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SONO earnings call for the period ending March 31, 2021.

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Sonos Inc (SONO 0.50%)
Q2 2021 Earnings Call
May 12, 2021, 5:00 p.m. ET


  • Prepared Remarks
  • Questions and Answers
  • Call Participants

Prepared Remarks:


Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by and welcome to the Sonos second-quarter fiscal 2021 earnings conference call.[Operator Instructions] I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Cammeron McLaughlin. Please go ahead.

Cammeron McLaughlin -- Vice President, Investor Relations

Thank you. Good afternoon, and welcome to Sonos second-quarter fiscal 2021 earnings conference call. I am Cammeron McLaughlin. And with me today are Sonos CEO, Patrick Spence; Brittany Bagley, CFO; and Eddie Lazarus, chief legal officer.

For those who joined the call early, today's hold music included highlights from the recently launched artist-curated stations by M.I.A and Ghostface Killah on Sonos Radio HD. Before I hand it over to Patrick, I would like to remind everyone that today's discussion will include forward-looking statements regarding future events and our future financial performance. These statements reflect our views as of today only and should not be considered as representing our views of any subsequent date. These statements are also subject to material risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from expectations reflected in the forward-looking statements.

A discussion of these risk factors is fully detailed under the caption Risk Factors in our filings with the SEC. During this call, we will also refer to certain non-GAAP financial measures. For information regarding our non-GAAP financials and a reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP measures, please refer to today's press release regarding our second-quarter results posted to the Investor Relations portion of our website. As a reminder, the press release, a supplemental earnings presentation, and our conference call transcript will be available on our Investor Relations website at

I will now turn the call over to Patrick.

Patrick Spence -- Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, Cammeron, and hello everyone. We are thrilled to yet again report a record quarter for Sonos. I first want to recognize the fantastic work by our people and our partners during this challenging time. These results are a testament to all of the hard work they've put in every day.

And I am so proud and very grateful. Our second-quarter results exceeded our expectations as we experienced even stronger than expected demand for all of our products, and our team did an incredible job meeting as much demand as they could in the quarter. As a result of our strong second-quarter performance, we are increasing our revenue and adjusted EBITDA outlook for the year. Our strong results are a testament to the fact that we have a unique model that serves customers and enables us to build a sustainably profitable business.

The power of our business model is that customers can start with one product and expand more over time. And our customers have proven that they do just that. We are experiencing tremendous demand for our newest product Roam from new and existing customers alike. Roam is not only our smartest and most versatile speaker, it's also our most affordable.

Roam provides the opportunity for millions of new customers to get started with Sonos and is the right product at the right time, as the weather warms up and we begin to gather again with friends and family. During the pre-order period, Roam far exceeded our expectations with sales reaching over 150% of our pre-order forecast in our DTC channel. Several hundred journalist reviews have been published globally, highlighting the product's incredible sound and ultra-portability with Rolling Stone calling it quote, "the new standard for portable smart speakers". We are confident that we have delivered another fantastic product that customers love and help the Sonos flywheel.

As we look for the remainder of fiscal 2021 and beyond, there are three macro trends that will fuel our continued growth. First, this is the golden age of audio. The sheer volume of music, audiobooks, and podcasts we have access to now is incredible. As more and more people become creators, we believe we will spend even more time with audio and find interesting new audio formats like social audio.

The second trend is that we are seeing more and more video content going direct to home. We've seen a decade of change in the past year with companies like Disney, and HBO bringing the newest movies right into our homes. It's not enough to have a great visual experience. Customers are demanding a theater-like audio experience in the home, and this is something we deliver better than anyone.

And the third trend fueling our growth is the great reshuffling. This is the untethering of people from their communities and offices, which has really enabled people to reevaluate how and where they want to live. Given more and more companies are offering their people, especially kind -- the kind of people who are in our target market, the flexibility to work anywhere, we think this will be a multi-year cultural trend that benefits Sonos significantly. As we look toward our opportunity ahead, we believe that Sonos is just getting started and is barely scratched the surface of our large and growing addressable market.

As of the end of fiscal 2020, we were in 11 million homes or approximately 9% of the 116 million affluent homes we believe are most addressable for us today in our existing markets. We have the tremendous runway to add 10 million, more or more households to the Sonos ecosystem. On the revenue side, based on our upwardly revised fiscal 2021 revenue outlook, Sonos will only account for approximately 9% of the total spend in the $18 billion premium home audio market. And that's an even smaller fraction of the broader $89 billion global audio markets that we expect to expand into over the long term.

We've come a long way, but we have a ton of opportunities to take a lot more of the home audio market. And even more, as we begin to expand into the broader audio market. This is a huge and growing market. We will seize the significant opportunity ahead by focusing really on three key strategic initiatives.

The first is the expansion of our brand. This is all about understanding our customers better than anyone and how we're evolving our brand and marketing strategies to reach more of these customers. Moving forward, you'll see us continue to partner with other premium brands, as we invite a broader swath of consumers into the Sonos experience. To support the launch of Roam, for example, we have partnered with The North Face.

Together, we'll showcase Roam's durability, portability, and of course, sound quality. More on that in a few months. Second, the expansion of our offerings, we have a tremendous opportunity ahead just in the categories we play in today, but we have ambitious plans to expand it in new categories -- to expand a new customer segment and to layer services on top of everything we do. We remain focused on our efforts to introduce at least two new products each year and have already exceeded this target for fiscal 2021.

Thus far, we've introduced Sonos Radio HD Roam and taken our first step into the auto with our partnership with Audi. And we're not done. Some of you may have seen the recent social media posts from IKEA and Sonos. We are excited about the products we're working on together and are looking forward to sharing more in the near future.

Our long-term product roadmap remains robust, and we are excited to unveil what comes next. As it relates to services, we continue to be pleased with our early success with Sonos Radio and Sonos Radio HD. Sonos Radio is the third most listened to music service on our platform, and we remain focused on our long-term aspiration to reach over 500,000 subscribers to Sonos Radio HD. We see significant opportunities in services over the long term.

Our third strategic priority is driving operational excellence to achieve sustainable profitable growth for the long term. You are seeing us continue to execute ahead of our plan and deliver margin expansion and healthy top-line growth. I've never been more excited about the future of Sonos. We continue to see strong demand, and we are in the best position we've ever been.

We have a huge opportunity in front of us, and we are just getting started. Now, I'll turn the call over to Eddie to provide a brief update on our Google litigation.

Eddie Lazarus -- Chief Legal Officer

Thanks, Patrick. So, let me provide just a brief update on our cases against Google. As background and as I shared in our investor event in March, we estimate that Google infringes over 150 U.S. utility patents from 30 different patent families.

All of those patent families are still alive and we continue to obtain high-value patents from them. We included five patents in our action against Google at the International Trade Commission. It's basically the limit of what you can fit in one case. Those patents were directed to grouping and synchronizing playback among smart devices, volume control for a group and individual devices, stereo pairing, and sound.

A few months ago we finished a trial at the ITC and we remain confident about the strength of our case. We'd expected a preliminary decision on May 11. However, as those of you following the case now, the presiding judge extended the timeline for a decision to August 13 of this year, due to his increased workload, as he assumed the cases of another judge who recently retired. We look forward to that ITC decision, but in the meantime, we're very pleased to share an update regarding another matter.

We are today reporting that a court in Germany has just granted a preliminary injunction against a European Google affiliate for infringing the Sonos patent that enables and controls the transfer of media content from a mobile phone or tablet to one or more playback devices. The order prohibits the offer or sale in Germany of Google's Cast technology, some aspects of which are implicated in the Sonos patented issue and encompasses such products pixelate smartphone, nest audio speakers, and the YouTube music app. We see the ruling as a powerful demonstration of the strength of Sonos' patent portfolio, and of our conviction that Google is a widespread infringer of our IP. Now, let me turn the call over to Brittany to provide more details on our results and our outlook.

Brittany Bagley -- Chief Financial Officer

Thank you, Eddie. We are excited to report another quarter of stellar results, further solidifying our ability to deliver a record year. The strong demand for our products and the fact that our customers have proven that they will wait as they work to fulfill their orders further demonstrates the power of our offering and brands. Let me add some color to our results, starting with the second quarter.

We delivered an adjusted EBITDA of $48.5 million compared to a loss of $28.4 million last year. Our adjusted EBITDA margin expanded to 14.6% during the quarter. We were able to deliver this tremendous result with exceptionally strong gross margin, top-line growth, and ongoing operating expense leverage. This is also the first Q2 in our history where we have been net income positive, and we are pleased to see more consistent profitability across our quarters.

Revenue in the quarter increased 90% to nearly $333 million. On this anniversary, the 17% year-over-year revenue decline in the prior-year quarter, which stemmed from partner inventory rebalancing and retail store closures at the start of the COVID-19 pandemic. The outperformance versus expectations was largely a result of our ability to fulfill more demand. This was driven by ongoing supply chain capacity investments, as well as improved shipping and logistics processes.

Even with the improved supply position in the quarter, we continue to be out of stock on a number of our products, which further points to the strong demand we are seeing. The Americas grew 90% and EMEA grew 100% or 83% on a constant currency basis. APAC grew 56%. The Americas and EMEA both continue to see incredibly strong demand across our products.

APAC grew slightly less quickly than our other regions given the softness in IKEA. IKEA continues to be impacted by store closures and the transition in our product cycle. As Patrick mentioned, we are working on a new product release with them, which we will share more details on in the near future. Sonos speaker revenue was up 130% year over year, driven in part by comping the 27% decline in Q2 last year and was particularly helped by the continued success of Arc and Sub.

Sonos system products revenue increased 10%, comping 22% growth last year and driven by the continued strength of our installer channel and component products. Partner products and other revenue increased 16% driven by accessories and Sonance, offset by lower IKEA revenue. Gross margins were incredibly strong in the quarter and reached a record 49.8%, an improvement of 810 basis points versus last year, of which 300 basis points are due to lower tariffs expense. We had approximately $2 million of net tariff expense impacting gross profit during the second quarter.

Excluding tariff, the 510-basis-points of gross margin improvement was primarily due to comping our At-Home with Sonos promotion last year, as well as a shift into higher-margin products and channels, and fixed costs leverage on the higher Q2 sales volume. This gross margin expansion comes even with an increase in component costs, as well as ongoing higher industrywide shipping and logistics costs. Turning to operational expenses. We saw significant leverage during the second quarter, largely due to the benefit of higher second-quarter revenue.

We experienced year-over-year increases in all opex lines as a result of increasing investments to support our higher top-line growth this year and into the future. We also have higher incentive compensation assumptions given our increased outlook. During the second quarter, we used $39 million in cash from operations and had a negative free cash flow of $47 million largely due to the timing of working capital and accrued expenses driven by seasonality. We are ending the quarter with $639 million in cash and cash equivalents, which continues to put us in a strong position to invest organically in our business, pursue M&A and return capital to shareholders through our authorized share repurchase.

We currently have no debt on our balance sheet, as we paid down our outstanding $25 million in January. Overall, we believe Q2 demonstrates a really impressive quarter for the company and helps us deliver on a strong fiscal 2021. Now, turning to our outlook. Despite our outperformance in Q2, I'm sure you're largely aware the global supply situation has only gotten more challenging as we look toward the second half of the year.

We and others across the industry are seeing significant increases in constraints on a variety of components. Our team continues to work tirelessly to mitigate as much as we can to deliver on the incredible demand we see. We appreciate that our customers have proven that they will wait for our product, which is continuing to help us navigate through this challenge and deliver tremendous results. Obviously, this has been a difficult year to forecast.

We remain aware of the continued uncertainty in the broader macro environment, but feel confident in our fiscal 2021 outlook, given our strong first-half performance and the continued strong demand for our products as we enter the remainder of the year. We are providing the best update we can, given what we see from a demand perspective and what we currently know about the global supply chain. With those considerations in mind, we are increasing our adjusted EBITDA to $225 million to $250 million, up from our prior outlook of $195 million to $225 million and well ahead of our initial fiscal 2021 guidance of $170 million to $205 million. This new outlook represents a 13.8% to 14.9% adjusted EBITDA margin.

This is an expansion of 560 to 670-basis-points from the prior year. We're maintaining our gross margin outlook of 46% to 46.5% because we expect increasing costs of components, the need for additional airfreight to mitigate the impact of the industrywide supply shortages, and a smaller benefit from the product mix. We continue to have $27.5 million of tariff refunds we expect to receive. However, as a reminder, given the timing is uncertain, this is not included in our outlook and will be recognized only upon acceptance of the refund requests.

We will continue to call off this impact each quarter for transparency As we stated last quarter, we expect to continue making additional opex investments in our product, marketing, and operations to support the higher revenue volumes and long-term growth initiatives. We also expect higher incentive compensation to support the increased top-line growth and profitability while delivering on attractive opex leverage for the year. We are increasing our total revenue for fiscal 2021 from $1.625 billion to $1.675 billion, representing a growth of 23% to 26%. Excluding the 53rd week from fiscal 2020, this represents growth of 25% to 29% for the year.

It's compared to our prior outlook of $1.525 billion to $1.575 billion provided last quarter, and our initial fiscal 2021 revenue guidance of $1.44 billion to $1.5 billion provided at the start of the year. Even as the world begins to open up again, the demand for our products has never been stronger. We're incredibly pleased with what we have been able to deliver in Q2. We are focused on continued execution to deliver on our increased fiscal 2021 outlook, which is significantly higher than what we set out to deliver.

As a reminder, we have a tremendous opportunity ahead of us. There is a clear path to achieving our fiscal 2024 targets of $2.25 billion in revenue, 45% to 47% sustainable gross margin, and 15% to 18% adjusted EBITDA margin. With that, I would like to turn the call over to questions.

Questions & Answers:


[Operator Instructions] Our first question will come from Katy Huberty of Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Katy Huberty -- Morgan Stanley -- Analyst

Thank you. Good afternoon and congratulations on the really strong results. As I think through guidance, you've passed through the revenue upside from the March quarter end and some incremental upside that you're assuming from -- it sounds like the Roam, but the EBITDA outlook for the next two quarters is lower than three months ago. So, can you just walk through some of the pressures in more detail that you expect over the next couple of quarters? It sounds like it's a combination of mix and the supply chain dynamic.

And then maybe on supply, just comment on where you're seeing the biggest bottlenecks and where you see costs increasing in the back half of the year.

Brittany Bagley -- Chief Financial Officer

Hey, Katy. Yeah. Happy too. So, as a reminder, we don't give quarterly guidance, but we give annual guidance.

And so, we are increasing our annual outlook. We're really excited with the increase we're able to provide on both revenue and EBITDA. But we are not increasing our gross margin outlook, even though we had pretty incredible gross margins in Q2. And that's really because we're expecting increasing component costs, some need for additional airfreight to mitigate the impact of those components shortages, and the smaller benefit from product mix in the second half of the year.

So that's really impacting the gross merging hold relative to our low-value last quarter. In terms of supply, we are seeing some impacts that I'm sure you're hearing from all the companies across the PE landscape, which is -- there's a general semiconductor shortage out there and everyone's trying to figure out how to get their components and the volume that they need. And we're in the same place on that as you know the broader industry.

Katy Huberty -- Morgan Stanley -- Analyst

Ok. Thank you. And then, can I just ask for a follow-up to Eddie. Just on the back of the ruling in Germany today and expected ruling in August in the U.S., one of the questions that I hear from investors is what happens after these rulings? What's the typical timeline, or the construct in which a financial payment or stream of payments would be decided once these rulings come in?

Eddie Lazarus -- Chief Legal Officer

Katy, thanks for the question. I wish I had a definitive answer for you. It's going to depend, I think, in large part on what the ITC rules and exactly what the details of that are. We feel very good about our position at the ITC.

But what's involved with the ITC is not a damages case, but an importation ban, and what the implications would be on that for discussions between Sonos and Google is just going to have to wait and see exactly what the court rules. From our perspective, the real importance of the German case is that it's a demonstration. It's a ruling that shows we have strong and valid patents, not only here in the United States, but also in Europe, and that Google does in fact infringe them. And we're going to keep pursuing that line and showing over and over again, whether it's at the ITC or in Europe or in Texas or wherever it may be, that is the case.

And we hope and expect that Google will recognize the validity of our position, and come to the table with it.

Katy Huberty -- Morgan Stanley -- Analyst

Thank you very much.


Our next question will come from Tom Forte of D.A. Davidson. Please go ahead.

Tom Forte -- D.A. Davidson -- Analyst

Great. One question and one follow-up. So, the first question I have is, I know it's early as far as the product was just released, but how are you thinking about the ability to Roam to bring new customers to Sonos, and then the opportunity to get them to buy additional Sonos products over time?

Patrick Spence -- Chief Executive Officer

Hey, Tom. It's Patrick. We are feeling very good in terms of Roam's ability. As you said, it's early, but we think this is one that could not have been a better time as the world reopens.

You've probably seen the -- just tidal wave of positive reviews that have been out around the products. The momentum, as I mentioned in my comments, has been tremendous and I'm seeing on social media and hearing anecdotally, of a lot of new people that are coming into Sonos as a result. So, I believe this is going to be a key driver, as we think about new homes going forward and tapping deeper into the kind of audience that we've been trying to penetrate. And I think we'll learn over time, but I don't see any reason why -- starting with a Roam, won't have the long-term kind of products for the home that we've seen with our mix overall, and getting close to that -- getting -- basically, I think we're at 2.9 products for home right now.

So, I expect it to be another one. It's part of the system. It's the first Bluetooth product that works, both in the home and then also out. And so, I think that as well makes it more valuable to people and more versatile.

So, very excited about this and it has a new home driver.

Tom Forte -- D.A. Davidson -- Analyst

Excellent. And then for my second question, one of the things, and you did many calendars last year during the pandemic was to advance your direct-to-consumer efforts. How should we think at a high level about your direct-to-consumer efforts, as physical stores are reopening and pandemic restrictions are easing and customers may be returning to the stores more than -- at least, versus last year.

Patrick Spence -- Chief Executive Officer

Yeah. It's definitely a different year when it comes to the kind of approaching that. But I think what we've seen -- we've set out DTC continues to be important in terms of telling our story and putting a good foot forward in terms of what we're doing. But if Q2 has taught us anything, it's that right across the board we're seeing great engagement from all of our channels.

And we expect that to continue through the year. So, we're seeing growth across the board, and expect that to continue, because I think there's opportunity in all of the channels that we're working in.

Tom Forte -- D.A. Davidson -- Analyst

Great. Congrats on the quarter. And thanks for taking my questions.

Patrick Spence -- Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, Tom.


Our next question will come from Rod Hall of Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Rod Hall -- Goldman Sachs -- Analyst

Yeah. Thanks for the question. I guess I wanted to start with the inventory level. In March, it's up more than what we've seen in prior Marches, and the days of inventory are up a little bit too.

And I just wonder, are you guys lengthen component inventory on to try to mitigate some of the supply issues that one of the ways that you plan to correct for that? And do you -- should we be expecting higher levels of inventory maybe next quarter as well? And I've got a follow-up.

Brittany Bagley -- Chief Financial Officer

Hey, Rod. It's Brittany. Thank you for the question. So, most of the inventory you're seeing on our balance sheet right now is actually finished goods inventory, and not as because we are supporting significantly higher demand this Q2 than we are -- have supported in other Q2s.

So, part of it is just to support the higher sales volume. And then, I would say another part is just timing around when we have in transit inventory in a sort of quarter-to-quarter. So that's really the dynamic you're seeing. Obviously, we're doing everything we can on components as is everyone else right now.

But we're pretty much turning that -- those components into finished goods as fast as we can, so we can go meet the backorders and the demand we're seeing.

Rod Hall -- Goldman Sachs -- Analyst

Ok. That's great. Brittany, that makes sense. The second question I had for you guys was on inflation.

We've had a lot of different companies talking about insulating inputs. I know semi is inflating, but I'm wondering if you've seen that for your products. Do you see other things basic inputs to the products inflating in price, or do you anticipate that as we move through the year?

Brittany Bagley -- Chief Financial Officer

We've seen some on the shipping and logistics side, as we've been calling out as we go through the year. And then, yes, we are seeing it in component costs, which we will particularly be calling out for the second half of the year that increase -- the majority of that component cost increase that we're calling out in the second half of the year really is on the semiconductor side, given the shortages that industry is seeing.

Rod Hall -- Goldman Sachs -- Analyst

Great. Ok. Thanks a lot, Brittany. Appreciate it.

Thank you.

Brittany Bagley -- Chief Financial Officer

Yeah. Absolutely. And we -- as I mentioned, we've baked as much of that as we can foresee into our forecast. So, it's all incorporated right now, as much as we have the visibility.

Rod Hall -- Goldman Sachs -- Analyst

Yeah. Makes sense. Thank you.


Our next question will come from Brent Thill of Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Brent Thill -- Jefferies-- Analyst

Patrick, is there a common threat that you saw in that 150% of forecasted demand on the Roam? I know, my kids grabbed a hold of it and took off and it's gone. I don't even have it in my office anymore. So, it's -- it seems like a younger audience is getting pulled in. Are there any other common themes you're seeing that are surprising you out of the initial launch here? And I guess follow-up to Brittany.

I visit your website today is a full month out now to get the Roam on June 11. I mean, do you run the risk of losing some demand to others if they're looking for a portable in the short term and how do you ensure you take care of the customer's response on that at this point?

Patrick Spence -- Chief Executive Officer

Yeah. Brent, you can always buy another one. So, I think the nice thing is we're going to see multiple Roams in some homes as well. It definitely is speaking to I think, new people in the existing homes and then as well new customers.

And so, the Bluetooth speaker market is a massive one on its own, right? It's the ultra-portable Bluetooth speaker market, and we've got the unique Sonos value position of it being a great speaker in the home and outside, and as well having things like sound swap, the better sound quality, all of the things that we've done to it. So, I just think it's going to help us disrupt that category in the way that we have many of the others that are there. And all -- I'll actually take the question in terms of the delay right now. If you order on, one of the things we've looked at over the past few months, not even relative, just specifically to Roam, but overall on products is what the cancellation rate of the orders looks like, right? Because we've been in a situation where products like Arc or Amp have had delays along the way.

And we are seeing incredible strength in terms of those orders. They do not appear to be perishable in any way. People do not come back and cancel. We've seen that in terms of the -- at any significant rate and the rate has not changed, despite some of the shipping dates pushing it further.

So, we feel good about where the product quality is and how it stands out, and the brand overall. And once people are in the system -- like, I think this is where it makes a big difference to be part of the system, as opposed to just another product, right, or a typical hardware company. And so, being part of the system, I think means more people will wait for the product and they can -- they've had a good experience with their entire Sonos system, and they know what they're going to get when they get any of our new products. So, we're seeing -- we're not seeing perishable demand.

Brent Thill -- Jefferies-- Analyst

Thanks, Patrick.

Brittany Bagley -- Chief Financial Officer

And we're also trying pretty hard to do the best job from a customer experience standpoint that we possibly can, given the backorder situation that we're in. So, I know our teams are working really hard to make sure that when we make commitments about shipping dates, we hit those shipping dates and we're delivering on expectations. I think we all recognize that that relationship with the customer and doing a good job there is more important now than ever. So, that's the other piece of it for us.

Brent Thill -- Jefferies-- Analyst



Our next question will come from John Babcock of Bank of America. Please go ahead.

John Babcock -- Bank of America Merrill Lynch -- Analyst

Hey, good evening, and thanks for taking my questions. I might've missed this earlier, but were any patents in the German case, which is overlapping with the case in the United States?

Eddie Lazarus -- Chief Legal Officer

Not directly overlapping, but relatively similar to patents at issue in the Texas case. It's a direct control patent over in Germany, and we had several direct control patents in the Texas case.

John Babcock -- Bank of America Merrill Lynch -- Analyst

Ok. Thanks. And then, next question just wanted to kind of talk about inflation a bit again here. Assuming this isn't necessarily transitory, and I guess we'll see how that plays out.

What opportunities that Sonos to have -- to have offset that, whether that comes from commercial opportunities or whether that comes from cost adjustments? If you could kind of talk about that, that'd be helpful.

Brittany Bagley -- Chief Financial Officer

Yeah. Thanks. I mean, what I would say is we're very committed to continuing to deliver on that long-term gross margin target. We put out there of 45% to 47%.

So, we feel very comfortable in our ability to continue to hit that and deliver on that year over year. We are a premium product. We're really strong brands. So, we'll look at all of our options as needed over time.

The other thing I would say is we are in a particularly tight global supply chain situation. And while I can't call at all when that will end, certainly there will be investments to add more capacity in the semiconductor industry over time, which over time should be a good long-term trend relative to the current price increases we're seeing.

John Babcock -- Bank of America Merrill Lynch -- Analyst

Got it. And also, I don't know the extent to which you can comment on this. It is a little bit early, but broadly, could you give us some sense of what the impact might be for Sonos on the tax side from proposals making their way through Congress?

Brittany Bagley -- Chief Financial Officer

Well, so, we obviously watch that really closely. But we are not a cash taxpayer right now. And so, right now, what that would really do would be increasing the value of the NOLs and the R&D tax credits that we have on the books. So, we'll keep a close eye on that, but it will become much more critical to us as we move into being a cash taxpayer, which we are not today.

John Babcock -- Bank of America Merrill Lynch -- Analyst

Ok. Thanks, Brittany.


Our next question will come from Matt Sheerin of Stifel. Please go ahead.

Matt Sheerin -- Stifel Financial Corp. -- Analyst

Yes. Thank you for all the details so far. Just another question regarding the supply constraint you're seeing. It seems like you don't really have any visibility into when that eases.

I know you previously had talked about coming out of Q2 and things seem to have gotten worse. So, in any -- anything you're hearing from your manufacturing partners in terms of when that eases? And I also know that you were in the middle of switching or moving to manufacture out of China into other parts of Asia. And could you update us on how that's going?

Brittany Bagley -- Chief Financial Officer

Yeah. Absolutely. So, I'll start with the second one. So, we have been actively diversifying into Malaysia.

It is part of our long-term manufacturing strategy and it very much continues to be relevant and important to us. I think that you can see from the magnitude of the tariff numbers that we have this quarter relative to what we were talking about a year ago, that we had significantly mitigated the impact of tariffs through that Malaysia strategy. So, we are well on our way to hit our milestones and targets from that perspective. And then really what has changed is, rather than focusing on mitigating tariffs or dealing with supply chain and logistics, you are seeing incredible tightness in semiconductor components across the industry.

So, just to be very clear, it's sort of not us, it's not something that is directly in our control. It is an industrywide issue. And so, certainly, we talked to our manufacturing partners, but there are CEOs of major semiconductor companies talking about this on TV and stuff like that. And giving various answers in terms of when they're going to be ramping capacity up and when they see descending.

And so, I'm certainly no smarter on this than they are. And the best we can do is, continue to secure the components we can secure to meet really incredible demand that we have. And so, it'll just be that balance for us as we go through the rest of this year and for as long as this lasts. So, no update on when we're going to be back fully in stock because the landscape has just shifted.

And honestly, our demand has been so strong that, it's hard to keep up, which is a great problem to have, but it's one that we've continued to see.

Matt Sheerin -- Stifel Financial Corp. -- Analyst

For sure. Ok. That's it for me. Thanks so much.

Brittany Bagley -- Chief Financial Officer

Thank you.


That's all the questions we have today. I'll now turn the call back over to Patrick Spence for closing remarks.

Patrick Spence -- Chief Executive Officer

Thank you very much. And thank you to all of you for attending. We think we've taken another great step on our way to our long-term ambition. As I outlined, the opportunity ahead is enormous, and we're just getting started.

So, thanks to everybody, and we'll see you next quarter.


[Operator signoff]

Duration: 42 minutes

Call participants:

Cammeron McLaughlin -- Vice President, Investor Relations

Patrick Spence -- Chief Executive Officer

Eddie Lazarus -- Chief Legal Officer

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