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DATE

Wednesday, Aug. 6, 2025, at 5:30 p.m. ET

CALL PARTICIPANTS

  • Chairman and Chief Executive Officer — Ron Clarke
  • Chief Financial Officer — Peter Walker
  • SVP, Investor Relations — Jim Eglseder

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RISKS

  • Lodging segment organic revenue declined 2% year over year, due to persistent softness in emergency and airline room demand, with management stating, "We don't expect organic revenue to improve in the second half."
  • Company explicitly acknowledged, "if you looked over the longer history [of Lodging] ... the thing was growing ... 15%, 20% year after year. ... We did some bumbling. We took a huge divot that we're digging out of," flagging continued operational underperformance in Lodging and indicating, "if we don't, we will not be in it long term."

TAKEAWAYS

  • Print Revenue-- $1.102 billion, up 13% (non-GAAP), with a favorable FX environment partly offset by weaker Lodging and fewer gift card shipments.
  • Adjusted EPS-- $5.13 cash EPS (non-GAAP), up 13%; on a constant macro basis, up 17% (non-GAAP).
  • Organic Revenue Growth-- Organic revenue growth was 11%, a 2% sequential increase in organic revenue growth over Q1.
  • Segment Performance-- Vehicle payment segment organic revenue grew 9%. Corporate payment segment delivered 18% organic revenue growth; Lodging segment organic revenue declined 2% year over year.
  • Sales Growth-- Sales finished up 31%.
  • Customer Retention-- Retention reached 92.3%, the highest level attained in recent periods.
  • Same-Store Sales-- Remained essentially flat, with no significant changes expected for the remainder of the year.
  • Updated Guidance-- Full-year revenue guidance (non-GAAP) increased to $4.445 billion and adjusted EPS (non-GAAP) to $21.06 for the full year; organic revenue growth range updated to 9%-11% for fiscal 2025 due to Lodging weakness.
  • Q3 Outlook-- Midpoint print revenue (non-GAAP) guided to $1.165 billion (+13%) for Q3, adjusted EPS (non-GAAP) guidance at $5.60 (+12%) for Q3.
  • Payables Business-- A newly implemented enterprise client reached $1 billion in spend in July 2025; multiple new accounts are in the pipeline with potential for further acceleration.
  • Cross-Border Expansion-- Cross-border business now serves four segments, including FIs, institutional asset managers, and digital asset providers; The new MCA (multicurrency account) product achieved 10,000 accounts and $1 billion in deposits within its first year, as of July 2025.
  • M&A Developments-- Paymarang and GPS acquisitions are on track or outperforming in fiscal 2025, with Paymarang on track to double EBITDA this year. ZapPay Gringo and Cardet Brazil grew combined revenue over 50% in the first half of 2025; Alpha acquisition ($2.2 billion enterprise value) anticipated to be accretive by at least $0.50 in 2026 on a non-GAAP basis. Two noncore vehicle divestitures expected to yield over $1.15 billion in net proceeds if completed.
  • Operating Expenses-- Rose 15% to $623 million, including $32 million of the year-over-year increase was due to the net impact of acquisitions and divestitures compared with Q2 of last year; the remainder was driven by higher transaction volumes, sales activities, and one-time M&A deal fees and integration expenses.
  • Adjusted EBITDA Margin-- Adjusted EBITDA margin was 56.3%; consistent with prior year.
  • Leverage Ratio-- 2.53x leverage ratio; $3.5 billion of cash and revolver availability provides flexibility to fund growth, including the Alpha acquisition.
  • Share Repurchases-- $32 million spent on buybacks linked to employee option exercises.

SUMMARY

Corpay(CPAY -0.02%) management raised full-year guidance, attributing the increase mainly to improved FX (non-GAAP), while reaffirming disciplined expense management and continued deleveraging. The corporate payments segment is expected to reach $2 billion in revenue and represent over 40% of the company by 2026, reflecting a portfolio rotation strategy toward higher-growth categories. Enterprise client wins and the successful launch of the MCA account product were named as structurally significant contributors to future topline growth. The Alpha acquisition is expected to enhance cross-border capabilities, with partnership and divestiture activity aimed at focusing resources on fewer, higher-revenue businesses. Operating expense inflation was largely attributed to integration and growth investments supporting recent M&A and commercial wins.

  • Ron Clarke emphasized, "Progress repositioning the company towards corporate payments ... should extend the company's runway for years."
  • Peter Walker reported, "Spend volume was just over $58 billion in Q2, which puts us on pace to be well north of $200 billion annually."
  • Lodging segment recovery remains weak, with no improvement expected in the second half, and management stated, "it's not working the way we want."
  • The company called out record cross-border sales, driven by international markets, as North American volumes trailed due to tariff-related macro volatility.
  • Retention improvement was attributed to client mix shifts in Corporate Payments and Vehicle segments, with larger enterprise accounts contributing to higher stability.
  • Disciplined capital allocation remains a central commitment, with Ron Clarke stating dividend/repurchase spending will balance opportunistically between buying businesses and buying the stock back, dependent on the deal pipeline and market valuation.

INDUSTRY GLOSSARY

  • MCA (Multicurrency Account): A deposit account product enabling clients to hold and transact in multiple currencies under a unified platform, facilitating cross-border payments.
  • Pillar Two: OECD-driven global minimum tax regime effective 2025, requiring implementation of a 15% minimum effective tax rate across jurisdictions.
  • Paymarang: Acquired accounts payable automation and payment firm supporting domestic and enterprise payables growth for the corporate payment segment.
  • GPS: Recently-acquired cross-border payments company now integrated into Corpay's international payment solutions.
  • ZapPay Gringo/Cardet: Corpay-acquired Brazilian companies providing digital vehicle registration, ticket payment, and alerting services comprising a new, high-growth category in its Vehicle Payment segment.

Full Conference Call Transcript

Jim Eglseder: Good afternoon, and thank you for joining us today on our earnings call to discuss the second quarter 2025 results. With me today are Ron Clarke, our Chairman and CEO, and Peter Walker, our CFO. Following the prepared comments, the operator will announce that the queue will open for the Q&A session. Today's documents, including our earnings release and supplement, can be found under the Investor Relations section on our website at corpay.com. Throughout this call, we will be covering several non-GAAP financial measures, including revenues, net income, and net income per diluted share, all on an adjusted basis. We will also discuss organic revenue growth.

This metric neutralizes the impact of year-over-year changes in FX rates, fuel prices, and fuel spreads. It also includes pro forma results for acquisitions and divestitures or scope changes closed during the two years being compared. These measures are not calculated in accordance with GAAP and may be calculated differently than at other companies. Reconciliations of the non-GAAP to GAAP information can be found in today's press release and on our website. It's important to understand that our comments may include forward-looking statements, which reflect the information we have currently. All statements about our outlook, expected macro environment, new products, business development expectations, future acquisitions, or synergies are based on that information.

They are not guarantees of future performance, and you should not put undue reliance upon them. We undertake no obligation to update any of these statements. These expected results are also subject to numerous uncertainties and risks, which could cause actual results to differ materially from what we expect. Some of those risks are mentioned in today's press release and Form 8-Ks and in our annual report on Form 10-K. These documents are available on our website and at sec.gov. Now I'll turn over the call to Ron Clarke, our Chairman and CEO. Ron?

Ron Clarke: Okay, Jim. Thanks. Good afternoon, everyone, and thanks for joining our Q2 2025 earnings call. With me today here is Peter Walker, our new CFO, joining his first earnings call with us. I am hopeful that you'll get an opportunity to interact with Peter over the coming weeks. At the top here, I'll plan to cover three subjects. First, provide my take on Q2 results along with the rest of the year forecast. Second, I'll provide a brief update on our 2025 top priorities. And then lastly, provide a bit of an update on our M&A activities. Okay. Let me begin with our Q2 results.

We reported Q2 print revenue of $1.102 billion, up 13%, and cash EPS of $5.13, also up 13%. Cash EPS would be up 17% on a constant macro basis. The Q2 results were really right in line with our expectations, both in terms of revenue and profits. We did enjoy a bit more favorable Q2 macro than expected, but that was mostly offset by both weaker lodging performance and fewer gift card shipments than we had planned, really landing us right back at our Q2 revenue target of $1.1 billion. Q2 overall organic revenue growth was 11% in the quarter, up 2% sequentially from Q1.

Inside of that, the vehicle payment segment grew 9%, our corporate payment segment grew 18% in the quarter, and our Lodging segment declined 2% year over year. Trends in Q2 were quite good. Q2 sales finished up 31%, on the back of 36% growth in Q4, and 35% in Q1. So, three consecutive quarters of 30% plus sales and bookings growth. Again, we think the best indicator of demand. Retention in the quarter ticked up to 92.3%, the highest level we've seen in quite some time. Same-store sales were essentially flat in the quarter. So, in summary, Q2 really finished right on expectations.

We did enjoy accelerating vehicle payments revenue growth, continued high teens corporate payments revenue growth, and, again, really solid fundamental trends. Okay. Let me make the turn to our rest of year guidance. So, updated full-year 2025 guidance today is mostly unchanged. After Q1, we provided $4.42 billion in revenue and $21 of cash EPS at the midpoint. Today, we're inching up full-year revenue by $25 million to $4.445 billion and full-year cash EPS to $21.06. Our second-half outlook does reflect a bit more positive macro, particularly more favorable FX. Some of that will be offset by continued lodging revenue softness, resulting in $25 million of incremental print revenue. Most everything else in the second half is tracking to plan.

We do expect our second-half vehicle segment revenue growth to reach 10%. So, hallelujah. Inside of that, our US vehicle growth is accelerating to mid-single digits. Outlook and corporate payments are expected to report high teens organic revenue growth for the full year. This updated guidance would imply full-year print revenue growth of 12% and full-year organic revenue growth of 10%. Okay. I'll transition now to our 2025 top priorities, which are intended to first simplify the company so that it's easier to manage and understand, and then second, to better position the company for the long term.

First priority, the portfolio working hard here to have fewer, bigger businesses, rotating the portfolio to more corporate payments with the recent Avid and Alpha announcements. We are expecting the corporate payments segment to reach $2 billion in revenue and represent over 40% of the company next year. Second priority, USA sales. We're now live in the market with our new Corpay brand advertising that targets CFOs now with our entire solution set. We do have some impressive sales momentum, a streak of three straight quarters with 30% plus sales and bookings growth. Third priority, payables. We have successfully implemented the new enterprise client, which I spoke about.

That client has reached $1 billion in spend in the month of July. So, now in search of our next enterprise client. Additionally, we have just launched our Corpay Complete payables tech platform in the UK, bringing those capabilities now into the international arena. Fourth priority is cross-border. We have successfully extended our cross-border business to now serve four market segments, as you can see on page 15 in the supplement. We've moved beyond our original core business, serving just middle-market corporate accounts, to now also serving FIs. More aggressively now with the Mastercard partnership, we're serving and plan to serve more institutional asset managers as a result of the Alpha acquisition.

We're beginning to serve digital asset and stablecoin providers like Circle and Ripple with our on and off-ramp services. Super excited about the Circle partnership we announced earlier. It should give us a fast start in the space. In terms of products in cross-border, our new MCA multicurrency account product is off to a terrific start. We've got 10,000 accounts live now from zero a year ago, and we've reached $1 billion in deposits in July. Clearly, one of the best new product launches of the company. Overall, we're making terrific progress transforming the company into some faster growth categories and across more geographies. It should extend the company's runway for years. Alright.

Last subject up, let me cover the progress on the M&A front, beginning with our 2024 acquisitions. So, Paymarang, an AV automation and payment company acquired last July, is on track to double EBITDA this year. It also extends the verticals that our core payables business can serve. GPS, a cross-border company acquired in December, is performing quite well. We have shuttered the GPS IT infrastructure and are also seeing the GPS sales or bookings double from the same sales group as a result of them being in our system. Lastly, the ZapPay Gringo Brazil card debt companies are growing literally like crazy.

The combined revenue of those two businesses in the first half is growing over 50% versus the prior year. Additionally, we've cross-sold about $4 million of Cardet alerts services to our existing Sempra client base. So, really an exciting new vehicle payments category to ride. We're advancing our two newest partnerships, Mastercard and Avid. Both of those investments are tracking towards a Q4 closing. The Mastercard partnerships are out of the blocks. Both companies, we believe, take any opportunity seriously. We've held a number of senior-level planning sessions and are literally in the market now with our initial set of prospect calls.

Avid, our Avid take-private investment, has now cleared HSR and is still expecting TPG, again, tracking to close in Q4. The Avid transaction is expected to be accretive to earnings in 2026. Alpha, again, just recently announced our agreement to acquire Alpha, the European cross-border for $2.2 billion enterprise value. Couldn't be more excited about the addition of Alpha's global alternative bank account solution. As you might recall, that targets institutional asset managers. We think it will be quite interesting to the tier two FI partners, which we can accelerate via the Mastercard partnership. We are reaffirming again that the Alpha acquisition will be at least 50¢ accretive in 2026. Lastly, on the M&A front, noncore divestitures.

We have formally teed up two noncore vehicle divestiture candidates. We've hired investment bankers and expect to launch post-Labor Day. Both of these are very good businesses and are divestiture candidates because of their relatedness or lack thereof nonperformance. We're hopeful that the net proceeds from these couple of businesses will exceed $1.15 billion if we can successfully transact. So, look, all of this recent M&A activity is intended to go deeper, not wider, and, again, result in fewer, bigger businesses. So, look, in conclusion today, the story of 2025 is that we plan to basically finish where we started out the year. Approximately $4.4 billion in revenue, approximately $21 of cash EPS.

We do expect a bit more favorable macro, but a bit weaker lodging business. The vehicle segment is really tracking the plan and expected to accelerate to 10% here in the second half. The corporate payments business is continuing to rock, outlooking high teens growth for the full year. Progress, again, a lot of progress repositioning the company towards corporate payments. Again, in the payables segment, we've added this upmarket enterprise opportunity, again, also taking that business internationally to the UK. In cross-border, our new MCA product looks like a hit. We've also added three really brand new customer segments to serve, the FIs, the institutional asset managers, and now here most the digital asset providers via these new partnerships.

So, look, these moves go a long way to extend the runway and potential of the company. So with that, let me turn the call back over to Peter. He'll provide some additional detail on the quarter and outlook. Peter?

Peter Walker: Ron, and good afternoon, everyone. I'm thrilled to join Corpay during such an exciting time. The last several weeks have been super busy and a great opportunity to learn the business and meet the team. I look forward to meeting more of our investors and analysts soon. I'm impressed by the exceptional talent and high-caliber capabilities that support the organization. Corpay has a proven track record of generating top-line and bottom-line growth, and I'm excited to dig in and drive the company forward to achieve our objectives. Now on to some additional details about the quarter. As Ron mentioned, Q2 print revenue of $1.102 billion was just above the midpoint of our guide.

In the quarter, our print revenue benefited from a favorable FX environment partially offset by weakness in our lodging business. Print revenue increased 13% year over year, driven by organic revenue growth of 11%, a 500 basis point improvement over the prior year. Q2 adjusted EPS of $5.13 per share increased 13% over the prior year due to strong top-line performance paired with solid expense management. Adjusted EPS grew 17% over the prior year on a constant macro basis. The headline for the quarter is double-digit top and bottom-line growth, excellent organic growth, all while maintaining strong margins.

We've also produced significant sales growth this year, which will fuel our business over the balance of the year and into next year. All of this puts us halfway down the path to delivering both the revenue and profit targets laid out back in February. Turning now to our segment performance and the underlying drivers of revenue growth. Corporate payments delivered 18% organic revenue growth for the quarter, with similar results in the payables and cross-border businesses. Overall, the performance was driven by growth in spend volumes, which increased 36% on a reported basis and was up 19% organically.

Spend volume was just over $58 billion in Q2, which puts us on pace to be well north of $200 billion annually. The payables business continues to perform, driven by strong execution on Paymarang synergies and solid progress implementing and ramping enterprise customers. We remain confident and excited about the future of the business and are laser-focused on customer acquisition. Cross-border sales were excellent in the quarter, setting a new record high. While there is little incremental clarity on US trade policy and tariffs, the global coverage and nature of our business is such that markets outside of North America are doing quite well and made up for some softness in North America.

There is no shortage of opportunity in cross-border regardless of the macro backdrop. Vehicle payments delivered 9% organic revenue growth for the quarter, our third quarter in a row delivering high single-digit organic growth, and a 400 basis point increase over the prior year. U.S. Vehicle Payments Organic Revenue Growth Turned Positive In The Quarter. A Significant Improvement Over Prior Year. This Was Driven By Improved Sales Production, Applications And Approvals, Onboarding New Customers, And Stronger Retention. Brazil and international vehicle payments continued to perform well. In Brazil, the combination of 7% tag growth in our extended network, including the car debt offering is driving the strong results.

International vehicle payments continues to deliver consistent results driven by strong sales and performance across The UK, Europe and ANZ. The vehicle payment segment is tracking to 10% organic growth in the second half of this year. Lodging organic revenue was down 2% for the quarter. Room nights decreased 1% as lower emergency services and airline rooms offset some improvement in workforce. We feel good about the progress we've made here to position the business for the future, but the recovery is yet to show through in a meaningful way. We don't expect organic revenue to improve in the second half.

The other segment was up 18% as the gift business generated significant year over year growth from new gift card orders delivered in the quarter. Given the pent up demand due to new regulations to upgrade gift card packaging to reduce fraud, we expect continued strong gift card performance in Q3. In summary, we delivered 11% organic growth in Q2 and are pleased with the continued strong high teens corporate payments organic growth. And all other segments delivering significant year over year organic revenue growth improvement. Now looking further down the income statement.

Second quarter operating expenses of $623 million increased 15% compared to Q2 of last year. $32 million of the increase was due to the net impact of acquisitions and divestitures compared with Q2 of last year. Excluding the M and A activity, and normalizing for lower FX rates, operating expenses increased 9% versus Q2 of last year. The increase in operating expense was driven by higher transaction volumes, sales activities to drive growth and onetime M and A deal fees and integration related expenses. The increase would be 7% if we exclude add backs. Our adjusted EBITDA margin was 56.3% relatively consistent with the prior year.

Our adjusted effective tax rate for the quarter was 27.7%, The increase in the rate was driven by discrete tax item pillar two, and a change in the mix of earnings. Pillar two is effective in 2025 and resulted in multiple jurisdictions implementing a minimum tax rate of 15%. Onto the balance sheet. We ended the quarter in excellent shape, continuing to delever and resulting in a leverage ratio of 2.53 times. We have over $3.5 billion of cash and revolver availability, which gives us ample flexibility in how we fund our growth, including our recently announced Alpha acquisition. Capital deployment in the quarter was again limited as we prepared our checkbook for transactions.

We did spend $32 million on share buybacks associated with employee option exercises. Continue to work on noncore divestitures, including the recent announcement that we are divesting one of our legacy private label fuel card portfolios that will free up a $100 million of capital. Executing on noncore divestitures will bring focus to our portfolio of businesses and provide additional capacity in preparation for closing the Alpha transaction in Q4. So now some updates and details on our Q3 and full year outlook. We're increasing our full year 2025 revenue guidance to $4.445 billion at the midpoint representing growth of 12% primarily driven by the continued benefit of improved foreign exchange in the back half of the year.

We are also increasing our adjusted EPS guidance to $21.06 per share at the midpoint, representing growth of 11% as a result of our slight Q2 beat and continued expense discipline in the second half of the year. Our organic revenue growth range is updated to 9% to 11% due to the expected weaker performance in our lodging segment that I mentioned earlier. For the third quarter, we expect print revenue of $1.165 billion at the midpoint, representing growth of 13% and adjusted EPS of $5.6 per share at the midpoint, representing growth of 12%. We provided additional details regarding our rest of year and third quarter outlook in our press release and earnings supplement. This concludes our prepared remarks.

Operator, please open the line for questions.

Operator: Thank you. To ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. You may remove yourself from the queue at any time by pressing star two. And once again, that is star one to ask a question. We'll take our first question from Andrew Jeffrey with William Blair. Please go ahead.

Andrew Jeffrey: Hi, guys. I appreciate taking the question. I guess I wanted to dig in a little bit on corporate payments. It seems like you've built in and are building certainly one of the most complete vertically integrated tech stacks in the market. And when we think about GPS and the very strong sales and the pending acquisition of Alpha and very good performance, could, as we think to 2026-2027, that organic revenue growth could even accelerate from these levels? Or how are you framing that as you plan out over the next couple of years?

Ron Clarke: Hey, Andrew. It's Ron. It's a good question. So, yeah, pretty pleased with the setup. So I think it'll be mostly a function of what we elect to spend. I think we've told you before we try to design businesses to grow at a certain rate based on the sales and investment, which has been high in that business, which is why it's high teens. So I don't want to get out over my skis, but I'd say assuming that we continue to pour money into that, these incremental segments should be additive. So, again, that business will finish high teens this year. I think if we spend enough, we could probably tick that up another couple of points.

Again, we don't overspend where things become unproductive. But the width of the thing, I think, creates even more runway. Would be my headline. I think the diversity of the segments, right, not just end accounts, but banks, the asset class, the new digital players, that to me, that's the super attraction is really the diversity of the client base going forward.

Andrew Jeffrey: That helpful. It's pretty exciting to watch. And then just on the Circle deal, which I think is also notable, are they going to be both a customer using on-ramp and off-ramp and you're going to be a customer of theirs or a distribution partner of theirs in terms of incorporating USDC into your MCA product?

Ron Clarke: Yes. That's the concept. It's kind of a reciprocal partnership. So they've got, as you know, the currency, the rails, the blockchain, and even the wallet. So we'll plan to use that in certain use cases. And then just what you said, that we would help them in certain geographies on an off-ramp. So, yep, that's the whole idea.

Andrew Jeffrey: Okay. Excellent. Peter, look forward to working with you. Welcome to Corpay.

Peter Walker: Thanks, Andrew.

Operator: Our next question comes from Darrin Peller with Wolfe Research. Please go ahead.

Darrin Peller: Guys, thanks. Maybe we could just hit on the US vehicle acceleration and just to help us understand what underpins the acceleration that you're anticipating into the second half. And just to hit on whether it contemplates the BP portfolio to you guys. Thanks.

Ron Clarke: Hey, Darrin. It's Ron. So, yeah, the couple of drivers of that thing getting a bit better in the second half are retention, which we can see sequentially in the report that I'm looking at. So, for example, Q2 of this year versus Q2 of the prior year, the retention's up about 130 basis points. We're out looking at the inch up a bit more as we head into Q3 and Q4. So fewer businesses will fall away this second half than did last year. And then number two, it's the sales are better. Specifically, we have a couple of big elephants like Gas Buddy.

I think we did announce that back in the spring, which is a pretty big account. And Amazon. That were both sold a while ago. They're kind of beefing up volumes in the second half. So it's really just super basic, you know, incremental volume through those new sales and better retention.

Darrin Peller: Okay. Ron, that helps. Thanks. Just a quick follow-up on the corporate payment side. Just the contribution of the enterprise domestic payables client to the corporate payment segment, was there anything there? And then just what were the underlying signs in the segment from a same-store sales activity? Just how's activity from either domestic or international AP payments as well, if you don't mind? Again, guys. Nice job.

Ron Clarke: Yeah. Let me take the first part. Maybe Peter can take the second one. It's crazy exciting there to me that, you know, I think we mentioned this the first time, whatever, ninety days ago that we contracted that account at the end of the year. And literally went live and literally moved a billion dollars of spend. I hope people heard that. In the month of July. And I'm looking at saying, as we finish the Halloween month, to be at about $1.5 billion in spend for the month of October. So it's a super big contributor to volume.

Obviously, the monetization of the rate's not as good as the rest of the spend, but still, you know, super contribution and profit. I think the key to the thing is really the extensibility now. Now that we've learned, we can go to, like, super duper big enterprise accounts through some of these relationships. Can we get in the pipeline? We've got a few accounts in the pipeline. Can we get more accounts like this big enterprise to fall, which, again, will create some acceleration in that business. So super pleased with it. You want to take the same-store sales?

Peter Walker: Yeah. So, hey, Darrin. Nice to meet you. I think same-store sales was what is our expectation for the rest of the year you're looking for.

Darrin Peller: Just what you're seeing in the underlying trends right now more than anything else. In the last quarter and then into this quarter coming up.

Peter Walker: Yes. So for the total same-store sales, relatively flat year over year, and that's what we've assumed for the rest of the year.

Ron Clarke: Yeah. Hey, Darrin. It's Ron. I'm just looking at the page. If you're on corporate payments, it's, let's see here. For the period, it's basically pretty steady as she goes over the last few quarters. No big change in same-store sales. So, again, all the incremental, the growth rate is really just on the ad side. Losses have actually improved to spend. They're 100 basis points better than a year ago, even in that business. So, really, the math there is the sales just massively outpacing the losses and same-store sales steady.

Darrin Peller: That's great to hear. Alright. Very helpful, Ron. Thanks, guys. Thanks. Thanks for the cheerleading again on this space.

Operator: We'll take our next question from Tien-Tsin Huang with JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

Tien-Tsin Huang: Thanks so much, Peter. Welcome to the call. Just on the lodging side, I'm just curious about the visibility there and what could turn out differently than what you're forecasting, either on the upside or the downside. I'm sure you've got some plans, I assume, to reenergize growth as well? Not us, you?

Ron Clarke: No. No plans. Yeah. On the downside, a couple of things. One is, which is kind of weird, to wish for maybe worse weather, but probably half of the softness in the second half versus what we thought back at the turn of the year is basically in what we call kind of the emergency or distressed segment, which shows up for us in, like, the FEMA contract. Right? When people run out to a location. Or in our airline business when people get stranded and have to hurry into a hotel room. So that's about half of it, that's run softer. And so we're just outlooking it softer. I mean, between us, who knows?

But I didn't want to make up a number that's better. And then the other one I have is just the sales aren't good enough. I said it before. The positive ear of the Rizetti is business has stabilized. That divot we had, you know, a year plus ago, as I had hoped, has stabilized back to the same-store sales. And now it's just what goes in the top versus what goes out the bottom. And so the second problem is we're just not selling enough and implementing enough new business. So, again, we built the plan six months ago. We thought implementations of that thing would be hot. I mean, quantum is nothing. Right?

It's a $100 and something million business per quarter you're talking about, you know, $2 or $3 million or something in that kind of a range. So when we say it's off of what we've got, it's to the company, it's not a material amount, but it's just not obviously, it's not working the way we want. The big again is super clear. It's mostly sales. Now that we've stabilized the base, we've got to put a bunch of product fixes in to make the product more competitive in the segment that we had problems with. So it's really just harping on the same thing. It's just getting the sales engine to fill the top so that thing turns positive.

I put more people in. I put a new sales leader in it in the spring, and so like you, we're going to keep an eye on it and kick at it a bit harder here. But, fortunately, 5% of the play is working. Right? Getting vehicle back. You know, the second hit to back to 10, I think it was probably four in Q3 or whatever, you know, Q2 last year. And keeping the corporate payments thing humming and expanded, I'm glad that the bigger section is working well.

Tien-Tsin Huang: Gotcha. And just my quick follow-up just on the divestitures, Ron. Just on the if you achieve your target EV, I'm assuming that you've got sounds like you have some target EV behind the billion and a half. Thinking about the earnings impact and how much flex you have and what you're thinking in achieving your goals there with the divestitures.

Ron Clarke: Yeah. It's a good question, Tien-Tsin. I mean, I think the headline I want to give is this is a different assignment than the last time around, right, with the gift business that we're looking at exiting, you know, what we would call good businesses, right, that are growing revenues and have futures and stuff, good futures. And so it's really just a function of the multiple. Right? We've laid out a target of kind of net proceeds. Obviously, we're not selling these assets at the multiples aren't, you know, in the teens. Right, against EBITDA. So we penciled out a model with things are, you know, kind of a push. They're not dilutive.

So we get out of they're kind of a push. We get the capital back to contribute to the Alpha deal. So I'd say it's obviously just a function of what prices we get. The assets. If we don't get a good enough price, we'll hold them because of good businesses.

Tien-Tsin Huang: Got it. Understood. Thank you. Talk to Tom.

Operator: We'll take our next question from Nate Svensson with Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.

Nate Svensson: Hey, guys. I know last quarter, we were talking a lot about tariffs. So I guess I'm just wondering if there was any impact to 2Q numbers from tariffs, any sort of pull forward, strength in the FX hedging business we talked about last quarter? Anything on volume impacts, and then I guess the related question in the prepared remarks, you called out record cross-border sales. And so I guess I'm just wondering, like, given how dynamic the environment is, is this actually helping the go-to-market motion and your value prop as your end consumer or your end companies that you're serving deal with an environment changing on a daily basis?

Ron Clarke: Yeah. Hey, Nate. It's Ron. It's a good question. I mean, I think the summary is it's a mixed bag. I think the tariff situation, uncertainty, whatever you want to call it, is landing differently on different companies, both geographically, like it's landing, you know, affected us more here in North America because of the early, you know, Canada, Mexico posture. So I think those geographies are still a bit softer for us than anticipated, whereas the UK and European and Asian side is stronger. And then second, I think it's just the individual companies. Some companies are super committed. They have to be international. They're figuring out ways to deal with it.

They're looking at risk management ways to deal with the thing. And then other companies are like, oh my god. It's freezing me. Maybe I should find different suppliers or target customers at different places. So there's not I don't think there's one, you know, across-the-board answer to it because it is uncertain. I mean, to your point, certainly, the just the volatility, if you will, of currencies is generally a help. We say it probably is a plus 10% in a period of time versus completely flat, you know, nonvolatile periods. But so I'd say we've gotten a little bit of help, but not a ton, and we're kind of out looking steady as she goes.

Some clients will like and come to the table. Others will wait. So again, the overall, kind of a mixed bag.

Nate Svensson: That's helpful. Thanks, Ron. For the follow-up, the ZAPE and Gringo growth really stood out. I think you classified it as growing like crazy, Ron. And, like, leaving aside currency fluctuations, the Brazil business has been a really strong performer. So maybe you could talk about more about some of the strength you're seeing there and kind of what's embedded in the vehicle payments acceleration of the US vehicle payments that we talked about earlier. And then maybe you could extend that topic to something we've touched on in the past. It's the broader consumer vehicle payment effort. So any update on how things are progressing in the UK, update on plans in the US, etcetera?

Ron Clarke: That's a load of let me start what I could remember the first one of hey, Zappi and Gringo growing like crazy. So, yes, I mean, I think the headline on that for everybody is the core business there, which we started with, you know, as a toll business, relies obviously on vehicles in Brazil running over toll roads, which call it is maybe 20 million of the 60 million vehicles registered there. Whereas this vehicle car debt thing, which is paying for tickets and doing annual registrations, is all 60 million. So you start with, you know, kind of three times the TAM in this business.

And then second, it's just super early days, like this digital idea of how to see you've got a ticket and pay for a ticket or register, you know, digitally on phone is like a super brand new way versus the old-fashioned way of going to a bank and stuff. And so the market share in the space is super early days. We estimate, you know, it's still under 5%. So when you put those two things together, it is just a runaway hit of the service that people there want, both businesses and consumers want. And so we are selling like an absent pile of it, and it's for sure helping the growth rate in Brazil.

So initially, our biggest focus was on Praso, which was also not bad. I think called out 4 million of those companies' services were sold back by our core business. But the great thing here is this is just an extended vehicle payment category that is just super attractive on its own. We've got a good position. It's early days. It's growing like a weed. Getting more profitable. So, you know, we're delighted, I want to report back that it's another super good acquisition for us. On the broader question of the consumer thing, I'd say still unknown.

I'd say, obviously, the Brazil experience, including the thing I just spoke to, is, you know, reaffirming that extending, you know, what one service is in the many is a work leader in Brazil. Not so much so far in the UK. I don't I wouldn't go maybe all the way to struggling, but I'd say it's a lot of hard work to get that thing stood up and get the first set of customers and stuff across. So we're continuing. I kind of put the group on the clock. Hey. Take the rest of the year. See if you can get this thing humming. If you can, I'm gonna read a full the capital. If you can, hey.

We'll stay with you. So I'd say we're still a work in progress on the UK side.

Nate Svensson: Thanks, Ron. I get paid by the question, so appreciate you obliging the multiparter.

Ron Clarke: You got it.

Operator: Our next question comes from Sanjay Sakhrani with KBW. Please go ahead.

Sanjay Sakhrani: Thanks. I guess I have a question for Peter, and Ron, maybe you too. You know, as we the growth is really strong and the setup for the second for vehicle and corporate payments, obviously, corporate payments with the enterprise relationship coming on in July. Looks good. But, you know, the fourth quarter is a pretty difficult comparison in terms of the growth rate. I mean, could you just talk about like the cadence of the growth? Like do we need to worry just about the fourth quarter growth rates? Just trying to think through all of that. Thanks.

Peter Walker: Yeah. So Sanjay, nice to meet you. So our belief we kind of look at the growth rates quarter over quarter on a print basis, right, delivered 13% this quarter. That's what we're projecting for Q3 and then just a tick up in Q4. So, again, pretty consistent on a per basis on growth rates. And then to your point, you know, vehicle payments, we expect them through 10% organic growth, and then payments to continue in that, you know, high teens arena.

Sanjay Sakhrani: Okay. So you expect the grow over to be just fine to the fourth quarter?

Peter Walker: We do.

Sanjay Sakhrani: Okay. Got it. And just maybe, Ron, a follow-up just on same-store sales. Obviously, ticked down a little bit. Just curious, like, is there anything that you're seeing from an economic standpoint that concerns you in terms and what can drive a reacceleration there? How much of that? I know you said you've kind of figured for flat same-store sales for the rest of the year, but just trying to think through what the puts and takes there are.

Ron Clarke: Yeah. It's a good question, Sanjay. We did study it, and you know, when you go from plus one, I don't think it's exactly zero. It's, like, plus point three or something like it is just such fine. I have the report set up in front of me across all the different categories, and there's literally barely anything moving. It's almost literally mass. So I wouldn't say hey. Take a lot away from that. You know? Hey. That it went from plus one? So yeah, there's no super duper trend in the thing, and I'm looking again across all the categories.

And they're mostly kind of tracking to where they've been over the prior four, you know, four or five quarters. But, you know, this whole, you know, housing economy, like, we're just we're not seeing anything again, significant on that front. I know we all keep looking, but I'd say whether it's in the fleet business or in the corporate payments, you know, the spend business or even in the Brazil business, there's nothing we see yet that's material that's given us concern around kind of the health of the clients.

Sanjay Sakhrani: Thank you.

Operator: Thank you. We'll take our next question from Ramsey El Assal with Barclays. Please go ahead.

Ramsey El Assal: Hi. Thank you for taking my question, and welcome to you, Peter. I wanted to ask about retention. It was another nice result in the quarter. And I'm not implying that necessarily this was the driver of that result, but given the structurally higher retention rates in corporate payments versus some of your other historical businesses, should we expect retention overall company retention rates to climb up over time just given the mix shift to corporate payments?

And then I guess the next logical step is, will that have an impact on driving some revenue acceleration as you don't have to churn, you know, replace so many clients to sort of churn through sort of longer-term questions, but just curious your perspective.

Ron Clarke: Yeah, Ramsey. That's quite it's Ron. That's quite an observant by use of the best retention in a while is really two things. The first thing that you called out, which is corporate payments mix being higher, and it's got a best-in-class retention rate. But the second one is the vehicle. Like, I'm looking at that. Better and particularly The US vehicle, and I think you know, it's an old song now, but it's super related to that pivot a couple of years ago of, you know, larger clients. And so life is about really the mix of small, medium to large clients in every business. Retention rates are dramatically higher with larger enterprise accounts than in smaller micro.

So those are the two mixed things that are happening. Yes. On your second question of the structure given those two things, if the vehicle business keeps acquiring a higher mix of bigger clients and corporate payments keeps growing. Should it should it go up? Yeah. But I'd moderate you, I would say, that's not the magic. You know, let's use 7% not to hurt our head. Hey, as you think about the mix over the next years, could you maybe get a point? Could you get seven to go to six? Remember, half the losses are us. Cutting clients off. Right?

People who don't pay credit issues, mergers, bank, you know, stuff going on that really they're not going somewhere else or quitting us. So the number is really small. And although I, you know, constantly beat our guys up, hey. Give me a point of retention. If I'm trying to get 10 or 12% growth rate to gain in sales, I just don't want you guys to miss that. Obviously, we have to hold this and try to improve it. But the key to this company's long-term growth is really a top of the funnel more than inching this thing up a point.

Ramsey El Assal: Got it. Got it. Thank you. A quick follow-up on gift. I know it's noncore, but Q3, I know there's this reissuance in terms of this tamper-proof packaging. And I'm just curious in terms of your visibility to what arrived in Q2 versus what may come in Q3. Are we what inning are we in there? Should we expect kind of a deluge to come? Or are you already sort of past the halfway point with that whole cycle?

Ron Clarke: Yeah. Although the thing is, you know, bumpy because, literally, they ship, you know, Dick's Sporting Goods or Macy's to somebody, hey, once. Cards, and they got some big campaign or something, so ship it to me or, hey. Don't or whatever. So despite the thing being bumpy, it's performing quite well. And our forecast for the full year is the thing to be probably somewhere like, the mid-teens. In terms of, you know, growth over the prior year. And it's not only this improved kind of card, tamper-proof packaging thing. It's triggered new sales. They're on a tear of signing a bunch and implementing a bunch of kind of new gift card clients and stuff. So it's pretty fundamental.

So gonna go out on a limb here, Ramsey, and say it's probably, like, the best period of good performance since my bother thing, whatever it is. Like, eight or nine years ago. So it is this tamper-proof packaging, but the core underlying part of the business is just way healthier than it was before. And, yes, we expect the second half growth over the prior year in that segment to be quite good.

Ramsey El Assal: Got it. And by the way, I think you bought the business eleven years ago. So time flies, Ron. When you're having fun, time flies.

Ron Clarke: I'm being corrected. Thanks a lot.

Ramsey El Assal: You got it.

Operator: We'll take our next question from John Davis with Raymond James. Please go ahead.

John Davis: Hey, good afternoon, guys. Ron, I just want to circle back to lodging. You're not known for owning businesses that don't really grow. So as we think about that segment, the flattish plus or minus growth, how much of that's macro? Like what do you think you can do to regrow? If you can't get it back to something that's more reasonable from a growth perspective, does it make sense to own it, and would you potentially offload it to redeploy capital to corporate payments? Or a faster-growing segment of the business?

Ron Clarke: Yes, John. I think the yes. It's the answer to your question. The mandate in our company is to be a growth company. And kind of the nonnegotiable part of that is 10%. I've set that for years here. It's the floor 10, 13, 19. I got a 10% organic. With a little operating leverage and then use cash or buying or to get the yield. And so it has to perform. And again, this is not a business that's always been crummy. Like, if you looked over the longer history since we've been in that, going back even two, three, four years ago, the thing was growing. You know, 15, 20% year after year.

So we have the position and the markets to be a good business. We did some bumbling. We took a huge divot that we're digging out of. So what you said is right. It either gets fixed and it gets growing or it goes. And so the question is just how long and, you know, it is disappointing that kind of half of its this year is kind of this emergency weather macro stuff, which obviously the group running it and me have no control over. But it's not an excuse. We have to do better in that thing. I think we will, but if we don't, we will not be in it long term.

John Davis: Okay. Great. And then just switching to the balance. Just switching to the balance sheet here. So, you know, Ron, you laid out kind of a mid to high twos pro forma kind of leverage at year-end, closing Alpha with some of the divestitures. You've given kind of the integration of GPS and Alpha, you know, should we expect more buybacks given kind of you do have some balance sheet flexibility, but you are also integrating a couple of acquisitions, you know, at the same time. Just curious to kind of the appetite for M&A from here, call it, over the next twelve months versus buybacks and how we should think about it.

Ron Clarke: Yeah. That's a super good follow-up. So the kind of the BAU model for us is kind of getting into the low twos. I think we printed two five here coming out of Q2, call it, you know, two. Two one, two, you know, exiting the year on a BAU basis. Which gives us, to your point, a lot of room on our revolver. I think the size is now a billion seven and change. That'll literally be completely undrawn. So it's really a function of how what you said these different deals right, come together. Like, hey. When does Alpha close? When does the Mastercard thing close? When does Ada close? We do have a pipeline.

I know we've done a lot of deals, but once kind of prices reset, you know, we've been back at it. So the answer is our first priority is always to buy attractive growing businesses that strengthen or scale our business. If we can make good returns on it. So that's always the first call on capital. But at the stock price that I'm looking at, we're obviously buyers of our stock. And so if our stock were to stay around this level and we've got liquidity, we'll be buying stock back too. So I think if you look over the last four or five years, we could send the chart out.

It's been a pretty balanced set of spending between, you know, buying businesses and buying earnings, if you will, and buying the stock back. And we've had a rotation back to M&A over the last, whatever, twelve to eighteen months. So it's a function of liquidity, the pipeline of attractive stuff versus the stock price. So we're always trying to manage between those sets of factors.

John Davis: Okay. Appreciate the color. Thanks, guys.

Ron Clarke: Yep. You got it.

Operator: We'll take our next question from Mahir Bhatia with Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Mahir Bhatia: Hi. Good afternoon. Thank you for taking my questions, and welcome, Peter. So I wanted to take a step back maybe and ask a question about stablecoins. Just from a big picture perspective, you know, lots of announcements in recent weeks around stablecoins, from y'all. And wondering if you could talk a little bit more about everything you're doing there. I'm particularly interested in the opportunities and risks you see to your existing business. And also if you like, you know, where are things where what parts of stablecoins are exciting for you, and what parts are where you're looking at it and saying, hey. Maybe we need to rejigger the business a little bit. To accommodate stablecoins.

Maybe even talk about the transaction economics with stablecoins versus without. Thank you.

Ron Clarke: That was a long but interesting question. And I guess it's an important question. So the first thing I'd say is it ain't just stable going to me. It's just it's kind of a bit of a do you know, payment ecosystem, whether it's, you know, crypto or stablecoins and blockchain and digital wallets, just the different currency and pipe, right, to move money. And so I kind of think about the things related. You got fiat currency going, you know, over swift to a traditional bank account, or you've got US stable going over blockchain to a digital wallet. So the way we think about it is we are and will incorporate that incremental or new or modern rail.

And we will use it. We are using it. So there'll be use cases with our clients. To me, the biggest one will be outside of kind of banking hours. I think the biggest edge that the new payment train has here is the $24.07. You could move money, you know, after the banks are closed every day. Then selectively, we'll probably use it in some geography, some kind of, you know, exotic geography. So the first thing I'd say is we just view it as another tool, another way to move money for our clients at a certain application. In certain situations, it's better than kind of the traditional rails.

But the second one is the opportunity side is it's creating a new set of players, right, that mint the stablecoins that have provided different blockchain providers and stuff. And so they need help getting their new kind of ecosystem to talk to the traditional one. And so given the fact that we have a big position in the traditional and we're all in the new one, we can play a bit of a role helping money move across between caravan a and b. So something that comes down in stablecoins needs to go over to Fiat, or vice versa. So that's where we think there's real upside is someone has to play that role.

We have the compliance to be able to do it. Lots of banks, you know, are uncomfortable, you know, with a stable coin. Bridge across, given who's in it. And so that's our view that this thing is it is something we're gonna use. We'll figure out what the best use cases are. There's an upside for this new set of digital asset providers. And so we're generally pretty excited about it because we think, ultimately, it'll be better for clients.

Mahir Bhatia: Right. And if you could just touch on transaction economics?

Ron Clarke: Yeah. The economics, I think people don't get it super good. So if you're in b2b cross-border, which we're in, you know, 90% plus of the value creation in our revenue comes from the actual conversion of the currency. Buying and selling dollars into sterling. It's the actual liquidity. It's the exchange, the conversion. You know, a handful, call it, three to 5% is in the moving, is in the rails and stuff. And so whether you use Swift, which is the most expensive way to move global funds or use the proprietary network we have, which is, you know, a quarter of the cost. We use blockchain, which is free.

It has a de minimis impact really on the overall kind of revenue equation for us. So but we don't see the impact being economic here. We see it being speed. We see it being twenty-four seven. We see the programmability part of it. There are other aspects of this that we think are more interesting than a few cents cheaper to actually run the rail.

Mahir Bhatia: Got it. Thank you so much.

Ron Clarke: Yeah. You're welcome.

Operator: We'll take our next question from Trevor Williams with Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Trevor Williams: I want to go back to corporate payments in the 18% growth. On the Q1 call, it sounded like April had been a very strong month. So if you could just talk us through what the sequencing and puts and takes look like from there May and June? I think, Peter, you called out some softness in North America, but any more detail there would be helpful. Thanks.

Peter Walker: Yeah. So we think about the 18% organic revenue growth in corporate payments, I'd say it was, you know, really the same when we look at payables business and the cross-border business. In the cross-border business, what I've shared is we've seen some weakness in North America, but that had been more than offset outside of North America. So, overall, we were really pleased with the results for the quarter.

Ron Clarke: Hey, Trevor. It's Ron. Like, not a lot. I did a little better, I think, in April, brought four. I think the payables, to Peter's point, was steady as she goes every month. I can't remember whether it was May or June. Was a smidge softer. I mean, cross-border beats their plan by a bit. So they had, you know, a better April. I think it a bit softer June, and the other one was steady as she goes. I've seen July, and we're kind of tracking. You know, we try to obviously give them the call. You're here today, whatever it is, August 6, we've guided to Q3, so we've got July in the tank.

And so we're tracking good here, you know, one month forward too.

Trevor Williams: Okay. Got it. And then just going back to the full-year revenue guide, if you could put a finer point on the moving pieces, just within the organic guide, it sounds like it's mostly lodging that's a part of the one-point cut, but the relative sizing of that against the better FX, just how we net to the $25 million full-year raise. Thanks.

Ron Clarke: Yeah. I think just use 1% Trevor, simplistically. You said, hey. You know, the revenue is ballpark. $2 billion. You know, $2 billion and change in the second half. Hey. You know? A percent happy. You know, in macro, percent sad, and in lodging. And then remember, if you get two points of revenue from macro, which is the print, you lose half of it back on the cost side, which is why you get no real earnings improvement. So to your point, really, the only change from ninety days ago in the second half is macro up.

Lodging down a point which takes the organic, you know, call it, again, $20 million on $2 billion a point, everything else kind of tracking and I mostly don't want you to miss that tracking of what we said is up. Right? So vehicle, you know, getting from whatever it was then a nine print and then getting to 10 and then particularly The US getting to five. I don't want people to miss it like that is super important to this company. For us to sit here today and say, hey.

We're headed to get that number and keep corporate payments rocking that getting the 85% of the company in a good spot in following orders I want to make sure everyone's there's more and more to me. I wish the lodging was doing one of those supposed to, but the other two things are, and that's super important to us.

Trevor Williams: Yep. Okay. No. I appreciate all that. Thanks, Ron.

Operator: We'll take our next question from Ken Suchoski with Autonomous Research. Please go ahead.

Ken Suchoski: Hey, Ron and Peter. Thanks for taking the questions. Maybe I'll ask on U.S. Vehicle. I mean, it's nice to see the momentum and the, you know, moving in the right direction and getting to mid-single digits in the back half. I guess I'm curious to get your view on whether U.S. Vehicle can be a sustainable mid-single-digit grower? And then I guess when you think about the drivers behind that, mid-single-digit growth, like, do you think about the building blocks, whether that's new customer growth, same-store sales, volume growth, or pricing?

Ron Clarke: Yeah. Hey, Ken. It's Ron. So, yeah, we're pleased to, and, yes, it has been a long journey. So the hope in that business would be kind of somewhere where it is, you know, mid-single to maybe a smidge better, you know, assuming we get there, that's what we're saying we're gonna do. So running at that thing would be good. So the main thing is got the retention in a better place. And part of that's the mix. So continuing to acquire, you know, less micro clients and more kind of small and midsize, you know, is the key. I did mention we had a couple of elephants that came in.

And then second, we're still at with some of our new products trying to wrap some corporate payments juice around this huge base. You know, the company started in this US fleet space. We still have a giant client count and a lot of super high-quality, you know, midsize accounts there. And so that's the second piece of the idea is get revenue from that. Take some of these products that are kind of all in one that have the fleet specificity in them, but basically give the client the ability to buy other things in a control way and pay for other things in a controlled way.

And so keep selling the stuff, sell bigger accounts, keep the retention high, and then wrap and love this thing that was in corporate payments would be the ingredients.

Ken Suchoski: Yeah. No. That makes sense, Ron. And maybe just as my follow-up, I think Sanjay maybe asked about it, but just revisiting that three versus 4Q growth rate. I mean, we look at pretty much every segment has a harder comp on the year-over-year growth rate in 4Q. Even total company, I think, is six points harder. So why doesn't that impact the year-over-year growth in 4Q, Ron? I know you look at the business sort of quarter over quarter, but just, you know, optically, year over year, it looks like it's harder. And then, I guess, if you could just give us, like, what is the expectation for organic growth in 3Q versus 4Q, that'd be helpful. Thank you.

Peter Walker: Yeah. So specifically on the April guide, right, I mean, it's ticking up 14%. Versus 13%. But last year, we did experience a higher, you know, April than March. Right? So it's kind of consistent on trends. And dollar over dollar, it's not as significant dollar amount on the print side.

Ron Clarke: Yeah. I'm not sure if I read the question right. If you are you saying, hey. How are we out looking organic growth and the difference between Q3 and Q4?

Ken Suchoski: Yeah. I think the organic growth in 3Q versus 4Q, Ron, but I think, you know, one question we're getting is just, like, the growth in April of '24 was so much harder versus March. So if you just look at that, like, run rate, it sort of implies some acceleration, I feel like, in the fourth quarter.

Ron Clarke: Yeah. I'd say it's probably actually the other way around. I'd say that the organic guide and the print guide that we're giving you kind of this 10%, right, this in the second half and 10% for the full year. If anything, I'd say the organic growth rate in Q3 will be better. So if you said, hey. The second half is ten, you know, think 10 and a half to 11 versus, you know, nine and a half and ten. And the main reason is we had some stuff. We had some onetime happy stuff in Q4 last year around, you know, the corporate payments business and the payables business. Related to a transaction.

So I'd say it's nothing structurally per se. It's just the prior period. It's just the grow over. So I would have you guys think that it's kind of steady as she goes that the, you know, the vehicle business is in that, you know, call it 10% range, and the other stuff is, you know, plus or minus half a point between Q3 and Q4.

Ken Suchoski: Okay. Great. Thank you, Ron.

Operator: We'll take our next question from Dave Koning with Baird. Please go ahead.

Dave Koning: Yes. Hey, guys. Thank you. Just one question. Free cash flow looked massive, Q2 looked like your best cash flow ever. And just a question, I guess, a lot of companies actually guide the cash flow and a lot have less cash flow than earnings. In your case, you've had better cash flow than earnings. Maybe just philosophically, would you ever guide to that? And then maybe why is your cash flow so strong, and is it sustainable?

Ron Clarke: You want to take it? You want me to?

Peter Walker: Is that Dave? Yes. Yeah. Dave, it's Ron. Let me try letting Peter sort of some pages here. So there's two ways to look at cash flow. This year, way, which maybe you're looking at that brings the balance sheet in, which is, you know, obviously a function of, you know, AR and AP. And the way I look at free cash flow, which is really kind of what I call cash and income. Which is really the operating cash. And so, you know, the full year, the way I look at it trying to get to a billion 5. For the full year of what I call, you know, cash net income.

What you're probably seeing, I have in front of me the accounting one, that Peter's turned on the pages, would be some change really in the working capital in the period that boosted us. So I wouldn't get you can get excited. I don't get super excited about that. I'm just trying to make sure that the real free cash flow generated by operations is, you know, continues to run hot and grows. Which, again, that thing is, you know, planned to be up, you know, 10, 12% again in '25, the way we look at it.

Peter Walker: Yeah. And just confirming that the accounting methodology is presenting, you know, something favorable in the quarter that is accounting methodology driven and really the method that Ron points to is the correct one to measure us by, which is, you know, an 11% growth of cash EPS year over year.

Dave Koning: Yeah. That's great. Thank you.

Operator: Thank you. And at this time, I'd like to turn the call back over to our speakers for any final and closing remarks.

Jim Eglseder: Thanks, Margo, and thanks, everybody, for sticking with us. That's it for us today. Need anything else, please let us know.

Ron Clarke: Thanks, guys.

Operator: Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, that does conclude today's conference. We appreciate your participation. Have a wonderful day.