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SINA earnings call for the period ending September 30, 2019.

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Sina Corporation ( SINA )
Q3 2019 Earnings Call
Nov 14, 2019, 7:10 a.m. ET


  • Prepared Remarks
  • Questions and Answers
  • Call Participants

Prepared Remarks:


Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by, and welcome to SINA's Earnings Conference Call for the Third Quarter of 2019. [Operator Instructions]. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions].

I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Ms. Sandra Zhang. Thank you. Please go ahead.

Sandra Zhang -- Investor Relations

Thanks operator and hello everyone. Welcome to SINA's earnings conference call for the third quarter 2019. Joining us today are Chairman and CEO, Charles Chao; and our CFO, Bonnie Zhang. This call is also being broadcast on the Internet and available through SINA's IR website.

Now, let me read you the Safe Harbor statement in connection with today's conference call. Our discussion today will contain forward-looking statements, which involve inherent risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially from our current expectations. SINA assumes no obligation to update the forward-looking statement in this call and elsewhere.

For detailed discussion of these risks and uncertainties, please refer to our latest Annual Report on Form 20-F and other filings with the SEC. In addition, I would like to remind you that our discussion today includes non-GAAP measures which mainly excludes stock-based compensation and certain other items.

We use non-GAAP measures to gain a better understanding of SINA's comparative operating results and future prospects. Please refer to our earnings release for more detailed information of reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP measures. During the call, we may discuss non-GAAP measures for Weibo which apply the same methodologies we use to calculate non-GAAP measures at the SINA group level.

After management remarks, we will open the lines for brief Q&A session. With that, I would like to turn the call over to our CFO, Bonnie.

Bonnie Yi Zhang -- Chief Financial Officer

Thank you, Sandra and thank you all for joining our conference call today. Let me walk you through the operational and the financial highlights for the third quarter of 2019. Before the detailed financial review, I would like to remind you that my prepared remarks would focus on non-GAAP results and all the comparisons are on a year-over-year basis, unless otherwise noted.

Let's start with an overview of the third quarter 2019 results. SINA's net revenue for the third quarter was $558.8 million and an increase of 1% or 5% on constant currency basis. Operating income was $170 million representing an operating margin of 30%, flat year-over-year. Net income attributable to SINA was $67 million and the diluted EPS was $0.94. Now let's turn to key financial items. SINA's online advertising revenue for the third quarter were $461.1 million, a decrease of 5% or 1% on a constant currency basis, primarily due to a decline in quarter advertising revenues and a negative currency translation impact.

Let me start with Weibo's business. In the third quarter, Weibo continued to deliver robust user growth with MAU reaching 497 million in September and the average DAUs reaching 216 million underpinned by Weibo's distinguished positioning as the leading social media platform in China. As Weibo celebrated its tenth anniversary this August, we are grateful that Weibo has gained a sustainable momentum to grow our community and weathered this through many rounds of market challenges. Leveraging ongoing product optimization and diversified content ecosystem, Weibo has evolved into China's go-to platform to discover trends and engage in public conversations around topics of interest.

Along with our relentless efforts to strengthen our differentiator as a social media, we are also focused on incubating new products to further tap into users' diversified interest and admin, and drive value for our growing community in the longer term. On monetization, Weibo's online advertising revenue for the third quarter were $412.5 million up 1% or 5% on a constant-currency basis.

Weibo's key accounts business grew 6% or 10% on a constant-currency basis. The FMCG sector and the Luxury brands continue to outperform as we attract their high customer accounts to embrace the platform, leveraging a wide spectrum of social ad products, compelling ad designs are rising influence of KOLs which altogether better fulfill customers' integrated brand plus performance marketing demand.

On the flip side of the tech sector, particularly in mobile handsets, exhibited tepid growth aimed at 5G transitional period with limited promotion activities, while entertainment industry faced a near-term challenge due to lackluster content schedule with tightened regulations.

Weibo SME sector was up 1% or 5% on a constant-currency basis in the third quarter since the industry has -- has not witnessed a turnaround yet, and there's the unfavorable supply and the demand in market dynamics. We continue to see ad impression growth on both annual and sequential basis, demonstrating the team's step up efforts in developing new customers and retaining existing customer spend through scaling up automatic ad placement, enhancing ad relevancy and the sales channel optimization.

Nevertheless, our SME revenue growth was still impacted by the pricing discrepancy on a year-over-year basis, though the sequentially, pricing has been stabilized. Industry-wise, we are pleased to see solid performance of app downloads and the consumption related sectors and a modest recovery of online gaming industry. Despite that, the growth was largely offset by ad budget cut back from certain large ticket item category with tough comps last year under the current market macro uncertainties and market competition.

Turning to portal business. Portal ad revenue for the third quarter were $50.1 million and a decrease of 33% or 30% on a constant-currency basis, mainly resulted from ad budget cut back for SME customers, as well as certain brand industry, such as Automobile.

Turning to non-advertising business. SINA's non-ad revenue for the third quarter were $97.7 million, up 38% or 43% on a constant-currency base. The increase was mainly driven by an incremental revenue from SINA's fin-tech operation and Weibo's live streaming business. Portal non-ad revenue for the third quarter were $47.8 million, up 98% or 105% on a constant-currency base, primarily fueled up by the greater momentum of our micro loan facilitation. Two years upon consolidation of the business line, we are encouraged by the team's ability to navigate through a regulatory landscape and scale up the operation by driving our loan origination volume which was bolstered by strong customer demands and the diversified funding sources.

Turning to gross margin, gross margin for the third quarter was 80%, flat year-over-year, our advertising gross margin was 83% compared to 82% last year, non-advertising gross margin for the third quarter is 62%, down from 70% last year primarily due to the relative lower gross margin for the acquired live streams business of Weibo.

Now, moving onto the operating expenses. In the third quarter, operating expenses totaled $274.9 million down 1%. Operating income increased 1% to $170 million, representing an operating margin of 30% flat year-over-year.

Turning to non-operating items -- non-operating items. Under the GAAP measure, non-operating loss for the third quarter of 2019 was $4 million compared to a non-operating income of $77.3 million for the same period last year.

Non-operating loss for the third quarter 2019 included a $25.5 million net loss on sales, investments, fair value changes and impairment on investments which is excluded under non-GAAP measures; number two, a $19.9 million net interest and other income; and number three a $1.6 million net earning from equity method investments, which is reported one quarter in arrears.

Please refer to our earnings release for more detailed information about non-operating item for the same period last year. Turning to tax, under GAAP measure, income tax expenses were $27.9 million in the third quarter compared to $68.1 million last year, largely attributable to reversal of deferred tax charges recognized from the fair value changes of investments.

Net income attributable to SINA in the third quarter was $67 million or $0.94 diluted net income per share. Now let me turn to the balance sheet and the cash flow items. As of September 30, 2019, SINA's cash, cash equivalents and short-term investments totaled $2.9 billion compared to $2.3 billion as of December 31st, 2018 mainly resulted from net proceeds received from Weibo's senior notes offered.

For the third quarter, net cash provided by operating activities was $220.2 million, capital expenditure totaled $6 million, and depreciation and amortization expenses amounted to $10.9 million.

With that, operator, please open up the call for questions. Thank you.

Questions and Answers:


[Operator Instructions]. The first question comes from the line of Eddie Leung from Bank of America. Please ask your question.

Eddie Leung -- BofA Merrill Lynch, Research Division -- Analyst

Good evening. Thank you for taking my questions. May I have two questions? The first one is about your advertiser mix, because we heard that some of the key industries are having particular pressure this year. So wondering if you could give us an update of your top advertiser industries and how has that changed from last year, let's say. And then secondly, we also heard that and saw Weibo incubating new products, for example, like lasers.

So just wondering whether Sina, the portal media business itself [Phonetic] has any plans to incubate any new products, including any deferment in fin-tech. Thanks.

Charles Chao -- Chief Executive Officer

Okay. Eddie, regarding the first question, advertising revenue mix. And you probably know historically, I mean, we're pretty strong in -- I'm talking about the portal side, OK, in the automobile sector, financial sector and also on some of the FMCG and areas, and also the electronic products. I think all these sectors, I mean has a negative trend this year. I'm talking about 2019 for different reasons. Of course, automobile in general and -- are doing well, as you probably know, and year-over-year probably the auto sales was down about 20%.

So that also impact the margins by significantly. I'm talking about the impact of advertising dollars quite significantly for that particular sector. And if you look at Q3, for portal business, that particular sector it was down probably 23%, which probably was in line with the market and also for the financial sector, I mean, two aspects, of course, we are actually gaining more marketing dollar for the brand advertising for large financial institutions, I mean, in this year, but also we are also losing another marketing dollars from another fintech company because as you probably know this particular sector is undergoing a lot of regulatory scrutiny and a lot of companies have been closed down or have been in trouble getting their budget. So this is another sector that was quite big, but also on a net to net basis was also negatively impacted.

And FMCG was the large sector that is still growing very big in the Internet space, but unfortunately portal is not getting too much share from that because historically we have sports and some campaign related inventories for FMCG. But now I think for this particular year, we're not getting too much marketing share for FMCG because we're not really having another IP content relating to this particular area and in general, I think FMCG is doing very well on Weibo, but actually not doing very well on portal.

So on overall basis, these are some of the big sectors and on overall basis portal there actually have been some negative trend. Going forward, I think the trend will be similar except maybe automobile itself will stabilize because as based on current quarter situation, I think the entire auto market is kind of stabilized a little bit and hopefully the marketing dollar for automobile industry also will stabilize.

And in terms of new product and yes, we have talked about it already in the previous call for the Weibo and for SINA, we actually don't have a plan for a lot of new products and areas we have been focused upon the vertical areas you probably know that SINA Finance and SINA Sports and both sectors, I think are doing relatively well and we're going to continue investing in these two vertical areas in terms of mobile app and also a lot of activities of -- to develop these vertical areas even further. And I hope that answers your question.

Eddie Leung -- BofA Merrill Lynch, Research Division -- Analyst

Sure. Thank you for them, Charles.

Charles Chao -- Chief Executive Officer

Thank you.


Thank you. The next question comes from the line of Alicia Yap from Citigroup. Please ask your question.

Alicia Yap -- Citigroup -- Analyst

Hi. Good evening, Charles and Bonnie. Thanks for taking my questions. My questions is related to the solid year-over-year growth of the non-ad revenue. Believe a large part of this growth is driven by the Fintech business. So could you share with us your latest thoughts and the strategy for the Fintech business, the growth outlook and how should we think about this revenue lines into 2020? And then do you think the regulatory policy that affecting the Fintech business is largely behind us now, any upcoming or potential new regulation that could emerge in the coming months? Thank you.

Charles Chao -- Chief Executive Officer

Let me answer the second question first maybe. Yeah. I'm not sure of the policy yeah, has I mean stopped or whatever I mean because we cannot predict, I mean, what the policy trend will be. And -- but the -- based on the situation in the last several quarters, you'd probably have seen a lot of new policies and regulations in this particular area, which has I know basically significantly increased the barrier for this particular business and also has significantly reduced the number of players in this particular sector. So I think this probably [Phonetic] work has continued there will be more regulatory policies in this area which we could not predict, I mean when and the how it will come.

And -- but coming back to our own strategies and as we elaborated many times before, this is the vertical area we believe we will be very much focused upon, because I mean at the end of the day, if you look at a lot of companies in these sectors which have been doing well, but they have been gone mainly because I think they are not I mean addressing a lot of advantages we're possessing here like user base and also data and which we believe that's very important.

So eventually if you look at the revenue and -- versus the cost you have, the cost really related to customer user acquisitions in terms of the bad debt these type of, of course, the cost of capital. And assuming the cost of capital is the same then, the cost of user acquisition and for data becomes more important because I mean they are the ones who were determined, what kind of margin you will have for the fintech business. And we believe, there were one other few companies in China, which will possess this kind of data and the user base. And so I think, we're predicting that the environment was getting tougher in the future. But it may not be bad for our Company going forward. Because there will be much fewer players in this field. And although, I think, the margin will be further squeezed a little bit.

And -- but in terms of our business, we're very much focused upon the, micro loan business, right now. And so given the tightened environment requirement, under the regulatory environment, we are offering the users with longer term of the loan, but with a lower rate right now. So this probably will be the trend, for a while in the future. And -- but as I said, I mean, it's going to be a very choppy market. But we are determined to be stay in this market. And we believe that, we can do well in the long run. And I think, that's about it, yeah. Thank you.

Alicia Yap -- Citigroup -- Analyst

Just quickly on the revenue growth trend into 2020.

Charles Chao -- Chief Executive Officer

That's -- it's difficult to say, at this point, but it's very difficult for us to predict. And our approach has been given that, the tougher environment for regulatory policies, we are opting a very quiet conservative approach in terms of net revenue booking and forecast. So that will provide adequate reserve for any potential losses, we may have, because of these changes of the environment. And -- so that's the only thing we feel. We -- in terms of our revenue growth, we're not going to expand the user too much, if that will result in more risk for us.

And so we are actually controlling our user acquisition very tightly, to make sure we're getting the good customers for our business. And so, if there's further, I mean tightening in terms of regulatory environment, then we may potentially try to control this even further, so we'll have a slower revenue growth, for this sector. But this is for short-term actually. In the longer-term, we feel, quite positive on that.

Alicia Yap -- Citigroup -- Analyst

Thanks you, Charles.

Charles Chao -- Chief Executive Officer

Thank you.


Thank you. The next question comes from the line of Thomas Chong from Jefferies. Please ask the questions. Hi, Thomas. Your line is open.

Thomas Chong -- Jefferies Hong Kong Limited -- Analyst

Hi. Thanks management for taking my questions. I have a quick question, in terms of content investment. Can management comment about any verticals that, we are -- we have some we have interest to invest into it, like sports, finance or any others you can share? Thank you.

Charles Chao -- Chief Executive Officer

I think, we have been talking all around the areas we have been focused upon, in terms of vertical areas, are the finance and sports. But let's talk about sports first. I think that, sports cost -- the media rights for the sports live video and coverage -- streaming coverage have been going up very, very significantly over the past several years.

And I think we're probably not in the position, I mean, to acquire or have the ability to I mean, acquire all these famous kind of media copyrights videos for the major sports events. And so, we are actually creating some of the sports events ourselves with our self IP like the 3 to 3 basketball and the 5 to 5 football soccer, I mean gaming, and which have gained a lot of attention in the market.

And I think we have been doing quite well in developing this IP and also developing our IP content to generate revenues for advertising for sponsorship for these events. And -- but we're not planning to acquire a lot of major-major events -- media rights for the events in the area of basketball and soccer, because these copyrights and the media rights have gone too much, and it's beyond our, I think, capability to absorb the cost.

And in terms of the area for finance, and I think we have always been quite strong in this area, and -- but in terms of the content itself, we generate a lot of content ourselves and also we work with all the major financial media companies to get their content. And that's just part of it. And -- but we're also very much focused upon all these trading data, I mean for the stock, for the bond, for everything in all markets to enhance our offering for financial data and for the financial services to our users. So, we can increase our user base and also increase the stickiness of our user base for financial sector. And in this area, we have been doing quite well, and we're going to continue to invest in more data, I mean for financial services and to serve our user base.

Thomas Chong -- Jefferies Hong Kong Limited -- Analyst

Thank you, Charles.

Charles Chao -- Chief Executive Officer

Thank you.


Thank you. There are no further questions at this time. I would now like to hand the conference back to Sandra. Thank you.

Sandra Zhang -- Investor Relations

Thank you. This concludes our conference call today. Thank you for joining us. We'll see you next quarter.


[Operator Closing Remarks].

Duration: 26 minutes

Call participants:

Sandra Zhang -- Investor Relations

Bonnie Yi Zhang -- Chief Financial Officer

Charles Chao -- Chief Executive Officer

Eddie Leung -- BofA Merrill Lynch, Research Division -- Analyst

Alicia Yap -- Citigroup -- Analyst

Thomas Chong -- Jefferies Hong Kong Limited -- Analyst

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