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DATE
Wednesday, Jan. 21, 2026 at 8 a.m. ET
CALL PARTICIPANTS
- President and Chief Executive Officer — Stuart Lubow
- Chief Operating Officer and Chief Financial Officer — Avinash Reddy
- Chief Commercial Officer — Thomas Reid
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TAKEAWAYS
- Core EPS -- $0.79, reflecting an 88% increase year over year, driven by record total revenues of $124 million.
- Net Interest Margin (NIM) -- 3.11%, with a 10 basis point sequential increase; excluding prepayment fees, NIM was 3.09%, up from 2.98% in the previous quarter.
- Core Deposit Growth -- $1.2 billion year over year; fourth-quarter core deposit growth, excluding seasonality and temporary municipal inflows, was approximately $400 million.
- Business Loan Growth -- Over $1.075 billion quarter over quarter and more than $500 million year over year, primarily from new verticals such as healthcare, fund finance, lender finance, sponsor, and not-for-profit.
- Non-Interest-Bearing Deposit Mix -- 31% of deposits at period-end, with new relationship teams bringing in deposit balances at 38% DDA.
- Total Capital Ratio -- Above 16%, with the common equity tier one ratio at 11.66%.
- CRE Concentration Ratio -- Reduced below 400%; management targeting mid-350% by the third quarter through runoff of transactional CRE and multifamily.
- Nonperforming Assets (NPAs) -- Declined to 34 basis points of total assets; multifamily credit book reported zero NPAs.
- Allowance to Loans -- Rose to 91 basis points, remaining within management's stated 90 basis points to 1% range.
- Loan Pipeline -- Exceeds $1.3 billion, weighted average rate between 6.25% and 6.5%.
- Floating Rate Exposure -- Floating-rate loans comprise 35%-40% of total loans, with new originations skewing higher.
- Full-Year Noninterest Income Guidance -- $45 million to $46 million projected for 2026.
- Operating Expense Guidance -- Core cash operating expenses, excluding intangible amortization, anticipated between $255 million and $257 million for 2026.
- Provision for Loan Losses -- Fourth-quarter provision declined to $10.9 million; management expects $10 million to $11 million per quarter initially, trending to single-digit millions in the second half.
- Efficiency Ratio Outlook -- Management expects to operate below 50% in 2026, citing revenue growth outpacing expense increases.
- Balance Sheet Size -- Management expects a flattish balance sheet in the first half of 2026, with mid-single-digit loan growth resuming in the second half following the projected CRE inflection point.
- Back Book Loan Repricing Opportunity -- $1.4 billion in loans at an average 4% to reprice in 2026, and $1.7 billion at 4.25% to reprice in 2027, providing a path for 20-25 basis point quarterly NIM expansion each year, assuming a 250 basis point spread over the five-year Treasury.
- Deposit Cost -- Fourth-quarter cost of total deposits 1.85%, down 24 basis points sequentially; spot rate at year-end was 1.68%.
- Geographic Expansion -- New hires and branch growth in Manhattan, Lakewood, and Locust Valley to contribute throughout the year; Northern New Jersey loans represent 8%-10% of the portfolio with a deposit-to-loan ratio of approximately 15%-20%.
- Tax Rate Guidance -- Management projects a 28% effective full-year tax rate for 2026.
SUMMARY
Management emphasized Dime Community Bancshares (DCOM +9.93%)'s organic revenue growth, deposit retention, and disciplined cost control as primary strategic drivers. Commercial banking platform expansion into new verticals and regions was positioned to fuel incremental business loan growth, with a particular focus on healthcare and specialty finance. The company detailed a substantial loan repricing opportunity slated to enhance net interest margin in 2026 and 2027. Loan portfolio management targeted further reductions in CRE concentrations, balancing risk while supporting loan growth in business and industry sectors. The cash-heavy balance sheet and strong capital ratios were cited as enabling flexibility for both asset deployment and opportunistic growth.
- Management stated, "Dime has clearly differentiated our franchise from our local competitors as it relates to our organic growth. We have an outstanding deposit franchise, strong liquidity, and robust capital, which bodes well for the future, driven by significant loan repricing opportunities over the next two years."
- The leadership described a "neutral balance sheet" resulting from significant cash holdings, reducing sensitivity to short-term rate changes.
- Loan pipeline composition and new hire productivity were identified as central to maintaining momentum in both deposit and loan growth, with the company noting over 15,000 new accounts and more than $3 billion in balances generated by recently added teams.
- Severance costs of $2.4 million and discrete tax items of $2.7 million were excluded from core EPS calculations for the period.
- Management expects "flattish balances" in the first half of 2026, with growth resuming after managing down CRE risk exposures via transactional asset runoff.
INDUSTRY GLOSSARY
- DDA: Demand Deposit Account, a non-interest-bearing deposit account used primarily for business or consumer transactions.
- CRE Ratio: Commercial Real Estate concentration ratio, calculated as the proportion of commercial real estate loans relative to total risk-based capital.
- Back Book: The segment of existing loans on a bank's balance sheet, typically referring to assets that were originated in prior periods and are subject to repricing or renewal.
- SNC: Shared National Credit; a large loan or loan commitment shared by three or more regulated institutions.
Full Conference Call Transcript
Stuart Lubow: Thank you, Michelle, and thank you all for joining us this morning for our quarterly earnings call. With me this morning, as usual, are Avinash Reddy, our Chief Operating Officer and CFO, and also Thomas Reid, our Chief Commercial Officer. Today, I will touch upon the progress we made in 2025 as we executed on all aspects of our strategic plan. I will then touch upon some bank-wide goals for 2026. Thomas will talk about the progress we made in building out our commercial banking platform and industry verticals. Avinash will then provide some details on the fourth quarter and guidance for 2026. Our core earnings power continues its upward trajectory.
Core EPS was $0.79 for the fourth quarter, representing an 88% increase versus the prior year. The growth in EPS was driven by record total revenues of $124 million for the fourth quarter. The NIM was up 10 basis points, and average earning assets were up over $650 million on a linked quarter basis. All our growth has been organic, built by our existing bankers and new hires. As you know, we do not have any purchase accounting in our numbers, which tends to inflate results at banks that have engaged in M&A. Core deposits were up $1.2 billion on a year-over-year basis. Deposit growth has been strong across all our channels.
In addition, we have been successful in continuing to drive down our cost of funds and growing our non-interest-bearing DDA to 31% of deposits. As such, we have a core-funded balance sheet with a significant liquidity position, which will allow us to take advantage of lending opportunities as they arise. Speaking of loans, we continue to execute on our stated plan of growing business loans and managing our CRE concentration ratio, which is now below 400%. Business loans grew over $1.075 billion on a linked quarter and over $500 million on a year-over-year basis.
We were very happy to be able to bring Thomas Reid in the first quarter of 2025 and have already made great progress in terms of building out various industry verticals that Thomas will talk about more in his remarks. Our loan pipeline continues to be strong and is more than $1.3 billion with a weighted average rate between 6.25% and 6.5%. As we mentioned on last quarter's call, NPAs moved down nicely in the fourth quarter and now represent only 34 basis points of total assets. Multifamily credit continues to be very strong with zero NPAs. Our capital levels are best in class with a total capital ratio of more than 16%. Disruption in our marketplace remains very high.
As you saw, there was another merger transaction where an out-of-state bank bought a local thrift at year-end. We were not involved in this transaction in any way. We remain focused on our organic growth strategy and hiring teams. The environment for organic growth continues to be very strong with an extremely target-rich environment, and the execution of our strategy is now showing up in our quarterly results. Our Manhattan branch is up and running, and we expect the same for our Lakewood and Locust Valley locations toward the end of the first year. As we look forward to 2026, the momentum in our business continues to be strong. We are focused on the following.
As we have discussed previously and as Avinash will mention in his remarks, we have a significant amount of repricing assets in the next two years, which provides a tailwind for revenue growth. As the loan repricing story plays out, Dime's inherent earnings power will be displayed. In 2025, we put in place the building blocks to create a more diversified balance sheet and loan portfolio. I expect to see significant growth in both in 2026. As we grow revenues faster than expenses, we expect to operate at a sub-50% efficiency ratio. Being efficient has always been a hallmark of Dime, and we expect to return to the sub-50% level in 2026.
Lastly, we continue to attract talented bankers who can help us grow core deposits and grow business loans. In conclusion, Dime has clearly differentiated our franchise from our local competitors as it relates to our organic growth. We have an outstanding deposit franchise, strong liquidity, and robust capital, which bodes well for the future, driven by significant loan repricing opportunities over the next two years. I want to end by thanking all our dedicated employees for their efforts in 2025 and in positioning Dime as the best commercial bank in the New York Metro Area. With that, I will turn it over to Thomas Reid.
Thomas Reid: Thank you, Stuart, and good morning. In my prepared remarks, I'll provide some background and color on our commercial banking initiatives. As many of you know, I was part of the leadership team at Sterling that helped transform that balance sheet from $5 billion to a $25 billion diversified commercial bank balance sheet. When I began speaking with Dime in 2024, it was apparent that Dime had a number of strengths that were attractive in recruiting talented bankers. First, an entrepreneurial and growth mindset, which is valued by commercial bankers. Second, the best deposit franchise in Metro New York, both from a cost perspective as well as a growth profile, which can be utilized for funding.
Third, the back office was staffed with strong managers who had experience managing larger and more diversified commercial portfolios. And finally, Dime had developed a reputation in the marketplace as a company where talent wanted to work. It was perceived and is perceived as a winner. Even before I started, we outlined a strategy as to which industries and geographies we wanted to strengthen, build out, and focus on. Our goal was to create a platform that had all the industry expertise of a $50 to $100 billion bank, but that operated nimbly like a $15 billion bank with access to senior management and quick decision-making.
Of note, right around the time I joined, we added a new chief credit officer, Rob Rowe, who was previously the chief credit officer at Sterling. Since I came on board in February, we have added the following capabilities: Fund finance, which is exclusively focused on capital call lines; Lender Finance, our focus is on lending to institutions that are focused on business credit. We do not intend to be active on the consumer credit side. Mid corporate, our focus is on companies that are larger than a typical middle market company. Sponsor finance. Our focus is on noncyclical industries with good risk-adjusted returns supporting sponsors and family offices.
Operator: Syndications. We added a team to focus on syndicating
Thomas Reid: self-originated loans, allowing us to service larger clients while staying within our established risk tolerances. And lastly, geographic expansion. Dime has always had a dominant presence on Long Island, and we are focused on expanding that to Manhattan and New Jersey. For example, in the fourth quarter, we hired a well-known banker to cover middle market relationships in New Jersey. All of our commercial bankers and industry specialists are focused on direct relationship lending with the occasional club deal to manage our exposure. We're not building a business based on SNCs or participations as many small to medium-sized banks often do.
The bankers that we have hired have added significant industry knowledge and a high level of expertise to Dime's offerings. As we look to 2026, each of these new commercial banking teams will contribute to loan growth and operating leverage. We also have our eyes on one or two industries where we already have a presence, but where we could add some additional depth. With that overview, I'll turn it over to Avinash for his prepared remarks.
Operator: Thank you, Thomas. Core EPS for the fourth quarter was $0.79 per share. This represents an 88% year-over-year increase. Core EPS excludes the impact of severance, which was approximately $2.4 million on a pretax basis, and a couple of discrete tax items, which were $2.7 million. These items have been described in the GAAP to non-GAAP reconciliation tables in our earnings release. Core pretax pre-provision net revenue of $61.5 million for 2025 represents approximately 163 basis points of average assets. The reported fourth quarter NIM increased to 3.11. We had approximately two basis points of benefit from prepayment fees. Excluding prepayment fees, the fourth quarter NIM would have been 3.09.
As a reminder, the third quarter NIM excluding prepayment fees was 2.98.
Avinash Reddy: Total deposits were up approximately $800 million versus the prior quarter. We saw strong inflows across all of our major channels. Deposit growth for the fourth quarter included approximately $100 million seasonal tax receivable deposits that typically arrive in the month of December and leave in mid-January, and approximately $225 million of deposits from a municipality tied to a bond offering that we expect to leave the bank in February. Excluding these items and typical seasonality in our branch network on the East End of Long Island, core deposit growth for the fourth quarter would have been closer to $400 million.
Similarly, the overall balance sheet size and cash position was elevated at quarter-end by approximately $400 million due to the previously mentioned municipal deposits and seasonality. Our cost of total deposits was 1.85% in the fourth quarter, down 24 basis points versus the prior quarter. By maintaining a strong focus on cost of funds management, our NIM has now increased for a seventh consecutive quarter and has surpassed the 3% mark. We continue to have catalysts for growing our NIM over the medium to long term, including a significant back book loan repricing opportunity that I will talk about later.
Core cash operating expenses, excluding intangible amortization of $62.3 million for the fourth quarter, was below our guidance of approximately $63 million. Noninterest income of $11.5 million was above our fourth quarter guidance of approximately $10 million to $10.5 million. The loan loss provision declined to $10.9 million, and the allowance to loans increased to 91 basis points, which is within our stated range of operating between 90 basis points and 1%. Capital levels continue to grow, and our common equity tier one ratio grew to 11.66%.
Having best-in-class capital ratios versus our local peer group is a competitive advantage and will allow us to take advantage of opportunities as they arise and speaks to our strength and ability to service our growing customer base. Next, I'll provide some guidance for 2026. As I mentioned previously, excluding prepayment fees, the NIM for the fourth quarter would have been 3.09. We would use this as a starting point for modeling purposes going forward. We expect modest NIM expansion in the first half of the year and more substantial NIM expansion in the back half of the year as the pace of the back book loan repricing picks up.
We believe our large cash position is a competitive advantage that will allow us to take advantage of lending opportunities as they arise and will help us create a sustainable NIM that is not subject to cyclical moves based on the trajectory of short-term rates. Given our current cash position, every future 25 basis point reduction or increase in short-term interest rates will not have more than a two to three basis point impact on our NIM. Our NIM expansion in future quarters will be driven more by the back book loan repricing as well as core deposit growth and business loan growth.
To give you a sense of the significant back book repricing opportunity in our adjustable and fixed-rate loan portfolios, for the full year 2026, we have approximately $1.4 billion adjustable and fixed-rate loans across the loan portfolio at a weighted average rate of 4% that either reprice or mature in that time frame. Assuming a 250 basis point spread on those loans over the forward five-year treasury, we could see a 20 basis point increase in the quarterly NIM by 2026 from the repricing of these loans. As we look into the back book for 2027, we have another $1.7 billion of loans at a weighted average rate of 4.25%, that will lead to continued NIM expansion in 2027.
Assuming a 250 basis point spread on those loans over the forward five-year treasury, we could see another 20 to 25 basis point increase in the quarterly NIM by 2027. In summary, assuming the market consensus forward curve plays out, we have a path to a structurally higher NIM and enhanced earnings power over time. Now that our NIM is at the 3.10 level, the next marker in front of us is 3.25, and after that, 3.50. With respect to the balance sheet, we expect a relatively flat balance sheet for 2026. The first quarter of the year is typically seasonally slow, and there's always a rush to get loans closed by year-end.
In addition, we expect to continue to reduce our CRE concentration ratio lower to the mid-350% area driven by a reduction in transactional multifamily and transactional CRE. This will offset the strong growth we are seeing on the business loan side. We expect to reach an inflection point on CRE balances probably in the third quarter of the year. And once we reach this inflection point, the overall balance sheet should start growing again at a mid-single-digit growth rate. If we put that all together, our point-to-point total loan growth estimate for 2026 is in the low single digits with flattish balances in the first half of the year and growth in the second half of the year.
For 2027, we are internally modeling mid to high single-digit end-of-period loan growth as business loans continue to grow and our industry verticals hit their stride. Next, I'll turn to expenses. We expect core cash operating expenses excluding intangible amortization for 2026 to be between $255 million and $257 million. This includes the full-year impact of our de novo locations in Manhattan, Lakewood, and Locust Valley, and all the private and commercial banking teams that we hired throughout 2025.
With respect to the provision for loan losses, we expect the next couple of quarters to be in the $10 million to $11 million area as we move towards the midpoint of our allowance range of between 90 basis points and 1% and as we continue to aggressively work down NPAs and classified assets. For the second half of the year, we expect provisioning levels to trend down into the single digits and just cover charge-offs. Turning to noninterest income, we expect full-year 2026 to be between $45 million and $46 million.
Factors that will determine the individual quarters will be the timing of swap fee income, which can be hard to predict, as well as SBA fees and title revenue. Finally, we expect the tax rate for the full year of 2026 to be approximately 28%. With that, I'll turn the call back to Michelle, and we'll be happy to take your questions.
Operator: Thank you. If you'd like to ask a question, please press 11. If your question has been answered and you'd like to remove yourself from the queue, please press 11 again.
Thomas Reid: And our first question comes from Mark Fitzgibbon with Piper Sandler. Your line is
Stuart Lubow: Hi, Mark. Thanks. Maybe the first question is for Thomas. Thomas,
Mark Fitzgibbon: could you share with us, you know, what industries accounted for the nice sequential quarter growth in the business loan balances this quarter? Just to give us a sense of where that growth is coming from.
Thomas Reid: Yeah. All of those verticals are pretty much new, so we started out at a base of zero. Right? So I think Stuart mentioned we grew business loans about $500 million year over year, about $400 million of that came from these specialty groups that include healthcare, lender finance, fund finance, sponsor, and not-for-profit. The business that has probably most of the momentum in 2025 was healthcare. I think you know that Dime entered into healthcare probably about two years ago. And that portfolio has built over time. So I would say, probably out of the $500 million, about $400 million was the new specialized industries, and probably 50% of that was healthcare. Okay.
Mark Fitzgibbon: And then secondly, I was curious, how much business do you have today roughly? And I won't hold you to the exact numbers, but roughly in New Jersey, you know, and deposit of sort of the, you know, the $10 billion of loans and call it $12 billion of deposits, how much of that is
Stuart Lubow: is sort of
Mark Fitzgibbon: Jersey domicile?
Avinash Reddy: Yeah, Mark. So it's probably around, you know, somewhere between 8-10% of our portfolio is Northern New Jersey. A lot of clients that we followed over there. I'd say on the deposit side, it's less substantial than that. I mean, we're probably running at a, you know, 15 to 20% deposit to loan ratio for New Jersey. But in terms of overall loans, I'd say somewhere between 8-10%. But that's something that's been consistent at the bank, you know, for the last four or five years since Stuart got to the bank. Because, you know, Stuart ran a couple of banks in New Jersey, and a lot of relationships have followed since he got to Dime back in 2017.
Mark Fitzgibbon: Okay. The last question I had, you know, loan sale gains were strong this quarter. I would have expected maybe they'd be a bit less given the government shutdown in 4Q. I guess I'm curious, are you sort of fully caught back up on the pipeline for these loans? Or maybe any thoughts you have on what 1Q activity levels might look like?
Avinash Reddy: Yeah. I'd say the latter, Mark. We probably caught up at this point. We were very close to recognizing these gains in Q3. And then once the government opened up, we kind of did that. So it's kind of hard to predict that line. I think that one and the swap fee line, you know, it's just up and down based. So I wouldn't expect the first quarter to be as large as Q4. Q4 was probably two quarters into one, basically, is how I'd characterize it.
Mark Fitzgibbon: Great. Thank you.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from Stephen Moss with Raymond James. Your line is open.
Stephen Moss: Maybe just on the deposit growth here. Nice quarter for deposit growth. And I hear you, Avinash, in terms of some of the municipal deposits. Just curious, what the deposit pipeline kind of looks like? And kind of where are you pricing those deposits these days?
Avinash Reddy: Yeah. So I'd say, you know, in terms of pricing, nothing's really changed there, Stephen, where you know, got a lot of influx of new deposits coming into the bank. So, you know, I'd say to get a new customer in the door, you probably gotta offer high twos to low threes on a money market. It's probably coming with 20-30% DDA. So the all-in cost is probably in the low twos of stuff coming into the bank. The actual cost of deposits or the spot rate on deposits at the end of the year was 1.68%. So that's, you know, lower than our overall cost of deposits, and that should help, you know, with the NIM going forward.
I'd say just if you look back at our history, we just wanted to point out the seasonality just because we have a municipal business. We have an East End business. And then this quarter, we had the one, you know, transactional municipal deposit that did come. And so the point of that guidance was more along the lines of don't use our average earning assets for Q4 as a proxy for Q1 and grow it off of that base. You probably have to take out $300 to $400 million.
But, you know, over the course of the year, if you look at year-over-year growth, we had a billion dollars of core deposit growth last year, and I think Stuart would attest to this as well that, you know, our teams haven't really matured yet, and we continue to see the pace of account opening pick up, basically.
Stuart Lubow: Yeah. I mean, just to give you a little color, I mean, those teams that we brought on have crossed the, at year-end, the $3 billion mark, and opened up over, you know, in total, over 15,000 accounts. And we're still seeing monthly and quarterly growth in all our teams. So, you know, we're still very bullish on deposit growth. You know, we just had a, you know, a very outsized fourth quarter. Very happy with it. You know, all the channels from both the, you know, the commercial group, the private banking group, our retail bank, and our municipal group were all up. So, you know, we're excited about that and, as I said, very bullish.
But, you know, the teams have really proven to be quite an asset, and we're still seeing quite a bit of new account openings. So, you know, we're expecting, you know, through this year continued growth in that market. Okay. Great. Really appreciate all that color there.
Stephen Moss: On, you know, my other question here, just on the 100% rent-regulated piece. I know that was about $500 million at the end of the third quarter. Just and it came down pretty helpfully. At a pretty good pace in the third quarter. Wondering where that is now and if you have any color around like the scheduled maturities over the next year or two for that book?
Avinash Reddy: Yeah. So, Stephen, we didn't have a lot of activity in that book in Q4, so it was, you know, relatively stable, you know, on a linked quarter basis. It's kind of hard to go, you know, quarter over quarter for some of these items. The way we really look at it is the pre-2019 book and the post-2019 book just because the stuff that was originated pre-2019 was prior to the rent-regulated rule changes. And, you know, as you know, and so we look at that book. That book's around $350 million at year-end 2025. That book used to be $450 million a year ago. That book was $500 million two years ago. Right?
So that's the part that we had our eyes the most on. That book is fully reset at this point. You know, I think in terms of maturities and repricings in the entire multifamily book that's rent-regulated, both the 100% rent-regulated and the majority rent-regulated book, maturities and repricings are around $250 million for 2026. That's probably split $150 million and $100 million between the 100% and the 50 to 99% bucket. So look, we're not seeing any issues there. You know, as loans come up for maturity, they're, you know, paying off. As loans come up for repricing, I'd say, you know, a bigger proportion of them are staying with us and paying market rates, basically.
But I think you'll continue to see, you know, attrition in that book. The one thing we've always pointed out is it's a very granular book. We don't have any big loans in that portfolio. You know, as opposed to the free market portfolio where you could see a few, you know, tens and fifteens in terms of size, in terms of credit. In terms of the rent-regulated book, it's very granular. So it's just gonna take time for that to continue to wind down. But, you know, we're pretty comfortable with what we have right now.
Stuart Lubow: Okay. Great.
Stephen Moss: Appreciate all the color there, and I'll step back in the queue. Thank you very much.
Stuart Lubow: Yep.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from David Konrad with KBW. Your line is open.
David Konrad: Yes. Thanks. Good morning. Just a follow-up question on the deposits. I know you have a lot of the municipality and seasonality this quarter, but noninterest-bearing deposits were, you know, almost 31% mix. Like, where do you think 2026, you know, will look like in terms of the mix of deposits, in terms of noninterest-bearing deposits?
Thomas Reid: Yeah. Look. They have, you know,
Avinash Reddy: if you go back in time, you know, this company had a noninterest-bearing deposit base somewhere between 35-40%. When we completed our merger. Obviously, you know, a lot of that was tied to PPP, and then we came all the way back down to 25%. Right? I'd say the starting point really should be, you know, in 2023, once you saw deposits leave the system, we were at 25%. We've built that up to 30 to 31% right now. I think we'd like to continue growing that over time. What we've really tried to do with the deposit base is focus on the low-cost deposits.
And so I think what we really try to manage is getting the overall cost of deposits down. And right now, like I said, it's, you know, $1.68 plus or minus is the spot cost over there. But we're not really bringing on new relationships to the bank unless they bring us their full operating accounts and have 20 to 30% DDA. Right? So I think at a minimum, you know, seeing a floor of around 30% is probably, you know, reasonable, and we'd like to have that, you know, ratio creep up slowly over time.
Stuart Lubow: Yeah. And, you know, you should note that, you know, again, getting back to the teams, you know, that $3 billion balance that they have, 38% of that balance is DDA. So, I mean, they really, you know, they really focus on the DDA side. And, obviously, while, you know, quarter-end was slightly higher due to some of the municipal deposits, those were not DDA deposits. Those were, you know, money market and whatnot. So, you know, I think there's a, you know, a good chance that we're gonna see 31% move up nicely during the year, and, really, that's what we've been focused on with our new team hires as well. Great. Thank you.
Operator: Thank you. And our next question comes from Matthew Breese with Stephens Inc. Your line is open.
Matthew Breese: Hey, good morning. Wanted to focus first maybe on just the, you know, the cash and then securities. Avinash, I heard you in your opening comments, but could you give us just some better idea of what the timeline and strategy is for deploying?
Operator: Deploying that cash? And then what level do you think is kind of, you know, the normalized level, quote, unquote,
Avinash Reddy: Yeah. So there's no specific timeline, Matt, in terms of us rushing out to buy securities. We probably bought around $150 million in the fourth quarter. You know, we're looking at rates consistently. I think we like having the flexibility on the balance sheet, like I said. At the start. What it really does is it creates a neutral balance sheet that's not tied to short-term rates. Right? Over time, as we, you know, make more business loans, have more floating rate assets, you know, that automatically will take care of the ALM profile of the bank.
But in the near term, it just helps us having cash in that we don't have to go out and hedge the balance sheet in different ways. So I don't see that cash balance coming down significantly in the near term absent, you know, some of the seasonality that I talked about in Q4. I think if you read between the lines on the loan growth, we said, you know, loan growth's probably flat for the first half of the year and then growing in the second half of the year. So in terms of use of cash, in terms of loans, starting the second half of the year, there will be a use of cash for loans.
First half of the year, it's gonna be, you know, in cash, and, you know, we're gonna look at the market for securities and where there's an opportunity to add some, we will. But we're not, you know, running out to put $500 million to work or, you know, $750 million to work overnight and something. This is we're building the balance sheet more for the longer term, and we're pretty happy with the, you know, liquidity position and our loan to deposit ratio. I mean, it's in the mid-eighties at this point, which is very consistent with what a national bank operates at.
Obviously, the banks are not in our local peer group are, you know, much more over-leveraged and somewhere between 90 and 100%. But, you know, I think we're comparing ourselves really to a national bank, and we like the fact that we have this excess liquidity at this moment.
Thomas Reid: Okay.
Matthew Breese: I appreciate that. And then you'd mentioned in there adding floating rate loans. Could you just give me an update on where floating rate loans stand today as a percentage of total loans? These are, you know, loans priced off of SOFR or Prime. And the expectation for, you know, a year from now.
Avinash Reddy: Sure. So, look, I think in terms of the new business and, you know, Thomas's verticals, you know, a majority of that is floating rate. So we think about, you know, the fund finance business, you know, that's a floating rate portfolio. When we're doing healthcare loans, those are priced off of SOFR. So anything coming on the books is likely more floating rate than fixed rate. Right now, floating rate's probably somewhere between 35-40% of the balance sheet. Fixed is probably around 25%, and adjustable is probably the difference over there.
Matthew Breese: Got it. Okay. And then could you just comment on prepayment activity in 2025 was a big headwind for commercial real estate and multifamily growth. What did you see in the fourth quarter? And do you feel like there's some light at the end of that tunnel? Should we see or expect prepayment activity to start to decline?
Avinash Reddy: Look. I think it really depends on its loan by loan, and it's whether we want to be, you know, in the market or not in the market for that type of asset. Right? And I think our guidance was we're focused on getting the CRE ratio to the mid-350s by, you know, maybe exiting some transactional multifamily and transactional CRE that doesn't have deposits. Right? Third quarter, we probably saw payoff rates in the 20-25% area. In the fourth quarter, it was probably 15%. Right? If you look over the cycle, it's somewhere between 15 to 20%.
So, you know, I think rates, you know, short-term rates probably have to drop a little bit more for there to be a big payoff wave over there. Right now, it's kind of working in our favor because, you know, our goal is to get, you know, our CRE ratio down to the mid-350s. That being said, for relationship CRE that has deposits, we're very competitive with our rate. And we're able to retain them and their core customers at the bank. So I would delineate it between transactional and relationship CRE. And on the relationship CRE side, I think we are seeing pretty strong retention.
Matthew Breese: Great. Appreciate it. Just last one for me. Muni deposit outflows you talked about, what categories of deposits will that impact? That's all I had. Thanks.
Avinash Reddy: Yep. So the $225 million that I talked about and that Stuart mentioned, that's an interest-bearing deposit. It's probably in the 3% area, plus or minus, so that's interest-bearing. Some of the tax receivable money that comes in, that's in the DDA piece. So that's probably, call it, $60 to $70 million over there. So it's a split of categories. More of it in the interest-bearing side than on the noninterest-bearing side.
Operator: Thank you. Thank you. I'm showing no further questions at this time. I'd like to turn the call back over to Stuart Lubow for closing remarks.
Stuart Lubow: Thank you, Michelle, and thank you to all our dedicated employees and our shareholders for their continued support. We look forward to speaking with you at the end of the first quarter.
Operator: Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect. Everyone, have a great day. Thanks, Michelle.