SelectQuote (SLQT) Q4 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

SelectQuote (SLQT 3.87%)
Q4 2023 Earnings Call
Sep 13, 2023, 8:30 a.m. ET

Contents:

• Prepared Remarks
• Questions and Answers
• Call Participants

Prepared Remarks:

Operator

Hello, and welcome to SelectQuote's fiscal fourth quarter and full-year 2023 earnings Call. My name is Elliot, and I'll be coordinating your call today. [Operator instructions] It's now my pleasure to introduce Matt Gunter, SelectQuote investor relations. Mr.

Gunter, you may begin the conference.

Matt Gunter -- Investor Relations

Thank you, and good morning, everyone. Welcome to SelectQuote's fiscal fourth quarter and full-year 2023 earnings call. Before we begin our call, I would like to mention that, on our website, we have provided a slide presentation to help guide our discussion. After today's call, a replay will also be available on our website.

Joining me from the company, I have our chief executive officer, Tim Danker; and Chief Financial Officer Ryan Clement. Following Tim and Ryan's comments today, we will have a question-and-answer session. As referenced on Slide 2, during this call, we will be discussing some non-GAAP financial measures. The most directly comparable GAAP financial measures and a reconciliation of the differences between the GAAP and non-GAAP financial measures are available in our earnings release and investor presentation on our website.

And finally, a reminder that certain statements made today may be forward-looking statements. These statements are made based upon management's current expectations and beliefs concerning future events impacting the company and, therefore, involve a number of uncertainties and risks, including but not limited to those described in our earnings release, annual report on Form 10-K for the period ended June 30th, 2023, and other filings with the SEC. Therefore, the actual results of operations or financial condition of the company could differ materially from those expressed or implied in our forward-looking statements. And with that, I'd like to turn the call over to our chief executive officer, Tim Danker.

Tim?

Tim Danker -- Chief Executive Officer

Thank you all for joining us today. We're pleased to, yet again, share a very strong quarter which capped a very strong year for SelectQuote. Today, we will detail the ways that our strategic redesign has solidified our market-leading competitive position and Medicare Advantage, but more importantly, we will demonstrate our conviction that SelectQuote has built a diversified platform to drive consistent profit and cash flow in the quarters and years ahead. We'll also review our incredible success with SelectRx, where we have rapidly grown a profitable business with annual revenue now totaling over 239 million.

This impressive trajectory was accomplished in a little over two years time. Beyond the financial results in this business, we're even more excited to review SelectQuote's unique ability to create additional businesses and healthcare services given how our information advantage and comprehensive platform adds value to the full spectrum of stakeholders within the healthcare ecosystem. If we turn to Slide 3, let me recap the quarter. As noted, SelectQuote outperformed our internal forecasts yet again.

Fourth-quarter revenue of 222 million and adjusted EBITDA of negative 6 million represents the sixth consecutive quarter of outperformance driven by great execution across each of our businesses. The call out here is the improved profitability produced in what is a seasonally slower and high-investment quarter. This is an important result given our stated strategy to reduce the volatility of our results throughout a given year. Additionally, the strength over the year positions us well for the upcoming 2024 season as we've been able to invest early, which worked really well for us in 2023.

Specifically, our new agents are already hired in our ramping, and similar to the past year, we expect a higher mix of tenured agents. Health care services also performed well in 4Q. As planned, we purposely slowed SelectRx member growth to accelerate profitability, and we're proud to have accomplished our goal to drive a positive EBITDA contribution exiting the year. Lastly, our priority to drive cash flow in 2023 is a point of pride and was certainly the case again in 4Q.

Specifically, we generated 72 million of cash EBITDA for the year, which includes investments we've made ahead of the upcoming season, as well as the ramp for SelectRx. In fact, excluding the ramp for SelectRx, SelectQuote would have driven positive operating cash flow in fiscal 2023. We also significantly improved the cash efficiency of our business given the materially lower operating cost per policy. Our payback period of just over two years on a new MA policy compares very favorably to prior periods despite lower MA LTVs.

We start fiscal '24 in a strong cash position and feel confident about the season ahead. Overall, SelectQuote delivered across the board in 2023, and I'd like to personally thank everyone in the organization for the hard work that drove our success. We certainly aren't done yet but, clearly, a lot to be proud of as we look to 2024. Let's slip to Slide 4 where I'd like to briefly give context on the scale of SelectQuote's fiscal '23 outperformance in which the company generated revenue of just over $1 billion and adjusted EBITDA of 74 million.

During our 2022 year-end earnings call, we presented four guiding principles for how we'd operate the business during fiscal '23 and beyond. First, disciplined policy production with a focus on margins and cash flow; second, reduced operating leverage; third, leveraging the scale of SelectRx and healthcare services; and finally, reduced volatility of our results. We're proud to say we executed on each of these principles during fiscal 2023, which resulted in the strong financial results you see on the page. Beginning on the left, it's important to remember that we slowed our policy growth with the specific goal to improve the quality and operating efficiency of our core senior business.

In 2023, our MA policy production declined 13% year over year, which you will recall is well ahead of the original expectation for a 35% to 45% decline. The reason for the outperformance in volume was driven by improved agent close rates, which carried across to our most important financial KPIs, including marketing costs for approved policy. In aggregate, our full-year 2023 adjusted EBITDA margin for senior was 26%, which is driven by broad-based improvement in policy throughput, more focused and effective policyholder targeting, and an overall strong AEP and OEP season. As Ryan will detail in our 2024 outlook, we believe our operational improvement is durable, and we believe SelectQuote is well positioned to generate 20%-plus EBITDA margins in core senior and a wide range of Medicare Advantage seasons.

The year also underscores the power of our tenured agent model paired with our technology and information. Ultimately, we believe the durability and performance of our unique model sets SelectQuote apart is a distribution partner that can drive high-quality volume rather than simply growing for growth's sake. Better yet, the information advantage SelectQuote has is critical to how we built SelectRx, and we continue to leverage our platform to build other healthcare services' revenue streams. In 2023, SelectRx grew by nearly 24,000 members and exited fiscal '23 approaching 50,000 members.

This membership growth incurred minimal incremental marketing expense as nearly all of our SelectRx members came from the marketing funnel of our various insurance lines of business. I'll speak more to SelectRx and the power of our healthcare services strategy on the next few slides. Lastly, the sixth consecutive quarters of execution relative to expectations is a metric, we're determined to grow. As you know, 2022 is a challenging year, but the success and consistency due to our strategic redesign, gives us confidence that SelectQuote will continue to earn credibility in the market through performance.

Now, if we shift to the right, let me provide context to the magnitude of our outperformance in 2023. The bars in gray show our original expectations when we provided our full-year 2023 guide this time last year. In contrast, the bars in orange show our actual full-year results. Our revenue production exceeded the midpoint of our original guide by over 11% to end the year.

Additionally, our expectation to breakeven on adjusted EBITDA in the year was significantly surpassed as SelectQuote generated $74 million in adjusted EBITDA, which represents an overall margin of 7%, all delivered through an increasingly cash-efficient and cash-generative model. These results give us a high level of conviction that the changes we've made to our operating model are working and position the company to continue to deliver attractive returns well into the future. Flipping to Slide 5. Let me give additional context to the evolution of SelectRx as we're increasingly asked about the business from our investors.

Here, you can see the trajectory of member and revenue growth in what is a very short period of time. In 2021, SelectRx acquired two smaller pharmacy operations with approximately 4,500 members with a wide range of use cases and prescriptions. Today, we have built a sophisticated and easy-to-use platform for seniors to save time and, importantly, achieve better medication adherence. The value proposition to the patient is clear as we've grown to nearly 50,000 members in just 10 quarters and nearly doubled our membership over just the past year.

Given the vast majority of our membership growth today does come from existing Medicare customers, you can see the powerful impact this rapidly growing business, alongside a significantly improved senior business has had upon our revenue to CAC ratio, which finished the year at over 4x. Most importantly, the business has hit critical mass, and our member onboarding has become increasingly efficient over the past year. Best of all, we have recently been recognized with the Patient-Centered Pharmacy Home accreditation, which is an endorsement of the quality and service level we brought to bear to America's seniors with our uniquely well-positioned model. We look forward to talking more about this business in 2024, but ultimately, we expect to leverage the platform to drive both top- and bottom-line growth for years to come.

If we turn to Slide 6, let me give a quick refresh on our approach to healthcare services and how SelectQuote is uniquely positioned to capitalize on this market opportunity. There are two key takeaways from this page for when to drive home. First, it's obvious that healthcare in the United States is a tremendously large market where seniors are becoming a larger and larger percentage of the population each day. Additionally, the way that American seniors are treated by healthcare providers and managed care organizations is shifting rapidly in favor of health outcomes.

At a high level, that means providing services that are tailored to the individual. In order for a caretaker to provide that level of service or for a carrier to underwrite that care, substantial amount of information is required. SelectQuote's agent-led model across each of our businesses, combined with the investments we've made in technology, afford us the unique ability to be the facilitator and connective tissue between each of these stakeholders. As we've talked about in the past, there's a tremendous amount of value that SelectQuote provides in brokering the connection of each of these participants within healthcare.

Our core senior business is a reflection of the value we create for both the policyholder and a carrier when we match the best fit. SelectRx is an example of the differentiated value we deliver for seniors by leveraging a platform built to provide bespoke services at scale. The market opportunities for these services are broad given the more than 55 million Americans over the age of 65. In the future, we expect to create additional businesses similar to how we've built SelectRx.

What we can share today is that our strategies and healthcare services will leverage our existing platform and will share in our aim to drive consistent profitability and cash flow. Put another way, we plan to provide better solutions and higher value knowing what we know about the needs of healthcare stakeholders. We do not intend to create markets, but instead, we'll stick to capitalize on demand and less-efficient markets that already exist. The second takeaway is our firm belief that SelectQuote wins because of the value we provide to each party within the healthcare ecosystem.

Similar to my comments on our core senior business, we provide quality at scale as opposed to just one or the other. And it's foundational to our approach in healthcare services that any business we pursue benefits SelectQuote only if we deliver value to each and every other participant in the service. Clearly, this is something we're excited about, and we look forward to sharing more about the healthcare services opportunity in the future. If we now turn to Slide 7, I'd like to end my remarks on the strides we've made with regard to cash efficiency and long-term value creation.

As we've talked about, SelectQuote's strategic redesign prioritized improvement in cash flow in two main categories. First, each of our businesses from our core senior to life and auto and home made significant improvements in operating efficiency which, in turn, has improved cash conversion. For instance, in core senior, our shift to more tenured agents and a refined set of lead targets has driven a significant benefit in our cash EBITDA, in line with our decision to slow policy generation in 2023. As you can see at the top of the page, both our adjusted EBITDA and cash EBITDA were materially better year over year.

As we've spoken about, these metrics were aided by a strong season but more so by improvements in our own execution. In 2023, our agent closing rate was 24% higher than in 2022. Similarly, our marketing cost per approved policy was down 34% compared to a year ago. Lastly, we would note that LTV stabilized over fiscal year 2023.

And while we don't forecast increases in LTV as a practice, we can contextualize the improvement from two perspectives. First, starting early in 2022, we undertook a rigorous overhaul of our policyholder underwriting. And as a result, we have significantly improved our own observed persistency. Second, our carrier partners have become more discerning in the quality of their volume.

And as a result, competitive pressure that existed in seasons' past [Inaudible] as carriers exhibit a flight to quality partners like SelectQuote. The second way we're improving cash flow is through the mix of our businesses, as well as the way that we partner with carriers. First, in terms of business mix, we believe SelectQuote has become a business that generates more year-round profit and revenue given our strong SelectRx and life and auto and home businesses. These and additional healthcare services opportunities dampen the seasonality of our business but also benefit our cash conversion given the upfront nature of their cash flow streams compared to the Medicare Advantage business.

Second, Medicare Advantage continues to evolve where carriers are focused on working with distribution partners that can generate high-quality policy volume. This was evident in 2023 as the percentage of revenues received in year one increased to 63%, up from 53% the year prior. In the Medicare Advantage seasons ahead, we expect carriers to continue to move toward partners like SelectQuote and believe the best distribution partners will earn better structures which may improve commission timing or lead to better overall LTVs. In both cases, we believe SelectQuote is very well positioned to take high-quality market share without taking on marginal risk.

With that, let me turn the call over to Ryan to detail our strong financial results. Ryan?

Ryan Clement -- Chief Financial Officer

Thanks, Tim. If we turn to Slide 8, let's take a look at our consolidated fourth quarter and fiscal-year 2023 results. As Tim summarized, as a result of strong execution on our strategic redesign, we had a very successful quarter and year. Year over year, revenues increased 59% and 31% for the quarter and year respectively.

This is a great result driven by the growth in SelectRx but also by better-than-expected efficiency in our core senior business. More importantly, we made a significant improvement in profitability. As Tim mentioned, our full-year adjusted EBITDA of 74 million ended materially above our original expectations, driven predominantly by the improvement in our cost efficiency within senior. Equally as encouraging was the strong improvement in our fourth-quarter results where adjusted EBITDA approached breakeven.

As you know, the fourth quarter has historically been a seasonally light quarter for our business, but the ramp of SelectRx and our overarching strategy have made SelectQuote a more year-round business. If we move to Slide 9, let's review the key performance indicators for our senior distribution business. In the quarter, we wrote 110,000 Medicare Advantage policies, which was down 5% compared to a year ago. For the year, our total Medicare Advantage policy accounts of 578,000 was 13% lower compared to fiscal 2022.

Again, as Tim mentioned, this production was materially better than our original expectation of a 35% to 45% decline driven by the efficiency and cost gains we picked up through our strategy to employ a higher mix of tenured agents and to better target leads. Moving to the right of the page, LTVs for Medicare Advantage policies continue to stabilize, down just 5% for the quarter in the year. I'll speak to the trends that make up these LTVs in a minute, but we are clearly seeing stabilization and improvements in the factors that build up lifetime values. In fact, our full-year LTV of 877 was better than our original expectation.

Put another way, the declines year over year were largely driven by the three-year look-back in our methodology. Turning to Slide 10, let me speak to the efficiency gains we realized in our core senior business for fiscal 2023. As we have reported all year, our Medicare Advantage platform picked up significant improvement in each of the key components that make up our unit economics and profitability. First, our overall operating expense per approved policy declined by 27%, driven primarily by the significant reduction in our marketing expense for policy, which you can see dropped by one-third.

When looking at these two metrics, it is important to remember that while we invested more in our tenured agent count, the 24% improvement in agent close rates you see on the right drove the lion's share of our marketing efficiency. The improvement on both marketing and close rates was also aided by the refined lead targeting employed this past season. Put all together, these metrics are a great representation of our new strategy in action. While we originally set out to write significantly fewer policies with higher quality agents and leads, the efficiency gains we realized allowed us to serve more customers without sacrificing our paramount goal to drive profitable and cash-efficient growth.

I'd simply echo Tim's congratulation to our teams for how well we executed our Medicare Advantage strategy in fiscal 2023. Before I turn to our segment financial results, I'd like to expand on some of the metrics underlying our LTVs. As I noted, we certainly saw stabilization over 2023, but we also saw improvements in policyholder persistency and the mix of customers. Our 90-day active rates, which are the primary indicator for policyholder persistency, continue to improve and were up compared to a year ago.

The majority of these gains were due to our change in lead targeting and our higher mix of tenured agents. For instance, our mix of what we would consider highly transactional customers has declined meaningfully compared to last season, which drove better overall persistency, as well as increased efficiency. As a result, our approval rates in the 2023 season were up over a year ago. Let's now turn to Slide 11, where you can see how all these efficiency improvements led to very strong results in the senior segment.

Our revenue grew 51% and 12% for the quarter and year respectively. For the year, we grew despite the year-over-year decline in policies written. The primary driver of the year-over-year improvement was the sizable cohort adjustment taken in fiscal 2022, which did not recur in 2023 given the steps we have taken to de-risk our receivables. While the revenue results were strong, we're most focused on profitability, and 2023 was very successful in that regard.

As Tim mentioned, we delivered consolidated EBITDA well above expectations for the fourth quarter, which is our highest investment quarter of the year. This was driven by the strong fourth quarter for senior, which produced $16 million of adjusted EBITDA at a 16% margin. On the year, we drove 155 million of adjusted EBITDA in senior at a margin of 26%, about $110 million better on a full-year basis when accounting for cohort adjustments in fiscal year '22. We have detailed all of the operational improvements that drove these margins and have also noted how 2023 is a strong season for the industry.

Most importantly, we firmly believe our current strategy and senior can drive durable, future EBITDA margins above 20% in a range of Medicare Advantage selling environments. If we flip to Slide 12, you can see the strong growth and scale that Tim talked about for our SelectRx business. Our membership approached 50,000 as of the end of the quarter, which is effectively double what we began the year with. For the quarter, we grew membership by 92% year over year while driving total revenue growth of 176%, which demonstrates the compounding effect membership growth has on revenues as members mature over time.

The impact is even more pronounced when looking on a full-year perspective as fiscal 2023 revenue were up 260% compared to fiscal 2022. If we look at just the fourth quarter, our member count grew by 9% which, by design, was slower as we prioritized profitability in the back half of the year. And right, you can see we delivered on that goal as we generated positive EBITDA in the fourth quarter, which contributed to our overall profitability and will continue to scale as we look to 2024. I'll speak to our outlook shortly, but one point we would like to emphasize here is that nearly 50,000 members is just the tip of the iceberg for a significant market of seniors we speak to on a daily basis.

Is also important to reiterate that, today, all of our SelectRx members were generated via acquisition costs associated with selling Medicare Advantage and Medicare supplement policies. Given the vast market opportunity and favorable lead economics we see, we'll begin lead testing in 2024 for SelectRx. There are many avenues beyond our Medicare distribution business to provide high-quality introductions to our SelectRx platform, and we have only scratched the surface there. While future membership growth may incur incremental marketing spend, we expect the return profile on this spend will be highly attractive.

And lastly, as Tim discussed, we believe SelectQuote's advantages as a central hub and connector within the evolution in healthcare provide us additional revenue opportunities similar to SelectRx. Our current outlook for 2024 does not contemplate any of these new initiatives, but our parameters for scale in these initiatives would follow a similar road map to what we were achieving with SelectRx. All of these potential growth avenues are aligned, not just to our financial goals to further dampen seasonality and drive profitable cash flow, but also to make SelectQuote more valuable to all of our partners and stakeholders. This means better and more convenient care for seniors and better coverage and coordination with insurance carriers and caregivers.

To reiterate Tim's point, it is very rewarding to see results like these knowing that they are improving lives. Now, if we move to Slide 13, similar to last quarter, we are pleased to see the impacts of our strategic redesign continue to drive improving profitability in our life division. While life, as well as auto and home, are smaller businesses, both are important to our goals to make SelectQuote a more year-round business. These segments also provide strong cash flow that supplement our ability to fund and invest in our overall business.

Our life division delivered strong profitability during the year with 23 million in adjusted EBITDA at a 16% margin. In the fourth quarter specifically, we continue to benefit from efficiencies created with our SwiftTerm Select life insurance product which offers an easier customer onboarding experience. Additionally, we applied the same strategy for our final expense product that we had with the Medicare Advantage, and the results have been encouraging and, we believe, scalable. Turning to Slide 14, the core results in our auto and home business remain very strong in this quarter.

Our financial results were impacted by a $10 million change in estimate related to a mutual agreement with the carrier to separate our partnership, which we believe is in the best interest of our customers. The change in estimate reflects the outstanding renewal commissions with that carrier. We've seen strong interest in the book and will recognize a portion of that revenue in EBITDA in 2024 as we place the book with other carriers. In the quarter, excluding the one-time change in estimate, both revenue and adjusted EBITDA expanded year over year, primarily due to increasing premiums and expense discipline.

Excluding the change in estimate, revenue was 9 million, an increase of 29% year over year, and adjusted EBITDA was 3 million, an increase of 116% year over year. Similar to our core senior business, in auto and home, we plan to continue with our renewed strategy as we look ahead to 2024. Lastly, if we turn to Slide 15, let me conclude with our guidance for 2024. We expect consolidated revenue in a range of 1.05 billion to 1.2 billion, which represents year-over-year growth of 12.5% at the midpoint.

This contemplates revenue growth of around 50% in our healthcare services division on membership growth of approximately 25%. Adjusted EBITDA is expected to range from 80 million to 105 million, assuming roughly 20% margins in our core senior segment and low single-digit margins in our healthcare services business as it continues to ramp. We anticipate consolidated adjusted EBITDA to follow a similar seasonal pattern to fiscal year 2023. Turning to volume, we expect core senior MA policy volume to decrease approximately 10% to 15 %.

On LTVs, while we don't explicitly guide to LTV, I'd like to note two things. First, we remind analysts and investors that the historical seasonal pattern of LTV will repeat in 2024 where LTVs are lowest in 1Q and 4Q and higher in 2Q and 3Q. The key reason for the 1Q-drop being that commissions booked in 1Q are prorated for a shorter initial year duration. Second, our revenue and volume guide implies a year-over-year increase in LTV for fiscal 2024, which is consistent with what we've observed in policyholder persistency.

Finally, on cash efficiency, as we start fiscal 2024, our goal is to finish the year approaching operating cash flow positive on a consolidated basis. That concludes our remarks. And with that, let me turn the call back to our operator for your questions.

Questions & Answers:

Operator

Thank you. [Operator instructions] First question today comes from Jonathan Yong with Credit Suisse. Your line is open.

Jonathan Y. -- Credit Suisse -- Analyst

Hey, thanks for the question, guys. And congrats on the results here. Just curious on as you -- as you got to look at the carrier plans, if you have any thoughts on how it tracks relative to your expectations and is there anything that is a surprise from your perspective there? Just any color on what you're kind of seeing there.

Bob Grant -- President, Senior Segment

Yeah. [Inaudible]

Tim Danker -- Chief Executive Officer

I'll ask Bob Grant to -- yeah, go ahead, Bob.

Bob Grant -- President, Senior Segment

Yes, sorry. That's a really good question. We are excited about the plan design. It really fits the consumers that we deal with most.

I think we've talked about before that we work a lot with lower-income seniors and duals and D-SNPs, and the carriers are really making a concerted effort to make those plans more competitive and expand those plans to different counties so that more folks can get on them. And we feel really, really good about that. Especially given kind of where our mix has been over the last year in those plans, we see that our book will have a little bit more stability than maybe others that are more geared toward normal Medicare Advantage plans. So, we're really excited about that [Inaudible] I think the carrier is really focused on benefits that are important to people, and I think that gives us a big competitive advantage.

Jonathan Y. -- Credit Suisse -- Analyst

That's helpful. And then turning to the services business, EBITDA turned positive this quarter. You're guiding to low single-digit EBITDA margin for Select. I guess, as you think about building out additional service lines, how much incremental investments will kind of be needed? And should we think that as if you were to build those service lines out, would the services EBITDA line go negative, or do you expect to maintain that positive contribution? Thanks.

Tim Danker -- Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, Jonathan, great question. And we're really excited about what we've dealt with SelectRx. I think if you look at the rapid number growth also the speed at which we achieved profitability, we think that's a really critical proof point to the market about what we can do. We're leveraging, again, our core consumer acquisition and engagement capabilities to drive immediate value in healthcare.

So, as to other opportunities like in terms of categories, I mean, first and foremost, it's got to be of significant value to the consumer. That's been our North Star for 38 years. As far as the approach, I would think more of a services type platform where we can leverage our existing tech and infrastructure and those capabilities to create higher margins. We're really pleased at which we got the business to profitability, and we'll continue to, I'd say, be opportunistic.

While we think there's a lot that's out there, given our information advantage with the consumer, and we think we can deploy that capital in a very efficient way. Bob?

Bob Grant -- President, Senior Segment

Yeah. You know, in looking at that space, we'd like to repeat, obviously, what we've done in SelectRx not just from a financial perspective. You know, clearly that's -- that's working extremely well. We turn cash flow positive, really high revenue growth.

But if we look at what it is, it's really designed to bring convenience and adherence to a really tricky population that's on eight or more drugs or average is north of that, folks that are typically lower income, lots of D-SNPs. And if you look at the other spaces where where we're looking, it is all in kind of that same convenience play that supports the value-based system that's being created. So, really what we're looking at is specialized home care, specialty pharmacy, and remote kind of patient interaction. The reason I say it differently than just remote patient monitoring is because there's a lot more to it than that.

But those are really the areas that we're hyper focused on to try to bring to our consumers because that's the areas that our consumers have expressed the most interest in, really is just that convenience to make their life easier. And thankfully, as Tim said, we've built a lot of our infrastructure around kind of getting a hold of people and those adherence play. So, we believe we can do that in a really efficient kind of cash flow with high margins.

Tim Danker -- Chief Executive Officer

Yeah. One last point to add to Bob's great points, I mean, one of the great advantages that we have is this level of connectivity with our MA customers. That has been the story of of SelectRx. There's other things that we can do there, but we were able to do that at very low incremental marketing cost we referenced in the prepared materials today.

Our rev to CAC at -- for the full year at over 4x. We think that's really compelling. We think there's a lot more that we can do there, and we can do that in a very capital-efficient manner.

Jonathan Y. -- Credit Suisse -- Analyst

Great. Thanks.

Operator

Our next question comes from Daniel Grosslight with Citigroup. Your line is open.

Daniel Grosslight -- Citi -- Analyst

Hi. Thanks for taking the question, and congrats on another strong quarter here. On the fiscal '24 guidance, it's a pretty wide range at this point, which I know is not unusual for you guys, given just all the volatility in the market. But I'd love to hear your thoughts on some of the puts and takes that would drive you to the bottom and top end of both the top and bottom lines on the guidance.

Tim Danker -- Chief Executive Officer

Yeah. Great. Great question, Daniel. Thanks for joining this morning.

First, we're really pleased with how '23 played out. We felt like the strategic redesign really showed up on our operational financial results. Broadly speaking, we plan to run the same playbook in '24. We think it's worked really well, and we think overall that our guidance range properly reflects variables such as the '24 MA plan designs that have yet to be released.

That's one factor that we continue to evaluate and will get more visibility, too. But I think as the '23 results demonstrate, we built a very nimble model, one that's able to adapt in real time should there be an attractive situation that presents itself. We feel like we did that in '23. We can capture those efficiencies, but hopefully, that gives you a sense of how we're thinking about the guide.

Daniel Grosslight -- Citi -- Analyst

Yep, yep, got it. And as we think about '24 and really productivity and revenue per -- revenue to CAC ratio, do you think we'll see that stabilize in '24 around the core senior segment? Or is there more juice to squeeze there? And I'm thinking in particular, just given some of the more onerous marketing rules that will come into play in '24, how we should think about productivity, marketing efficiency for this upcoming AEP?

Tim Danker -- Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, sure. Great question. I'll comment and ask Bob to add on to it. I think from a agent perspective, as we indicated on the call, we feel really good there.

We -- we've done all of our hiring earlier this summer. Our agents are onboarding, ramping, and training mode. I feel very good about that as we indicated on our two prior earnings releases. Like we've made these investments in our core tenured agent force, and we're running the business in a more kind of year-round fashion.

We've had very low agent attrition, and so we feel very good on that front. On a marketing perspective, again, take a very small victory lap. Our marketing costs were down I think about 34% year over year and contributed to about two-thirds of the nearly $300 of operating expense per policy leverage that we picked up in the year. We're going to continue down the path of refined segmentation on marketing, very disciplined around cost.

And we would expect for that to play through with respect to, I think, the last comment you made on CMS and some of the rules that came out maybe most notably the 48-hour rule. Our viewpoints haven't really changed from the last time we spoke with you and others. We feel that we're very close -- dialogue with our carrier partners. We don't see a material impact to that with the business moving forward.

Bob, any other comments on other levers as we think about fiscal '24 for the senior business?

Bob Grant -- President, Senior Segment

Yeah. You know, I'm going to kind of double down on Tim's statements on the retention. You know, not only has it been good, it's really been our record retention of agents, especially our higher-level agents. You know what that gives us coming into this AEP is the most level 1 agents we've ever had, the highest percentage of core agents we've ever had, even more than last year through our strategic redesign, this year will be even higher.

And we feel really, really good about that -- where we are. And I think we've been really open in the past that having tenured agents, especially level 1, gives us a huge leg up on close rates and just predictability. And those things -- which is why we had gone through the strategic redesign, I think, it really gives us a huge win for AEP coming in. And we feel really good about that.

Daniel Grosslight -- Citi -- Analyst

Yeah. Good to hear. And last one for me, just on cash flow. Good to hear that you're going to be kind of approaching breakeven on operating cash flow for fiscal '24.

Just curious how you're thinking about capital deployment and really how you're thinking about the debt. You've got more than a year left on until you're going to see a maturity there. But just curious how you're thinking about the debt potential refinancing. And then on the asset coverage ratio, that bumps up to around 1.8 times by the end of the next fiscal year -- by the end of fiscal '24, which would imply you would need -- assuming you don't pay down a bunch of debt, around 1.2 billion of commissions receivable.

Are you comfortable with that asset coverage coming in?

Ryan Clement -- Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, that's a great question. With respect to operating cash, so obviously, it's a key area of focus for the organization. We had a really fantastic 2023, kind of [Inaudible] cash even to breakeven, significantly beat that with $72 million. And actually, you know, setting aside healthcare services, would have been positive.

The investment in healthcare services would have been positive on a full-year basis in 2023. As you mentioned, expect to be approaching operating cash flow breakeven in 2024. It is -- it's what we're managing toward. It is the next big key milestone for the business.

With respect to the -- the impending maturity, we're in regular dialogue with our term lenders. We absolutely recognize an opportunity to improve the overall capital structure and total cost of debt. So, I think that's -- first and foremost, it's a priority. It's something we're working on.

We do believe that there is a path to a lower cost. Business results have been very strong. And certainly, when you look at that paired with our cash position and a commission receivable balance that's remained steady, it really broadens the option set with respect to refinancing and facilitates discussions with our existing lenders. So, those certainly bode well and help with the cause.

With respect to the covenant in Q4 of 2024, we've recently worked with our term lenders on amendment on that. So, we do have clear runway. Our fiscal 2024 plan, we have adequate cash and liquidity that's [Inaudible] against it. And from a compliance perspective, you know, we feel good about where we sit relative to the amendment that's been put in place.

Daniel Grosslight -- Citi -- Analyst

Got it. Thanks for the color.

Operator

Our next question comes from Ben Hendrix with RBC. Your line is open.

Ben Hendrix -- RBC Capital Markets -- Analyst

Thank you. Just a quick question on your growth expectations in senior. Your growth slowed 13% this year, and I think you said 25% expected in guidance. Just wanted to get your sense of how you're thinking about a run rate for the industry and for you guys going forward.

And if the extent to which there is influence there from expectation we've heard from carriers of this being increased shopping year this year, should we expect that 25% to moderate as we go forward? Or how are you thinking about the go-forward run rate and growth?

Tim Danker -- Chief Executive Officer

Yeah. I'll be happy to answer your first question and maybe have Bob talk about the second one. Certainly here, we operate a large market, and if you really look at healthcare, an even bigger market. Ben, we're really focused on delivering high-quality business for our carrier partners, driving attractive returns.

We certainly felt like we did that in '23. And ultimately, we're going to prioritize profitability and cash flow and take any extra volume that might fall through to the bottom line through the efficiency of the model. I think last year, we guided to a 35% to 45% pullback and ended up with the pullback only being 13%. So, I think that shows you what's possible in the model.

Also, make a note that when you think about growth, growth and market share is not all created equal. If you look at what we did from a senior perspective, we had 26% margins. You also need to tack on that additional benefit of SelectRx that came at very low marketing cost. And I think that right -- kind of underscores the power of our model, and we'd really kind of point the market to the collective growth that's a combination of what we're doing on our senior business, coupled with our healthcare services and kind of a perspective on enterprise growth.

Bob, to Ben's second question?

Bob Grant -- President, Senior Segment

Yeah, we try to be very I'd say balanced and measured coming into AEP and what our expectations of of close rates will be. And to the point that the carriers have made on increased shopping, we believe we've attracted a really sticky customer this year given what the focus has been on, which again, is kind of a demographic that we bring on. And historically, increased shopping has been a windfall for us or a good guy for us -- tailwind, I should say, sorry -- as far as is what we see, especially if those D-SNPs do kind of take shape and we see that that group, the one that shops more, especially if they're not on a special needs plan today and they're eligible to get on one. So, I think, when you look at what we've done, we are being very measured on our approach toward what we expect, but there could be some tailwinds to that if what the carriers are saying plays out, especially toward the demographics we attract.

Ben Hendrix -- RBC Capital Markets -- Analyst

Thank you. And in your prepared remarks, you alluded to changes in lead targeting strategies. I'm just wondering if there's any lessons learned from 2023 that are informing your 2024 strategies and how we expect kind of lead generation and targeting to evolve for next year.

Tim Danker -- Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, sure. Great question, Ben. You know, broadly in terms of the market, we do think the market environment has continued to be favorable. Kind of the rationalization that we've seen in the industry over the past two years has created a favorable backdrop.

But I think most importantly, kudos to our entire operational team who's done a great job with respect to marketing segmentation, target marketing, the cost discipline, everything that we've done internally and with our partners to just demand higher quality and find it's a very big market. And so, we really feel like we're finding that sweet spot. So, by and large, we're going to continue with the approach that we had in '23. I think we'll also have an eye to kind of the pull-through economics we get on our healthcare services business.

That's very powerful for us, and we highlighted the rev to CAC at over for 4X. And increasingly, that's the way we're thinking about the business. We certainly demand, as investors should, solid unit margins and profitability for senior, and we think we delivered that, and we expect to continue to deliver that. But we also got to look at the platform more broadly in the way that we target marketing with respect to how it will benefit consumers on the healthcare side of the equation.

So, you're starting to see some visibility to that, and I think that will continue to inform our marketing approach moving forward.

Ben Hendrix -- RBC Capital Markets -- Analyst

Thank you.

Tim Danker -- Chief Executive Officer

Thank you, Ben.

Operator

This concludes our Q & A. I'll now hand it back to Tim Danker, CEO, for closing remarks.

Tim Danker -- Chief Executive Officer

Yeah. Thank you all again for joining us this morning. I'll close by underscoring what is really clear to us but maybe not as clear to the market. SelectQuote's diversified platform is much more valuable than what is really perceived as a stand-alone Medicare distribution business.

We see that. Our carriers see that. We think, undoubtedly, our policyholders see that. So, our priority is to realize value, not just for our core senior business, but for what SelectQuote represents as a broader information hub and facilitator for how healthcare services are delivered, administered, and covered.

We believe we're uniquely positioned to be the accelerant of that change, and we plan to emphatically prove to our shareholders there is significant unrecognized value in our company. We're very look forward to talking with you more about this opportunity on future calls. Thank you again for your time.

Operator

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Call participants:

Matt Gunter -- Investor Relations

Tim Danker -- Chief Executive Officer

Ryan Clement -- Chief Financial Officer

Jonathan Y. -- Credit Suisse -- Analyst

Bob Grant -- President, Senior Segment

Daniel Grosslight -- Citi -- Analyst

Ben Hendrix -- RBC Capital Markets -- Analyst

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