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ACI Worldwide Inc (ACIW -1.68%)
Q3Â 2019 Earnings Call
Nov 7, 2019, 8:30 a.m. ET
Contents:
- Prepared Remarks
- Questions and Answers
- Call Participants
Prepared Remarks:
Operator
Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by and welcome to the ACI Worldwide Q3 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions]
Thank you. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Mr. John Kraft. Please go ahead, sir.
John Kraft -- Vice President, Investor Relations and Strategic Analysis
Thank you, Patricia, and good morning, everybody. Today's call like all of our events is subject to both Safe Harbor and forward-looking statements. You can find the full text of both statements on our website as well as with the SEC.
On this morning's call is our CEO, Phil Heasley; our CFO, Scott Behrens; and we also have Craig Saks, our COO.
Before we begin, I'd like to let everybody know that ACI will be attending Citi's 2019 Financial Technology Conference in New York next Tuesday and Wednesday, November 12th and 13th. We will also be attending Stephens' 2019 Nashville Investment Conference in Nashville next Thursday, November 14th. In addition, we will be hosting our own ACI Analyst Days both in New York and in London on Tuesday, November 19th and Thursday November 21.
With that, I'd like to turn it over to Phil.
Philip G. Heasley -- President and Chief Executive Officer
Yeah. Thank you, John, and thank you, everyone, for joining today's call. I'm pleased to report that quarter three was a strong quarter for ACI as the digital transformation of payments accelerates around the globe. ACI's vision of Any Payment, Every Possibility continues to resonate with the market. We are growing our business organically across our two P&Ls. The acquisition of Speedpay, which closed in May further propelled our results, bringing notable improvement in profitability and scale to our ACI On Demand platform. In addition, one of our delayed contracts from 2018 closed in quarter three with the major renewal and expansion, validating ACI's important role in the new payments' ecosystem. We fully expect another one of these deals to close in the fourth quarter. Also notable in the quarter, we have partnered with Microsoft and secured two significant acquirer clients running retail payments solution in the cloud on Azure, following the successful proof of concepts. One client will go live next week and the other will follow shortly. In addition, our development of sandbox in Azure is also gaining traction as a way for our customers to build and test new solutions via our APIs.
As John mentioned, Craig Saks, ACI's Chief Operating Officer is also with us today, and I'm going to have him spend the next few minutes providing additional commentary on the quarter and sharing a sampling of Q3 wins, which demonstrates ACI's momentum within our bank intermediary, merchant and corporate customer segments. Craig will then turn over the call to Scott to cover the details of our Q3 financials. Craig?
Craig Saks -- Chief Operating Officer
Thank you very much, Phil, and good morning, everyone. So I'll start with our ACI On Demand business. As Phil mentioned, we continue to grow organically and then layered on the Speedpay acquisition which has bought improved scale and profitability to our platform. In Q3 2019, revenue for the ACI On Demand P&L was $193 million, up 85% from last year. And our net adjusted EBITDA margin improved to 20% from 5% in Q3 of last year.
We're also pleased to report that our Speedpay integration efforts are nicely on track to bring together the industry's leading U.S. bill pay portfolios into a single unified bill pay platform capable of supporting billions of transactions. We are also broadening the reach of ACI Speedpay mobile's mobile wallet technology which just received top honors from the Aite Group in its Digital Wallet Innovation Awards program. A solid bill pay foundation is fueling investment in higher growth opportunities for our platform which includes secure e-commerce and machine learning-based payments intelligence solutions. In addition, we are developing real-time and recurring digital subscription payment capabilities to meet the converging needs of merchants, corporates and billers.
A brief sampling of a few ACI On Demand Q3 wins would include the peer group of insurance companies, a leading U.S. home and auto insurer, who selected ACI Speedpay to expand bill pay options for its commercial portfolio. Blue Cross Blue Shield of New Jersey has expanded its use of ACI's Bill Payment Solutions and Idaho Housing and Finance Association, a leading regional mortgage servicer has selected ACI's bill payments to enhance its self-service channels. On the merchant side of our portfolio, LimeLight CRM, a subscription management platform for e-commerce companies selected UP merchant payments to support the online payment needs of its growing customer base, and a leading video game developer and eSports tournament organizer chose UP merchant payments as it expands its digital wallet and retail operations.
Shifting now to ACI On Premise, this P&L also reported strong quarterly results. In a year-over-year comparison, revenues increased 15% and net adjusted EBITDA margin improved to 62% from 55%. This growth was fueled by significant customer contract with a leading global bank technology and payment processor. This contract which had been delayed due to industry M&A activity in Q4, 2018 represents both a renewal and an expansion of ACI's technology. ACI will equip this newly combined organization for aggressive payments digital transformation and transaction growth through its use of our UP retail payments solution, our UP real-time payment solution, our UP payments risk management solution and also our back office solutions.
This organization selection of ACI's solutions validates a trend we have been seeing for the last several quarters. Banks, merchants and intermediaries continue to recommit to our foundational UP retail payments solution to power their core payments infrastructure, while adding Up real-time payments to manage growth in the immediate payments' world as well as UP payments intelligence to manage increasingly sophisticated payment fraud risks.
Finally, as we noted each quarter, real-time payments continued to be at the heart of the innovation agenda for the majority of banks worldwide, and ACI is very much at the forefront of the immediate payments' deployments around the world. Last quarter, you may recall, we announced a strategic investment with Mindgate Solutions in India. In Q3, we advanced our build-out of our joint payment solution that will combine ACI's proven universal payments processing software with Mindgate's excellent portfolio of digital overlay services for UPI transactions in India. I'm very pleased with the way our teams are working together and ACI and Mindgate will feature its co-presenters at Money2020 just last week in Las Vegas.
ACI On Premise wins and major milestones for Q3 would include some of the following. State Bank of India, the largest bank in India signed a renewal to use UP retail payments and UP payments risk management to meet its card and non-card based transaction processing and fraud monitoring requirements protecting hundreds of millions of accounts, a leading global financial services firm has expanded its use of UP payments risk management for fraud prevention and detection for its debit cards business.
In Europe, [Indecipherable] bank achieved its final milestone in scaling up for instant payments as part of the Dutch Instant Payments launch. This provides immediate payment processing of mobile and online payments for consumers, enabling consumers to pay and receive money instantly at any time of the day, 365 days a year. In our Pacific region, Australia's leading provider of integrated financial services selected UP real-time payments to simplify its current platform, address new and future business requirements and reduce time to market. In Latin America, Banco de la Republica, the largest bank in Uruguay expanded its use of UP real-time payments and UP retail payments to offer its customers innovative products and beget better connector growing FinTech environment.
And finally, I'm proud to mention that ACI's technology continues to be recognized by industry awards. Our payments intelligence solution recently won the 2019 Global Banking and Finance award, where we were honored as the best enterprise fraud prevention provide Europe for our multi-layered approach to fraud detection and machine learning capabilities. We were also recognized as the best real-time payment solution provider at the Ovum Payments Innovation Awards.
Finally, before I hand over to Scott, I want to reiterate that we had a strong quarter across both our ACI On Demand and our ACI On Premise P&Ls. We are pleased to have closed a significant recommitment and strategic expansion contract with one of our delayed contracts from Q4, 2018. This contract validates ACI's important role in the new payments ecosystem and we look forward to ongoing growth with this customer. In addition, we are in the final stages of negotiation and expect to close another significant contract that has been delayed from 2018 due to the industry M&A activity.
And with that, I'll now turn it over to Scott to provide additional commentary. Thank you.
Scott Behrens -- Senior Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Okay. Thanks, Craig, and good morning, everyone. I first plan to go through the highlights of the third quarter and then provide our outlook for the fourth quarter and full year. I will then hand it back to Phil for some final comments before we open the line for questions.
I'll be starting my comments on Slide 6, with key takeaways from the quarter. Overall, we had a strong quarter with new bookings up 12% from last year. Importantly as Phil and Craig have both mentioned, one of our contracts that was delayed due to customer M&A activity in late 2018 closed in Q3 with a major renewal and expansion, validating ACI's important role in the new payment ecosystem.
We ended the quarter with 12-month backlog and 60-month backlog of $1.1 billion and $5.7 billion, respectfully. Q3 revenue grew 45% over last year and came in above our expectations, and at the high end of our guidance range. Excluding the impact of Speedpay, revenue was up a strong 9% organically. Recurring revenue increased to 69% of total revenue, up from 65% of total revenue in Q3 last year. Our solid revenue growth contributed to strong EBITDA growth which was up 66% last year.
Turning next to our two operating segments, our On Demand segment grew revenue 85%, driven primarily from the Speedpay contribution and continues to deliver solid margin improvement. With our net adjusted EBITDA margin sitting 20% in Q3 this year compared to 5% last year. As we've been saying for some time now, the margin improvement will come with time and with scale as we grow the revenue into the infrastructure that we've built out over the last few years. Our On Premise segment grew revenue 15% and delivered adjusted EBITDA margins of 61% versus 55% last year. Cash flow from operating activities was $32 million versus $29 million in Q3 last year. We ended Q3 with $122 million in cash in $1.4 billion in debt. During the quarter, we spent $35 million repurchasing 1.2 million shares and we have $141 million remaining on our share repurchase authorization.
Turning next to Slide 7 with our outlook. We continue to expect full year 2019 revenue to be in a range of $1.315 billion to $1.345 billion and adjusted EBITDA to be in a range of $360 million to $380 million, which excludes between $30 million and $35 million in onetime transaction and integration-related expenses. And with seven weeks left in the year, I'd say we're comfortable with where consensus estimates are lining up with our full-year revenue and EBITDA expectations.
So on a constant currency basis, we saw a mid-teens new bookings growth here in Q3 contributing to double-digit organic revenue growth, and expect Q4 new bookings growth and organic revenue growth to be even stronger double-digit growth as we exit the year. So, clearly, exiting 2019 strong and we expect that momentum to continue into 2020. With that, we're comfortable reiterating our 2020 EBITDA outlook which is expected to be in a range of $425 million to $445 million and we plan to get more details regarding our 2020 outlook on our Q4 earnings call.
With that, I will hand the call back over to Phil for some final comments.
Philip G. Heasley -- President and Chief Executive Officer
Thanks, Scott. Thanks a lot. Before we turn to Q&A portion of today's call, I have a closing comment. This morning, I announced that after an incredibly fulfilling 15 years with ACI, I have been informed the Board that I plan to retire year-end as President and CEO and member of the Board. The Board has been conducting a thorough search for my successor. I will serve in a consulting capacity for three months following my retirement to help provide for an orderly succession. Given our strong and experienced management team and the depth of our bench of talent at ACI. I am very confident that this will be a seamless process. I look back on the last 15 years with great pride and satisfaction. We have developed a position as an innovative leader in the complex and evolving digital marketplace. We've secured our operating model and we've gained traction among key customer segments. Serving as ACI's CEO has been a great -- has been a great privilege for me, and I look forward to seeing ACI continue to achieve as well as prevail well into the future.
With that operator, we are ready to open the line and answer all questions.
Questions and Answers:
Operator
Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from the line of Peter Heckmann from D.A. Davidson. Your line is open.
Alexis Huseby -- D.A. Davidson -- Analyst
Good morning, gentlemen. This is Alexis on for Pete. So sorry to hear that you'll be leaving us, but congratulations on your retirement. So--
Philip G. Heasley -- President and Chief Executive Officer
Thank you.
Alexis Huseby -- D.A. Davidson -- Analyst
Yeah. So with the On Premise deal that closed, could you detail how the contract was expanded?
Philip G. Heasley -- President and Chief Executive Officer
Craig.
Craig Saks -- Chief Operating Officer
Yeah. So a few things, first of all, they expanded it in terms of the timeframe that they committed. There was an increase in volume that was committed and we actually cross sold an additional set of applications. So they have an end-to-end solution for expansion in some new markets.
Alexis Huseby -- D.A. Davidson -- Analyst
Okay, great. And then switching over to the On Demand segment. What was organic growth in the quarter? And then any areas you can point to outside of Speedpay that are contributing relatively more to growth within the segment?
Scott Behrens -- Senior Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Yeah, On Demand grew low-single digits in the quarter. I think importantly, you saw a lot of the growth year-over-year came from Speedpay. But the key driver there is the continued expansion in profitability last year with 5%, EBITDA margins this year, with 20% EBITDA margins. So that's really shown the power of the -- and the scalability of the infrastructure that we put in place.
Philip G. Heasley -- President and Chief Executive Officer
And the new digital products are growing.
Alexis Huseby -- D.A. Davidson -- Analyst
Great. Okay. And then I'll just squeeze one more and if that's all right. So in the first five or six months now of owning Speedpay, could you update us on integration efforts. So some of the focus areas for investment and then also if you've seen any uptick and any attrition from the Speedpay base? Thanks.
Philip G. Heasley -- President and Chief Executive Officer
Actually, we are very, very proud of the Speedpay integration, it was -- it's a carve out which gives us a little bit different flavor, but we brought on a wonderful management team that had a long and dedicated view of the business. I wouldn't say that they were happier but they were very happy that they joined the company that was all payments focused. They brought with them a -- or I think the customer centricity of that group I think is a positive and they brought some leadership as it relates to that. We have not seen attrition the accounts are renewing very nicely and we're going through it in a -- the relationships are actually in very good order, I mean -- the Speedpay is an acquisition that has brought great intrinsic value to us, and we feel very good about it. I don't know if you want add.
Craig Saks -- Chief Operating Officer
Yeah. Only two things I'd add, great signs of good engagement from the customer base or that I'm seeing good cross-sell traction between both sides of the portfolio, in fact, which is [Indecipherable], for example, the mobile's application that I mentioned earlier on is showing up really [Speech Overlap] market and then a number of those renewals that Phil mentioned too are actually coming up for renewal this quarter and our customers are signing up for longer terms in some cases, which I would take as a positive affirmation of the confidence in what we're doing here.
Alexis Huseby -- D.A. Davidson -- Analyst
That's great. Thank you for taking our questions.
Operator
And your next question comes from the line of George Sutton from Craig-Hallum. Your line is open.
George Sutton -- Craig-Hallum -- Analyst
Thank you, Phil. I've been around for the whole 15 years and it's been a wild ride but a great ride just for history purposes on a split-adjusted basis, I think when you joined, it was a $6 stock, so it's obviously been lucrative for long-term shareholders. You as a history boss are I know very focused on your legacy and you have always talked about sort of leaving ACI at the right time and place. I wondered if you could just address that in terms of what was the thought process in terms of the timing?
Philip G. Heasley -- President and Chief Executive Officer
Well, I don't think there is any -- I don't think I've ever tried to pretend to be anything but a transformational manager. I'm one of these guys that is kind of interested in what the world supposed to look like five or 10 or in this case 15 years out in the future. And we started this with a bunch of assets that were -- think about this company began a 100% dependent on the -- of the HP non-stop computer, right. And you look at the companies that we were in there with most of them of it was 40% to 60% of their value over the last 10 years. We've made 20 acquisitions and we've spent R&D money. We've taken our investors, and I thank all the investors, many of you've been with us, for this whole period. So I want to thank you for my -- from my piece a bit we've taken on a roller coaster ride, where probably our greatest skill set is not making quarters at times and being more value-oriented than 90 days, it's actually not a 90-day business, it's a crew way of managing or measuring this business. But we believed 15 years ago, in the digital commerce marketplace and immediate payments and that we're going to go from being hardware driven to software driven and most people thought we were not -- and I am now leaving the company, in which there is no debate in the marketplace about what the world is going to look like going forward and we're right in the middle of the current.
I think the expression I've used with you, George was, unlike Moses I wanted to make it to the promise land. I want to make it from Egypt to Israel. And we've made it to Egypt to Israel. But not being -- being a transformational manager, the company really deserves to now pursue scale in go-to market because we have all the tools and whatnot and it's great that we announced those two Azure deals and it shows that we are cloud relevant and we're going to become much, much more cloud relevant and whatnot. Transformation is not the next chapter, I mean we'll always be transforming but I forced this company to look inward to work on acquisitions, to be a little bit less customer-centric at times because we force customers to move along with us in terms of technology changes and whatnot. They maybe -- they'll thank me in the second line for that, but they haven't always thanked me at the time, but I think we've done something that's significant. And, but I think that we only have a fraction of the potential value and that value is going to come from having scale on a go-to-market thing and that's not my 4K and it is the right time for me to do it and we had a brief conversation in the middle of the year in which I kind of, I didn't say it, but I least said I was thinking about this point in time, and I do believe, it's the right point in time. I only have one constant in my life and that's my very, very, very, very long-term marriage and my kids. All these other things are event based, and I think this is the right event and I'm very happy and I'm very confident of the team's ability to keep going what we have developed. That's a long answer. But--
George Sutton -- Craig-Hallum -- Analyst
Given it's been 15 years. It's hard to believe, I'm still in my 30s, but I had one other question, you are in a rapidly consolidating industry. This company has been on the top of software banker list of attractive M&A candidates for a long time. Obviously, when you see a change like this that creates incremental interest, hard question, but I think it's a relevant question and probably one or lot of people on the call are curious about. So I thought I'd ask.
Philip G. Heasley -- President and Chief Executive Officer
Yeah. But that's about as appropriate as kissing your secretary. So I can't right now -- I'm not going to answer that, George, right.
George Sutton -- Craig-Hallum -- Analyst
All right. Thanks, guys.
Operator
Your next comes from the line of Mark Palmer from BTIG. Your line is open.
Mark Palmer -- BTIG -- Analyst
Yes, thank you. Good morning. Just wanted to get a little bit more perspective, particularly of the signing of the delayed contract. At the same time, the company did not raise guidance -- financial guidance for fiscal '19 or fiscal '20. Just want to get a sense of, is that just a question of getting clarity around the upside associated with that contract or is it a timing thing in terms of when it would kick in?
Scott Behrens -- Senior Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Yeah, no, we had contemplated these deals. If you recall back at the beginning of the year, we had contemplated these as a part of our guidance. So our expectation was, when we came out of 2018 that these [Indecipherable] and we actually increased our EBITDA guidance at the beginning of this year in reflection of these deals carrying over from 2018, but we didn't increase the guidance, they've been contemplated in our full year guidance.
Philip G. Heasley -- President and Chief Executive Officer
We actually made -- we actually had a learning, I wouldn't say, we had a mistake. When these four deals -- when the four mergers were announced and it represented eight customers of ours. We knew we had to figure out how to deal with it. We thought that delays and whatnot would be a function of announcement and it's very clear that that was wishful thinking. There are functions of the closing. So as these deals have closed, it's been very predictable in terms of how to rectify and they've turned out to be opportunities and they're going to continue to turn out to be opportunities. And having known that simple little facts that I just said, we would not have raised our EBITDA guidance at the beginning of the year when it first happened, because we thought it was just as brief hiatus we would have waited to now to raise it and we didn't. It's a learning. I promise you we're not going to do that -- well, they're not going to do that going forward.
Mark Palmer -- BTIG -- Analyst
Okay, thank you. And one more question just with regard to the timetable, with regard to succession, what is the thinking in terms of when a new CEO could be named and how long has the search using an executive recruiter going on and what is the thinking about internal versus external candidates? And with that, I'll get back into queue.
Philip G. Heasley -- President and Chief Executive Officer
Yeah. Okay, thank you. But I can answer part of that, I'm not going to answer all of it, right. The Board has done a rigorous job of thinking through succession and it's been a major topic for over two years at the company and they've been working with these folks Russell Reynolds, excellent team, at least in our business, in the second year in which this whole process has been going on. That deliberation that set of decisions and whatnot is the purview of the Board, it's responsibility of the Board, and I'm not going to trespass in terms of that and I'm not going to try to handicap what their decisions are and whatnot. That's something that they will do, but I can tell you that they've been working diligently on this for, it's been a major topic for a couple of years.
Mark Palmer -- BTIG -- Analyst
Thank you.
Operator
[Operator Instructions]. Your next question comes from the line of Brett Huff from Stephens Incorporated. Your line is open.
Brett Huff -- Stephens Incorporated -- Analyst
Good morning, guys. And Phil, I'll add my congratulations. We're sad to see you go, but hope the next steps are good one.
Philip G. Heasley -- President and Chief Executive Officer
Thank you.
Brett Huff -- Stephens Incorporated -- Analyst
My question -- one of my questions is about bookings. Scott, I think if I'm remembering right, I think net new bookings were up 12% for the quarter and you said for 4Q kind of stronger than that. Is that the right message?
Scott Behrens -- Senior Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Yeah. On an FX adjusted basis, Q3 was up 15%. We expect to exit the year strong. Q4 should be even stronger than that. And so, obviously exiting the year strong.
Brett Huff -- Stephens Incorporated -- Analyst
And you didn't reiterate your net new bookings annual guidance for high-single to low-double. Is that still in force or is that or are we moving away from that?
Scott Behrens -- Senior Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
I would say moving away a bit. We were off quite a bit in the first half, but that's why I think it's important to kind of look at the momentum and how we're -- how we delivered in Q3 we'll finish the year strong and we think that momentum will carry us into next year. I think a lot of that obviously didn't impact the revenue and EBITDA guidance where that's going to be important is building backlog for future years.
Brett Huff -- Stephens Incorporated -- Analyst
Okay.
Philip G. Heasley -- President and Chief Executive Officer
You know, Brett, we get a lot of pushback from Advisors and Board members and whatnot and they say software companies don't give bookings guidance and that it's not really -- it's a confusing category versus being -- and when you kind of paint us in the same light as merchant acquirers and processors and whatnot, really looking at our bookings is, it is a little bit I suppose apples and oranges and whatnot because we don't have -- the model doesn't -- the models just don't flow that way and the more we become consumption based it makes it even more difficult and whatnot and I think that's a valid -- it's a valid set of questions. And I think it what Scott's trying to say is, the slope going forward is much more important than taking a retro backwards or whatnot. But probably even more important than that we have to figure out or they have to figure out of thinking about how revenue grows, right, and forecasting how revenue grows in a different way of dealing with bookings because in lots of cases the -- when something is booked. There is as little as nine months or six, some cases it's a little less than nine months as much as two years before bookings become revenue. It's very different than the processing and it's very different than the acquiring businesses as it relates to that and it's something that we have to do better, but we have to think about a better metric than bookings going forward.
Craig, and Scott and I have had that debate a little bit in terms and especially on the consumption side of the business because it's certainly not apples to apples between consumption and On Premise. So we have to take that as to do in terms of giving -- because we try to be very transparent and I think we'll end up giving false positives, false negatives in terms of how we do that. So I don't know if that's helpful or not.
Brett Huff -- Stephens Incorporated -- Analyst
Yeah. That is helpful. Thanks. Follow-up question is on. So I think you mentioned that there were I think eight customers and four mergers that we're kind of in this capital markets bubble that we had last year and earlier this year. I understood that there were two deals that were delayed. How does the other -- four number kind of figure into this?
Philip G. Heasley -- President and Chief Executive Officer
Yeah. There were, and I want to make sure we keep the same dialog going. There's always been four deals of which there were two -- there were two delays. The other two are on -- there -- we've kept them forecast as scheduled, right. You guys all know what the four -- I don't think I have to tell this group what the four deals were, right. They're pretty straightforward. Two sets of two, so half of them we thought as scheduled, the other half we thought. Now this is the difference between bookings. This again where bookings is a little bit force guard. One of the four hasn't closed yet and we every bit expect it to close, right. But if it doesn't close that may impact a booking, right, and it may even for a quarter impact revenue, but we know that the subsequent -- we're very confident with the subsequent deal that comes from it. Like I said, as I was saying before, this is not a 90 -- trying to make this a nice and neat 90-day business is, you don't do business five years of the cliff and be able to explain it 90 days at a time other than thinking you're on a roller coaster.
Brett Huff -- Stephens Incorporated -- Analyst
That's helpful. And then
Philip G. Heasley -- President and Chief Executive Officer
Did I further confuse you or did you.
Brett Huff -- Stephens Incorporated -- Analyst
No, that's great. And then last more qualitative, as these big mergers happen and these banks or these banks process are making big decisions to use your technology for another many, many, many years, right. Maybe a decade or more. What is the overriding driver that drives them to ACIW? Is it the industrial strength? Is it the openness? Is it the future-proofing like that's a strategic decision by them? Can you just give us a quick highlight of what gets you over there?
Philip G. Heasley -- President and Chief Executive Officer
Yeah. Well, let me reiterate something and of course the cloud will reinforce this in a big way. Our new technology what we've been working all these years on, right. If you had ACI's technology 10 years ago, 80% of the cost would have been hardware and middleware and we would have been 20% of the costs. So that if you were paying us $50 million over a period of time, you can consider that $200 million was being paid for hardware and middleware and I'm not talking about premises and all that other kinds of stuff, just hardware and middleware. Our new software makes that $200 million, $50 million OK. So you save a $150 million of the $200 million. Yes, we still charge at the $50 million and we absolutely deserve it -- we deserve more than that, right, because we've saved you the other $150 million. So if I was going forward 10 years and saying, gee, I got something that's costing me today $250 million in total, the ACI guys are $50 million, but now I have a future and it's somewhat up to me how I -- if you're an existing customer, you have a task in front of you to transition it but you've got a $200 million five-year saves in terms of that, that's pretty neat.
What we are now beginning to see is there's a lot of new guys coming into the market as the digital world is changing. What are you going to do? Go buy some old school thing that's going to be 80% hardware and middleware and 20% or are you going to go with us and go on the cloud or are you going to go with us and go to Linux, the -- that's why this effort needs to be more about marketing and go to market than my buying and fixing companies to get us here because the opportunity is not minor, it's massive, right, in terms of the productivity that that's been -- this is the typical productivity that we're going to see throughout the digital economy, whereas $250 million capital investments are going to be replaced with $100 million capital investments, and that's what this whole transformation is about.
And the only thing that's holding us back is, well, I think regulation has held the banks back for a long time and, but I certainly think that Visa/Mastercard are beginning to get it. JPMorgan's doing a fabulous job of position --this is the dawn of a new era, right. There's no reason in the world they wouldn't commit for a long time and there's no reason in the world, they wouldn't accrue those kinds of efficiencies. And by the way, this new environment can do 2, 3 times the volume that the other one did which is both good for us and good for them.
Brett Huff -- Stephens Incorporated -- Analyst
That's helpful.
Philip G. Heasley -- President and Chief Executive Officer
So, is that a good answer?
Brett Huff -- Stephens Incorporated -- Analyst
That's great. Thanks for the color. I appreciate it, Phil.
Operator
And there are no more further questions at this time. Speakers, you may proceed.
John Kraft -- Vice President, Investor Relations and Strategic Analysis
Well, thanks everybody for dialing in. We look forward to catching up in person and over the phone over the coming weeks. Have a good day, everybody.
Operator
[Operator Closing Remarks]
Duration: 38 minutes
Call participants:
John Kraft -- Vice President, Investor Relations and Strategic Analysis
Philip G. Heasley -- President and Chief Executive Officer
Craig Saks -- Chief Operating Officer
Scott Behrens -- Senior Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Alexis Huseby -- D.A. Davidson -- Analyst
George Sutton -- Craig-Hallum -- Analyst
Mark Palmer -- BTIG -- Analyst
Brett Huff -- Stephens Incorporated -- Analyst
