus prior year due to the household divestiture, the impacts of BC and Goody's packaging launch and the retailer inventory reductions. Now let's turn to Slide 13, where I'll discuss consolidated results. For the third quarter fiscal '19, our net revenues decreased 11% to approximately $241 million, but were down approximately 3% on an organic basis as I just mentioned, after excluding the effects of the household divestiture and foreign currency.

Year-to-date, we were also impacted by the launch of BC and Goody's new packaging, as well as a change in accounting policies around revenue recognition and the timing of certain deductions against gross sales. Regarding this change, I would remind you the timing change we are referring to relates to the timing of certain deductions against gross sales that we've discussed on previous earnings calls.

The gross margin came in at 57.7% for the third quarter, up both sequentially and year-over-year. We benefited from the divestiture of the lower margin Household Cleaning segment in the quarter and continue to normalize freight and warehousing costs. These benefits were partially offset by Q3 impacts from the previously mentioned BC and Goody's packaging rollout, which continues to have certain transition costs as well as continued cost previously allocated to the household cleaning business which remained following divestiture. We continue to expect full-year fiscal '19 gross margin of approximately 57%.

Regarding A&P, we came in at 14.3% of revenue for Q3. As a reminder, we anticipated a lower A&P spend, as a percent of sales in the second half of fiscal '19 versus the first half and we still expect our full year to approximate 14.5% of sales.

As expected, our adjusted G&A spending came in at just under 9% of total revenues in the third quarter and year-to-date fiscal '19. As a reminder, G&A dollars are largely fixed and the result is modest deleveraging against G&A, as a result of the divestiture of household as we move forward.

Last, we reported earnings per share in Q3 of $0.73 and $2.06 year-to-date, both representing mid single-digit growth versus the prior year as the favorable tax rate more than offset the operating income change resulting from the retailer inventory reduction and household divestiture we've discussed.

Now let's turn to Slide 14 to discuss our cash flow. In Q3, we generated $57.2 million in adjusted free cash flow, which is adjusted to exclude approximately $12 million in tax payments associated with the sale of our household cleaning business.

We anticipate $200 million or more of adjusted free cash flow for the full fiscal year. Our net debt at December 31st, was $1.8 billion and equated to a net debt to EBITDA leverage ratio of 5.1 times. We continue to anticipate using free cash flow principally for debt reduction. As a reminder, we anticipate operating at lower leverage levels versus historical rates and are targeting a range of 3.5 times to 5 times going forward.

I'd like to now turn it back to Ron for discussions surrounding our outlook and some closing remarks.

Ronald Lombardi -- Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, Chris. Let's wrap up with some closing remarks and a review of our outlook for fiscal '19 on slide 16. For net sales, we anticipate fiscal '19 to be in the range of approximately $970 million to $975 million with organic revenue growth of flat to up about 0.5%. Similar to year-to-date, we expect our full year consumption growth to exceed sales meaningfully as retailers are expected to reduce inventory levels.

As we look ahead, although we are not giving formal fiscal '20 guidance at this point, we do anticipate inventory reductions to continue to be a headwind in the upcoming year. For profitability, we anticipate EPS to be in the range of $2.75 to $2.78 or plus 7% to plus 8% year-over-year.

Regarding cash flow, we expect full year adjusted cash flow of $200 million or more. In summary, despite inventory reductions impacting revenues in Q3, we delivered solid profitability and our long-term brand building focus has us positioned for long-term success. We have confidence in our three-pillar strategy of growing our top line by winning with consumers, maintaining our strong financial profile and consistent cash flow and our disciplined capital allocation approach to enhance shareholder value.

Executing against this formula is a simple and effective three-pillar strategy that has us positioned for continued success.

With that, I'd like to turn it over to the operator for questions.

Questions and Answers:

Operator

Thank you. (Operator Instructions). Our first question comes from Joe Altobello with Raymond James. Your line is now open.

Joseph Nicholas Altobello -- Raymond James & Associates, Inc. -- Analyst

Thanks. Hey guys, good morning. So, I guess I'll start with the -- with the drug channel since it was a -- the big issue of the quarter here. I think in one of your exhibits on page 8, you excluded the drug channel in terms of consumption, I could see why you would do that for shipments, why would you exclude the drug channel in terms of consumption, has your shelf space in the drug channel changed at all? And I guess, you know, more to the point, if you look at your year-to-date consumption, I think it was up 1.8% in total, but was up 3.1% ex-drugs. So I'm curious why consumption is down so much in the drug channel and not just shipments. Thanks.

Ronald Lombardi -- Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer

Hey, good morning, Joe. So the -- for consumption in the drug channel, we've actually seen a long period of declining consumption trends in that channel and the point of that chart in today's slide deck was to show that in our needs based categories that essentially we're seeing consumption in shoppers move to other channels for our products. We're not losing share, we're not seeing a share shift away from our branded products to competitors or private label in the drug channel.

So that was the intent there to show that we continue to feel good about the overall consumption of our business in the long-term trends, and then secondarily during the third quarter, the impact on our shipments was a disconnect between the consumption rates even in that drug channel and shipments into the channel, Joe.

Joseph Nicholas Altobello -- Raymond James & Associates, Inc. -- Analyst

Okay. So basically you're reflecting just a long-term ongoing trend here in that channel or out of that channel, I guess so.

Ronald Lombardi -- Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer

Yes, right.

Joseph Nicholas Altobello -- Raymond James & Associates, Inc. -- Analyst

Okay. And then secondly, you alluded to capital allocation optionality and you said earlier as well, obviously debt reduction is the focus, but beyond that, when you talk about optionality, what's the greater priority? Is it M&A or share repurchases at these levels?

Christine Sacco -- Chief Financial Officer

Hey, Joe it's Chris. No, again we continue to prioritize debt pay down as our primary use of our free cash flow, obviously we will remain opportunistic when we think about share repurchase, and then again, always open thinking about M&A, but as we mentioned, we're targeting now a 3.5 times to 5 times leverage ratio.

So all those things will come into play as we look forward, but as we sit here today, still continuing to prioritize debt pay down as our number one priority.

Joseph Nicholas Altobello -- Raymond James & Associates, Inc. -- Analyst

Okay. Great, thank you guys.

Ronald Lombardi -- Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, Joe.

Operator

Thank you. And our next question comes from Jon Andersen with William Blair. Your line is now open.

Jon Andersen -- William Blair -- Analyst

Hey, good morning everybody.

Christine Sacco -- Chief Financial Officer

Good morning.

Jon Andersen -- William Blair -- Analyst

Just wanted to start out by asking a little bit more about the quarter. Could you talk about the -- I don't think I didn't see it, because I think the consumption was (inaudible) cited (ph) in the presentation of 1.8% was a year-to-date number, correct me if I'm wrong there. Is there a number for the quarter around consumption that you can share, and then if you can talk about obviously the drug store channel was a source of weakness in shipments, but are there any other pockets from a product or brand perspective, softness that you're seeing?

I know you mentioned a couple like oral care in -- specifically due to some shelf changes. I'm wondering if you can elaborate on that. Again, so first, consumption in the quarter, second, some brand or product category challenges, specifically the oral care.

Ronald Lombardi -- Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer

Sure. So first on the consumption Jon. As I mentioned earlier in the prepared remarks, during the quarter we saw a consumption slowdown in both cough, cold and in the lice categories, both were negative and it resulted in consumption for the quarter for the Company to be essentially flat, but I did comment that it really didn't have any impact on our sales level during the quarter.

Our issue with sales in the quarter was specifically the drug inventory de-stocking. Year-to-date, we are nearly 2% and we continue to look for the full year to be around that 2%, maybe slightly below at this point.

In terms of categories, GI and ear and eye continue to perform very well for us as they have all year, we have seen some continued softness in the oral care subcategory principally with DenTek, as we saw some changes around distribution in certain retailers this year that has consumption levels negative for the DenTek brand this year.

But beyond that, we're not really seeing any other brands or categories performing out of line of what we would have expected for the year.

Jon Andersen -- William Blair -- Analyst

Okay. And so, it sounds like based on the full-year expectation on organic sales of zero to the 0.5% and the consumption expectation of close to 2%, you're looking for a couple of hundred basis points maybe of inventory de-stock, 150 basis points to 200 basis points of inventory destock which would be, I think, correct me if I'm wrong, would be above average, you know above a typical year as you look ahead to 2020, you've mentioned that you expect further inventory destocking in fiscal 2020.

Do you expect it at the kind of the same level that we'll see this year again in that 150 basis point to 200 basis point range or is there some hope or optimism that, that could come in below that or be more advantageous with some of this kind of winding down during the course of the year?

Ronald Lombardi -- Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer

So at the start of fiscal ' 19 Jon, you were correct when you pointed out, we thought we'd see a 0.5% to a 1% of disconnect between selling and consumption and we said at the beginning of the year that the biggest risk to our performance for fiscal '19 would be if that inventory destocking was above that expectation and we thought we had baked in enough to cover what was going on in the drug channel at the time, but it turned out to surprise us and to your point, be closer to almost 200 points of disconnect versus the 0.5 points to 100 (ph) points that we thought going into the year. As we sit here today, we anticipate potentially the same level for fiscal '20 and again, we've seen a number of the large retailers in the drugs space make recent announcements about continued plans to address store count and distribution center count.

So we're anticipating that likely at the same level for next year. But again, as we look forward and think about fiscal '20, and we'll give more details on the May call for '20, is that, what's within our control is winning with the consumer, launching new products, bringing innovation and continuing to build our brands, so that we continue to grow share and that fundamentally will drive long-term success.

So that's how we think about things and what we expect for next year for...

Jon Andersen -- William Blair -- Analyst

That's fair. And I'm kind of as you can tell, I'm kind of thinking around to try and get some insight into 2020 at this point, just following up on that, Ron, if we assume a similar level of inventory reduction due to the dynamic in a couple of the channels, we are looking at a year where organic growth is flat to up slightly as you think about the balance of the P&L, is there any reason that we'd see significant shifts and in any other lines, the expense lines, I mean I'm thinking out loud here, but it feels like gross margin in 2020 should be better than gross margin in 2019 because you have full year of Household out, more normalization of trade, of transportation of warehousing, the anniversary of the BC/Goody's kind of headwind, but, so that seems like it will be a positive story from a gross margin perspective, and then below that, it sounds like the advertising ratio you see -- level are uniform and G&A probably relatively uniform.

So am I kind of thinking about the complexion of 2020 in a reasonable way at this point?

Ronald Lombardi -- Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer

Jon, the way I'll answer that is -- and again we're not intending on giving any specific guidance or outlook for fiscal '20 at this point, is if you step back and take a look at our Q3 results, you'll see the benefits of our industry-leading financial profile and cash flow generation and the stability of our business model.

So even in the quarter that is an outlier in terms of organic decline, we went back and looked at 16 quarters of organic performance and this down 3% is really an outlier for our business. We were able to see a sequential increase in gross margins from Q2 to Q3, solid level in the high 57s, EBITDA margin at 35%, $0.73 of EPS and over $55 million of free cash flow generated during the quarter.

So that benefit and solid performance, we would expect to continue even in a year with more modest levels of organic growth. So I'll leave my comments to that for fiscal '20.

Jon Andersen -- William Blair -- Analyst

Okay, thanks. And last one from me, can you just remind me what the impact of the BC/Goody's packaging innovation was to gross margin in the current fiscal year?

Christine Sacco -- Chief Financial Officer

Jon, this is Chris. Maybe we'd just speak quarter. If I combine BC/Goody's was almost a 100 basis points on our margin, but I'll remind you in Q3 we also had some favorability for rev rec, about 30 basis points and we also had some favorable brand mix that we might not expect to repeat itself as we look ahead to Q4. So we're holding our margin for the year at 57%.

Jon Andersen -- William Blair -- Analyst

Okay. But BC/Goody's was at 100 basis point yet in the third quarter, Chris?

Christine Sacco -- Chief Financial Officer

It was. I was. I think one thing to just remember on BC/Goody's is, we continue to have some transitory costs as we finalize the transition and also as we look forward we'll be working through our exit with our previous co-packer. So, but generally speaking, we have a stable gross margin over time as Ron commented about.

Jon Andersen -- William Blair -- Analyst

Okay, thanks so much. Really helpful, everybody, thanks.

Ronald Lombardi -- Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer

Thanks Josh.

Operator

Thank you. And our next question comes from Steph Wissink with Jefferies. Your line is now open.

Stephanie Wissink -- Jefferies -- Analyst

Thanks. Good morning everyone. Just a follow-up on Jon's question, and talk a little bit more on the drug channel. You've a really good perspective on what's happening with respect to store count reduction BC consolidation, inventory per store reductions, but is there something unique about the drug channel, that they're not picking up the business online like you would see from your partners in mass (ph) or other channels?

So that's question one. And then question two related to drug, it's just the degree of cutback seem to be pretty material anything to also be pretty abrupt, so maybe talk a little bit about your process, how you engage with your buyers across channels to get some insight into how the buying plans are starting to form? Thank you.

Ronald Lombardi -- Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer

So, first thing I'll start with Steph is that we really start from a position that we'd like to see all of our retail partners do well and have our product offerings available for consumers, no matter where they choose to shop. So we'll start with that.

The second thing is we really do not get a lot of insight into what the retailers plan for in terms of inventory reductions or change that sell (ph) for whatever is going on in their planning until it kind of happens and we were surprised at the extent and how it happened at the end of the quarter-ended December in terms of the disruption in the normal order patterns that we saw.

So we really don't get a lot of insight and my comments today are limited to what we're seeing in the public domain that's being announced by the different drug retailers. So I'm not providing any insight in terms of what we may be hearing because we're not getting a lot of insights, it's the first part.

The second is, in terms of where shoppers are choosing to go, we really think it's more of a channel shift versus drug consumers moving from drug retail to online, so I don't think it's quite that simple, I think it's much more complicated in terms of where consumers are traveling and changing in terms of their shopping habits.

Stephanie Wissink -- Jefferies -- Analyst

Okay, that's helpful and then just one follow-up on Amazon, around online in general, can you just talk a little bit about the investments in A&P that are related to digital, relative to historic point of purchase or shelf-based marketing?

Ronald Lombardi -- Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer

Sure. Our business continues to see very significant growth online, in Amazon in specific -- specifically, last year we were up nearly 100% or so, this year we're close to up 80% or so and anticipate solid growth next year as we continue to make investments in that channel. So we're growing our investment there, but really keeping it in line for a long-term initiative to grow there.

Stephanie Wissink -- Jefferies -- Analyst

Thank you.

Ronald Lombardi -- Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer

Thanks Steph.

Operator

Thank you. (Operator Instructions). Our next question comes from Linda Bolton Weiser with DA Davidson. Your line is now open.

Linda Bolton Weiser -- DA Davidson -- Analyst

Hi. Can you talk a little bit more about the other channels that you think the consumption is shifting to, whether it be dollar stores or convenience stores or club channels or whatever and I guess specifically on the club channels -- do you have any presence there, or do you have episodic opportunities for programs and club? And can you just talk about like, are you actively doing anything to try to expand into new channels or just anything that's creatively thinking out of the box in terms of distribution?

And then secondly, related to shelf space. Can you elaborate on the DenTek? I think you alluded to some loss of shelf space there and just what are you doing there and have you had any significant innovation in DenTek? Thanks.

Ronald Lombardi -- Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer

Okay. So I guess three questions there. First on distribution in channels that our products are in. Our products are generally very broadly distributed across channels and retailers within the different channels, Club isn't necessarily a big channel for our products and our categories. It's needs-based and you're not generally stocking up with three packs of our kinds of products.

So Club isn't a big opportunity for us and expanding distribution really isn't an opportunity either, although it's always an opportunity to grow, but we are not under penetrated in any particular channel, Linda, is the first question.

Second, in terms of shelf space around DenTek, the specialty PEG section is fairly competitive, and if you go into it and look at it retail you'll see each year that the retailers may make a lot of changes in the different offerings and this year we saw some lost distribution on DenTek SKUs, the couple of retailers made some changes that's not the first time we've seen that, since we've owned DenTek.

We were actually a big winner on that a couple of years ago. We saw DenTek grow nearly 10% I think in the second year of our ownership, so that's going to be a little bit of a different space for us where they have more variability, but over the long term, we continue to feel good about DenTek's position to work with the retailers to help improve that space in the store.

In terms of new products and innovation, we had a number of new products that we did launch over the last year in that space.

Linda Bolton Weiser -- DA Davidson -- Analyst

Okay. Can I also ask how much of the year-to-date EBITDA decline was due to the divestiture of household cleaning?

Christine Sacco -- Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, Linda, we talked about household the three quarters, Q2 to Q4 being about $11 million of EBITDA.

Linda Bolton Weiser -- DA Davidson -- Analyst

I'm sorry that's for the nine months year-to-date?

Christine Sacco -- Chief Financial Officer

Correct.

Linda Bolton Weiser -- DA Davidson -- Analyst

Okay, thanks. And then can you talk about -- I know you really don't want to get into much about FY '20 other than what you said, but is there anything that you know, right off about that's going to cause a cadence change or some differences in cadence between first half or second half next year, anything that you already know ahead of time? Obviously this third quarter will be an easy prior year comparison because of this year, but is there anything else that you know that can help us in our modeling just by quarter for FY '20?

Ronald Lombardi -- Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah. At this point, we really don't have any insight into anything for a shift between first half, second half next year yet, and again, we'll give more detail on the May call, Linda.

Linda Bolton Weiser -- DA Davidson -- Analyst

Okay, thanks very much.

Ronald Lombardi -- Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer

Thank you, Linda.

Operator

Thank you. And our next question comes from Frank Camma with Sidoti & Company. Your line is now open.

Aster -- Sidoti & Company -- Analyst

Hey, good morning. This is Aster (ph) calling in for Frank. So you recently (ph) disclosed that your average cost of borrowing is now 5.6%, given leverages inching down, is there an opportunity in resigning some of your floating debt into fixed and if so, how would it look like?

Christine Sacco -- Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, hey, this is Chris. So as we sit today, we're standing just over 46% of our debt floating, right, we're generating about $200 million a year that we obviously applied to the floating rate debt, if you recall, we did a refinancing back in March to shift a lot of our floating to fixed. What I can say is we always look for opportunities to either lock that in or more aggressively pay that down.

So we'll look for opportunities and take them as we have historically, but as we sit here today, more to comment perhaps when we issue our guidance.

Aster -- Sidoti & Company -- Analyst

Okay, thanks.

Ronald Lombardi -- Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. And I'm not showing any further questions at this time, I would now like to turn the call back over to Ron Lombardi for any further remarks.

Ronald Lombardi -- Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer

Thank you. Thanks for joining our call today. Have a good day.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for participating in today's conference. This concludes today's program, and you may all disconnect. Everyone have a wonderful day.

Duration: 38 minutes

Call participants:

Philip Terpolilli -- Director of Investor Relations

Ronald Lombardi -- Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer

Christine Sacco -- Chief Financial Officer

Joseph Nicholas Altobello -- Raymond James & Associates, Inc. -- Analyst

Jon Andersen -- William Blair -- Analyst

Stephanie Wissink -- Jefferies -- Analyst

Linda Bolton Weiser -- DA Davidson -- Analyst

Aster -- Sidoti & Company -- Analyst

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