Personalis, Inc. (PSNL) Q4 2019 Earnings Call Transcript

Personalis, Inc. (PSNL 10.71%)
Q4 2019 Earnings Call
Mar 25, 2020, 5:00 p.m. ET

Contents:

• Prepared Remarks
• Questions and Answers
• Call Participants

Prepared Remarks:

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. And welcome to the fourth-quarter 2019 Personalis earnings conference call. [Operator instructions] I'd now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Ms. Caroline Corner at Westwicke ICR.

Please go ahead.

Caroline Corner -- Westwicke ICR

Thank you operator. Welcome to Personalis' fourth-quarter and full-year 2019 earnings call. Joining me on today's call are John West, president and chief executive officer; Aaron Tachibana, chief financial officer; and Clinton Musil, chief business officer. This call will include forward-looking statements including statements regarding the markets in which we operate including potential market sizes, trends and expectations for products, services and technologies, trends and demand for our products, Personalis' expected financial performance, expenses and position in the market and the impact of COVID-19 on our operations and our customers' operations.

These statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from our current expectations. We encourage you to review our most recent filings with the SEC, particularly the risk factors described in 10-K filings for our full year ended December 31, 2019. The forward-looking statements we provide during this call include projections for future performance, are based on our reasonable beliefs and expectations as of today. Personalis undertakes no obligations to update these statements, except as required by applicable law.

Our press release with our fourth quarter and full-year 2019 results is available on our website, www.personalis.com, under the investors section and includes additional details about our financial results. Our website also has our latest SEC filings which we encourage you to review. A recording of today's call will be available on our website by 5:00 p.m. pacific time today.

Now, I'd like to turn the call over to John for his comments on fourth quarter and full-year 2019 business highlights.

John West -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Thank you Caroline. And welcome everyone to our fourth quarter and full-year 2019 earnings call. Before going into detail on our performance in 2019, I would like to address the impact of COVID-19 on our organization. The virus has caused disruption across the globe which affects us, our customers and suppliers.

First and foremost, we are focused on the health and well-being of our employees, their families and our community. On March 16, several counties within the San Francisco Bay area issued orders for individuals to shelter at their place of residents, meaning people were to leave their homes only for essential purposes. For Personalis, this order meant we had to direct the majority of our employees to work from home, with the exception of those needed to keep laboratory operations running, so we can support customers that are critical to the healthcare ecosystem. Like many of our peer companies, we have seen a slowdown with certain customers and suppliers, although we have not been able to quantify the full impact just yet.

We have proactively taken measures to increase our inventory of lab supplies in case supply disruptions occur or are prolonged. We cannot be certain however how long this situation will last. We are in communication with our customers and their partners regarding the status of new orders and the receipt of samples for pending orders. Certain customers have had disruptions while others continue to send us samples and work with us so that we can deliver crucial information to them in a timely fashion.

We can't be certain any of our customers will continue to send us samples for processing during this disruption. For the safety of our employees, we have implemented strict cleaning, visitor, group meeting and other protocols for our office and lab to help keep employees safe and healthy. In addition, the special committee of our board of directors has been formed to oversee and advise on our COVID-19 response and is meeting regularly. Given the evolving conditions related to COVID-19 and precautions taken for the safety of our employees, we may not be able to maintain adequate staffing on-site to process all of our customer samples for some period of time.

In addition, certain customers and their partners are operating in a limited capacity due to COVID-19 which may delay orders or the shipment of samples to us for processing. Although we have seen considerable traction in new orders for our NeXT platform which we will discuss later in the call, we expect there will be an impact from COVID-19 to our business in the short and medium term which we are not able to quantify at this time. As such, we are suspending revenue guidance until we have greater visibility. COVID-19 has created a challenging environment for many across the globe, and while we acknowledge the disruption, we remain focused on what we can control, specifically on increasing the adoption of our NeXT platform and ensuring our customers are well serviced.

Our largest customer, VA MVP, remains a strong and committed partner. We plan to continue to serve them as we work through the significant backlog we have today and prepare for future orders. Our cash and short-term investments balance of $128.3 million as of the end of 2019, puts us in a position of strength, as the situation with COVID-19 continues to evolve. We understand that the COVID-19 situation is weighing heavily on investors' minds, and we plan to update you further on our first-quarter earnings call as the impact on our business becomes more quantifiable.

We appreciate the patience in that regard. Now, I'd like to shift focus to our progress in the quarter and walk through some of our performance highlights and recent successes. I will also talk about some of the exciting growth drivers we see ahead for the company. Turning to our full-year report.

I'm happy to say 2019 was an exciting year for Personalis, with the launch of our new NeXT platform, receipt of our largest MVP order ever, launch of whole genome sequencing for cancer samples and the release of our NeXT diagnostic. I'd like to offer my heartfelt thanks to our employees for their unwavering efforts in building a strong foundation for our future growth. In June of 2019, we successfully completed our initial public offering listed on the NASDAQ Exchange and raising $140 million in financing proceeds, providing us with a strong balance sheet and cash to fuel our growth plans for several years. As you can see from our press release, in Q4, we generated revenues of $18.2 million, up 38% from the same quarter last year and setting another overall revenue record.

Fourth quarter marked our 14th consecutive quarter of revenue growth. For the full-year 2019, revenues were $65.2 million, exceeding our revenue guidance and growing 73% year over year. Finally, in Q1 of 2020, we processed our 100,000 sample. Our biopharma business is an area where we continue to see clear long-term opportunity.

Our biopharma revenue in the fourth quarter was $4.4 million, well within the range we expected and provided in our 2019 guidance. Looking ahead, I'd like to point out four factors that give us confidence in the long-term growth of this business. First, I'm happy to report that in the fourth quarter, as in the third quarter, new orders significantly exceeded revenues. In fact orders were more than twice the amount of revenue in the fourth quarter.

Although we have not yet completed our current quarter, I can say today that this trend has continued, and we now have Q1 orders more than tripled our expected revenue in Q1. Some of this is due to a large order from a single customer which is not expected to repeat in every quarter. Even without this large new order though, our new orders are larger than the revenue we expect in Q1, as was the case in the third and fourth quarters of 2019 as well. As we have mentioned before, given the nature of our business, it takes time for an order to begin to convert to meaningful revenues, but this growth in orders gives us confidence in our future revenue stream.

Second, you may recall that on our third-quarter earnings call, I mentioned that we were in advanced discussions with four multinational pharma companies who are not customers in 2018. I'm happy to note that two of these four pharmaceutical companies placed orders with us in the fourth quarter. And through Q1 2020, as of this week, we have received orders from a few more large pharma customers. We expect to win additional large customers over the coming year, diversifying our customer base, driving growth and reducing choppiness in our biopharma business over time.

Third, as of the end of December, a total of 19 customers have now ordered NeXT compared with the 10 we reported at the end of the third quarter. We continue to be pleased with how NeXT is being received by our existing and new customers. While it will take time for new customers to complete pilots because of the extensive data validation work they typically perform, we are pleased with the number of customers engaged and look forward to deepening our engagement with those customers over time. Lastly, in the fourth quarter, we continued to build out our commercial team as planned, carrying an additional business development employees, both -- in both the U.S.

and Europe. In total, at the end of 2019, our company had 182 employees compared to 130 a year ago. I'm happy to report that we have now grown our commercial team by 50% since the IPO, giving us a much stronger capability to connect with customers. With this foundation in place, we are well positioned for long-term growth within our biopharma business, but of course acknowledge that uncertainties related to COVID-19 will have an impact on our original growth plans for the back half of 2020.

I'd now like to update you on the population sequencing part of our business and the solid progress we are making with the VA MVP. As you may recall, in the third quarter, we received our largest order ever from the VA MVP. We started working with the VA eight years ago in 2012, and the program now represents our largest single source of revenue. The VA MVP project is one of the largest population sequencing efforts in history with over 825,000 enrollees to date.

Since 2013, Personalis has sequenced full human genomes from over 50,000 VA MVP samples. And our population sequencing business continues to be a significant growth driver for us. We value our business with the VA MVP tremendously, given the significant long-term revenue potential and the importance of their mission. Our engagement with the VA MVP has enabled us to invest in technology and build considerable scale and automation, allowing us to deliver high-quality information, both to the VA and other customers.

As we've described before, we are continuing to work through our backlog with VA MVP, as we recognize revenue over the next several quarters. We expect the backlog to increase substantially if we receive an additional order under our current four year contract in Q3 of 2020, as has been the case historically. As a side note, we're excited to report that recently, the White House submitted a budget which calls for continuing support of the MVP program at levels similar to prior years. We are in communication with the VA MVP about the currently evolving impact of COVID-19 on their organization.

We look forward to maintaining our imminent relation -- our important relationships with them as they continue to deliver on their ambitious goals. Taking a step back, we increasingly see the VA MVP as just one example of the growing opportunities for us outside of cancer. While we focus on expanding our cancer technology and platforms, we feel we can leverage those same core capabilities in other domains. For example, we expect our experience with the MVP program to position us for future opportunities to work on other anxious population sequencing efforts.

We're focused on building out a commercial team to fully address these opportunities. We are well positioned in the multibillion-dollar market with a large foundation the VA MVP provides and expect opportunities in this area to fuel considerable long-term growth. Other examples include ongoing discussions with biopharmaceutical partners for application of our NeXT platform and analytics to therapy development for inflammatory diseases and genetic disorders. To capture more of these opportunities outside of cancer, we anticipate further expansion of our business development team and activities in this area.

Before turning the call over to Aaron to review our financials, I'd also like to update you on two exciting new product initiatives that will allow us to expand our market and provide new proprietary products to our customers. I'm happy to report that since our last update, we launched our diagnostic readout on NeXT to be used by biopharma customers in clinical trials as well as researchers with whom we collaborate. This better positions us to potentially develop a companion diagnostic and will help us continue to build our proprietary database. We also plan to offer this diagnostic to leading research centers, intending to build an undercurrent clinical adoption.

Secondly, we are continuing the development of our liquid biopsy product, offering biopharma customers a comprehensive view of 20,000 genes using plasma samples from patients with cancer. We look forward to bringing this to customers this year. We believe our liquid biopsy will be used in concert with and downstream of our tissue-based profiling assay. We think that with the liquid biopsy product in hand, our sales team will be able to better serve our existing tissue customers and win business from customers that need data from both tissue and blood.

This represents a significant expansion of our current addressable market as customers gain the ability to test individual patients multiple times in a more practical manner than they can with tissue-based tests. In closing, I'd like to reiterate our excitement about the traction we've seen over the last quarter, expanding our customer base to include additional large pharmaceutical companies and seeing very favorable reception of our NeXT product, reflected in the '19 NeXT orders we have reported so far. As I mentioned at the outset of the call, given the evolving nature of the COVID-19 pandemic, our first priority is the safety of our employees. Unfortunately, as is currently the case for many companies, there will be an impact to our business in the short and medium term related to this global disruption.

However, we believe, we have the right foundation in place for long-term growth, evidenced by a growing number of NeXT orders as well as the strong long-term partner in the VA MVP. With that, I will now hand it over to Aaron for more details on our financial results and guidance.

Aaron Tachibana -- Chief Financial Officer

Thank you John. And good afternoon everyone. I will first provide an overview of our full-year 2019 results and then more detail about the fourth quarter. 2019 was a great year for Personalis.

We increased revenue 73% over the prior year and released two important new products for future growth. Our NeXT platform was released in the first half of 2019, and we have seen great customer traction thus far. And also we completed the development of the NeXT diagnostic test at the end of the year. In addition, we raised $140 million from our IPO last June which provided us with the capital needed to invest in growth initiatives and also maintain a healthy cash position which is very important during this time of uncertainty.

Revenues for the full year of 2019 were $65.2 million, up 73% from $37.8 million in 2018 and exceeded the upper end of our guidance. The VA MVP revenues were $43.5 million for the full year of 2019, up 134% from last year, and biopharma revenues were $21.7 million for 2019, up 13% from last year. Gross margin for the full year of 2019 was 33.9% compared with 31.3% in 2018, and the increase was primarily due to operating leverage and higher volume, mostly from the VA MVP samples that we tested. Operating expenses including R&D and SG&A, were $44.5 million for 2019, and net loss was $25.1 million, with a net loss per share of $1.39 based upon a weighted average share count of 18 million.

Now on to details about the fourth quarter. Revenues for the fourth quarter of 2019 were $18.2 million, up 38% from $13.2 million for the same period of the prior year. The $18.2 million was a new record high for quarterly revenues. The sequential quarterly revenue growth was driven by an increase in volume for testing services provided to the VA MVP.

For the fourth quarter, the VA MVP revenue of $13.8 million was 124% higher than $6.1 million for the same period of the prior year. The VA MVP unfulfilled orders at the end of the fourth quarter were $68.8 million. And based upon current estimates, we expect the unfulfilled orders to convert to revenue over approximately the next five quarters. Biopharma and all other customers accounted for revenues of $4.4 million for the fourth quarter compared with $7 million for the same period of the prior year.

Gross margin was 36.2% for the fourth quarter compared with 32.8% for the prior quarter and 36.7% in the same period of the prior year. The VA MVP gross margins continue to be solid and were much higher than the corporate gross margin of 36.2% reported for the fourth quarter. The VA MVP being higher volume and one service offering has been automated and does not require a significant amount of labor compared with the biopharma sample test process. The fourth quarter sequential gross margin increase of 340 basis points was primarily due to a one-time cost reduction of approximately 550 basis points for certain materials partially offset by underutilized direct labor and overhead from biopharma and also the mix of biopharma customer projects.

As mentioned during prior conference calls, we may see gross margin variability in the future as there are a few moving parts, such as sample processing volume, sample receipt linearity from customers, the mix of customer projects and capacity utilization of labor and equipment. Operating expenses were $13.8 million in the fourth quarter compared with $8 million for the same period of the prior year. R&D expense was $7.4 million in the fourth quarter compared with $4.3 million for the same period last year. The majority of the increase in R&D was attributed to headcount growth and lab supplies for new product development.

SG&A expense was $6.4 million in the fourth quarter compared with $3.7 million for the same period last year. Most of the spending increase was related to headcount growth and public company costs. Net loss for the fourth quarter was $6.6 million compared with the net loss of $3.6 million for the same period of the prior year. The net loss per share for the fourth quarter was $0.21, and the weighted average basic and diluted share count was 31.2 million compared with the net loss per share of $1.16, and a weighted average basic and diluted share count of 3.1 million for the same period of the prior year.

The number of shares last year is significantly lower because it did not include the conversion of approximately 18.5 million shares of preferred stock, nor did it include the 9.1 million shares from the initial public offering. Now on to the balance sheet. We exited the fourth quarter with a very strong balance sheet with cash and short-term investments of $128.3 million. Fourth-quarter cash flow from operations was positive $2.4 million primarily due to prepayments received from the VA MVP, and we paid $1.9 million for capital equipment.

For the full year of 2019, cash flow from operations was negative $18.1 million, and we paid $8.4 million of capital equipment additions. With a very strong cash position of $128 million, we have sufficient runway to operate over the next couple of years. Near term, we will be able to invest in critical areas and continue to hire exceptional talent, so we can be well positioned to accelerate growth once the COVID-19 situation is behind us. Now for a discussion about our guidance.

Due to uncertainty from the COVID-19 pandemic, we are withdrawing the previous revenue guidance for fiscal 2020 that we provided during our last conference call. At this point in time, what we can tell you is that over the last couple of weeks, we have continued to receive customer samples and purchase orders however at a slower rate than we expected. In addition, we now have a limited number of employees working in our lab to process samples which may affect near term revenue. It's still too early for us to quantify the magnitude of this disruption or determine how long it will take to resume normal operations.

Therefore, we are not providing 2020 guidance until we know more. We plan to provide an update to this information during our Q1 2020 earnings call. Now, I will turn the call back over to the operator to begin the Q&A session. Operator?

Questions & Answers:

Operator

[Operator instructions] Our first question comes from the line of David Lewis with Morgan Stanley. Your line is now open.

Unknown speaker

Hey guys. This is Edmund on for David. Can you guys hear me OK?

John West -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Hi Edmund.

Unknown speaker

Thanks for providing the color and update on the coronavirus situation. And I appreciate that you guys won't be providing financial guidance on 2020 until the next call. But could you help us think about next year, specifically I guess in regards to your clinical -- or your MVP side, when a task order is received, does that mean the sample is already there and just needs to be pulled from biobank sent to Personalis or does it still need to be acquired? Like, I'm trying to think about whether or not there's going to be a coronavirus impact on sample acquisition from the MVP side. And similarly, on the biopharma side I know like a lot of clinical trials, the enrollment has been slowed down significantly for biopharma companies.

What have you been hearing from the customers over the past month? And how is this impacting Personalis now? And what are you expecting in terms of how this is going to play out?

Aaron Tachibana -- Chief Financial Officer

So let me answer those two pieces, Edmund. So first, I'll talk about the MVP. So as we had mentioned on our last couple of calls, the VA MVP sample flow had been accelerated from five to six months ago. And so sitting here today, near term, we have sufficient samples in-house to continue to process.

The key question, since we are on this order from the county and the state, we do have a limited number of workers in-house processing samples in the lab, and so that could impede the amount of revenue we can produce for the VA MVP. So it's not really going to be sample flow near term. It's going to be capacity and capability. In terms of sample flow from the VA, so right now, we're in close communications with them.

We don't have any indications that sample flow is going to slow down anytime soon. However, if the VA laboratory is on any type of an order or shutdown just like we are over here in the Bay area, that could affect sample flow to us down the road. OK? And so sitting here today to answer the question, we have sufficient samples near term. It's going to be a capacity question.

In terms of the biopharma sample flow, so we have been seeing sample flow over the last couple of weeks. In terms of the information about clinical trials, the enrollment is going slower and in some cases, have stopped. In terms of samples that are coming in, what we're going to do is prioritize those samples that are needed for our personalized cancer therapy customers because patients in those trials are relying upon our customers to be able to manufacture a drug or a therapy quick for them. And so we're prioritizing those samples.

Right now we are seeing some sample flows. However again all of our customers and suppliers are taking measures to protect their employees, families and the community. And so that could slow down over time as well. It's just too early for us to tell exactly what that magnitude is going to be or how long.

But the way we see it, business is not going to go away. It's probably going to be shifting out to the right. So the growth curve is going to move out. And it's hard to tell, is it six months, is it nine months, right, but it is moving out based upon what we see today.

Clinton Musil -- Chief Business Officer

But just -- this is Clinton. Just to be clear about the sample collection. The large majority of our samples have already been collected in both parts of our business. So the VA MVP samples have been collected and the majority of the work that we do on the biopharma side is retrospective as well.

So most of the samples have been collected.

Unknown speaker

Got it. And in terms of the biopharma side, I'm assuming the retrospective studies are less affected by the coronavirus in terms of processing samples. Can you give us a mix of where you stand today in terms of retrospective versus perspective?

Aaron Tachibana -- Chief Financial Officer

Yeah. So Edmund, in terms of the sample flow, that's generally correct. Retrospective are not going to be as problematic with this COVID-19 as prospective samples coming in. However, if our customers have to go and lockdown or shutdown some of their lab operations or their suppliers, the CROs have to shut down their operations, then it could affect the sample flow that comes into us eventually.

In near term, as Clinton had mentioned, we do have samples in-house, but over time, that dynamic can change. In terms of the mixture today -- so today, more of our business is weighted toward retrospective in the biopharma business. It's still more than half on the retrospective side.

Unknown speaker

Great. And in terms of your NeXT DX test -- your clinical test, what can -- how can we think about the revenue contribution and the ramping? And do you have a -- any price points that you can give us or plans to submit the panel to FDA down the road?

Aaron Tachibana -- Chief Financial Officer

Hey John. Do you want to take that?

John West -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah. I think, I can answer that one. So we focused our NeXT DX test on as being something we would use to work with pharmaceutical companies. And so this is -- that's really the positioning of the product to start with.

It's for companies that, in fact, we're already buying into the comprehensiveness of the NeXT platform, but then also wanting to be able to have a diagnostic test free lab at the same time from the same very limited sample. So that's the positioning of that. We are interested in the regulatory path for that and have been exploring that. We'll probably have more to say about that in future quarters.

Unknown speaker

OK. Thank you very much guys.

John West -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Thank you Edmund.

Operator

Our next question comes from Derik De Bruin with Bank of America. Your line is now open.

Derik De Bruin -- Bank of America Merrill Lynch -- Analyst

Hey. Good afternoon. You mentioned that you've signed a couple of large pharma customers recently that some of the -- you converted two of the four you were talking with. Can you sort of talk about what services they're buying, basically sort of like what are the menus that they're choosing from you?

John West -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah. This is John West. I'd say the area that we have seen the adoption that we're really happy about has been with our NeXT platform. And so this is our -- the platform we introduced in the middle of last year that looks, not only at all 20,000 genes in both the DNA and the RNA, but also provides a comprehensive view of the immune system with both the adaptive and the innate side of the immune system being captured.

So that's probably our frontline product. There are cases where customers want to have subsets of that who are still working with earlier products that we have. But the real focus and actually part of what we're probably most excited about has been the adoption of the NeXT platform. So we mentioned 19 customers now having placed orders for NeXT obviously a number of those are these large pharmaceutical companies that we also mentioned.

Derik De Bruin -- Bank of America Merrill Lynch -- Analyst

And so how many of your prior customers did you step up to NeXT ID?

John West -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah. So when we talked last year about the business I think we were saying we had between 45 and 50 biopharma customers. And so now we're saying that we have 19 customers who have been looking at -- who've ordered our NeXT platform. So it's probably approaching 40% of -- in terms of numbers of customers at this point.

I would say that there is a lot of interest in the platform and the capabilities. And so unless people have a reason that they need to stay compatible with something with the prior platform, our existing customers who are already using our earlier generation often are quite interested in NeXT. And that's -- that is some of the adoption we see, and it's also new customers that are coming in because of NeXT.

Derik De Bruin -- Bank of America Merrill Lynch -- Analyst

So on the Veterans program, you mentioned that it got an incremental funding boost in the last budget. Can you talk a little bit more detail? I guess some of the questions I'm getting from clients are basically just want to know how secure that funding is. Could it be repurposed? I mean basically, is there any indication at all from the Veterans program that money to be pulled from that program to go elsewhere to be redirected in the current site?

John West -- President and Chief Executive Officer

So I would say -- this is John. We have not seen any indication of that being repurposed. And to give you an idea of the new budget that was proposed by the White House would be for fiscal year '21 which could conceivably lead to a purchase order for us in September of 2021. And so that's year and a half from now that the purchase order might, kind of, more the -- the new contract might come at that point.

And then we would be talking about samples to be processed in the time following that. So that's some distance out. I think if they were going to be repurposing it, potentially could be from nearer term, current year budgets, but in fact, the contracts we have for those budgets are largely paid in advance, and we've largely received those payments at this point. So I think we're feeling pretty solid about that.

I think that the million veterans program is actually quite a priority for the VA. And the resources that are used for it largely are separate from the clinical resources of the Veterans administration.

Derik De Bruin -- Bank of America Merrill Lynch -- Analyst

Great. Thank you for the additional color on that one. And I guess, I can appreciate the uncertainty and sort of the situation, I mean obviously all companies are going to be facing headwinds. I guess the question I want on -- if you have some sort of sense on, are we looking for a -- I guess, I'm -- just sort of giving us any sort of direction on the amount of decline you could possibly see based upon current trends.

I mean by -- for example, we've heard that like wellness visits to diagnostic labs are down 50%, right? I mean just sort of questioning is like what are you sort of seeing in your current outlook or current things like that to sort of give us any sort of direction for the next couple of quarters?

John West -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Yes. So this is John. I guess I would say that the things like wellness business are not the source of our samples. Obviously, we're working with cancer patients and the flow of cancer patients is not very much changed by the outbreak of the virus.

I think that said, when you're talking about experimental therapies which might be in trials by pharmaceutical companies, some of those trials may be delayed. And so to the extent that we're involved in those prospectively, that could lead to delays in samples. And I'd also say that just many of our pharmaceutical customers, even the large factions of their workforces are working from home. And so although we're actually so remarkably engaged with many of them, there are going to be things where you have to assume there will be slowdowns there, either in uptake of the platform, people adopting it for the first time, and that could be reflected a year from now or people being able to get sample shipped to us if those samples are being held by the -- at CRO and the CRO is shutdown or that kind of thing.

So I'd say that you were I think looking for some color on kind of the magnitude of all this. And I would say, we're currently seeing shipment of samples from customers. And that some amount of that is continuing. We also have had customers who have had to push out dates.

In some cases, somewhat uncertain what the dates will be because of the disruption. So it's sort of -- it's not 100%, it is not 0%. It's sort of in between. I think we'll have a better idea of being able to quantify that potentially on our Q1 conference call.

Derik De Bruin -- Bank of America Merrill Lynch -- Analyst

OK. So just -- so summarizing this is like, so your VA business is stable for now, budget looks fine. But it's a question on what your own operations are at your lab and whether or not you can staff it and fill people there in sample flow? And the biopharma probably take that down more just given some of the trial delays. I'm just sort of thinking about how to sort of like put together the hit on this?

John West -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, of course. I'd say that the -- on the VA side, I think as Aaron had said, we have a substantial number of samples in-house already that we've received from the VA. The challenge there will be on being able to -- whether we can, in fact, process all of them. I would say it's a very dynamic situation.

I mean we came into work on Monday of last week, and there were no government orders by Monday afternoon. We had an order from the six county area around the San Francisco Bay here. And then on Thursday evening, there was a new different order from the state of California. So it's just a very dynamic situation.

And it's not only the orders that affect our geographic location that obviously there are governments around the world that are taking action, and we have customers who are located almost all around the world. So it depends on what's happening in their countries as well, not just in the United States.

Derik De Bruin -- Bank of America Merrill Lynch -- Analyst

Great. Thanks for the color.

John West -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Thanks.

Operator

Our next question comes from Doug Schenkel with Cowen and Company. Your line is now open.

Doug Schenkel -- Cowen and Company -- Analyst

Hey. Good afternoon guys. Thanks for taking the questions and glad to hear you're safe and to hear your voices.

John West -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Thanks for being on teh call.

Doug Schenkel -- Cowen and Company -- Analyst

So recognizing most of your biopharma work is retrospective, as you've mentioned a few times, and you have most of those samples, if not all of them, and recognizing that VA sample access is pretty streamlined at this point. Is it fair to assume that the revenue timing in trying to time the impact of COVID-19 on your company, it could be a little different for you than for others in the sense that you have a little more control over Q2 because you have the samples obviously not perfect control and there's a lot of unknowns out there? But with most of the samples in-house, is it fair to assume that to the extent there is a pronounced revenue impact on your business? It might be felt a little bit later for you than for others, meaning, it probably requires a prolonged period of pandemic impact before it hits your P&L.

Aaron Tachibana -- Chief Financial Officer

I think I'd want to be clear. Maybe I can answer that one that the -- when we talk about retrospective samples from biopharma customers that it may be that the pharmaceutical company has the samples that typically would be the case on a retrospective study, but it doesn't mean that they're able to send them to us. Because they often have them stored in a biobank for people who operate the biobank may no longer be going to work. They may be being held at a contract research organization.

Sometimes we receive samples from almost every country in the world. And so those organizations are having delays or shutdowns, it can be a delay on us receiving samples. So although it's not likely that there'll be so much delay in retrospective cases obviously the samples already have been taken. So it's not that there's a delay and the sample is being essentially created to start with.

But the sort of chain of custody of those samples going from where they were originally collected to actually ending up at our laboratory can have a lot of steps in. And we do see issues and delays with that chain. So I think it's -- we will have some impact from samples where our customer already has the sample, but they're already pushing out the data on which it will get sent to us.

Doug Schenkel -- Cowen and Company -- Analyst

OK. Yeah that's helpful. I mean it sounds like a lower hurdle than having to go out and get a new sample from a patient in a prospective study. But still if a customer shutdown or folks are working from home, that's obviously going to have an impact.

OK. So I'm with you. That's helpful. Does the pandemic impact timelines for any pipeline products including, but not limited to, your liquid biopsy product which I believe was targeted for later this year?

Aaron Tachibana -- Chief Financial Officer

So we had -- Go ahead.

John West -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Yes. This is -- I guess, I'd say, this is a -- it's actually a very -- I mean it's never good to have this kind of disruption. But whenever you're bringing out a product like that, there would be people who would be busy in the lab working on initial samples and characterizing them and getting radical product launch and analyzing that data and so forth and all of the activity that we can do remotely by computer can continue. But the part where we're actually running samples and typically, at the stage of product development, you're really trying to ramp up the number of samples you're characterizing and potentially working with collaborators and so forth.

So a lot of that really comes to a halt during this period of time. So it little bit depends on how long this happens. We do have samples that we have run prior to this situation happening. So we have data to work with and so where the product development is not halted, but there definitely is a delay there.

We're still thinking about that being released in 2020. But I'd say we really can't say for sure because we don't know how long this situation with COVID-19 is going to happen.

Doug Schenkel -- Cowen and Company -- Analyst

Understood. And has your ability to have discussions with existing customers about expanding into new programs or new potential customers, I imagine, that's been impacted. But I also wonder if there's some potential for you to move those discussions for -- maybe not in person, but, kind of, along the lines of what you've just described, while folks are working from home. I mean I guess a long-winded way of saying, does the selling process have to come to a halt or have you found ways to keep that going even with folks working remotely?

Aaron Tachibana -- Chief Financial Officer

Yes. So absolutely I think we've been on more video conferences in the last two weeks than you can shake a stick at. But I think it would be...

Doug Schenkel -- Cowen and Company -- Analyst

Same here.

Clinton Musil -- Chief Business Officer

Yes. You probably have been too. I'd say the -- with existing customers where we already have a relationship, then if we're talking about new things and so forth, there's obviously a lot of engagement with those customers. And some of those kinds of discussions can continue.

There's probably a percentage reduction, but in general those can continue. But we also talked quite a bit on our script about adoption of NeXT by new customers, who've never worked with us before. And in those cases, getting in front of somebody in person and walking them through things and be able to answer their questions in real time and the feedback, the back and forth discussion, that's pretty important. And so I think we -- when we look at the impact of COVID-19 obviously we're doing everything we can to minimize that.

But I think part of it is not just which samples show up on which day in the next one or two or three quarters, that -- but also, what's the adoption by completely new customers to us. And if that's adoption that would have happened this year as orders, that could be revenue that happens in 2021. So it's a little longer term there. So I think we're kind of thinking about this as something, as Aaron described, where the revenue growth curve, as we look forward, probably shifts to the right by some amount.

And it depends a little bit on how long this process goes on. It also depends on whether our customers are impacted if there's an economic downturn as well, then there could be some slowdown there. We don't know.

Doug Schenkel -- Cowen and Company -- Analyst

OK. That's all really helpful. Thanks for taking all the time to think through this with us. And I know it's a difficult and fluid situation, so thanks guys.

Aaron Tachibana -- Chief Financial Officer

Thanks Doug.

Clinton Musil -- Chief Business Officer

Thanks Doug.

Operator

Our next question comes from Kevin DeGeeter with Oppenheimer. Your line is now open.

Kevin DeGeeter -- Oppenheimer -- Analyst

Hey. Thanks for taking my questions. So in prepared comments, you called out some opportunities to expand the biopharma business into indications outside of oncology, I believe, inflammatory disease and genetic disorders among potentially others. As we think about the current product menu, are there specific components of the menu that you really lead with in your discussions outside of oncology that -- and probably more to the point of our thinking, how do we think about the need for potential menu expansion to really kind of capitalize on some of those additional opportunities?

John West -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah. Kevin thanks for being on the call this afternoon. I'd say one of the reasons that we've begun to pay more attention to that is that customers started to approach us and say, "Hey, we saw you have this product and you're maybe working with people in our pharmaceutical company in cancer, but actually, we can also use that in these other areas." So I think the initial opportunity that we're seeing is something where we work with the existing products we have, sometimes with maybe some changes in the informatics and reporting and so forth, but that many of the kind of capabilities we have from an assay standpoint or a laboratory standpoint or a workflow standpoint, many of those are applicable to these other areas. So I think what we're seeing is an opportunity where there may not need to be a long, new product development to address those markets, we may be able to at least begin making progress in those markets.

And in fact, we've been beginning to see some progress there using products that we already have. I would say one of the things that's interesting is, as you know, in cancer, we've focused a lot on immuno-oncology, but of course, the immune system is really important in a lot of other diseases as well. And so our ability to see that and to combine those genetics with the genetics that we're seeing that would impact the other aspects of the disease is quite helpful. And the -- in many of these diseases, the RNA side of what we do is also tremendously informative.

And so the combination of those capabilities that we have lets us address these other opportunities, in some cases, with more or less our existing products. If the opportunity is got to be larger, we'll think about menu expansion. But even with the existing menu, we think there are opportunities.

Kevin DeGeeter -- Oppenheimer -- Analyst

And you also called out population sequencing opportunities beyond the MVP program as being an area where you see potential increased opportunity I guess particularly against the backdrop of expanding public sector spending across the board. But from an operational perspective, that would seem to be a pretty concentrated list of opportunities. So is the investment there really about how to better identify potential opportunities earlier or is it really about the ability to properly resource RFPs or other specific contracting work that you're hearing about are already in the public domain?

John West -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Yes. So I'd say that obviously, we have visibility to a lot of the population sequencing efforts. I know a number of you have written pieces on that space. And the -- I think before we were a public company, we probably would not have considered things that were in other countries.

But two things have happened. One is obviously the company is better capitalized at this point, and that makes it more possible for us to think about this. But also the progress we've made in developing the scale we've needed to build out for the MVP and the automation that we've had to build out there, at this point I think we have described on our prior call, sequencing over 10,000 human genomes per quarter, that's a lot of robotic automation. And so that makes it easier for us to think about well what if we have to do that in another country and partner with another country.

And some of the countries that are developing these projects have their own high-end sequencing laboratories and probably we'll do those in those laboratories and often those are university affiliated and so forth. On the other hand, there are more countries on the list than have large-scale sequencing efforts. And this is not just a matter of buying a few Illumina instruments, plugging them in and getting started. And so our ability to do this in a commercial fashion with bringing in the kind of automation and the optimization that -- we've been working on this since 2012.

So we're pretty far down the learning curve. And other people could talk about in principles having the possibility to sequence the large numbers of genomes, but we've already done it. We've already sequenced over 50,000 whole human genome. There's almost no other companies in the world that have done that.

They're based in the United States obviously Illumina did that with genome, and there are some efforts going on in China and so forth. But actually, there are not very many companies that have this kind of capability. And so as we began talking with groups, we've had people approach us and say, is there something that you would be interested in? And to be honest, as we've gotten better at it, it has gotten more interesting. I'd say we also saw a huge expansion in our VA business last year when we were getting ready for our IPO.

We had been in a position where samples from the VA had taken some time to arrive because there were preparations that needed to be made on the VA side. But as we got into Q2 and particularly Q3 last year, we were really almost surprised by the rate at which samples were able to come and all the preparation work we've done really let us ramp that up. So I think Aaron commented that our VA business increased more than 100% last year. It's clear that happened not only because of the availability of samples and our ability to process them.

And so I think we see that there's a capability and it's something we've gotten good at, and there's a need for it. And we're more open to thinking about operating in multiple countries now than perhaps we would have been prior to our IPO.

Kevin DeGeeter -- Oppenheimer -- Analyst

Make sense. And then maybe just a housekeeping question for me. You did call out one large order in 1Q that may not repeat. Was that order from an existing customer that was already a top 10 customer? Was that from one of your new large pharma customers?

John West -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah. So this is the customer we started working with and we got our first order from them in the fourth quarter and we received a much larger order in the first quarter and the relationship we're building with them is one where if things go according to their plans and ours, we would expect that there could be additional orders in future quarters. But they've given us orders but sometimes it might take a few quarters to be executed on. So it's not that if -- we think of this as a one-time thing that may never repeat, it is just that it may not repeat every single quarter.

And so there may be quarters where there's an order there that could be substantial in size. And then maybe the following quarter, we're working on executing on it. So it's not necessarily a smooth every quarter thing from an orders perspective. But it is a -- it is in cancer and leveraging a lot of our capabilities there.

Kevin DeGeeter -- Oppenheimer -- Analyst

Well, great. And congratulations on all the progress of the business.

John West -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Great. Thank you.

Aaron Tachibana -- Chief Financial Officer

Thanks Kevin.

Clinton Musil -- Chief Business Officer

Thanks Kevin.

Operator

[Operator signoff]

Duration: 54 minutes

Call participants:

Caroline Corner -- Westwicke ICR

John West -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Aaron Tachibana -- Chief Financial Officer

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Clinton Musil -- Chief Business Officer

Derik De Bruin -- Bank of America Merrill Lynch -- Analyst

Doug Schenkel -- Cowen and Company -- Analyst

Kevin DeGeeter -- Oppenheimer -- Analyst

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