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Date

Monday, Oct. 27, 2025, at 11:30 a.m. ET

Call participants

  • President & Chief Executive Officer — Timothy Myers
  • Executive Vice President & Chief Financial Officer — Dave Bonaccorso

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Takeaways

  • Net Income -- Net income was $7.5 million for Q3 2025, representing a 65% increase compared to the third quarter of 2024.
  • Pretax Pre-Provision Net Income -- Pretax pre-provision net income increased by 28% sequentially from Q2 to Q3 2025, reflecting strengthening core earnings.
  • Net Interest Income -- Net interest income rose to $28.2 million in Q3 2025 from the prior quarter, primarily driven by higher average earning assets and a 17-basis-point rise in asset yield.
  • Cost of Deposits -- Cost of deposits increased by 1 basis point during Q3 2025, but spot cost declined by 4 basis points to 1.25%, and further declined to 1.24% as of October 23, 2025.
  • Total Loan Originations -- Total loan originations were $101 million, $69 million was funded. This marked the highest fundings since Q2 2022.
  • Total Deposits -- Increased, attributed to growth from long-time clients and new relationships.
  • Noninterest Expense -- Down slightly from the prior quarter due to reductions across various areas.
  • Noninterest Income -- Noninterest income declined by $370,000, mainly reflecting a BOLI death benefit paid in Q2.
  • Provision for Credit Losses -- No provision was required for credit losses, as asset quality improved and the allowance remained at 1.43% of total loans.
  • Nonaccrual Loans -- Nonaccrual loans totaling $3.6 million, including interest and fees, were fully paid off after Q3 2025.
  • Capital Ratios -- Total risk-based capital ratio was 16.13%. Tangible common equity (TCE) ratio was 9.72%.
  • Share Buybacks -- $1.1 million of stock was repurchased at prices below tangible book value.
  • Quarterly Dividend -- $0.25 per share declared, marking the 82nd consecutive quarterly dividend.
  • Loan Portfolio Mix -- This quarter's originations included a healthy increase in commercial real estate (CRE) loans that met underwriting standards.
  • Loan Payoffs -- Included a $7 million workout, proactively improving portfolio health.
  • Allowance for Credit Losses -- Held steady at 1.43% of total loans.
  • Interest-Bearing Deposit Beta -- Cumulative non-maturity interest-bearing deposit beta was 35% cycle to date, with a model input of 34% in ALM analysis.
  • HTM Securities Portfolio -- Book yield was 2.40%, with $76 million expected payouts for reinvestment in the next 12 months.
  • AFS Portfolio -- Substantially repositioned, now has a book yield of 4.44%.
  • Deposit Growth Drivers -- Largest growth from customers with the longest tenured relationships rather than newly acquired clients.

Summary

Bank of Marin Bancorp (BMRC +4.86%) reported significant year-over-year and sequential profitability improvement, supported by rising net interest margin and disciplined cost control. Management expects further margin expansion as deposit costs trend lower and lending pipelines remain strong, particularly in CRE and regional expansion areas, with these trends discussed for Q3 2025 and expectations for Q4 2025. Competitive pricing and increased nonrecourse features were acknowledged in the lending market, yet the bank reiterated its commitment to conservative underwriting and avoiding elevated risk structures.

  • Timothy Myers said, "we are seeing valuations improve in San Francisco," signifying potential stabilization in key commercial real estate markets.
  • Dave Bonaccorso affirmed, "there's quite a bit of benefit to NIM expansion in a falling rate environment," as modeled asset sensitivity and repricing opportunities converge.
  • "Year-to-date 2025 versus 2024, our expenses are only up 90 basis points," stated Bonaccorso, underscoring firm-wide efficiency initiatives.
  • After quarter end, $670,000 in interest was collected from the payoff of $3.6 million in nonaccrual loans.

Industry glossary

  • Net Interest Margin (NIM): The difference between interest income generated and interest paid out, as a percentage of average earning assets.
  • Allowance for Credit Losses: A reserve representing management's estimate of potential loan losses.
  • BOLI: Bank-Owned Life Insurance, an insurance asset owned by the bank, sometimes resulting in nonrecurring income upon insurer payout events.
  • ALM (Asset/Liability Management): The process of managing financial risks arising from mismatches between assets and liabilities.
  • Beta (deposit beta): The degree to which deposit costs change in response to benchmark interest rate movements.
  • HTM (Held-To-Maturity) Securities: Bonds meant to be held until maturity and carried at amortized cost on the balance sheet.
  • AFS (Available-For-Sale) Portfolio: Securities that can be sold in response to market conditions, marked to market on the balance sheet.
  • Nonaccrual Loans: Loans on which interest is no longer being accrued because of borrower delinquency or credit concerns.
  • CRE (Commercial Real Estate): Loans made for purchasing, refinancing, or developing commercial properties.

Full Conference Call Transcript

Timothy Myers: Thank you, Krissy. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to our quarterly earnings call. We executed well in the third quarter and generated positive trends in a number of key areas, including loan and deposit growth, continued expansion in our net interest margin, effective expense management and improvement in our asset quality. As a result, we saw the acceleration in our level of profitability that we expected with our net income increasing 65% compared to the third quarter of 2024 as we continue to benefit from the actions we've taken to put us in a good position to grow our balance sheet.

Our improving financial performance and continued benefits from prudent balance sheet management resulted in increases in both book value and tangible book value per share in the third quarter, while we continue to invest in the company to support future profitable growth. Our banking team, driven largely by recent additions, continues to develop attractive lending opportunities and bring new relationships to the bank, including in areas like the Greater Sacramento region. While we continue to navigate a competitive market environment on both pricing and structure, we've been able to add new clients and maintain our disciplined underwriting and pricing criteria.

During the quarter, our total loan originations were $101 million, including $69 million in fundings, the largest since Q2 of 2022. Our originations were a nicely diversified and granular mix across commercial banking categories, industries and property types, and we are seeing a healthy increase in CRE loan demand that meets our standards. This quarter's payoffs included the proactive workout of a $7 million loan that benefits the health of the overall portfolio. Our total deposits increased in the third quarter due to a combination of increased balances from long-time clients as well as continued activity bringing in new relationships. The rate environment remains competitive and clients remain rate sensitive.

However, they continue to bank with us for our service levels, accessibility and commitment to our communities. And while our quarterly cost of deposits increased 1 basis point during Q3 due to existing relationship expansion, we've seen improvements in our spot cost of deposits, as Dave will discuss later. Given our solid financial performance and prudent balance sheet management, our capital ratios remain very strong with a total risk-based capital ratio of 16.13% and a TCE ratio of 9.72%. Given our high level of capital during the quarter, we repurchased $1.1 million of shares at prices below tangible book to further build value for our shareholders.

With that, I'll turn the call over to Dave Bonaccorso to discuss our financial results in greater detail.

Dave Bonaccorso: Thanks, Tim. Good morning, everyone. We had net income of $7.5 million in the third quarter or $0.47 per share. This was significantly higher than the prior quarter, which included the impact of the loss on security sales we had as part of our balance sheet repositioning. Stripping out some of the noise, though, our pretax pre-provision net income increased by 28% on a sequential quarter basis and confirms the enhancements we've made to our core earnings stream. Our net interest income increased from the prior quarter to $28.2 million, primarily due to a higher balance of average earning assets as well as a 17 basis point increase in our asset yield.

Although our cost of deposits increased just 1 basis point during the quarter and negatively impacted net interest margin, our spot cost of deposits declined 4 basis points during the quarter to finish at 1.25%. And we've seen a further decline in our spot cost of deposits to 1.24% as of October 23. Though Fed funds rate cuts resume later in the year than many forecasters expected, we have made targeted cuts to deposit rates throughout the year as well as larger cuts in response to the September Fed funds rate cut, which has resulted in a 15 basis point decline in our cost of deposits year-over-year.

We are well positioned to continue to reduce deposit costs going forward, in line with the expectation of additional Fed fund rate cuts over the remainder of the year, which will contribute to margin expansion. Our noninterest expense was down slightly from the prior quarter with small reductions in a number of areas. Moving to noninterest income. Setting aside the securities losses, we had a decline of $370,000 during the quarter that is mostly attributable to a BOLI debt benefit paid in Q2. Disciplined credit management remains a hallmark of Bank of Marin as well.

Due to the improvement we saw in asset quality in our loan portfolio and the substantial level of reserves we have already built, we did not require any provision for credit losses in the third quarter, and our allowance for credit losses remained strong at 1.43% of total loans. Overall trends in our level of problem assets reflect our proactive and conservative approach to credit management, where we are aggressive to downgrade and cautious to upgrade. Due to the improvement we saw in the performance of some borrowers, we had a number of upgrades during the third quarter that resulted in a reduction in nonaccrual and classified loans.

Subsequent to quarter end, an additional $3.6 million in nonaccrual loans paid off in full, including interest and fees. Given the continued strength of our capital ratios, our Board of Directors declared a cash dividend of $0.25 per share on October 23, the 82nd consecutive quarterly dividend paid by the company. With that, I'll turn it back over to you, Tim, to share some final comments.

Timothy Myers: Thank you, Dave. In closing, we believe we are very well positioned for continued improvements in our core financial performance in areas, including balance sheet growth, net interest margin, expense management and asset quality. While broadly, there is economic uncertainty, our credit quality continues to improve and our loan demand remains healthy. Our loan pipeline remains strong, and we expect to generate solid loan production in the fourth quarter. While we always tightly manage expenses, we will also continue to take advantage of opportunities to add banking talent and enhance efficiency through technology that we believe will help support the continued profitable growth of our franchise into the future.

With the strength of our balance sheet, we believe we are very well positioned to increase our market share at attractive new client relationships and further enhance the value of our franchise in 2025 and beyond. With that, I want to thank everyone on today's call for your interest and your support.

Operator: [Operator Instructions] Our first question will come from Matthew Clark with Piper Sandler.

Matthew Clark: I'm sure you're getting tired of being asked this question, but what are your latest thoughts on HTM securities loss trade given all your capital?

Timothy Myers: Well, there's a lot of moving parts to consider. We continue to evaluate all those moving parts, but no final decision has been made.

Matthew Clark: Okay. And then just on expenses going forward, any updated thoughts on the run rate there? And how should we think about seasonality and just the pace of growth you're looking to manage to next year?

Dave Bonaccorso: So I think Q4 probably looks quite a bit like Q3. What's historically been the wildcard for Q4. You mentioned seasonality. In Q4 in recent years, we've had adjustments to payroll-related items. And so that's probably the wildcard this year as well, probably to a smaller degree in my estimation. But there are kind of puts and takes on both sides. And overall, you probably come in pretty close to where we were in Q3.

Operator: Our next question will come from Jeff Rulis with D.A. Davidson.

Jeff Rulis: Dave, you commented on the progress on the deposit costs. And just kind of looking at the Slide 5, you've got your rate sensitivities kind of signaling asset sensitive, but the reality is, it sounds like kind of pointing to further margin expansion. Could you -- and I guess, absent maybe some interest and fees you might collect on the subsequent nonaccrual payoff, just the core margin and expectations ahead?

Dave Bonaccorso: Sure. So let me give you a 3-part answer. The first one relates to what you're talking about on Page 5, the traditional ALM sensitivity. So historically, we've been pretty neutral. We typically talk about shades of slightly asset-sensitive or slightly liability sensitive. This quarter, well, every quarter, we do our ALM run mid-quarter. And at that point in time, we probably had more cash than we finished the quarter and that as normal. And so I think that's adding to the asset sensitivity you see in that illustration. But I think some of that has gone away in my estimation. So that's dimension one, is the pure ALM sensitivity.

Dimension two is just pure napkin math and when you look at our floating rate liabilities, which is to say, interest-bearing non-maturity deposits, those are roughly $1.7 billion. And then look at our floating rate assets, those are about $525 million between loans, securities and interest-earning cash. So the assets have a 100% beta and if you try to solve for what the beta needs to be. On the liability side, you get to around a 31% beta needed to break even. And our cycle to date non-maturity interest-bearing beta has been 35%, and we model 34% in our ALM run.

So I think that speaks to near-term benefits from rate declines, though some of that does drift or fade away over time just because of the way assets reprice over time. And then I guess the third dimension is just go instrument by instrument on the balance sheet. It's just working your way down. Cash, of course, if you believe Fed funds rate expectations, that will probably be a drag down the road, but that's by far the smallest of the components. Securities, we have an AFS portfolio. It's been fully repositioned or almost fully repositioned with a book yield of 4.44%. So there's not much you can do there. The HTM portfolio has a book yield 2.40%.

And so we can reinvest cash flows off that portfolio at much higher rates. We expect about $76-or-so million payouts from that HTM portfolio in the next 12 months. So that gives you a sense of what could reprice there. And then on the loan side, year-over-year, we expect our loan yield on a monthly basis to be about 20 basis points higher at September 26 compared to September 25. So that's with a flat balance sheet and payoffs at market rates. We had a 3 basis point increase this quarter, so that tracks with that. And obviously, if we have loan growth on top of that, that would give you some upside to the loan side.

And then on the deposit side, we had the small increase this quarter. But of course, the Fed funds cut came in the last 10% or 15% a quarter. So the benefit we got from that wasn't as large as if it was translated over a full quarter. Our spot rate of deposits came down from 6.30% to 9.30%. So that, I think, speaks to the benefits we're going to get from further cuts moving ahead if they play out. So that quick look at instruments suggests that there's quite a bit of benefit to NIM expansion in a falling rate environment.

Jeff Rulis: That sounds good. I appreciate it. It sounds fairly positive. Maybe the linked quarter, a lot of still some flow-through from the securities restructure, but kind of core, it seems like it's got some positive. So I appreciate the detail. Maybe if I just hop to credit, that also sounds fairly positive maybe Tim or Misako. Just the upgrades, is that a function of some rate relief early on and some better occupancy, maybe just overall CRE improvement? If you could speak to the -- or maybe it's project specific. I would love to check in on that.

Timothy Myers: Yes. I think you talked about the classified upgrades, it was a mix of what yo u just said, Jeff, there was improved leasing activity on multifamily in San Francisco that got us above requisite debt coverage ratio. And then there was another property that had been burned down in one of the fires that finally got construction started. So there's an end in sight or light at the end of the tunnel for a repayment source. But it's all been idiosyncratic. I mean, overall, we are seeing improved leasing activity in San Francisco. Again, the other markets have held up fine, but the upgrades were idiosyncratic.

Jeff Rulis: And Tim, as I guess, if you roll forward these appraisals to, I know on the larger credit, you had a recent one maybe last quarter, and that was year-over-year positive. Is that a trend that you continue to see into the third quarter?

Timothy Myers: Yes. I mean we haven't done those same kind of appraisals on those same properties, but I do -- we are seeing valuations improve in San Francisco. The magnitude of that over time, it's really hard to say, but we are seeing valuations come up, yes.

Jeff Rulis: Okay. And last is just the 30- to 89-day bucket increase. Is that largely procedural? Or is it just again, specific credits? Anything to touch on with that move?

Timothy Myers: No, you already nailed it. It's procedural, things that needed to be extended or in the process of that negotiating. And so these are not increasing people not paying us. It's getting lines mature or extended.

Operator: Your next question will come from Woody Lay with KBW.

Wood Lay: I wanted to follow along on the line of thinking there. And it feels like we're seeing much more positive headlines come out of the Bay Area, and it feels like there's macro momentum at play with AI tailwinds and political impacts. Are you seeing that optimism carry over to your loan demand?

Timothy Myers: I think we are. We had a higher proportion of investor CRE this quarter because I do think people are coming back into the market, although that -- the property types are really diverse there. Markets were diverse. Sacramento continues to be a big area of our growth. And so probably $20 million -- north of $20 million of our deals this quarter were CRA related with some affordable housing. So I don't really attribute that to that same kind of trend in San Francisco. But we are seeing increased activity. If you look at our construction team, financing developers, a lot of those projects are in San Francisco or immediately around.

And we're seeing a higher degree of interest and activity on their part. That takes some time to translate into outstandings, but I would say that's a fair statement as well.

Wood Lay: Got it. And then anything to note on the loan competition side? I feel like we've been hearing a lot about intense pricing competition. Are you seeing that as well? And anything to note on the structural side?

Timothy Myers: For high-quality deals, yes, pricing competition is aggressive. We are also seeing a return of the nonrecourse. We do our best not to participate in that and only do when we have enough other things we could do to mitigate those risks. So it's rare for us, but we are seeing a return of that degree of competition, yes.

Wood Lay: Got it. And then last for me, it feels like we're seeing tailwinds to the NIM. We're seeing loan growth move a little bit higher, continued expense management. We saw a really nice profitability inflection in the third quarter. Just how do you think about continued positive operating leverage from here?

Timothy Myers: So I'll start on the growth aspect of it, and Dave can jump in on any margin comments. But you heard his comments on the NIM expansion built into the balance sheet today. I think that can really help us. We are seeing a continuation of the loan growth. The pipeline was bigger at the start of this quarter than last quarter, and that was a great quarter. And so there's really not a lot controllable in the payoff area, but if we can continue to outrun that and accelerate that further. We've got new hire. We have a new hire in Sacramento that we expect to add -- be additive to this effort.

And so there's a lot of traction internally, obviously, externally being generated to keep the growth rate going. Deposits fluctuate and as Dave mentioned, that's really hard to predict all the seasonality of the inflows and outflows but I do think the key trends there, we expect them to continue, and that's obviously first and foremost. You can comment on the margins...

Dave Bonaccorso: Nothing else to add on the margin, but just one other thing to mention on expenses. Year-to-date 2025 versus 2024, our expenses are only up 90 basis points. So I think it speaks to the ability to scale without adding a lot to the expense base.

Operator: [Operator Instructions] And our next question will come from Andrew Terrell with Stephens.

Andrew Terrell: Maybe just start with Dave. Thanks for the color on the spot deposit cost. I think you mentioned October 1.24% total October 23. Do you have the equivalent interest-bearing costs on that Dave?

Dave Bonaccorso: Give me a moment, I'll actually give me a very quick moment. It's [ 2.18 ]. That's a total non-maturity interest-bearing [ 2.11 ].

Andrew Terrell: Got you. Okay. Yes. And I guess where I was going to go with that is it looks like I understand that growth seems like later in the quarter, at a higher cost, somewhat impede what all else equal is kind of a good repricing story later in the quarter and early into October. And I guess I just wanted to get a sense for incremental new money as it's coming on the balance sheet. Is it coming on similarly priced overall to your overall deposit franchise right now?

Just given you're starting at a low base, I'm trying to get a better sense of whether this 35% interest-bearing beta is kind of a good frame of reference to use given it's on a static balance sheet or once we factor in new money being brought in at potentially higher rates, if that could somewhat impede the beta that we're kind of looking for?

Dave Bonaccorso: Well, I think part of the story this quarter was that we had growth from existing accounts that made up a pretty big chunk of it. And so it's new money technically, but it's not new relationships, I'd say. And of course, we encourage our existing customers to bring more to the bank. But in terms of what we're -- what would be new flows, I'd say it's not dissimilar from our overall costs. I mean we're not chasing high-cost money. That's never really been part of what we do. So for that reason, I think the estimate is -- the beta estimate you talked about is still makes sense to me. There's nothing that would make me think otherwise.

Timothy Myers: Yes, if you look at the growth in deposits by customer, the largest chunk of growth came from those customers with the longest tenured relationships. So you have to be careful on how you encouraging them to bring over more funds, fairly compensate them. Yes, new money came on at a slightly higher rate, but overall, continue to get a nice inflow of noninterest-bearing to help offset that.

Andrew Terrell: Yes, yes. Got you. Yes. Good problem to have, Tim. I wanted to ask about the buyback. It looks like you were somewhat active this quarter. The stocks up a bit, but you've also still got really strong capital as well. Just thinking of the puts and takes on the buyback, should we assume you're still going to be active going forward?

Timothy Myers: Well, that always comes with a big caveat of the potential uses of capital, right? So we certainly did that when we were trading below tangible book. We think that always makes sense for our shareholders. But we do continue to, as Matthew asked, explore the potentiality of further balance sheet restructurings, and that's obviously a big use of capital. And so we want to make sure we're being sensitive to those various options. And next few quarters, obviously, we'll see how the market plays out. But our intent is to make the right decision for the broadest swath of shareholders possible.

Andrew Terrell: Yes. Okay. And then last for me. I know you mentioned the pipeline coming into the fourth quarter was greater than that going into the third quarter. Are you able to quantify the change in the pipeline?

Timothy Myers: No. I appreciate the question, but as you know, we don't give guidance. But we are expecting at this point in time, a quarter similar to what we just experienced.

Operator: Your next question will come from David Feaster with Raymond James.

David Feaster: I just kind of wanted to follow up on that kind of, I guess, the pipeline to some degree. Just looking at your originations, originations were up really nicely quarter-over-quarter. It seems like an increasing contribution from C&I. Has the complexion of your pipeline changed at all? I'm just kind of curious where you're seeing the most opportunities for growth near term?

Timothy Myers: It is really dispersed, David. So I would say the prior quarter had a higher component of C&I. This quarter had a lot of commercial real estate with some unfunded components. So the unused commitments made it look like that was C&I. But honestly, it was pretty CRE oriented this time. It really is coming across the footprint. If you look at the lending groups that are doing the best are primarily centered in the North Bay, Marin, Napa. But a lot of the growth, meaning where those deals are at, a lot of that is out in Sacramento. And so people following relationships. So we're seeing a really nice, again, disbursement of effort of opportunity.

We had a really nice component of CRA and affordable housing this time. And so which is somewhat unique compared to prior quarters. So it really has been very diverse.

David Feaster: Okay. That's great. And you talked about some new -- you talked about the hire that you made in Sacramento as well as some tweaks to maybe comp programs and calling programs that you referenced in the deck. Could you -- I guess, could you, first off, touch on your hiring appetite? Is there an appetite for additional hires? And what kind of lenders are you looking for? And then could you just maybe give some detail on as to the extent that you can, on the change in the comp program and the calling programs that you guys have made?

Timothy Myers: Yes. So we are, as you noted, made another hire in Sacramento following hiring a new regional leader the prior quarter. So we expect activity to pick up considerably in that region. We will look to make opportunistic hires throughout the footprint. We think that makes sense and the people we're hiring have done a really good job for us. And so that has a contagious effect of activity, activity begets more activity. So if you ask about -- I'll kind of reverse the order of the last part of your question, much more active calling.

If you look at a couple of years ago when we had really a few years ago, compared to a higher production year, most of that came out of the existing portfolio or a handful of people, 1 or 2 people. Now it is almost entirely new customers, in some cases existing but from a much more active calling activity base. And so David Bloom, Head of Commercial Banking has been very active in managing a sales process, weekly sales calls with everybody, blocking and tackling, and the people we're hiring are used to and capable of operating within that. So I'm not totally sure the comp plan is that dramatically different. It's aimed at incenting sending the right behavior.

It certainly doesn't go to the length of some of our former competitors on how they pay people, but it is designed to incent the right behavior. And so we're seeing all that sort of come together. It's been a little while in the making, but we're starting to get a lot of traction.

David Feaster: Okay. That's helpful. And then I know -- I mean, payoffs and paydowns have been a headwind across the industry, and I know it's -- just kind of curious what you guys are seeing on that front? How much of that is -- we just -- we touched on the competitive landscape. Then you've got natural asset sales and some of those kinds of things. But just looking at the payoffs and paydowns that you've seen, just kind of curious how much of it is maybe again, losing deals to another bank versus natural asset, just payoffs and paydowns and asset sales and those kinds of things or versus strategic deleveraging?

Timothy Myers: Well, I think part and parcel to getting a more active lender program activity is managing relationships as well. So the $24 million in commercial loan payoffs last quarter, only $2 million of that came from third-party refinancing, David. So $4 million was related to assets, almost $10 million was just cash deleveraging. People just paying off debt with cash. We had about a $7 million workout that we pushed out, which was a good thing. And we mentioned that in the release. But again, only $2 million in the quarter came from losing money to another bank.

David Feaster: Okay. And just one quick one. I may have missed it, but for that $3.6 million nonaccrual that was paid off after quarter end, do you have the amount of interest recovered from that, that we should expect in the fourth quarter?

Timothy Myers: I do not.

Dave Bonaccorso: It's a little less than $700,000. I think $670-ish is the number.

Operator: Your next question will come from Tim Coffey with Janney Montgomery Scott.

Timothy Coffey: Good morning, everybody. Yes, just looking at the deposit growth this quarter and the number of new accounts referenced in the -- opening the quarter referenced in the press release. I'm wondering, do you have a line of sight to deposit balance growth in the fourth quarter that might offset any kind of seasonality?

Timothy Myers: No, it's really hard to forecast for us. That roughly 1,000 new accounts a quarter has been pretty consistent all year. But really the large fluctuations are in the end, what will drive what the balances are. And we've already moved some off balance sheet that we thought were maybe more volatile, but it is really hard to predict how some of the customers -- inflows and outflows in some of our larger depositors. The people that are affecting the balances are sort of the usual suspects, so nothing strange or unexpected there, but it's really hard to predict. So that was a long-winded way of saying, I don't know, Tim.

Timothy Coffey: Sure. I appreciate that. The flip side of that question then is, I mean, typically, we see kind of seasonal deposit outflows due to tax payments and the like coming up. Do you see -- any sense that the payments this year will be any larger than they've been in previous years?

Timothy Myers: We have not gotten any indication of that. And we do a pretty active job of talking to our clients in an effort to forecast, and we don't see any big outflows or abnormally large outflows for any particular reason happening. But again, it is hard to predict, and we inevitably will not talk to the one client that will have a big change in deposit balances. So it is a wait-and-see game, but we are actively managing talking to our customers and trying to, again, forecast any big changes. And right now, we don't see anything dramatic on the horizon.

Operator: We have no further questions at this time. I will hand it back to Tim Myers for closing remarks.

Timothy Myers: Thank you, everybody. We appreciate it. We're proud of the quarter, and we are happy to share that with you and answer all your questions. Thanks again.