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ESE earnings call for the period ending September 30, 2021.

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Esco Technologies Inc (ESE 5.10%)
Q4 2021 Earnings Call
Nov 18, 2021, 5:00 p.m. ET

Contents:

  • Prepared Remarks
  • Questions and Answers
  • Call Participants

Prepared Remarks:

Operator

Good day, and welcome to the Q4 2021 ESCO Technologies Inc. Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] With us today are Vic Richey, Chairman and CEO; Chris Tucker, Senior Vice President and CFO. And now to present the forward-looking statement. I would like to turn the call over to Kate Lowrey, Director of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

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Kate Lowrey -- Director of Investor Relations

Thank you. Statements made during this call regarding the timing of recovery and growth of our end markets, the amounts and timing of 2021 and beyond revenues, impact of COVID and COVID variants and recovery expected as a result of COVID vaccines, recovery in commercial aerospace, impacts of supply chain issues and cost inflation, adjusted EPS, adjusted EBITDA, cash, shareholder value, the timing of Block V deliveries, success in completing additional acquisitions, success in integrating acquired businesses, the result of cost reduction efforts and other statements which are not strictly historical are forward-looking statements within the meaning of the safe harbor provisions of the federal securities laws.

These statements are based on current expectations and assumptions and actual results may differ materially from those projected in the forward-looking statements due to risks and uncertainties that exist in the Company's operations and business environment, including but not limited to the risk factors referenced in the Company's press release issued today, which will be included as an exhibit to the Company's Form 8-K to be filed. We undertake no duty to update or revise any forward-looking statements whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise.

In addition, during this call, the company may discuss some non-GAAP financial measures in describing the Company's operating results. Reconciliation of these measures to the most comparable GAAP measures can be found in the press release issued today and found on the Company's website at www.esco.technologies.com under the link, Investor Relations.

Now I'll turn the call over to Vic.

Vic Richey -- Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, Kate, and thanks everybody for joining today's call. Before we jump into the details of the quarter, I'd just like to thank our employees across the company for their ongoing efforts to manage the business. There continue to be a lot of challenges to overcome on a regular basis. We're seeing some supply chain issues with delivering cost inflation, as well as the ongoing challenges from COVID. In spite of that, we continue to see great efforts and contributions from our body across the company and for that I'm very appreciative.

Since beginning of the pandemic, our primary goal has been the same to provide safe working environment and protect the health of our employees. We continue to do that now and we appreciate everybody's efforts to create a safe and collaborative environment our facilities worldwide. Overall, we're very happy with how we finished fiscal 2021. The fourth quarter showed some stabilization in our overall business with sales growth of two of the three business platforms and good margin improvement compared to our third quarter results. Cash generation was also strong, as we continue to see benefits from our ongoing focus on working capital improvement. Chris will get into some financial deals -- the details in a few minutes, but I wanted to start off with some top level commentary.

From a segment perspective, there are several positives to report. Within A&D, we're seeing signs of recovery in commercial aerospace as passenger boardings continue to solidify. More importantly, we're starting to see some order momentum from this set of businesses. As you saw in the press release, we had nearly 30% order growth compared to the prior year fourth quarter. All of our businesses in selling commercial aerospace sector saw a nice order improvement in the quarter. We're also seeing good order strength in the military side of the business. Sales of our commercial aerospace customers were still be down in fourth quarter, but the rate of decline was improved compared to what we saw in the first half of the year.

Overall, our navy and space businesses remain strong and well-funded, but sales there were a little weaker in the quarter, which is mostly a function of a very strong fourth quarter last year by our VACCO subsidiary. Our Test business has seen a nice pickup in its overall piece of business, we had double-digit sales growth there in Q4, and we also saw order growth of over 30%, some exciting numbers. in the U.S., we have seen some sizable order growth from the power line filter business. These are used in data centers to ensure clean power supply, and we've seen a lot of government activity driving the order increases.

We also had a strong quarter in Asia from a top line perspective and are excited about our prospects there, as we move forward. We did experience a little margin pressure test during Q4, definitely seeing some impacts of inflation, we're all very aware of these days. The team at the testing is very focused on managing our overall cost profile and also price execution, so that we see margin trends turn around in fiscal 2022.

USG business had an exciting quarter with the closing of two acquisitions. By now, you've all heard a lot about Altanova and Phenix, but we're very excited to get these deals closed. These businesses will strengthen USG for the long term and we're very excited to have these teams on board with our ESCO. The business is going through the hard work of integration now doing a full product and channel assessment to gain proper alignment of the businesses on a global basis. The acquisition to get the USG business a bit of a top line boost in the quarter and we look forward to more of that next year. The underlying business did delivered growth in Q4 and that was good to see. The core business -- core Doble business was a bit up and down in the fiscal '21 where we really finished the year strong.

The energy business grew 25% for the full year and the fourth quarter was consistent with that as well. USG margins were a big part of our '21 story because the team took actions late last year to reduce cost, and we really saw good flow-through from that throughout the year and definitely saw in fourth quarter as well.

Overall, the fundamentals of our portfolio remain strong. We're excited about the outlook for '22. You saw in our press release we guided adjusted EPS that we guess around 20% growth next year. We feel good about that and are ready for the return of growth after two tough years in COVID environment.

Now, I'll turn it over to Chris.

Chris Tucker -- Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Thank you, Vic. I'll start briefly by touching on a few comparative highlights. Sales in the fourth quarter were flat to prior year Q4 with A&D down 16%, USG was up 16% and Test grew 11%. So we did see growth from two of the three businesses, but we do continue to fight some headwinds in the A&D Group. Adjusted EBIT margins were 13.7% in the quarter compared to 13.9% in the prior year quarter. The margin decline was driven primarily by deleverage within the A&D Group, given the sizable revenue drop there. Below the EBIT line, we saw interest expense of approximately $800,000 in the quarter compared to nearly $1.5 million in the prior year Q4. Additionally, we saw tax rate favorability compared to prior year Q4. All these items delivered adjusted EPS of $0.85 per share above prior year's $0.80 per share.

Segment highlights in the quarter are as follows. A&D did see sales weakness in the quarter as previously mentioned, the group was down 16%, in the quarter we saw declines in all major markets with commercial aerospace down 15%, space down 10% and the Navy business down 27%. The space and Navy reductions are a function of timing and comparisons, as our VACCO subsidiary was very strong in the prior year quarter.

We did see great strong order growth by the A&D Group in Q4. Orders were up over 25%, as we saw the commercial aerospace driven businesses pick up nicely during the quarter. PTI, Crissair and Mayday lead the order growth for Q4, a nice indicator as we head into fiscal '22. USG saw sales growth of 16% in the quarter. If you exclude the impact of the Q4 acquisitions, the growth was approximately 8%. The core utility business from Doble was up approximately 4% in the quarter, the renewables business at NRG delivered 29% growth in the quarter capping off a very successful 2021.

The margins from USG were very good in the quarter with adjusted EBIT up to 24.3% in the quarter compared to 18.8% last year. We continue to get good flow-through from prior cost reductions and we also had favorable mix on instrument, contract and service sales. We saw good orders for USG in Q4 and including the recent acquisitions we move into fiscal '22 with a record backlog position of $92 million. This compares to $51 million at the end of last year.

The test business also saw strong growth in the quarter with revenues increasing by 11% compared to prior year Q4. This growth was led by strength in China, which was up over 30%, the Americas also experienced solid growth driven by the power filter business Vic mentioned previously. We did see margin pressure in this business, during the quarter as adjusted EBIT margins went from 16.8% in the prior year to 15.3% in the current quarter.

The business is experiencing inflation driven by materials and labor, as they manage increasing demand. We are very focused on driving cost containment, productivity and price increases to offset these impacts as we move forward. On the orders front, we saw continued strength in the pace of business for test, orders were a record $74 million in the quarter, which is an increase of over 35% compared to last year's Q4.

Now a few comments on the full year performance. First, by segment. The A&D Group had a full year sales decline of 11%, the main driver of the sales drop was commercial aerospace, which was down 29% for the year, this was somewhat offset by 4% increase from the Navy business. USG at a full-year sales increase of 6% excluding the fourth quarter acquisitions the growth was 4% and this was driven by 29% growth at NRG.

Test grew by 6% during fiscal '21 and for the full year consolidated adjusted EBITDA was $131 million or 18.3% compared to $133 million and 18.3% in the prior year. We were able to hold EBITDA margins on reduced sales. Adjusted earnings per share finished the year at $259 million compared to $267 million in the prior year overall of 3% reduction of earnings per share, which is consistent with the underlying sales decline that we experienced.

Orders for the year were $767 million before considering the impact of fourth quarter acquisitions last year's orders were $798 million but included very large in Navy orders received by Globe during 2020. Backlog ended September 21, is at $592 million compared to $511 million at the end of September 2020. Year-to-date, operating cash flow achieved a record of $123 million in '21. Going back to fiscal '18, we have seen steady improvement with operating cash flow increasing at a double-digit compound annual growth rate.

We continue to see great results from our focus on driving balance sheet improvements, operating capital turnover continues to improve, and we see overall balance sheet and cash flow management as a long-term value lever for ESCO. We have a focus program with each subsidiary and will continue driving for long-term improvement of our returns on capital.

Overall, while we continue to see some challenging conditions in a few of our end markets, we were still able to deliver solid results in 2021. Our balance sheet remains strong and gives us great flexibility moving forward, our overall net debt position and leverage ratios leave us with the strength to invest in our core business and to expand via acquisition. We continue to aggressively look for new companies that can be added to our portfolio.

You saw in the press release today that we have added Network Electronics Company or NEco in Q1, this is a small acquisition in the A&D Group, but we see nice complementary revenue streams and a clear path to synergy with our existing business. We will continue to aggressively pursue additional deals in 2022. And we told you last quarter, our number one focus remains the same increasing and maximizing our liquidity to position us for future M&A growth and continued investment in new products and solutions. We still have ample capacity for further acquisitions and we obviously continue to invest in the core business to enhance the organic growth profile.

Our significant cash generation this year is a testament to this focus on liquidity. We delivered free cash flow conversion at 129% of net earnings in '21 and we'll continue to build on the momentum achieved from our working capital initiatives. In the release, we provided earnings per share guidance for fiscal '22. We have seen some good trends developing with orders and are excited to issue guidance that calls for earnings per share in the range of $310 million to $320 million or growth of 20% to 24% in fiscal '22.

This earnings per share range assumes '22 sales in the range of $810 million to $830 million or growth of 13% to 16%. We expect A&D to grow sales in the range of 10% to 12%, USG to grow in the range of 28% to 32% and test to grow 3% to 5%. Backlog positions for all three businesses have solidified nicely during the fourth quarter and are supportive of these growth ranges. We do have some headwinds next year with increased interest expense to $4 million in a projected tax rate of 23% to 24%, but the plan still deliver strong EPS in spite of these items.

We are now breaking out guidance by quarter for '22, but we do expect the Q1 results to be lower than Q2 to Q4. The core utility-based business has been up and down over the last year and we see Q1 a little weaker there and while the test backlogs are strong right now, we don't see that growth kicking in until after Q1. So, that's the financial summary. I will turn it back over to Vic.

Vic Richey -- Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, Chris. Since I touched on quite a few of my thoughts earlier in my commentary, I'll just offer a few more comments before we move into the Q&A. As Chris mentioned we feel good about the year, we just finished, and are excited for 2022 and a return to growth. We feel great about our end market exposure and a diverse portfolio allows us to manage through periods like we've just experienced over the last few years.

We've been able to continue investing in the core business and we know how important driving organic growth is, and these programs are key to achieving that. Examples of this across our portfolio include the F8000-series of power system simulators launched by Doble in 2021 in the Red Edge Power Lines Filters that are driving growth for test. We've also been able to strengthen the portfolio with the ATM acquisition earlier in '21, Altanova and Phenix in the fourth quarter and then NEco in the first quarter of 2022.

These acquisitions all bring unique value to the ESCO and we're committed to delivering value to the shareholders, with these transactions. We spent the last two days with their Board for our year-end meetings, we had a great set of meetings and covered a lot of important topics. I'd like to thank our Board for their ongoing support and guidance. And lastly, I'd like to again thank all our employees for their dedication through a really tough 2021. We appreciate all your hard work and are counting on you as we go into 2022.

So, with that, I think we're ready for Q&A.

Questions and Answers:

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from the line of Tommy Moll from Stephens. Your line is open.

Tommy Moll -- Stephens -- Analyst

Good afternoon, and thanks for taking my questions.

Vic Richey -- Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Hi, Tom.

Tommy Moll -- Stephens -- Analyst

I wanted to start on gross margins. Today, it looks like companywide, you were up over 100 basis points year-over-year in the quarter and up roughly 50 basis points for the full year. You called out some cost reduction actions. I wonder first time, you'd mentioned those but I wondered if you could talk more about these, what some of the components are and embedded in your outlook for 2022, what wood is left to chop on the gross margin side?

Vic Richey -- Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

So I'll mention a few things and then, Chris may want to jump in. I'd say the biggest area really was the things we did in commercial aerospace and rightsize the business, both from the direct force perspective and overhead perspective, and then Doble we saw a really nice pick up in the margin in the fourth quarter and that's really because we take a lot of cost out. Unfortunately, we had to do that. Because as we went into the year and it's not only ForeScout reduction, but we did shut down one facility, a small facility we acquired and moved all that production into contract manufacturer. So all of those things and then we had some normal things like travel still being down, we really thought travel probably picked up more by now, but so those SG&A costs remain lower which help our margins as well.

Chris Tucker -- Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, I think, I think those are the main things with kind of the contract manufacturing under Doble, we had the ATM acquisition earlier, we were able to take some cost out there as we move that into our existing facility, so that helped us sequentially as we move through the year. We also as part of the overall working capital programs, Tommy, we're also doing some cost focus activities as part of that group as well. We've been doing things there that impact GP for sure, renegotiating freight contracts, look at it some common purchasing of kind of common MRO type supplies and materials. So we've seen some good results on that kind of activity as well. So there has been pretty broad activity, I think, across the spectrum there.

Tommy Moll -- Stephens -- Analyst

Sticking on the gross margin topic, but shifting more to a price cost kind of conversation in terms of just any inputs where you're seeing inflationary pressures. Is there any business or units where you feel like you're ahead of things here in terms of pricing actions you've taken? And then at the other end of the spectrum, are there any components of your backlog where there is some risk there with maybe a fixed price contract or a delayed pricing reopener were there may be a headwind, at least for some period of time?

Vic Richey -- Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

So, as you know, a lot of our contracts are fairly quick turn, and so we do have an opportunity in most cases, not all cases that in most cases to be able to kind of reset the price as we go forward. I think, we've been a lot more aggressive on price increases and that we have in the past, because I mean the reality is people want product, right, and were kind of in the same position unfortunately. And if we had to pay a premium and if our customers have to pay a premium sometime to be able to get product their price increases are sticking a lot better than maybe have historically, if you will. But I'm just trying to think, I don't think that we've got much of our backlog that we're concerned about, we have some longer-term projects in the test business, but this year we didn't really have any really, really big projects. So even there I think its going to be fairly muted. Don't mistake me. I mean, we're fighting every day. I mean, it is really an issue across the economy. We are continually looking for pull things in and look for new vendors, because it's just -- it's really tough out there right now.

Tommy Moll -- Stephens -- Analyst

Appreciate it. Sorry, go ahead sir.

Chris Tucker -- Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

I'm sorry, this is Chris, I would just add a little more. I think, we did kind of mention specifically test a little bit in Q4 where the -- as they execute their backlogs in kind of real-time, we saw a little pressure there with inflation, but we've worked very hard there with that team to try to get the pricing going. So I think that that's a place where we've got to kind of keep focusing on it. And again the team is working to do a lot of great stuff. So we know we'll get -- it's kind of a timing thing. It's a little bit transitory, as you kind of work through the backlogs here were a couple of quarter period, but we feel good about where we're heading there. I think Doble is another place where we've been out in front with price increases in Q4 to kind of keep us in front of the curve there on price cost. So overall we -- it's definitely a thing that we're talking to all the subs about and working very hard because we know it's a huge deal as we move through 2022, because as Vic said it's, you're seeing it on the material side and certainly on the labor side and other areas, so price is going to be an important lever there and. And we really are driving it in all parts of the company.

Tommy Moll -- Stephens -- Analyst

Thank you, Chris. Thank you, Vic. I'll turn it back.

Vic Richey -- Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, Tommy.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of John Franzreb from Sidoti. Your line is open.

John Franzreb -- Sidoti & Company -- Analyst

Good afternoon, everyone. Got quick question on the commercial aerospace side of the business. Given the uptick in or as you saw in A&D, does that suggests your customers are getting closer to unwinding the excess inventory levels? Any kind of update on what you're seeing in commercial would be great.

Vic Richey -- Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, I mean that's -- we've obviously is there, their increase in orders, that is because you're getting some of this behind them and the fly rates are picking up some. So it was very encouraging to see this kind of a order pickup in the fourth quarter. Our anticipation is, we should continue to have some level of improvement as we talked about on calls before a good bit of our products goes on -- go on to twin-aisle aircrafts as well. And so, now that the travel restrictions between the U.S. and lot of the places have eased up, we hope that that's not going to start to kick it off for some of those wide bodies like we've seen on the narrow bodies to-date.

John Franzreb -- Sidoti & Company -- Analyst

Okay. And in test, was there any impact for your company or your customers on the chips? Lack of chip supply or any other product supply that might have hurt you on test in particular?

Vic Richey -- Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

No. That's -- this one area where we have seen a lot of that -- a lot of what we do is more structural type work. So we're making a chambers, making the foam absorber. I mean the amount of electronics we do are really pretty small. So it's just not something that would impact us. As far as our -- the customers, I mean it seems like the consumer products are doing a better job of getting the chips and maybe some of the cars and some of the other places like that. So we've not seen any impact as you saw from our orders. I mean, our orders were really strong in 2020 -- in 2021 and they've dropped to a bit start in this year as well. So if there is an impact, it's not showing up in order rates for sure.

John Franzreb -- Sidoti & Company -- Analyst

Okay. And in the utility side of the business. I know some of the increase in orders was -- is acquired orders. But can you talk a little bit about -- even if you pull that out out looks like a still good quarter on as far as the order side. How Doble is doing? And how is that business playing out compared to your expectations? What are your thoughts about, how that plays out in 2022 at Doble in particular?

Vic Richey -- Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Sure. Well, we did have growth. I mean just setting the acquisitions aside, we did have growth in the core business and had a really, really strong September. So the question, how is that -- is that a trend or anomaly and I'm hoping for a trend honestly. It seems like with the business, we had thought it was going to recover a little faster than it did. But as we go into this next year, I mean, I think some of these acquisitions are going to be delayed for so long, and so we are looking for some growth at Doble in that core business just setting aside the acquisitions, we're looking for growth in the core business this year as well.

John Franzreb -- Sidoti & Company -- Analyst

Okay, thanks. I'll get in the queue. Thank you.

Vic Richey -- Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, John.

Operator

Thank you. Next up we have Jon Tanwanteng from CJS Securities. Your line is open.

Jon Tanwanteng -- CJS Securities -- Analyst

Hi, everyone. Thanks for taking my question. I just wanted to dig into the Doble commentary a little bit more, and just the USG segment in particular. The organic growth rate that you highlighted in the press release was 3% to 5%. I would have thought the utilities would be picking up the spending a little bit more next year and especially if there infrastructure -- great in renewable money coming in -- may the timing of that's a little bit off, but you mentioned price increases as well. I was just wondering what are the other components of the underlying growth expectation going in there?

Vic Richey -- Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Just a couple of general comments about utility industry, and one of our directors has recently retired, Senior Executive at a large utility and so communities still maintains contact with a lot of people and has insight into the industry I think at a pretty high level. And we think what we're seeing is, making a little more difficult. The utilities are still very conservative. Their work from home is probably a higher level than a lot of places. They are limited in travel, they are limiting people coming into their facilities. And so I think that's kind of muted, what we would expect it to be a little more robust growth as well.

Now, I think they are going to be given obviously a lot of infrastructure money. The infrastructure money won't be spent directly on our products, so there is not really infrastructure. But as they improve the infrastructure, expanding infrastructure, that will require additional testing. So we think that there may be some delay on that, but we think that it will benefit the business over the longer term, but just as we look into '22, we think we're going to get some organic growth. And then the other thing, which I think we're trying to take a measured approach on is what we're going to see from these acquisitions and the synergies we may realize that cost synergies -- the ability to be able to sell some of the Doble products, more Doble product internationally and vice versa. So we have baked a lot of that into our core forecast, but I think there's an opportunity there that we should be able to exploit. And that integration has gone exceptionally well I would say. So if we're going to get that, I think we're well positioned to execute on it.

Chris Tucker -- Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, John, and this is Chris. A few things I would add, I mean, I think if you think about the '22 in the organic growth profile there. I mean last year in Q1, we had a decent quarter for Doble, they saw some year-end money is released that kind of gave them a little bit of a tailwind a year ago. We're not really seeing that happen right now that's kind of why I mentioned some of the Q1 guidance have a little bit lighter in Q1 for Doble. We've just kind of seen, kind of one up quarter, one down quarter kind of a trend there. And we -- so, we feel good about the market's long-term, but we're just not seeing great guns ahead, if you will, on kind of the steady growth. So a little softer Q1 but then Q2 last year was quite weak. So, we would expect pretty good performance relative to that. And then, it kind of flattens out a little bit in the back half of the year. So that's kind of how we see it right now, and the infrastructure as Vic mentioned, we think that's a great long-term, but we don't really see that as a '22 impact, we see that a little longer term.

Jon Tanwanteng -- CJS Securities -- Analyst

Got it. That's helpful color. And then I was just wondering that you've done three acquisitions in the last quarter or so, and they're not quite as big as some of the other ones you've done, but I'm just wondering, you mentioned that your programs in each of the segments have to look more assets. But I was just wondering what your actual appetite and bandwidth is in the near term for something and kind of, that you can close just quickly or is it going to take till next calendar year or something?

Vic Richey -- Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, I think it early though, we're working on some things. I think it will be next calendar year before anything else is done. As far as bandwidth, I mean obviously the financial bandwidth is not an issue. I think the people bandwidth is pretty solid. Fortunately, with the businesses that we've bought to in the utility space may come with a really strong management teams and so it's not like we're trying to go and fix anything or trying to take advantage of that strong management team and products they can have, and so, that integration is going very well. I was in Italy by a month or so ago and visit both facilities. Quite impressed with really the products facilities, the people, the management team. So, I think that's going to be a pretty easy acquisition. I think everybody gets it. They understand why this was a good thing for for the acquired companies and they're going to play a big role in the future of the business. The last one we mentioned is relatively small business and it's going to be part of PTI a longer term. And so, that's going to be a pretty straight forward integration. Again, the two senior people there are really strong, and we are prepared to really help us to pull those businesses together.

Jon Tanwanteng -- CJS Securities -- Analyst

Got it. Thanks, Vic.

Vic Richey -- Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah.

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] We have a follow-up question from Jon Tanwanteng from CJS Securities. Your line is open.

Jon Tanwanteng -- CJS Securities -- Analyst

Hi. Yes, just one follow-up from me. I don't know if you said this earlier in the call. But, Chris, just in the $3.20 of EPS and the margin guidance for next year. How much inflation are you baking into that as just over the next two quarters or so, and then a recovery or is it the full year? I'm just trying to get a sense of how conservative you're trying to be and what's your expectations for the actual environment?

Chris Tucker -- Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, I mean I would say that we've seen that inflation kick in pretty hard here in the second half of the year. We expect it to be pretty hot and heavy for the first half of the year, then you kind of start to anniversary in some of that, and then your price increases kind of hang in for the back half of the year where you can get a little more favorable on that price cost ratio. So, that's kind of how we have it dialed in right now.

Jon Tanwanteng -- CJS Securities -- Analyst

Okay, great. And then are there any parts of your business, where you can take a price to match the inflation? Is there like a percentage of revenue that you can raise it on or cant raise on, what do you think of it?

Chris Tucker -- Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

I think I would say that we don't feel like we can get price anywhere. We've worked again with all the subs as we went through the financial plans for '22. I mean that was kind of a key topic of what's the inflation expectation and and what are the levers we have to offset that. And so again, you do have some longer-term contracts that you can't open up in the short term windows. I don't have that quantified off the top of my head, but I would say it's not a huge part of the business. In general, we're able to get price as we operate.

Vic Richey -- Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, I'd say the one place to maybe the one exception is with our Globe business. That's a long-term contract, we have for service hull treatments and that's a multi bulk deal. Having said that, we've got locked in the material price and so material is not going to be an issue. I'd say, if we have any issues it'll just be people, their availability, its like a labor, a heavily labor intensive business. It is more for the material business. I mean obviously the manufacturing piece of it is very, very important, but it's really material-driven business, we're going to get that locked down.

Jon Tanwanteng -- CJS Securities -- Analyst

Got it. Thank you, guys.

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions]

Vic Richey -- Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Okay. I think that's it for the questions. So we'll end the call now. And thank you for dialing in. I look forward to talking to you on the next call.

Operator

[Operator Closing Remarks]

Duration: 34 minutes

Call participants:

Kate Lowrey -- Director of Investor Relations

Vic Richey -- Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Chris Tucker -- Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Tommy Moll -- Stephens -- Analyst

John Franzreb -- Sidoti & Company -- Analyst

Jon Tanwanteng -- CJS Securities -- Analyst

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