Please ensure Javascript is enabled for purposes of website accessibility

PGT Innovations, Inc. (PGTI) Q4 2020 Earnings Call Transcript

By Motley Fool Transcribers - Mar 3, 2021 at 10:48AM

You’re reading a free article with opinions that may differ from The Motley Fool’s Premium Investing Services. Become a Motley Fool member today to get instant access to our top analyst recommendations, in-depth research, investing resources, and more. Learn More

PGTI earnings call for the period ending January 2, 2021.

Logo of jester cap with thought bubble.

Image source: The Motley Fool.

PGT Innovations, Inc. (PGTI 1.99%)
Q4 2020 Earnings Call
Feb 24, 2021, 10:30 a.m. ET

Contents:

  • Prepared Remarks
  • Questions and Answers
  • Call Participants

Prepared Remarks:

Operator

Good morning, and welcome to PGT Innovations' Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2020 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions]

Please note, today's event is being recorded. I'd now like to turn the conference over to PGT Innovations' Interim Chief Financial Officer, Brad West. Please go ahead, sir.

Brad West -- Senior Vice President and Interim Chief Financial Officer

Thank you, and good morning, and welcome to PGT Innovations fourth quarter and year-end 2020 investor conference call. On the Investor section of the company's website, you will find the earnings press release with our fourth quarter and full year 2020 results, as well as the slide presentation we have posted to accompany today's discussion. This webcast is being recorded and will be available for replay on the company's website.

Before we begin our prepared remarks, please direct your attention to the disclosure statement on Slide 2 of the presentation as well as the disclaimers included in the earnings press release and our SEC filings related to forward-looking statements. Today's remarks contain forward-looking statements, including statements about our 2021 financial performance outlook and the possible impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on our business going forward. Those statements involve risks, uncertainties and other factors that could cause actual results to differ materially. Additionally, on Slide 3, you should also note that we report results using non-GAAP financial measures, which we believe provide additional information for investors to help facilitate comparison of prior and present performance.

A reconciliation to the most directly comparable GAAP measures is included in the tables attached to the earnings release and in the appendix of the slide presentation. I'm joined on this morning's call by Jeff Jackson, PGT Innovations' CEO and President. After our prepared remarks, we will take your questions and I will now hand the call over to Jeff for opening remarks.

Jeff Jackson -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Thank you, Brad, and good morning everyone and thank you for joining us on today's call. I'm very proud of what our team at PGT Innovations accomplished in 2020, despite unprecedented challenges caused by the COVID-19 pandemic. Our solid fourth quarter results topped off an extraordinary year for 2020. We grew both organically taking market share and by key acquisitions. We ended our year with a record sales number of $883 million and adjusted EBITDA of $150 million, driving our net leverage to 2.1. We accomplished all of this while keeping the safety of our over 3,000 team members at the forefront of our actions. I'm humbled by their dedication to continue to deliver quality products and service to our dealer partners.

Turning to Slide 4, I will begin with key highlights for the quarter. We achieved strong sales growth illustrating the strength of demand in the markets we currently serve and our ability to service that demand. We continued our history of innovation in product designs and investing in advertising and marketing initiatives. We did all of this while maintaining our focus on protecting the health and safety of our employees and their families, our customers and our communities.

Last month, we completed the purchase of a 75% ownership stake in ECO Enterprises, which will help us achieve our strategic objectives, as we look forward to continued profitable growth. We financed this transaction at an attractive rate of capital while well within our targeted leverage ratios.

We achieved solid fourth quarter and full year results despite the impact of the pandemic, a strong demand for our products continued through year-end and into 2021. In the fourth quarter, sales improved 27% versus the fourth quarter of last year, driven by strong demand in our Southeast business unit and sales contribution from NewSouth, which we acquired in February 2020.

Overall legacy organic growth, excluding NewSouth was 11%, reflecting continued strength for our products in the Florida markets and other Southeastern coastal states. We are well positioned for continued growth as we most recently announced an exclusive agreement with The Villages in North Florida. The Villages is the largest real estate development in the US and has over 125,000 homes. This deal is expected to increase our market share in North Central Florida, as they are currently adding over 3,000 homes a year. There are several factors that drove the demand in 2020 and we have seen these trends continue into 2021. We are seeing strong order entry growth, which has driven backlog to a record high of $200 million as at the end of 2020.

We are optimistic this growth in order entry will continue throughout 2021 as the COVID vaccine is rolled out and the market is fully reopened for business. As most folks now spend considerably more time at home and many have more disposable incomes because they are spending less on travel, leisure, dining out and other costs, COVID has driven higher investment in home upgrades. We expect the trend of working from home and the shift in disposable income trends will continue for much of 2021.

Additionally, we'll continue to see the benefit from the US population shift, from colder high tax climates to more favorable regions in our footprint, including Florida, Arizona and Texas. While we did not have a direct hit on our core Florida market, we believe we also benefited from a record hurricane season. This past season witnessed increase in media coverage, which increased consumer awareness of the need for our impact products.

Our investments in marketing also continue to play a positive impact on our growth. To further increase both awareness and demand, we applied data-driven approach to generate leads and used digital marketing to capture the at-home audience during 2020. We also leveraged partnerships with the leaders in the building material space across our broad network of dealers. We can attribute growing demand for our products to our portfolio well known and trusted brands, which meet in-customer needs. The sales contribution from NewSouth was $28 million in the fourth quarter of 2020, driven by strong growth in the direct-to-consumer Florida residential market.

As a reminder, we acquired NewSouth in February 1, 2020. Integration of NewSouth into our operations has resulted in a record level of production capacity and we expect continued future growth from NewSouth existing retail locations and additional store expansion outside of Florida in 2021. We opened three new showrooms in 2020 and expect to open three additional showrooms this year. Since acquiring NewSouth, we've been further developing our presence in the direct-to-consumer channel in Florida and in other coastal states. We have also been growing and developing our internal creative teams to further enhance our ability to drive product and brand awareness through a mix of traditional advertising and digital channels.

This continued marketing efforts and additional NewSouth store openings in 2021 will enhance our ability to capture market share. We drove solid gross profit improvement of 40% driven by leverage from strong sales growth, accretion from NewSouth and ongoing investments in operational efficiencies and improvements in direct labor and distribution at our Western Window Systems facility this year.

Adjusted EBITDA margins for the company increased to 110 basis points. This improvement was the result of excellent operational performance across all our facilities and by leveraging operational efficiencies achieved with increased sales and diligent cost control. Looking ahead into 2021, while we still see margin pressures in our first quarter similar to our fourth quarter, we expect full-year margins to again exceed prior-year comparisons due to continued organic sales growth, opening new markets and plans to exit less profitable lines of business at NewSouth.

Now turning to Slide 5, while 2020 had its share of challenges, we continue to focus on our framework of profitable growth and execute our strategic plan to create long-term value for shareholders, while servicing our customers and communities. Our first pillar is maintaining our focus on customer-centric innovation by bringing products to market that offer the performance and value our customer's desire. We continue to improve upon our innovative market strategies that have enabled us to gain insight into further demand that is now driving our sales in the R&R market as consumers are spending more times in their homes.

Our second pillar of attracting and retaining talent is particularly relevant in the current labor market where the stresses of COVID-19 pandemic and other factors have increased hiring challenges across many industries throughout the US. Our long-term success depends on attracting and retaining dedicated employees with the right skill set and we work hard to maintain a safe workplace and culture where employees know they are appreciated and rewarded.

Our third pillar is investing in the business to grow our manufacturing capabilities, continually improve operations, lower operating cost, maintain high-quality levels, and meet the demand increases over the long term. Over the past several quarters, we have focused on operational improvements at our Western Window Systems facility. This focus puts us in a good position to take advantage of improving demand in the markets we serve by Western as 2021 demand is up 17% for the first seven weeks.

We are also deploying systems and best practices in our newly acquired operations at NewSouth and ECO Enterprises, which leads me to our fourth pillar, allocating free cash flow to support profitable growth, which could come in the form of acquisitions as we recently have done, investing and growing the business or paying down debt, all with the end goal of driving shareholder value and consistent with our past execution.

Turning to Slide 6. I'm excited to say last month, we closed the acquisition of 75% ownership in Florida-based ECO Window Systems and its related companies, which we are calling ECO Enterprises. We are very excited to have the team from ECO join PGT Innovations, as we believe this transaction will accomplish several objectives.

First, the ECO acquisition is expected to allow us to expand and diversify our product portfolio lines in the high-growth commercial market. The long-term secular trends behind the strong growth in Florida's multi-family market are expected to continue and together, we are better able to expand our presence in that market.

Second, ECO produces all its value added glass in-house and add significant production capacity. Sourcing glass is an ongoing challenge in our industry and by vertically integrating more of our glass supply, we expect to lower our material cost, incrementally improve our production capacity and over the long term, enhance visibility into and control of the supply chain.

Third, ECO extends our residential footprint in Southern Florida with a highly incremental dealer network that our legacy business generally has not served and we believe ECO's aluminum impact-resistant product line is very complementary to our existing product portfolio. So in summary, ECO is a very good strategic fit for us and we expect the acquisition to be accretive in 2021.

Let's discuss backlog. Excluding NewSouth, our total backlog increased by 131% versus the prior year, driven primarily by strong order entry in our Southeast business unit, production capacity impacts from social distancing and other measures implemented to protect the health and safety of our employees and glass and other supply chain disruptions related to the COVID-19 pandemic.

Backlog has been impacted by some extension of our lead times as our operations teams worked to meet rising demand. To ramp up production capacity of our Florida-based operations to meet the robust demand and to address the growing backlog, we recently implemented a seven-day schedule to continue to ramp production capacity. But to be clear, we will continue to do everything in our power to promote our employees' health and safety as our top priority.

We expect to incrementally increase production into 2021 and address the strong organic sales growth we anticipate in Florida and return the current robust backlog to normal levels later this year. Looking forward, we expect the momentum to continue. We believe 2021 will continue a strong new construction market and a robust repair and remodeling market. We have already begun to see sequential improvements in sales in our Western Windows Systems core markets, including California and our pipeline into our Southeastern markets continues to grow.

We expect continued benefits from our operational improvements, including our efforts to reduce shipping expenses, increase capacities and expand into more vertical integration within our supply chain that we are currently implementing. To wrap up, while 2021 was certainly a challenging year. It also highlighted our company's earnings power and the strength of our core markets. Throughout these uncertain times, our employees have shown a consistent determination to support our customers, communities and each other, which help make our 2020 results possible.

In closing, I would like to thank our employees for their extraordinary efforts. We look forward to delivering growth in servicing our customers in the years ahead.

Now with that, I'll turn the call back over to Brad to review the results in greater detail. Brad?

Brad West -- Senior Vice President and Interim Chief Financial Officer

Thank you, Jeff. Turning to Slide 7. For the quarter, we reported net sales of $222 million. To break this down further, sales rose 16% versus the prior year quarter in our legacy Southeast business unit, primarily consisting of Florida. In our Western business unit, sales decreased 11% versus the prior year due to pandemic-related market softness in California and the sales lift from several large commercial projects in the fourth quarter 2019.

However, exiting in this quarter, we saw a year-over-year growth in Western's orders and we have seen that growth trend continue into 2021. Looking at fourth quarter sales by channel in Repair & Remodel, we saw sales growth of 14% year-over-year excluding NewSouth and we expect continued sales growth in the R&R channel in the first half of 2021.

In the New Construction channel, organic sales for the fourth quarter were 7% higher than the prior-year period. This was largely driven by legacy Florida sales where Q4 sales were up 16% as compared to the year ago period due in part to our improved sales and marketing strategy. Selling, general and administrative expenses for the fourth quarter increased by roughly $16 million compared to the prior-year quarter, primarily reflecting the addition of NewSouth's SG&A following its acquisition on February 1, 2020. Excluding NewSouth, SG&A improved by 10-basis points versus the prior year, as leverage from sales growth more than offset incremental investments in advertising and marketing.

Direct labor as a percent of sales decreased by approximately 30 basis points as we continue to benefit from investments in operational enhancements and efficiencies at Western. We also realized savings from improvements to reporting and dashboarding systems, which boosted efficiencies and labor resources and production line workflows. Additionally, we are on track to achieve projected cost savings at an annualized run rate of approximately $3.5 million as a result of the closure of our Orlando plant and a consolidation of its operations into our Venice and Tampa manufacturing facilities.

Gross profit for the quarter was $79 million, a 40% increase, reflecting increased sales and reduced manufacturing costs. Adjusted EBITDA for the quarter increased 37% to $33 million compared to an adjusted EBITDA of $24 million for the prior-year quarter. Our effective tax rate for the quarter came in at 20%. We reported adjusted net income of $11 million or $0.18 per diluted share in the fourth quarter 2020 compared to $6 million or $0.10 per diluted share in the fourth quarter of 2019.

We are always striving to better manage costs while balancing our goal at running lean operations with the need to revive a high level of customer service, including reasonable lead times. Our backlog provides a degree of visibility, so we are constantly monitoring order entries in evaluating sales trends. While we are currently working toward expanding production, we expect to maintain this flexibility to manage our cost structure in the event our demand outlook changes.

Turning now to Slide 8, for the full year, we reported sales of $883 million, an 18% increase from full-year 2019. This included $94 million of sales contribution from NewSouth. Organic sales, excluding NewSouth, were up 6% driven by a 9% increase in our legacy Southeast business, which is offset in part by 6% decrease and full-year sales in our Western business. Gross margin for 2020 grew to 36%, primarily as a result of operational efficiencies and leverage across our portfolio from Western Window Systems along with the accretion from NewSouth.

Adjusted EBITDA for the year was $150 million or 17% of sales. Adjusted earnings per diluted share was $0.97 for 2020 compared to $0.82 in the prior year. Additionally, while not included in PGT Innovations results, ECO posted a strong year in 2020 including similar strong sales growth and finishing the year with sales of approximately $85 million.

Turning now to our balance sheet. We ended the year with net debt of $319 million. Our only significant near-term debt maturity is our term loan of $54 million due in late 2022. As of year end, we had a total liquidity of $176 million, including a cash balance of $100 million and $76 million of unused capacity on our revolver. Subsequent to the year end, we issued $16 million of 6.75% senior notes due in 2026. This debt was issued at a premium of 105.5. Our pro forma net debt to trailing 12-month adjusted EBITDA ratio as of the full-year 2020 was approximately 2.5 times.

Next, on Slide 10, we show our historical net debt and leverage ratio to highlight our track record of deleveraging following the completion of acquisitions. As you review, Slide 11, I'd like to discuss PGT Innovations' capital allocation priorities. One important priority is to define internal investment opportunities and projects we expect to drive margin growth by reducing expenses. We also look for opportunities to increase revenues whether that is by product enhancements or higher production. Another important priority is our commitment to maintaining a strong balance sheet and a conservative capital structure by paying down debt after acquisitions. Our goal generally is to maintain a conservative leverage profile within the target range of 2.0 times to 3.0 times net debt to EBITDA absent any large acquisitions.

Finally, we use capital for strategic acquisitions that are expected to be accretive, generate strong returns or allow us to expand into new regions, channels or products. We believe that our recent NewSouth and ECO Acquisitions met these criteria and we will continue to evaluate other possible acquisition opportunities as part of our strategic plan.

Moving on to Slide 12, for full-year 2021 guidance, we expect net sales in the range of $1 billion to $1.075 billion and adjusted EBITDA of $175 million to $194 million. This guidance includes a full year of the contributions of NewSouth and a partial year period estimate for ECO, which closed on February 1. For your reference, we have included additional modeling assumptions on the left hand column of Slide 12 that are embedded in our 2021 guidance estimates and they can assist you with your calculation of our estimated results.

Let me also update you on our aluminum coverage program. As of today, we have contracted approximately 65% of our estimated aluminum needs for 2021. Our current coverage inclusive of Midwest Premium is $0.94 per pound whereas current market pricing is near a $1.14. We have seen a steady rise in aluminum prices following a period of depressed pricing that was due, in part, to the COVID pandemic. Our coverage program helps to mitigate these aluminum cost pressures. Otherwise, we are not currently seeing any meaningful inflationary pressure on material costs.

I'll conclude with a summary of why I'm excited about the future of PGT Innovations and how we believe we can create long-term value for our shareholders. We are national leader in growing categories with strong brands, which have been further bolstered by our recent acquisitions. We have a history of delivering innovative products and we intend to maintain our industry leadership through R&D making the right acquisitions and hiring and retaining the best talent.

We have significantly improved our operational efficiencies with the continuous improvement mindset that can help us drive long-term margin expansion. We are striving to execute a comprehensive strategy to create long-term value for our shareholders and customers. And finally, we believe our outstanding product portfolio will help us continue growing profitably. At this time, let us begin the Q&A session.

Questions and Answers:

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Today's first question comes from Phil Ng with Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Maggie Grady -- Jefferies -- Analyst

Hey guys, good morning. This is Maggie on for Phil.

Jeff Jackson -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Hey Maggie. Good morning.

Maggie Grady -- Jefferies -- Analyst

Yeah, I just wanted to start on the full year guide. I guess starting out ECO and a month or so of NewSouth and getting to kind of that mid high single digit organic growth, can you talk about the different assumptions baked in there between the segments and maybe the end markets?

Jeff Jackson -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Sure, yeah and that math makes sense. Really, if you look at Western which is experiencing strong organic growth, as I'd mentioned in my comment, year-to-date up 17% so far and also PGT, we're definitely up period our local Venice facility in our Florida-based brands, our backlog actually has increased to $215 million as of today.

So we are experiencing strong organic growth. Now that mix is probably more slated to the R&R, I mean, into the new construction market which can have some margin impact to a certain degree. But if you look across our brands, we do see that upper growth that you suggest if you back out the acquisitions and we're pretty comfortable in what we've seen so far.

Maggie Grady -- Jefferies -- Analyst

Okay, and just to clarify, that 17% growth you mentioned in Western, is that order rates or sales?

Brad West -- Senior Vice President and Interim Chief Financial Officer

That's order rate at this point. But like Jeff mentioned, the backlog is strong across to all of our portfolio of brands, NewSouth included. So, our confidence in their growth comes from very strong demand.

Maggie Grady -- Jefferies -- Analyst

Great, great. And then, the past few quarters, you have talked about some of those bottlenecks extending lean time, and that's definitely been a topic of discussion across the industry. But, how are you thinking about the timing of some of those labor and material bottlenecks easing and getting back to more normalized lead time?

Jeff Jackson -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Well, as you look across again our organization, we continue to have that ebb and flow from COVID impact our operational efficiencies. We continue to do what's right on the lines during the social distancing spreading out and that's limited our capacities to a certain degree, but demand -- like Brad said, demand is up strong 30% year-over-year so far this year, and we see that trend continuing. So, COVID has presented challenges here at PGT. It has also presented challenges at our suppliers. Supplier performance in Q4 was similar to that of Q3. I'm hoping that's going to improve in Q1. We've already seen some glass supply improvements in Q1, they have some ways to go, but definitely have made an improvement in their trend.

But many of our critical suppliers continue to cite labor constraints. Surging demand across the industry is the main factor of their slow to delivery or their performance to us, and we've even had some allocate capacities. So, what we're doing to kind of combat that, if you will, if you look at like glass for instance, glass is about 40% of our direct material spend. We brought on ECO and we think the glass capacity we're adding internally via vertical integration is going to help eliminate some of our needs there. And if you look at, say aluminum, which is about call it 30% of direct materials, we've added some additional extruders. We go on and bought some additional extruders to try to make up any allocation issues or any shortfalls there.

So, we're looking across our supply chain to add on more and more support to it and obviously, we look in and as we demonstrated at vertical integration to try to shore up some of our other needs in that supply chain itself. So we feel that will have benefit definitely as we move into 2021.

Brad West -- Senior Vice President and Interim Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, and I would add that generally speaking, we're making a lot of adjustments as we try to navigate this COVID situation. But I would also add to the fact that just generally speaking, we feel that demand is increasing for our products in Florida for impact-resistant products. So, a lot of these things are just general long-term increases and capacities to support what we think will be continued growth, including adding some vinyl manufacturing capacity because vinyl growth has been very, very strong for us. So these are all things that we're doing to be able to keep up with the demand.

Maggie Grady -- Jefferies -- Analyst

Got it. Thanks guys, and congrats on a good quarter.

Jeff Jackson -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Thank you.

Operator

Our next question today comes from George Wilson with Raymond James, please go ahead.

George Wilson -- Raymond James -- Analyst

Good morning, Jeff and Brad. Thanks for taking my questions.

Jeff Jackson -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Good morning.

Brad West -- Senior Vice President and Interim Chief Financial Officer

Good morning.

George Wilson -- Raymond James -- Analyst

First, on the topic of the backlog, could you give us a sense of where your lead time stand today versus last quarter and versus what you would call normal?

Jeff Jackson -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Yes, that's going to change based off location. Western is normal lead times. They're two weeks for their corporate builder program and their custom is anywhere from six to 10 depending on the product orders. So Western is actually from operational standpoint in line. It's really the lead times have been extended here in the Venice location and mainly just because this year demand we onboarded a lot of new corporate builders and as I've mentioned, we signed up The Villages, which is a significant win for us. And so as a result, Brad alluded to earlier, we're currently adding vinyl capacity.

We've got equipment on order. There has been some extended lead times on that equipment quite frankly as the industry in general experiencing that. But we do have plans in place to increase capacity, especially on our vinyl lines. But we're really going to move our onsite warehouse for those who have been here at PGT. We store all our finished goods here in the center of the manufacturing facility.

We're going to turn that into production space and you will see that change happen over the next, I'd say, call it two quarters as we extend our warehousing. We'll have a warehouse on the East Coast by April and we'll start shipping finished goods directly from the line into that warehouse and we'll take that warehouse space and we're going to start adding capacity.

So those are the some of the things we're doing to improve those lead times. But lead times here in Venice, I would say, again, depending on what bucket in your hand and we have corporate builders, we have the R&R buckets in different categories, even among those buckets. But in general, our lead times are anywhere from seven to 10 weeks for the corporate builder and the R&R side can be 15 up to 20 depending on what you're looking at in location and product.

So we are, like I said, we're not comfortable with those lead times. Backlog is now $250 million, but we are shipping out more product than we ever have at this facility and we've got actions in place to continue that ramp up as we see demand continuing to stay strong.

George Wilson -- Raymond James -- Analyst

Got it. And there is a variety of cross currents in terms of cost inflation and bringing in the acquisitions, so could you give us a sense of what you're assuming for gross margin year-on-year, as the year progresses, how much of maybe up or down year-on-year in each of the quarters.

Brad West -- Senior Vice President and Interim Chief Financial Officer

Yeah. So, Josh, great point there. We add a price increase at the beginning of the year, roughly to 7% to 9%, but because of the lead times that Jeff just mentioned, most of those price increases will not start at positively affecting our margins until we get to basically the middle of the second quarter into the back half of the year. So we are expecting to see some margin pressure in the first quarter as we navigate these changes.

The year-over-year will probably be down a good amount even potentially 200 bps on gross margin. I think we'll make that up in SG&A, so our EBITDA percent will probably be pretty close to in line on the fourth quarter, but down year-over-year. The rest of the year, we will see gross margin improve as the price increase kicks in and as these changes that Jeff talked about start to kick in the place and that's how we get to the guidance for the full year.

Jeff Jackson -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, I'll just add to that, I'll add to that. We are comfortable in knowing our EBITDA margins are going to improve year-over-year. We've got action plans in place and we can see that coming. What we have is cost that we had offset by the price increase quite frankly and that pricing, like Brad said, starts roughly in June of this year. Wage inflation, wage pressures, we put in a substantial increase in wages during the fourth quarter. We're probably going to even have some more of that in the first quarter of this year as we fight the labor market and try to add tenured talent.

We feel that the operational efficiencies we've achieved in the past was based off a tenured workforce and we've been able to deliver substantial improvements in gross margin in the past. We will get back to that. We've got to get a stabilized workforce for the demand we're seeing and that puts pressure on wages. But we will be able to cover those, like Brad said, in pricing later on in the year.

George Wilson -- Raymond James -- Analyst

Thanks so much. Good luck with the next quarter.

Brad West -- Senior Vice President and Interim Chief Financial Officer

You bet. Thank you.

Jeff Jackson -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Thanks George.

Operator

And our next question today comes from Keith Hughes of Truist. Please go ahead.

Keith Hughes -- Truist -- Analyst

Thank you. I just want to talk about the acquisition that you just closed, but I know they have a commercial initiative. Can you just talk about how big of their business that is and what sort of the plan to get that ramped up?

Jeff Jackson -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah. Keith, the commercial side is not a very big component of ECO at this time. They have a lot of products that are actually approved and developing it currently and then a lot of products that are currently waiting for approval. So the pipeline of potential robust portfolio on the commercial side is there. We signed a couple of large jobs quite frankly over the last several weeks and we do expect good growth in that commercial multi-family commercial segment with ECO.

But of the sales of ECO we bought in 2020, small, very small immaterial piece was commercial, as mostly residential and it's a different dealer network, as we said is a very incremental dealer network to our current one that ECO sells through. And so, the big upside for 2021 [indecipherable] is to launch all these products and start landing some good commercial jobs. I think we're in great shape to do.

Keith Hughes -- Truist -- Analyst

Okay. And your outlook on mix for the year, is it given how strong demand is at this point, are you seeing a shift to it? Let me ask you this way, we've seen at other businesses your shift toward the lower end, sort of housing that's really not your market per se, what is your perspective on mix?

Jeff Jackson -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Well, OK, I'm going to let Brad give you the detail numbers. I'll only give you what's happening. What we're seeing here, especially in Florida, is we're seeing both markets come to a peak. R&R is up 14% for us. New construction is up 16% and the Florida market itself isn't up that much. So we're taking share, which is a great problem or opportunity, I should say, to have. So that mix has been skewed more toward new construction at this point. But as we add capacities to our facility here, as I said earlier, those capacities will be more dedicated to R&R business.

So I think you'll see that mix shift during 2021 back to more R&R, more even between R&R and new construction. But right now, yeah, new construction has been more the dominant growth and more the dominant a mix as we speak.

Brad West -- Senior Vice President and Interim Chief Financial Officer

For the full year of 2020, new construction was 46% and R&R was 54%, so we've seen as high as 60% R&R and periods in the past, we've seen 50-50 when you go back even before the downturn of 2008. But I will say that we've seen very meaningful growth in both sectors. And our opportunity to grow is in both sectors and the acquisition of NewSouth is an R&R play, right, and then our Venice facility and some of our CGI brands have been focused some on the new construction as well.

So I think we're set up well to grow in both categories. So right now, it's hard to predict as we're kind of playing in both markets and doing well on both so, but I do know that right now, new construction has been very strong and growing faster, in the past, maybe R&R was the stronger of the two. Now they're both are just very strong and we got to navigate both those channels and that we're set up to do well.

Keith Hughes -- Truist -- Analyst

Okay, thank you.

Operator

And our next question today comes from Michael Rehaut with JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

Maggie Roth -- JPMorgan -- Analyst

Hi, this is Maggie on for Mike.

Jeff Jackson -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Hey Maggie.

Maggie Roth -- JPMorgan -- Analyst

Hey. First question is on NewSouth. Obviously, you saw continued pretty strong order growth in 4Q. I was wondering if you could give us an idea of how the three new stores that you opened in 2020 are performing versus the existing stores and also as you look to 2021, what is the timing on the three additional stores that you're planning on opening?

Jeff Jackson -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, Maggie, basically when NewSouth opens up a store, I'd say there's probably roughly a year of getting the marketing in place, getting the sales force in place, and really kind of establishing a presence in that space. So, I'll answer the second part of your question first. The timing of the new stores in 2021 are basically probably one in the second quarter, one in the third quarter, one in the fourth, something like that.

I would not expect to see any meaningful increase in the sales for those stores this year just because they'll be in their first year. For the stores that opened last year, we had some good results as we got toward the back half of the year as you would expect. Some of the stores were affected a little bit by, obviously COVID has its impact on any store's ability to open robustly. But our store in Pensacola started seeing some nice demand toward the end of the year. Our store in Charleston, which was the first to open saw some really nice demands at the end of the year, and then Houston was the last door to open up, is starting to see some nice momentum here in the first quarter this year.

So I guess I would argue that the NewSouth growth that we saw in 2020 was obviously mostly from the legacy stores. In the Florida stores, we saw very strong meaningful growth across their original stores and we started seeing some momentum in the new stores in 2020 and I think we'll see even more in 2021 from those stores.

Maggie Roth -- JPMorgan -- Analyst

Okay, thank you. And second, another question on ECO, as you think about its growth, could you talk about the potential to expand ECO through the rest of your Southeastern footprint, maybe outside of just the Southern Florida market where it's stronger right now and the other end markets kind of throughout the rest of your footprint?

Jeff Jackson -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, I mean, we look at ECO in several different ways. One, the commercial side of the business. We've got to develop that more. Obviously, I mentioned the various products that are going to be coming out, some already out, some in the pipeline and we've got to develop relationships in both performed -- install as well. So that whole piece can be leveraged outside of Southern Florida.

We plan on leveraging the commercial side of the business over the entire state. And we're currently actually bidding projects or in the process of bidding projects in Northern Florida, for instance. On the residential side, that's going to probably remain at Southern Florida, South Florida residential window just because that the dealer base is sold through and there's a lot of growth potential within that dealer base in the population that serves. And then on the glass side, I mean that's going to be incredible for us in terms of shoring up supply there on the impact market. And then on the IG insulated glass side as well.

So, we kind of view ECO in three different buckets. Probably to your question, the most leverageable statewide would definitely be the commercial. And we think ultimately, we may even can take the commercial outside of the state of Florida.

Maggie Roth -- JPMorgan -- Analyst

Okay, great. Thank you.

Jeff Jackson -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Thank you.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Today's next question comes from Ken Zener with KeyBanc. Please go ahead.

Ken Zener -- KeyBanc -- Analyst

Good morning, everybody.

Jeff Jackson -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Hey, Ken.

Ken Zener -- KeyBanc -- Analyst

Lot of stuff going on. You know, what strikes me just with ECO glass and like in glass capacity vertical integration, it just brings me back a few years, when your glass was a big part of your strategy in terms of how you communicated around gross margin because of cost inflation, you got the glass cost down, your gross margin would go up. Is this so small I shouldn't worry about it in terms of the ECO glass? Is that the kind of a side comment or is this really between the two large glass suppliers? Is this really what you see as needed given where that high fixed cost business would add supply today?

Jeff Jackson -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Ken, great question. I'd say maybe a little bit of both. If you look at the actual adding of this capacity, it's going to be significant for us, especially on the impacts out of the equation. We were severely strained with impact glass, I don't want to underestimate that for the nine months in 2020. I mean it was, it was tough. And so, to have that ability in-house to do that yourself if needed, it's an incredible asset.

Now, if you recall the reason we sold some of our glass equipment back in 2017, we did that because we needed production capacity, we needed production labor. Okay, we're still, we're not adding glass back here in Venice, it's in Miami and Miami is just a different labor market. So there, we can add production labor, we can add glass labor, it's not as big of an issue. So we view at both geographically strategic as well as long-term benefit to margins.

Ken Zener -- KeyBanc -- Analyst

Fascinating. It's like squeezing a balloon here. Can you maybe talk about, I mean to the extent you feel comfortable, like what type of capacity within the larger perspective this can help you accepting that it really was an interesting dialogue or narrative in the past. So, if I had to jump in back in, given a wider production footprint where there is more labor capacity, I mean it all makes sense, but is this like 70%, 20%, you don't need to give an answer, but I mean give us a sense of the material input cost or capacity?

Jeff Jackson -- President and Chief Executive Officer

It's probably, in terms of added capacity, it's probably a capacity about 50%. We will be able to basically service CGI out of that facility, the majority of CGI, CGIC, our storefront operations, as well as ECO. Now, ECO is growing. We -- quarter the growth rate, yet, next quarter, we're going to give more color around ECO. But I can assure you they are seeing similar trends that we've quoted here for PGT. So ECO is growing. And, this is not what we're in business to do, but they also sell glass to other parties. So that's a piece of it as well. [Speech Overlap]

Ken Zener -- KeyBanc -- Analyst

Great. Extruders, my memory was this also gets and I apologize to kind of go into these bigger pictures amid all the good execution you're doing, but I think it's kind of tactic strategic in the sense that you're a much larger company now. Extruding, you guys when we redid your whole vinyl, you switched over to, I believe, to a solo supplier on that extrusion that you're buying on your now unique profiles. I heard the word extrusion a couple of times.

Could you expand on that? It sounds like when you were saying lines, I wasn't sure, I mean you haven't bought extruders, have you? And what are we seeing in terms of the extrusion profiles? Is there any issue, capacity, pricing issues that you'd like to talk to?

Jeff Jackson -- President and Chief Executive Officer

No, I'll speak in general on that comment. We haven't bought any vertically integrated in the extrusion. There is basically two types, right, aluminum and vinyl, it's where we get our profile. So what we've done because aluminum got squeezed during this whole COVID thing. We've onboarded some more suppliers, it's just as simple as that. We've increased our base of supply options, which is a good thing, OK.

Vinyl, we don't use just one. We've never just used one. Now we do have a majority relationship with a particular vinyl extruder. But Western has a vinyl extruder that they use. NewSouth has one. We have one, we mean the PGT legacy brands has one. So we have multiple options on the vinyl side as well.

Brad West -- Senior Vice President and Interim Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, just to add to that, when I said earlier that we're adding additional vinyl manufacturing capacity, I was referring to capacity to make vinyl windows, it's not extruding.

Ken Zener -- KeyBanc -- Analyst

Yeah, could have been like, interesting. Out West, the initiatives you've taken to get into R&R which is a huge untapped market for you out there, not untapped, but large upside. In '20 you faced great production windows which were at stock, but highly efficient versus more custom. Could you talk about the initiatives that given COVID to grow that business, I know you guys talked about opening some storefront, as well as where we are on the production transformation of a phoenix to handle production windows versus more customized R&R stuff? Thank you very much.

Jeff Jackson -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Well, I'll speak in general about some growth initiatives now, let Brad comment on any kind of turnaround in margins and what not, which has been incredible. In terms of growing the business, we are trying to expand the R&R presence within our Western brand and historically, Western has been a new construction platform, having multiple national contracts with Toll Brothers and the like. We're going to expand on that national contract by adding a full product offering as a means to have the whole house package.

We've also opened up Sky Walls, which is a retail store concept targeted to the R&R market, again targeting to expand R&R market. We opened up our first store in Anaheim. We opened up our second store in San Diego and as California has eased restrictions to come on board again with business, those stores are starting to experience in some good traction. So those are a couple of the initiatives that we have going on from a growth sales standpoint. You want to comment on...

Brad West -- Senior Vice President and Interim Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, so Western really started making some major improvements in their focus and basically on their manufacturing labor and distribution and basically how they got the product to their customers and all that and what we really saw was over the course of the year, they started making quite a bit of large improvements on their gross margin and EBITDA flow and fleet -- in the fourth quarter alone, the Western business was up 400 bps in direct labor and distribution cost compared to where they were fourth quarter of last year.

So the Western team did a fantastic job and has made obviously a pretty material impact on PGTI as well by doing that. So we're excited about what they are able to do going forward and obviously it means they now have the basin which to grow, as they get more demand and things start to recover and return out West, they are in a great position to handle that growth.

Ken Zener -- KeyBanc -- Analyst

Thank you very much, gentlemen.

Jeff Jackson -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, good hearing from you.

Operator

Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. This conclude the question and answer session. I'd like to turn the conference back over to the management team for the final remarks.

Brad West -- Senior Vice President and Interim Chief Financial Officer

Thanks everyone for joining us on our call today and we look forward to talking to you next quarter. Take care.

Operator

[Operator Closing Remarks]

Duration: 52 minutes

Call participants:

Brad West -- Senior Vice President and Interim Chief Financial Officer

Jeff Jackson -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Maggie Grady -- Jefferies -- Analyst

George Wilson -- Raymond James -- Analyst

Keith Hughes -- Truist -- Analyst

Maggie Roth -- JPMorgan -- Analyst

Ken Zener -- KeyBanc -- Analyst

All earnings call transcripts

AlphaStreet Logo

Invest Smarter with The Motley Fool

Join Over 1 Million Premium Members Receiving…

  • New Stock Picks Each Month
  • Detailed Analysis of Companies
  • Model Portfolios
  • Live Streaming During Market Hours
  • And Much More
Get Started Now

Stocks Mentioned

PGT Innovations, Inc. Stock Quote
PGT Innovations, Inc.
PGTI
$19.99 (1.99%) $0.39

*Average returns of all recommendations since inception. Cost basis and return based on previous market day close.

Related Articles

Motley Fool Returns

Motley Fool Stock Advisor

Market-beating stocks from our award-winning service.

Stock Advisor Returns
332%
 
S&P 500 Returns
118%

Calculated by average return of all stock recommendations since inception of the Stock Advisor service in February of 2002. Returns as of 05/26/2022.

Discounted offers are only available to new members. Stock Advisor list price is $199 per year.

Premium Investing Services

Invest better with The Motley Fool. Get stock recommendations, portfolio guidance, and more from The Motley Fool's premium services.