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Date

March 10, 2026

Call participants

  • Chief Executive Officer — Kenneth Romanzi
  • Chief Financial Officer — Shane Jones
  • General Counsel — Nathan Brower

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Takeaways

  • Net Sales -- $123.8 million for the quarter, a 5% year-over-year increase, driven by North America and Europe, and marking the company's strongest fourth quarter on record.
  • Full-Year Net Sales -- $480.1 million, up 6%, and surpassing the high end of the latest guidance range.
  • North America -- Quarterly sales rose 6% to $37.4 million, while digital channel revenue soared 47% compared to prior year.
  • Asia Pacific -- Quarterly sales decreased 1% to $55.7 million, attributed to a challenging comparison and 21% sales growth reported in the year-ago period.
  • Europe -- Quarterly sales increased 18% to $25.2 million, led by 23% growth in Eastern Europe in local currency, with improved product availability.
  • Gross Margin -- Improved by 55 basis points to 72.5%, primarily from gross margin initiatives and favorable market mix.
  • SG&A Expenses -- $48.4 million for the quarter, up from $43.7 million, rising to 39.1% of sales due to higher digital ad spend, sales-related variable costs, and one-time expenses.
  • Operating Income -- $5.3 million, or 4.3% of sales, compared to $4.6 million, or 3.8% of sales, previously.
  • GAAP Net Income -- $4.1 million, or $0.23 per diluted share, reversing a $0.3 million loss, or $0.02 per share, year over year.
  • Adjusted EBITDA -- $11.9 million, a 16% increase, driven by sales and gross margin gains; full-year adjusted EBITDA reached $49.4 million, up 22%.
  • Cash and Debt Position -- $93.9 million in cash with zero debt at year-end.
  • Share Repurchases -- 1.3 million shares bought back at an average $12.95 per share for $16.3 million, with $17.4 million remaining in the program.
  • Digital Subscriptions -- Website digital subscriptions rose to 47% of digital revenue; on TikTok, subscriptions hit 25% of revenue following a recent launch.
  • Outlook for 2026 -- Net sales guidance of $500 million to $515 million, for 4%-7% growth, and adjusted EBITDA projected at $50 million to $54 million, with planned strategic investments tempering margin gains.
  • Inventory -- Inventory ended at $68.3 million, a $1 million sequential increase to support future demand, with further moderate inventory growth expected.

Summary

Nature's Sunshine Products (NATR +2.18%) reported record top-line and profitability figures, with digital strategy advancements fueling customer acquisition and recurring revenues. Management emphasized a targeted acceleration plan, envisioning $1 billion in sales over time, with execution levers spanning channel expansion, product innovation, and M&A. Strategic investment in digital platforms, marketing efficiency, and supply chain optimization was explicitly prioritized to underpin future growth gains.

  • Kenneth Romanzi stated the organization is "setting a goal of growing Nature's Sunshine to $1 billion in sales with improved profitability along the way," with details forthcoming.
  • CFO Jones said the wider 2026 EBITDA guidance range factors in potential complications from "inflation increases as well as tariffs," as well as the timing of realized benefits from 2026 investments and global macro uncertainty.
  • TikTok was identified as a major driver for new digital customer acquisition at notably favorable customer acquisition cost, with influencer campaigns (e.g, lymphatic drainage) impacting multiple channels.
  • Management detailed that product differentiation and new product launches will be used to minimize channel conflict as sales channels expand.
  • The company stated it plans to leverage excess manufacturing capacity to support bolt-on acquisitions, aiming for margin enhancement through fixed-cost leverage.

Industry glossary

  • Adjusted EBITDA: Earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation, and amortization as adjusted for certain non-recurring items, used to evaluate core operational profitability.
  • Subscription Auto-Ship: Recurring product delivery program that enables predictable, repeat revenues through scheduled customer orders in digital channels.
  • Customer Acquisition Cost (CAC): The average expense incurred to gain a new customer, including digital ad spend and marketing initiatives.
  • TAM (Total Addressable Market): The total market demand for a product or service, as referenced for measuring potential growth opportunity in health supplements.

Full Conference Call Transcript

Operator: Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for participating in today's conference call to discuss Nature's Sunshine's financial results for the fourth quarter and full year ended December 31, 2025. Joining us today are Nature's Sunshine's CEO, Ken Romanzi; CFO, Shane Jones; and General Counsel, Nate Brower. Following their remarks, we'll open the call for analyst questions. Before we go further, I would like to turn the call over to Mr. Brower as he reads the company's safe harbor statement within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 that provides important cautions regarding forward-looking statements. Nate, please go ahead.

Nathan Brower: Thank you. Good afternoon, and thanks for joining our conference call to discuss our fourth quarter and full year 2025 financial results. I'd like to remind everyone that this call is available for replay by telephonic dial-in through March 24 and by a live webcast that will be posted on the Investor Relations portion of our website at ir.naturesunshine.com. The information on this call contains forward-looking statements. These statements are often characterized by terminologies such as believe, hope, may, anticipate, expect, will and other similar expressions. Forward-looking statements are not guarantees of future performance, and the actual results may be materially different from the results implied by forward-looking statements.

Factors that could cause results to differ materially from those implied herein include, but are not limited to, those factors disclosed in the company's annual report on Form 10-K under the risk -- under the caption Risk Factors and other reports filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission. The information on this call speaks only as of today's date, and the company disclaims any duty to update the information provided herein. Now I would like to turn the call over to the CEO of Nature's Sunshine, Ken Romanzi. Ken?

Kenneth Romanzi: Thank you, Nate, and good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for joining our fourth quarter and full year 2025 earnings call. I've now been at Nature's Sunshine for 131 days, and I am even more delighted to be here than when I last spoke to you on our third quarter earnings call on November 6 of last year. Nature's Sunshine delivered another terrific quarter, growing sales 5% and EBITDA 10% by continuing to execute against its key drivers of success, leading to its highest annual sales level ever. But I'm most pleased by what I have found in this great company over the past 3 months. Simply put, I love what I see.

2 very strong brands steeped in heritage and quality, Nature's Sunshine and Synergy, operating in the large global and rapidly growing category of natural health supplements. A globally diverse business operating in over 40 countries around the world. Exceptional product development capabilities. Sourcing and blending hundreds of Nature's best ingredients from around the world and scientifically verifying their effectiveness. An army of independent consultants passionately representing our products every day to consumers all over the world. A rapidly growing digital business penetrating new channels driven by a subscription strategy that enables consistent recurring revenue streams. A rock-solid balance sheet with nearly $100 million in cash and no debt.

And last but not least, a passionate, mission-driven organization dedicated to elevating people's lives globally through improving their health and economic well-being while delivering industry-leading results for our shareholders. Suffice to say, I see so much to build upon at Nature's Sunshine, and I believe we can drive even more accelerated growth going forward. I will share an outline for the future of Nature's Sunshine after our CFO, Shane Jones, provides the details of our strong fourth quarter performance. Shane?

Shane Jones: Thank you, Ken. We are pleased to report another outstanding quarter with strong growth across North America and Europe. This growth continues to be bolstered by our expansion into new digital channels, strong adoption of our subscription auto-ship programs, exceptional new customer acquisitions and strong partnerships with our independent consultants across the globe. Our efforts to modernize the business expand digital capabilities and strengthen customer and consultant engagement continue to pay big dividends. Now diving into specific financial performance. Net sales in the fourth quarter were $123.8 million, representing our second largest quarter in company history and our strongest fourth quarter ever.

This represents a 5% increase versus $118.2 million in the year ago quarter or a 4% increase excluding the impact of foreign exchange rates. Growth was driven by continued acceleration in both North America and Europe. Net sales for the full year 2025 finished at $480.1 million, our best year ever and slightly higher than the high end of our most recent guidance range. This compares to $454.4 million of net sales in 2024 and represents 6% year-over-year growth or 5% excluding the impact of foreign exchange.

These results reinforce the traction we're seeing from our digital and other transformation initiatives, the strength of our product portfolio manufactured in-house with the very highest quality ingredients and the power of our passionate and knowledgeable independent consultants. Looking at our results in more detail, let's start with regional performance. In North America, we continue to see building momentum as digital accelerates while maintaining our core business of specialty retailers, practitioners, affiliates and independent consultants. Q4 sales grew 6% year-over-year to $37.4 million. We're particularly excited about the strength in our digital business, which continued to show exceptional growth in Q4, increasing 47% versus prior year.

Our work to move to an improved platform, leverage digital tools, optimize our digital marketing, enhance the customer experience and increase lifetime value continues to pay off, evidenced by our -- by very robust growth in new customers coupled with better retention and frequency from returning customers. Similar to what we reported in Q3, during Q4, we saw new digital customers nearly double compared to the prior year. We're also pleased to see very strong adoption of our subscription auto program. This program provides the strongest value proposition for the consumer while improving consistent use to ensure the very best results for improved health.

It also promotes increased frequency and retention and provides the company with a predictable recurring revenue stream. In Q4, digital subscriptions coming through our website increased 260 basis points versus prior year to 47% of revenue. And subscription auto-ship on TikTok, which only started this past summer, reached 25% of TikTok revenue. Finally, we also continue to make progress with the efficiency of our digital marketing spend, which is resulting in meaningful improvements in customer acquisition cost and enhanced return on ad spend. We are excited to see these fundamentals continue to move in the right direction, validating the strategic investments we are making and strengthening our confidence that we will meet and exceed the goals we have set.

As we've said many times, digital momentum is a key component of our broader transformation and represents an important long-term growth lever for our business. As digital continues to see robust growth, we expect continued mid-single-digit revenue growth in North America during 2026. Sales in Asia Pacific declined 1% year-over-year to $55.7 million or a 1% decline on a constant-currency basis. As we highlighted in our discussion last quarter, Q4 was a very difficult compare for APAC as sales increased 21% in constant currency terms during Q4 2024. This performance over that difficult compare was driven by outstanding execution in China and Japan, where sales increased 35% and 21%, respectively, excluding the impact of foreign exchange.

We are pleased with the commitment and strong execution from our independent consultants in both markets, which has allowed Japan to sustain 20%-plus growth for 6 consecutive quarters now and has helped to drive the meaningful turnaround in China. In addition to great execution, strong adoption of our subscription auto-ship program also continues to drive meaningful growth along with predictable recurring revenue. We are seeing rapid adoption of this program across all of our markets in APAC. In Japan, subscription auto-ship accounts for nearly half of all sales in that market. We only recently launched the subscription auto-ship program in China during the first half of 2025.

Last quarter, we announced that the program already accounted for 12% of sales in Q3. We are pleased to report that subscription auto-ship in China continued to surge in Q4, increasing to 18% of revenue. We are very pleased with the progress being made in APAC and expect continued mid-single-digit growth from this region in the coming year but acknowledge the inherent lumpiness of quarter-to-quarter sales due to the nature of our field activation efforts. We're also pleased with the continued strength in our European business, where Q4 sales increased 18% versus the prior year to $25.2 million or 14% on a constant currency basis. These outstanding results were driven by 23% growth in Eastern Europe in local currency terms.

The strength in Eastern Europe has been fueled by improved product availability as we have worked to ensure appropriate in-stock levels of our key products where we see high demand. This improvement was combined with outstanding execution from our independent consultants and some economic stabilization in the region. This remarkable growth is a testament to the perseverance and commitment of our staff in that area, given the continued war in the region. For 2026, we continue -- we expect continued mid-single-digit growth in Europe as well. Now turning to gross margin. We continue to build on the progress we've made over the past several quarters as gross margin increased 55 basis points to 72.5% compared to 72.0% a year ago.

This improvement represents the benefit of our ongoing gross margin initiatives and favorable market mix. We've been talking about these margin improvement efforts for some time. These initiatives include renegotiating logistics contracts, better conversion costs through improved manufacturing efficiency, improved sourcing, more disciplined pricing and other cost-saving measures. We're proud of our team's continued efforts to streamline our supply chain and pleased to see the benefit reflected in our results. As we look forward, we anticipate continued modest improvement in gross margin during 2026 but note that some uncertainty remains around the impact of tariffs and inflation.

Therefore, gross margins are likely to settle into the upper 72% range during 2026, which represents a significant step up from where we've been historically. Volume incentives as a percentage of net sales were 29.1% compared to 31.1% in the year ago quarter. The decrease was primarily due to the strong growth in our digital business as well as changes in market mix. Selling, general and administrative expenses during the fourth quarter were $48.4 million compared to $43.7 million in the year ago quarter. As a percentage of net sales, SG&A expenses were 39.1% for the fourth quarter compared to 35.7% a year ago.

The $4.7 million increase versus prior year was primarily related to digital ad spend, variable costs associated with the sales increase and nonrecurring expenses. The decision to increase digital ad spend during Q4 was based upon the opportunity for very strong customer acquisition at a favorable customer acquisition cost. Looking forward to 2026, we expect quarterly SG&A of $46 million to $48 million. Operating income increased to $5.3 million or 4.3% of net sales compared to $4.6 million or 3.8% of net sales in the year ago quarter.

GAAP net income attributable to common shareholders for the fourth quarter was $4.1 million or $0.23 per diluted common share compared to a loss of $0.3 million or $0.02 per diluted common share in the year ago quarter. Adjusted EBITDA, as defined in our earnings release, increased 16% to $11.9 million compared to $10.3 million in the year ago quarter. The increase was primarily driven by the growth in net sales and improvement in gross margin. Adjusted EBITDA for the full year 2025 was $49.4 million, above the high end of our most recent guidance range and representing 22% growth versus 2024.

The increase for both the quarter and the full year was driven by the increase in net sales, improved gross margin and cost leverage. Our balance sheet remains clean with cash and cash equivalents of $93.9 million and 0 debt. Inventory increased to $68.3 million at the fourth -- end of the fourth quarter, a $1 million increase versus Q3 as we work to replenish inventory after the robust growth seen in Q3 and Q4. We expect to see a moderate increase in inventory during 2026 to ensure appropriate in-stock levels and fulfill continued strong demand. Net cash provided by operating activities was $35.3 million compared to $25.3 million in the prior year.

We repurchased 1.3 million shares for approximately $16.3 million or $12.95 per share during the year ended December 31, 2025, with $17.4 million remaining on our share repurchase program. Looking beyond share repurchases, our healthy capital allocation structure positions us well to continue our digital transformation and other strategic initiatives. Now turning to our 2026 outlook. We expect full year 2026 net sales to range between $500 million and $515 million compared to $480 million for 2025. This equates to year-over-year growth of 4% to 7%. For adjusted EBITDA, we are guiding to a range of $50 million to $54 million, representing year-over-year growth between 1% and 9%.

This guidance includes measured investments to improve our technology infrastructure, drive further customer acquisition, advance geographic expansion, expand penetration in existing markets and accelerate product innovation. While these investments will temper our 2026 EBITDA from our consistent double-digit growth rate, we see strong momentum in the business and believe that now is the time to make these key investments in order to position the company for more rapid, sustained growth in 2027 and beyond. Overall, we continue to believe the business is well positioned to capitalize on current opportunities in a growing market and remain very optimistic about our ability to continue to unlock the substantial growth prospects that we see.

The strategic initiatives we've been implementing are working, and we're confident in our ability to continue to accelerate growth in sales, profitability and free cash flow. Now I'll turn the time back to Ken for some further commentary.

Kenneth Romanzi: Thank you, Shane. Very well done. As I mentioned earlier, I see many opportunities for Nature's Sunshine. To take advantage of those opportunities, we're doubling down in 2026 to make the investments Shane shared with you to accelerate our growth. We're setting a goal of growing Nature's Sunshine to $1 billion in sales with improved profitability along the way. As our plan is still in its early stages, we will present more details of when and how we'll get there in future presentations. But simply put, we expect to accelerate our top line growth ahead of the 4% to 5% we've been growing over the past few years and then leverage that higher growth to improve our bottom line profitability.

We're calling our accelerated growth plan Nature's Sunshine vision for growth. The core drivers of our vision for growth include the following 7 elements. One, continued rapid expansion of our digital business into new channels. Two, deeper penetration in our core direct selling markets. Three, expansion -- geographic expansion in new high-value markets. Four, exploring opportunities in retail channels. Five, deepening our consumer relationship with differentiated brand positioning, marketing and product innovation for both Nature's Sunshine and Synergy. Six, leveraging our supply chain for scale efficiencies. And seven searching for complementary accretive M&A opportunities. By executing our vision for growth, we see $1 billion in sales clearly in our grasp.

The future has never been brighter for Nature's Sunshine, and I look forward to sharing more about our vision for growth in the near future. Thank you for your time today and your continued support of Nature's Sunshine. I would now like to turn the call back to the operator for questions. Operator?

Operator: [Operator Instructions] And your first question comes from the line of Brian Holland from D.A. Davidson.

Brian Holland: Congratulations on the strong 2025 results. Maybe just starting, Shane, with the outlook for 2026. You've obviously provided a wider range of outcomes on the EBITDA line than the net sales line. I assume that's fairly straightforward, i.e., obviously you talked about more investment behind advertising, marketing, et cetera, as well as innovation, bringing new products to market, et cetera. So is it as simple as kind of the bottom end of the EBITDA range assumes that those investments don't kind of perform at the level that maybe some of the incremental investment that you put into the business in the second half of 2025 showed?

And maybe -- and similarly, maybe just help me understand also the midpoint and the high end of the range, does the midpoint assume that 2026 looks similar to the second half '25? And maybe the high end is better? Just trying to understand what's all in there. Sorry, that was kind of a jumbled one, but...

Shane Jones: Yes. No, that's okay, Brian. Yes. No, so absolutely. There's a lot of things that are going into -- obviously into those EBITDA projections that we have out there. One of it, as we talked about, there's still some uncertainty about things like tariffs and inflation. And so at the bottom end, obviously, we've got some bigger impacts from potential inflation increases as well as tariffs this year. We also have the impact then most of our investment -- the investments we're talking about, we're making considerable investments in many different ways as you saw there. Some of those benefit us this year. Many of those -- the real benefit comes in the out years, in '27 and beyond.

So that is incorporated into that as well. And then there's also just some macro uncertainty currently in the world with what's happening with current war that's out there and all the implications that, that could have for the consumer, for oil prices, for all of that. We've tried to encompass all of those factors into our guidance. And so that's why you have a little bit bigger range from that $50 million to $54 million. Does that answer your question?

Brian Holland: Yes. No, that's extremely helpful. I appreciate it. And then maybe just a good segue into 2026, your comment about some of the uncertainties here. We're 2/3 of the way through 1Q '26. A number of factors both within the past week and maybe even earlier in the quarter to consider. Just any sense about how the consumer -- your core consumer is holding up in some of your strategic initiatives here as we're early in 2026. Any commentary about that relative to how '25 finished off for you?

Shane Jones: Yes. We're still seeing very strong consumer demand in our markets. We've talked about some of the demand, like what you saw in Q4 across the digital, places like digital, and China continues to be very, very strong. Japan, and we are seeing no letup in the current quarter from those trends.

Brian Holland: And then maybe just to...

Kenneth Romanzi: And keep in mind because of the recent issues in the world, that I don't even think they showed up at the gas pump yet. So we haven't seen anything...

Shane Jones: Yes. To summarize, we're not seeing anything yet. We're still seeing very strong demand, but who knows?

Brian Holland: I appreciate it changes by the day. And then maybe just to finish off on kind of some of the long-term stuff that you teased there, Ken. Maybe first of all, obviously when you -- you guys have really kind of stepped into something here, the digital side with North America, the auto subscribe in China. And I imagine those are things you're going to double down on, obviously, sort of embedded within the outlook for 2026. You're going to continue to lean into some of this. What have you learned about the addressable market for Nature's Sunshine over the past year?

Is there any way to quantify the extent to which that's expanded that might inform kind of $1 billion business at some point in the future? I know you haven't pinned down to a time on that. And then maybe just a second one on that. Would that be -- are you assuming the path to $1 billion would be all organic? Or is -- or could M&A be part of that path to $1 billion? And I'll leave it there.

Kenneth Romanzi: Yes. Great. Thank you. Well, first of all, what we've seen in the market, this is a big and growing market. And depending on what sources you use, you can look at health and wellness trends, you can look at total supplement trends, you can look at natural supplement trends. There's a lot of different sources and we're honing in on what source we really want to use to kind of measure our market share. But basically, the market's been growing mid-single digits, 5%, 6%. And it's projected to like step up to grow a little bit higher than that, maybe 6% to 7% in what we're measuring in terms of health supplements going forward.

Because if you look at health and wellness trends, some of the data includes exercise equipment, weight loss, GLP-1. We're really looking at the supplement market. So it's large. The TAM is huge. And we've looked at market share in some places. And right now, we're looking at per capita consumption, and there's just opportunity everywhere. In some of our strongest markets, we only have like a 2% to 3% share of health supplements. So we just think there's tremendous opportunity to both grow with the market as well as increase market share. In terms of growth going forward, to double the business in 10 years, you got to grow 7% a year.

To double a business in 7 years, you got to grow about 10% or 11% a year. So we think that there's strong organic growth, but we also think that new channels and M&A have to play a part in that. So I listed a menu of things. We're not leaving anything unturned. But as we've discussed it with the Board, it depends on how fast we want to get there. We believe there's opportunities in the M&A area because we have capacity in our manufacturing facility.

So we can do bolt-on acquisitions and get a lot of variable margin by leveraging our fixed costs in our manufacturing facility as well as perhaps brands that might be able to help us get into other channels. So we have amazing product development. We have 2 brands and we're going to open up our aperture and not be limited by whatever channel we've done in the past. We have so much product development capabilities. We could probably have different products in different channels underneath the brands we already have even before we consider buying anything new.

Operator: And your next question comes from the line of Susan Anderson from Canaccord Genuity.

Susan Anderson: I guess maybe I kind of wanted to drill down a little bit on the strong digital growth in North America. I guess I'm kind of curious if you're seeing customers come to the site, maybe they were buying your products in another channel or elsewhere, or I guess how are you guys acquiring these customers? And then also when they do go to the site, I guess, are they purchasing any different products you're seeing in other channels? Are they looking for anything different? Or it's kind of basically their interest is very similar to consumers purchasing in another channel.

Shane Jones: Great question, Susan. So one of the things that we're starting to really appreciate is this is an ecosystem. As we're opening different channels in digital, all of those digital channels actually are synergistic and feed one another. Let me give you an example. We've been utilizing TikTok lately and have seen tremendous results in customer acquisition there. And we're able to drive new customer acquisition at a CAC that's way lower than anything we've seen in other channels. Those customers come into TikTok, purchase first time on TikTok, but then many times they'll go and then buy something -- and sometimes they don't even buy on TikTok.

They'll go to Amazon and they'll buy the product on Amazon, or they might go to our website, or they might even go to one of our independent consultants and actually buy something there. So it is -- and it feeds that way across all of those channels. So I think we're getting to an inflection point where we're starting to see those benefits and starting frankly to understand them well enough to feed them in the right way so that we're utilizing our digital media in the right way to get a very strong return on that.

We understand when we acquire a customer how much it costs to acquire that customer and then what we're going to get in the lifetime value of that customer and then just maximizing that, improving retention as we go along the way. So we're excited about what we're seeing because the real fuel here is new customer acquisition, which is coming largely through TikTok, but also through the other channels. But then that overflows into virtually everything else we're doing.

Kenneth Romanzi: Yes. And the thing I'd add is that if you think about your own -- you or your own family's purchase behavior, or I just look at our family, we don't shop in just one place. Sometimes we shop in a retail store. Sometimes we get the same item at Amazon. Sometimes we get it directly through a website. Some people come to our website, learn about it, but then they can't avoid free shipping being a Prime member on Amazon, so they go there. We have a great example of this ecosystem that Shane just mentioned. We worked with an influencer on TikTok.

And that influencer got really excited about one of the items that I think was #83 in our lineup in North America. It's called lymphatic drainage and lymphatic drainage is a hot health issue right now. We work with this influencer and not only did they sell an amazing amount on TikTok Shop, we sold a lot more on Amazon, a lot more in our nsp.com and then a lot more amongst our independent consultants. So an influencer on TikTok created this unbelievable demand across all of the whole ecosystem. And everybody, every channel benefited from that. So they're not as distinct as we sometimes talk about them because consumers are shopping everywhere every day and they're mixing it up.

And it's just the power of if we are where the consumer is, we can benefit from that. And that item drove to be our #1 item last year across the board after being like #83 for years.

Susan Anderson: Okay. Great. So it sounds like you guys are definitely acquiring new customers. So I guess as you think about kind of like this plan to accelerate growth to $1 billion and maybe go into some additional channels such as retail, I guess, the thought is that you'll continue to drive new customer acquisition through those new channels. I guess, is there any point where there is risk of kind of cannibalizing the older channels such as some of the partners that you work with and everything?

Kenneth Romanzi: Well, one of the ways we can do this is we can do it through product differentiation. So we still want to treat our independent consultants very special. Right now, there's a lot of times where they bring consumers in and then people jump off to Amazon. So that is a little bit of channel conflict, but we believe we have enough products to feed the channel. So if you think about our independent consultant business and direct-to-consumer alone, we've got enough to feed those independently to drive growth because our independent consultants can't sell everything and we can't sell everything DTC.

We can't concentrate on the amount of new product activity that we have coming down the pipeline because at some point, you can have too much. So we're fortunate enough to have such a robust pipeline. We're going to be able to start to differentiate and pick our way through to drive growth because I'm not very patient. And when my product development team has a great idea, I'm not going to wait for a channel to be ready. We're going to go find where the consumers are and we'll open up the channels necessary to make sure that we have an outlet for the strong product pipeline we have coming down the road.

Susan Anderson: Congrats again on another great quarter.

Operator: And at this time, this concludes our question-and-answer session. I would now like to turn the call back over to Mr. Romanzi for closing remarks.

Kenneth Romanzi: Well, thank you for your questions. Thank you for your attention. We're really excited, as you can tell, about Nature's Sunshine. I just -- I see these 2 -- both brands, Nature's Sunshine and Synergy, powered by an amazing organization with great product development capabilities. If we just open up our aperture just a little bit to think about being where the consumers are, that lymphatic drainage example is a great one to share with you that if we start to untap that type of potential and not be limited by our channel scope, we really believe we can accelerate the growth. It's not doing the same thing the same way.

We're going to take all of the great levers that the team's been working on and replicate that and add a few new levers to accelerate our growth. So we're looking forward to sharing more details of that plan going forward. So thanks so much for your time and attention and your continued support in Nature's Sunshine.

Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.