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Ship Finance International (NYSE:SFL)
Q2 2020 Earnings Call
Aug 18, 2020, 10:00 a.m. ET

Contents:

  • Prepared Remarks
  • Questions and Answers
  • Call Participants

Prepared Remarks:


Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by, and welcome to the SFL Corporation earnings conference call. [Operator instructions] I must advise you the conference is being recorded today. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Ole Hjertaker. Please go ahead, sir.

Ole Hjertaker -- Director and Chief Executive Officer

Thank you, and welcome all to SFL's second-quarter conference call. I will start the call by briefly going through the highlights of the quarter. And following that, our CFO, Aksel Olesen, will take us through the financials and the call will be concluded by opening up for questions. Before we begin our presentation, I would like to note that this conference call will contain forward-looking statements within the meaning of the U.S.

Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Words such as expects, anticipates, intends, estimates, or similar expressions are intended to identify these forward-looking statements. These statements are based on our current plans and expectations and involve risks and uncertainties that could cause future activities and results of operations to be materially different from those set forth in the forward-looking statements. Important factors that could cause actual results to differ includes conditions in the shipping, offshore, and credit markets.

For further information, please refer to SFL's reports and filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. The announced dividend of $0.25 per share represents a dividend yield of around 10.5% based on closing price yesterday and this is our 66th quarter with dividends. Over the years, we have paid more than $27 per share in dividends or $2.3 billion in total and we have a significant fixed rate charter backlog supporting continued dividend capacity going forward. The total charter revenues of $158 million was in line with the first quarter, with more than 90% of this from vessels on long-term charters and less than 10% from vessels employed on short-term charters and in the spot market.

All customers are current on the charter payments and we have good cash flow visibility into the current quarter. The EBITDA equivalent cash flow in the quarter was approximately $121 million and last 12 months, the EBITDA equivalent cash flow has been approximately $481 million demonstrating the stability. With a very large proportion of long-term charters and the fact that all customers are current with charter payments, the underlying business remained robust and cash position was more than $150 million after a payment of a bond loan in June. In addition, we had $35 million in marketable securities at quarter end.

Our fixed rate backlog stands at approximately $3.4 billion after recent vessels acquisitions, charter extensions, and vessel sales, providing cash flow visibility going forward. We have been cautious in the light of the uncertainty caused by the COVID-19 outbreak. But in my -- May, we acquired a new build VLCC with long-term charter. The net purchase price was $65 million, which is significantly below current broker estimates for VLCC resales, effectively providing SFL with a very attractive risk profile.

Our chartering counterparty, the Landbridge Group has secured a three-year subcharter to an oil major, providing good cash flow visibility. There are purchase options for the charter during the charter period, first time after three years, and at the end of the charter, there is a purchase obligation. The net contribution after debt service during the first three years is estimated to more than $4 million on average with full cash flow effect from this quarter. We have been active extending charters on our existing fleet.

And so far this year, we have added $172 million to our charter backlog on existing vessels, $38 million was linked to an extension agreed in the second quarter for seven container vessels we extended by another 4.5 years. And with a large fleet of assets, there will always be acquisitions and disposals and two of the vessels on charter to the Hunter Group has been repurchased by them. The Hunter deal was designed to give us a very high return on low-risk profile in exchange for flexibility on Hunter's part. This is a good example of a cost of capital arbitrage where we could utilize our premium access to low-cost funding, and at the same time, give flexibility that Hunter was willing to pay for.

Delivery took place earlier today and net cash to us is $23 million after repayment of the associated financing and there is one vessel remaining with Hunter in our fleet after that. We have also been active in the financing market over the last months and have addressed most of the financing maturities this year. Terms have been attractive and we have seen lower all-in interest costs than ever before despite the general market volatility. We believe part of the reason for this is the consistent performance of SFL the last 16 years and our ability to source capital from a much wider market than most other maritime companies.

During the second quarter, we refinanced four large container vessels at historical low interest costs. We sort $50 million of nonrecourse financing on the new VLCC we acquired and we repaid the Norwegian kroner denominated bond loan due in June from our cash position. The COVID-19 pandemic has caused massive disruptions in most transportation markets and for offshore assets. As early as January, we implemented a robust emergency management plan with a goal of ensuring the health and safety of our crew on board the vessels and onshore while maintaining our business operations as efficiently as possible.

In addition to our own requirements, all crewing managers are following the guidance issued by the World Health Organization and the International Chamber of Shipping to ensure that the proper protocols are in place on board the vessels. We are hosting regular meetings with all crewing managers in all our sectors to discuss and handle any issues, in particular, challenging facing our crew and safe operations as they arise. While we have good and strong protocols in place on board our vessels during the normal ship and port operations, our biggest concern is with crude changes. The logistics challenges of testing and moving people across border safely without infection are enormous, and in many countries and ports, such movements are not even allowed.

This means that we have had to postpone crew changes and extend the contracts of many of our seafarers over this period after the outbreak. While they have shown great understanding of the situation, there are many individuals who have suffered due to this and we acknowledge their vital contribution in these challenging times. In addition to crew transfers, we have also experienced some delays at shipyards in connection with dry dockings and scrubber retrofitting of vessels. Of the 85 vessels, currently only three are idle and we have seen some improvements in the market in several of the segments recently.

After all, the vessels more exposed to near-term market developments represent less than 10% of our charter revenues and the 90% fixed rate revenues are more insulated to short-term market movements caused by effects that we could not predict. Despite the impact of COVID-19 on global trade, all our counterparties are current from charter hire payments with good visibility for the current quarter as mentioned before. But we will, of course, continue to closely monitor developments in our customers' end markets in order to be able to react quickly to any potential business disruptions. Following the recent charter extensions, our charter backlog now stands at approximately $3.4 billion, and of this, more than $420 million has been added in the last 12 months.

Over the years, we have changed both fleet composition and structure and we now have 85 assets in our portfolio and no vessels remaining from the initial fleet in 2004. We have gone from a single asset class charter to one single customer to a diversified fleet in multiple counterparties. And over time, the mix of the charter backlog has varied from 100% tankers to nearly 60% offshore at one stage to container being the largest segment now with 55% of the backlog. We do not have a set mix in the portfolio, focus is on evaluating deal opportunities across the segments and try to do the right dissections from a risk-reward perspective.

Over time, we believe this will balance itself out, but we try to be careful and conservative in our investments, and not just invest because money is burning in our pockets. With the exception of two car carriers that are currently idle in the shipping space, all our other assets are generating cash flow. Some segments like the dry bulk market and containership market have also improved over the last few months. The offshore market, however, remains very challenging.

We have three rigs on charter to Seadrill and two of the rigs are harsh environment units working in the North Sea. West Linus is subchartered to ConocoPhillips on a very long charter until the end of 2028. And West Hercules, a semi-submersible is subchartered to Equinor until next year. In addition, there are some options for Equinor for extended employment.

The third rig, West Taurus is idle and laid off in Norway. Seadrill is paying the agreed charter hire on all three rigs and we continue reducing the debt on the rigs as per schedule. This means that we have reduced debt by nearly 30% since Seadrill filed for Chapter 11 in 2017. Seadrill has disclosed that it is currently engaged in discussions with its lenders to provide operational flexibility and additional near-term liquidity.

We believe it will be in all stakeholders' interest to have a financially stronger counterparty and we are in a constructive dialogue with Seadrill. I can't -- unfortunately, not comment anymore on this right now. But given our fleet composition, most of our cash flow comes from shipping assets and unlike most other companies with a financing profile in the maritime world, nearly two-thirds of our cash flow comes from vessels on time charter and only a third from bareboat chartered assets. Our strategy has been to maintain a strong technical and commercial operating platform in cooperation with our sister companies in the Seatankers Group.

This gives us the ability to offer a wider range of services to our customers from structured financing to full-service time charters. But more importantly, we also believe it gives us unique access to deal flow in our core segments. And with that, I will give the word over to our CFO, Mr. Olesen, who will take us through the financial highlights for the quarter.

Aksel Olesen -- Chief Financial Officer

Thank you, Mr. Hjertaker. On this slide, we have shown a pro forma illustration of cash flow for the second quarter. Please note that this is only a guideline to assess the company's performance and is not in accordance with U.S.

GAAP and also net of extraordinary and non-cash items. The company generated gross charter hire of approximately $158 million in the second quarter with more than 90% of the revenue coming from our fixed charter rate backlog, which currently stands at $3.4 billion, providing us the strong visibility on the cash flow going forward. The liner fleet generated gross charter hire of approximately $80 million, and of this amount, approximately 97% was derived from our vessels on long-term charters. At the end of the quarter, SFL's liner fleet backlog was approximately $1.8 billion, with an average remaining charter term of approximately five years or approximately eight years if weighted by charter revenue.

Approximately 84% of the liner backlog is the world's largest liner -- liner operators, Maersk Line, and MSC. And during the quarter, SFL extended the charters for seven 4,100 TEU container vessels with MSC until the third quarter of 2025. The extension added approximately $38 million to SFL's fixed charter rate backlog. Our tanker fleet generated approximately $27 million in gross charter hire, including $4.5 million in profit-split contribution from our two VLCCs on charter to Frontline.

The two VLCCs earned approximately $72,000 on average per trading day in the second quarter. And during the quarter, the vessel commenced new time charters on which the vessels will trade until the fourth quarter at similar rates, ensuring the stability on quarterly profits with contribution also for the next two quarters. As for Suezmax tankers, revenue was down for the quarter as one of the vessels underwent special survey, scrubber retrofit installations during the quarter. Furthermore, the company acquired the 2020-built scrubber-fitted VLCC Landbridge Wisdom in combination with a seven-year bareboat charter to the Landbridge Group.

The vessel was delivered in May and has been subchartered for three years in oil major on a time-charter basis. The acquisition cost of $65 million was financed by $50 million non-recourse debt facility and the transaction will have full earnings effect in the third quarter. And today, on August 18th, 2020, the company redelivered two VLCCs to the Hunter Group after declaration of purchase options. The transaction increases SFL's cash balance by approximately $23 million.

During the second quarter, our dry bulk fleet generated approximately $26 million. Of this amount, approximately 84% was derived from our vessels on long-term charters and approximately 16% was derived from vessels on short-term charters. There was no profit-split contribution from our Capesize vessels on charter to Golden Ocean during the quarter as the COVID-19 pandemic negatively impacted dry bulk demand by creating logis -- logistical issues, including port closures and quarantine restrictions. The soft travel market also impacted the revenue on our 10 vessels trading in the short-term market.

At the end of the second quarter, SFL owned three drilling rigs. All of our drilling rigs are long-term bareboat charters to fully guarantee the affiliates is very limited and generated approximately $25 million in charter hire. The harsh environment jack-up rig, West Linus is subchartered to ConocoPhillips until the end of 2028. While the harsh environment semisubmersible rig, West Hercules, is employed on consecutive shorter-term subcontracts to Equinor in the North Sea.

The semisubmersible rig, West Taurus, is currently in layup in Norway. This summarizes to an adjusted EBITDA of approximately $121 million for the second quarter or $1.11 per share, which is in line with the previous quarter. We then move on to the profit and loss statement as reported on the U.S. GAAP.

As we have described in previous earnings calls, our accounting statements are different from those of a traditional shipping company. As our business strategy focuses on long-term charter contracts, a large part of our activities are classified as capital leasing. As a result, a significant portion of our charter revenues are excluded from U.S. GAAP operating revenues and instead booked as revenues classified as repayment of investment in finance leases and vessel loans, results in associates and long-term investments and interest income from associates.

For the second quarter, we report total operating revenues, according to U.S. GAAP of approximately $118.5 million, which is a smaller number than the $158 million of charter hire actually received for reasons just mentioned. Furthermore, the company recorded non-recurring and/or non-cash items, including negative mark-to-market effects related to interest hedging, currency swaps and equity investments of $7.3 million, prepayment of interest under swaps of $4.5 million, amortization of deferred charges of $2.6 million, and credit loss provisions of $1.4 million. Adjusted for these items, the company's net income would have been $27.8 million [Audio gap] per share.

So overall and according to U.S. GAAP, the company reported a net profit of $11.8 million or $0.11 per share. Moving on to the balance sheet. In terms of liquidity, the company continues to have a solid cas -- cash position with approximately $152 million in cash and cash equivalents, excluding approximately $50 million held in fully owned non-consolidated subsidiaries.

In addition, the company also had $8 million in restricted cash related to equity securities. At quarter end, the company had marketable securities of approximately $19 million net and adjusted for purchase obligations on securities. This includes 1.4 million shares in Frontline Limited and financial investments in secured bonds and other securities. During the second quarter, SFL sold approximately 2 million shares in Frontline, explaining a drop in the book value of marketable securities on the previous quarter.

And approximately $300 million of short-term debt, approximately $200 million is related to senior bank financing on vessels for SFL as secured charter extensions until 2024 and 2025 at attractive terms. This includes three 8,700 TEU container vessels on charter to Maersk and seven 4,100 TEU vessels on charter to MSC. The balance of approximately $100 million is related to ordinary scheduled loan amortization and a $16 million purchase obligation on the Frontline shares. At quarter end, SFL had five debt-free vessels with a combined charter fair value of approximately $30 million based on average broker appraisals.

So based on Q2 2020 figures, the company had a book equity ratio of approximately 25%. Then to summarize, the board has declared a cash dividend of $0.25 for the quarter, which represents a dividend yield of approximately 10.5% based on the closing share price yesterday. This is the 66th consecutive quarterly dividend, and since inception of the company in 2004, more than $27 per share or $2.3 billion in aggregate has been returned to shareholders through dividends. And while we continue to collect revenue from a $3.4 billion fixed charge rate backlog, we also have upside from profit-split arrangements from our VLCCs in addition to profit-split arrangements related to fuel savings on some of our large container vessels.

Despite a relatively volatile market in 2020, we have already added approximately $230 million per fixed charter rate backlog and we continue to explore new business opportunities. And while risk premiums on energy and shipping investments have increased with the recent volatility in financial markets, SFL has, at the same time, with new fleet financing at all-time low cost of debt and has continued to expand its group of lending banks. SFL's business model has continuously been tested throughout its 16 years of existence and has previously been highly successful in navigating periods of volatility. And with that, I give the word back to the operator, who will open the line for questions.

Questions & Answers:


Operator

[Operator instructions] Your first question today is from the line of Greg Lewis from BTIG. Please go ahead.

Ole Hjertaker -- Director and Chief Executive Officer

Hi, Greg.

Greg Lewis -- BTIG -- Analyst

Hey, good afternoon, everybody. Ole, I'm kind of curious, you kind of touched on it at the end of the prepared comments about the challenges that that capital are having in your traditional investment -- in your traditional investment wheelhouse. Just kind of two questions around that. One is could that trigger you to start looking outside of your traditional wheelhouse of conventional shipping? And I guess, first -- that that would be my first question.

Ole Hjertaker -- Director and Chief Executive Officer

Thanks. You're absolutely correct. I mean, what we -- it's important to understand that SFL, we are not tied to one specific segment. We have been focusing on the maritime space for a number of years because this is where we have seen more, I would say, deal flow and also where we see more deal flow and perhaps we also think maybe seeing deals before others see them, partly due to our affiliation with Mr.

Fredriksen and what we say, the deal flow that then, you can say, trickles down to us if there are long-term employment opportunities around that. So -- so that's been a nice, steady, call it, way for us to generate business simply by being in the midst of an information flow, if you wish. But we are not tied to the maritime space. We can -- we can move into other infrastructure.

I think the principal focus for us is to have -- have a structure, have a deal flow to ensure that we can pay a predictable long-term dividend to our shareholders with the right type of risk profile. We have so far not really ventured far away from the maritime space. I would say, maybe one of the reasons could be that if you go into a new space where we don't have, call it, a leverage on information, i.e. we don't see the deals before others do, the risk is that we end up paying too much or we take a deal after someone else has passed on it or we accept a too low return to get in.

But you know, again, it's all down to finding the right deals and -- and we could do them also outside the normal shipping space.

Greg Lewis -- BTIG -- Analyst

OK. Great. And then just kind of asking that question a different way, just given the -- you know, not the exodus, but the lack of capital interested in the maritime space. It seems like that would seem develop over the last 12 to 18 months.

I mean, has that has -- you know, realizing you haven't done a lot of transactions and the ongoing pandemic might have something to do with it, but have you started to notice any -- any increases in the potential returns of transactions you're looking at? Or is it kind of, are we in an environment where there's less capital, but there's still enough capital that's kind of keeping returns in that -- in kind of a flattish world?

Aksel Olesen -- Chief Financial Officer

Yes. It's a good point and observation. I think the way we see it is that capital in shipping is priced more correctly, and there's also, call it, the traditional lenders are retracting from the market. So basically, there's less capital available and there's in general, an upside to quality.

For SFL's part, we again, [Inaudible] access to an even larger pool of banks, we have access to capital at a lower cost of more -- lower cost of capital. We're able to find transactions where we can take advantage of the capital cost arbitrage at the trick -- at the track of risk reward metrics. A good example of that is the recent Landbridge transaction where we acquired a brand-new scrubber-fitted VLCC at $65 million on a variable basis. And the client, Landbridge Group, has a [Inaudible] charter with [Inaudible] shipping on a time charter-basis attached to it.

And we believe that's a very attractive risk reward in terms of the capital we're able to deploy and the return we're able to achieve, and I think that's a trend that will continue going forward.

Greg Lewis -- BTIG -- Analyst

OK. Thank you very much.

Ole Hjertaker -- Director and Chief Executive Officer

Thank you.

Operator

The next question is from the line of Randy Giveans from Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Randy Giveans -- Jefferies -- Analyst

Hi, gentlemen. How's it going?

Ole Hjertaker -- Director and Chief Executive Officer

Hi, good to -- good to speak to you.

Randy Giveans -- Jefferies -- Analyst

You as well. All right. I guess, first, just looking at the balance sheet. Obviously, it's in great shape, plenty of cash, substantial, free cash already booked for the subsequent quarters.

So I guess with that, two questions on it. Can you provide some more details on the rationale for issuing the 13 million-or-so of shares to the ATM? And secondly, are there certain kind of leverage ratios you're looking to get to in the near term? Or how do you kind of view your balance sheet at these levels?

Ole Hjertaker -- Director and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah. I think, you know, first of all, we've issued relatively few shares compared to our share count. It's -- it's really quite marginal and yeah -- and a part of that was linked to a dividend reinvestment plan. So -- so -- but you know, yeah, they are issued.

For us, the important thing is really how can we make sure that we -- or invest the capital in an accretive manner per share? So for instance, when we did this VLCC deal, we have a -- we have a return on our invested equity there, which is way higher than the yield, call it, specifically linked to -- linked to those shares we issued. So the way we -- the way we look at it, we look at transactions and then we fund deals down at the asset level. And then, we source -- we have capital, either we source it from the bond market, we source it from the convertible market, or the equity market and then, we can use that as effective equity into the deals. So this is -- there is nothing in particular relating to that.

It's really for us to ensure that we have an ongoing business that we can continue to invest here in the long run. You know, we will -- we will tap, call it, various markets with the aim to create value per share.

Randy Giveans -- Jefferies -- Analyst

Got it. OK. And then, I guess, next question. You know, in the presentation here, you took out the slide on kind of the offshore market and the drilling rigs.

So I guess around that, what is the kind of status of those? It seems like that really is accounting for most of the risk and uncertainty around SFL, around the dividend, what have you. So for those Seadrill conversations, is there a timeline maybe around these talks? And is the most likely scenario possible charter reduction and extension? Or what are your thoughts on that?

Ole Hjertaker -- Director and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, the reason why we didn't put it in this quarter is that simply that there hasn't really been any change since last quarter. Pretty -- things are pretty much as they were then. The only difference is that we've had another three months of cash flow and pay down debt associated to those assets and we guarantee around 50% of the outstanding loans relating to sort of the Seadrill, call it, assets. I can unfortunately not really comment much on the Seadrill, call it, situation apart from, you know, that we are -- we think it's sort of positive to have a stronger counterparty.

And we think it does make sense in the current environment to sort of -- to trim balance sheet to activity levels. What we are, of course, happy to see is that in an otherwise challenging offshore market, two of our rigs are working. One is on a very long-term charter to ConocoPhillips. So -- so at least there are -- we have two of the relative few warm rigs and active rigs in the harsh environment space today, but I cannot guide you on timeline for -- for Seadrill.

I'm sure they will comment on that when they report, I believe, in a week or so.

Randy Giveans -- Jefferies -- Analyst

Right. All right. Well, then, I guess, last quick question for the tanker market. You know, you returned two of the Hunter vessels.

I'm assuming the third soon. You brought in one on the 2020 side. Is that more of a strategic play of just making sure you have that tanker presence? Or again, was it just a sector-agnostic kind of capital arbitrage play? Or are you really looking to grow the tanker -- tanker exposure here?

Ole Hjertaker -- Director and Chief Executive Officer

The last deal was a pure capital -- cost of capital arbitrage. So it was just an opportunity where we could get in, get a very attractive risk profile, we think, we could source efficient financing around that to generate a nice return on the capital we invest. But of course, we know the tanker space very well and we don't mind investing in the tanker space with -- for the right structure. What we have not seen though is a lot of long-term chartering opportunities to end users.

So -- so that's something we, of course, have been exploring. We've looked at many opportunities as you can imagine, but we cannot really comment on what we haven't done specifically. But we are active out there, I think people know that we can do -- and we hear we can both deliver everything from -- like the last deal, the cost of capital arbitrage to deliver a full-service time-charter product like we had with Phillips 66, where we have LR2 product tankers on seven-year time charters.

Randy Giveans -- Jefferies -- Analyst

Sure, clear. Great. All right. That's it for me.

Thanks again. Hope all is well.

Ole Hjertaker -- Director and Chief Executive Officer

Thanks a lot.

Operator

The next question is from the line of Liam Burke from B. Riley. Please go ahead.

Liam Burke -- B. Riley FBR -- Analyst

Yes. Thank you and good afternoon.

Ole Hjertaker -- Director and Chief Executive Officer

Good afternoon.

Liam Burke -- B. Riley FBR -- Analyst

You mentioned for obvious reasons, how COVID has disrupted the market. But looking specifically in the container space, rates and capacity is tightening, rates are coming up, things look to be a little firmer. How does that translate when you're looking at deal flow here? Are things getting clearer? Or do you see any more -- or do you have any more confidence at looking at deals?

Ole Hjertaker -- Director and Chief Executive Officer

Yes. Thanks. You know, it's actually an interesting observation, what we have seen recently. To me, what -- the way I look at it is that because the liner operators have a relative recent experience from the financial crisis in 2008, 2009, and the effect of that, I think they've taken a very different approach to, call it, the markets disruption this time.

Back then, my impression was that they were -- the focus was on utilization of the assets. It was also more fragmented business in the first place, but their focus was on utilization. So the operators started cutting rate to ensure that they were filling the vessels. The effect of that was that the demand side, that dropped inevitably.

So the effect was that, one, you had lower volume and you have lower revenues as well because of your cost-cutting -- or sorry, your charter-rate cutting measures. This time around, what the liner companies have done instead is that they've been holding back volume, i.e. they've been blanking sailings, and by doing that, there have been tremendous cost savings in the operations. Also, the fuel cost has been really positive for the liner operators because that's really dropped a lot since pre-COVID-19.

So to that -- so if you then adjust for, call it, the other negative effect, it's actually a positive. And for instance, the one, the alliance, you know, the group, they swung back with a massive improvement in profits in the first quarter as a result of this. And we have also seen, as I'm sure you also follow closely, you know, they have Asia, U.S. East Coast, they're pricing at record-high levels.

So what we're seeing now is that the liner companies as they see that the revenues hold up, they seem to be filling in with more volume to sort of to take off -- to sort of -- to make sure that there is sufficient capacity for the market. This, of course, for us, is very positive. It demonstrates that our customers are taking the steps to protect their business and to -- and shows resilience to market disruptive, call it, effects like this that nobody could anticipate just a few months ago. So yes, it sort of helps our decision making, of course, also in putting more money also into the liner space.

Liam Burke -- B. Riley FBR -- Analyst

Great. And I know this is a small part of your business and talking on the bulker side. You do have a larger-than-average percentage in the spot market. Can you generate acceptable returns in the spot market in the bulker space? And I know it's not conducive to the longer-term charters the way you would possibly see with a VLCC or in the entire container space, but how do you address the spot market on the bulker side?

Ole Hjertaker -- Director and Chief Executive Officer

It's -- of course, it's a very good question. What is a reasonable rate in that space. All the bulker vessels that we have, where -- the one that were ordered, of course, at one stage, they have all been on longer-term charters, and some of them have come off charter and been redelivered after the charter period. What we then typically do is that we don't necessarily recharter them.

If we feel that we are really low in the market, we would -- we would prefer to trade the vessels and then hope to fix them in for longer-term as the market recovers, instead of just taking whatever the market may offer at -- at the time. So yes, we have in terms of number of vessels, relatively a few vessels there. But in terms of magnitude, it's really small. So for now, we've been sort of trading them in the market.

The market was soft, in particular, now in the second quarter. We do see from the smaller bulkers that the market is improving and based on market observations like Clarksons, where they indicated Handysizes now are up at around $9,000 per day level. You know, at that level, that's not bad. That you can live with.

But of course, if you're down to $2,000 to $3,000 per day that we have seen at some few points, that is uh -- that's not really good business. So the question is also in this sort of segment, can we find new longer-term employment or what should we do with the assets? So that's, of course, something we discuss every day.

Liam Burke -- B. Riley FBR -- Analyst

Great. Thank you very much.

Ole Hjertaker -- Director and Chief Executive Officer

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Chris Wetherbee from Citi. Please go ahead.

Unknown speaker

This is James on for Chris. Wanted to follow up on that prior question around containers. You highlighted the fact that the improvement in profitability is driven from sort of supply discipline. I wanted to actually make sure that you also were seeing some sort of strength in deal flow in containers despite that.

And as sort of a secondary question to that one, does that mean that we might see a particular focus in those capital that you deployed back on containers, similar to the way it was prior to COVID-19?

Ole Hjertaker -- Director and Chief Executive Officer

I don't think we will -- yeah, I think, generally, we are looking at all sectors and all segment here, call it, in parallel. Of course, we had going into the sort of the COVID-19, call it, disruption, we had many container ships in our fleet. So we paid, of course, extra attention to that space and how our customers or end users, call it, are adapting to that challenging situation. So that gives us more comfort when we see that they seem to, at least, so far, have managed quite well.

And certainly, much, much better than I think most people anticipated some months ago when this was at its high. It's not over yet. I mean the -- we still have to expect more uncertainty surrounding it also going forward. But from our side, it does help to see, call it, disciplined end users here, the line of companies who make -- who sort of make sure that their business remains robust and are able to react as quickly and as swiftly as they have in this situation.

We, on our side, we've seen some transactions in this space. I would say that there haven't been a lot of -- I think that the new building orders have slowed down. I think, generally, I think the new building order book is quite low in most sectors. We also see that on the tanker side and the dry bulk space.

And I would say, that again, is helping, call it, market dynamics because if there is not too much, call it, supply of assets or vessels out there, it does -- could -- it could indicate that you could be able to generate better effectively earnings on your assets over time. So we will come back. We will put discipline also on the ordering side as we see -- as on the financing side. And hopefully, that could prove to be -- create good returns for all who are active in the market.

Unknown speaker

Got it. And then, obviously, during -- with the current backdrop you're monitoring credit risk. Within your portfolio, you have commented that seemingly on the liner side, it's relatively stable. Are you seeing any pockets of credit risk outside of offshore, either in bulk or tankers that you think is worthy of calling out? Or are you mostly comfortable with what you're seeing?

Ole Hjertaker -- Director and Chief Executive Officer

I would say, if you look at where we are active, I would say, of course, offshore is challenged, as I -- as I commented on earlier. Offset, there's -- it was -- there's been a massive disruption in really in oil, both exploration and production activity, both onshore and offshore. So that's, of course, been focused on a lot in the media, generally, and the oil price collapse did not help there. If you look at our other subsectors, we have two car carriers that are idle right now.

One came off charter in mid-May and the second came off a charter just two weeks ago or so. Generally, we are -- you know, what we are seeing is more activity on the chartering side in that segment as well. We've seen idle fleet drop from more than 250 vessels some weeks ago to roughly half of that. That doesn't mean that the market is in good balance yet, but it means that there is a significant change in dynamics there, where at least, call it, the market balance or the market activity is going in the right direction.

We only have two of these, so it doesn't have a big impact on our business. But of course, we would be happy to see them back trading, earning a good return on capital.

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Good. Thank you.

Ole Hjertaker -- Director and Chief Executive Officer

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. [Operator instructions] We appear to have no further questions at this time. So I'll hand back to the speakers.

Ole Hjertaker -- Director and Chief Executive Officer

Thank you. Then, I would like to thank everyone for participating in our second-quarter conference call. And also thank the SFL team both on board the vessels and onshore for their efforts in a very challenging time and commitment to continue building our business. If you have any follow-up questions, there are contact details in the press release or you can get in touch with us through the contact pages on our web page, www.sflcorp.com.

Thank you.

Operator

[Operator signoff]

Duration: 46 minutes

Call participants:

Ole Hjertaker -- Director and Chief Executive Officer

Aksel Olesen -- Chief Financial Officer

Greg Lewis -- BTIG -- Analyst

Randy Giveans -- Jefferies -- Analyst

Liam Burke -- B. Riley FBR -- Analyst

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