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DATE
Friday, Apr. 24, 2026 at 2 p.m. ET
CALL PARTICIPANTS
- Chief Executive Officer — Corey Chambas
- President — David Seiler
- Chief Financial Officer — Brian Spielmann
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TAKEAWAYS
- Loan Growth -- Loans increased by $126 million, or 15%, with $90 million (72% of growth) occurring in March, reflecting pull-forward activity from the second quarter.
- Core Deposit Growth -- Core deposits grew 18% sequentially from Q4 and 14% year over year, with growth attributed to multiple bank markets and private wealth clients.
- Fee Income -- Fee income rose by nearly 16% due to strength in Private Wealth, service charges (up over 26%), and improved performance in other fee sources.
- Private Wealth Revenue -- The Private Wealth business generated record revenue of $3.9 million, representing an 11% increase and over 40% of total quarterly fee income.
- Net Income & EPS -- Net income and earnings per share grew by more than 9% compared to the prior year, despite a return to normalized net interest margin levels.
- Tangible Book Value per Share -- Tangible book value per share increased 14%, attributed to disciplined capital deployment and strong quarterly earnings.
- Net Interest Margin (NIM) -- NIM was reported at 3.56%, up 3 basis points sequentially; adjusted for accrual day differences, NIM would be 3.61% and in line with internal expectations.
- Credit Quality and Nonperforming Assets -- Asset quality was stable in the performing portfolio, while $3.4 million of land development loans from a $20.4 million nonperforming CRE position were sold at par, reducing nonperforming asset levels.
- Expense Trends -- Compensation expense increased $1.4 million, mainly due to seasonal payroll tax resets, 401(k) contributions, merit increases, and a 5.7% rise in full-time equivalents; professional fees grew $445,000, driven by recruiting and annual legal costs.
- Charge-Offs -- Charge-offs totaled 25 basis points for the quarter, with an expectation that the annual average will align near 20 basis points barring unforeseen developments.
- Effective Tax Rate -- The effective tax rate was 15.2%, with guidance for an annual range of 16%-18% for 2026.
- Capital Deployment -- Management continues to prioritize reinvestment in organic growth while monitoring the suitability of alternative capital management tools.
SUMMARY
First Business Financial Services (FBIZ 2.20%) emphasized continued execution of its five-year strategic plan, with leadership transition from Corey Chambas to David Seiler expected next week and ongoing board involvement by Chambas. Management anticipates softer loan growth in the second quarter due to known payoffs and lighter pipelines, with normalization in the second half supporting achievement of the 10% annual growth target. Private Wealth revenues, now comprising more than 40% of fee income, demonstrated stability and annuity-like characteristics crucial for revenue diversification. Progress in resolving nonperforming assets is ongoing, although the remaining $17 million in CRE loans are unlikely to see further resolution before the second half of 2026. Fee income growth, driven by Private Wealth, service charges, and SBIC investments, is guided for a 10% annual increase, with an expectation of some quarterly lumpiness.
- Brian Spielmann stated, "Margin performance is expected to be driven primarily by balance sheet mix and our targeted annual 10% loan and core deposit growth rather than additional rate tailwinds."
- Ongoing hiring in Kansas City and across other regions is expected to support future growth objectives as management views talent acquisition as a key driver.
- Expense run rate established in the first quarter is expected to serve as a baseline for the full year, reflecting typical seasonal adjustments.
- Resolution efforts for the Southeast Wisconsin CRE nonperforming asset include foreclosure processes, with timing dependent on judicial proceedings "moving through the court system very, very slowly."
- Management views asset-based lending and accounts receivable finance teams as meaningful sources of future expansion.
INDUSTRY GLOSSARY
- SBIC: Small Business Investment Company; a program involving investments in private investment funds licensed and regulated by the Small Business Administration, providing capital to small businesses.
- CRE: Commercial Real Estate; a loan or asset class relating to income-producing property such as offices, apartment buildings, or industrial properties.
- NIM: Net Interest Margin; measures the difference between interest income generated and interest paid out, relative to average earning assets.
- FTE: Full-Time Equivalent; represents an employee headcount normalized to a full-time schedule for staffing analysis.
Full Conference Call Transcript
We are very pleased with our strong start to 2026. Our team's execution was exceptional. We won new relationships in a highly competitive environment, growing loans and deposits at a pace that well exceeded our expectations. We grew fee income by nearly 16% year-over-year with strong contributions from multiple sources. I'll highlight our Private Wealth business, which again produced record revenues and provides annuity-like support for our revenue growth and diversification goals. Asset quality remained stable in our core performing portfolio, and we were pleased to see some swift progress toward resolving our largest nonperforming asset, which was downgraded last quarter. At the bottom line, we grew net income and earnings per share by more than 9% over last year's first quarter, even as our margin returned to a more normalized level after being elevated in early 2025, which was residual from the period of rapid Fed tightening. And perhaps most importantly, our strong earnings and disciplined capital deployment drove 14% year-over-year growth in tangible book value per share. This success reflects our commitment to 4 key objectives: prioritizing high-quality relationship-based growth, diversifying our revenue streams, maintaining long-term positive operating leverage and preserving a culture that attracts and keeps the highest quality talent. We are very pleased with the momentum of our first quarter results, which Dave will discuss more now. Dave?
David Seiler: Thank you, Corey. Our outstanding first quarter growth positions us well to achieve our long-term goals. As you know, we aim for 10% loan and core deposit growth on an annual basis. In the first quarter, we grew loans by $126 million or 15%, far outpacing our plan. Growth came from across our markets, led by Madison, Milwaukee and Kansas City, as well as from asset-based lending, which is generating some great momentum under the new leader we brought on a year ago. The growth occurred late in the quarter with $90 million or 72% in March. That had margin implications, which Brian will cover and it included some pull forward of growth we had forecasted for the second quarter.
After an extremely strong first quarter, our pipelines are lighter going into Q2, and we will have some known payoffs in the second quarter. Therefore, we expect the second quarter to be lighter on growth than Q1 with normalization in the second half of the year, placing us on track to achieve our 10% annual growth goal for 2026. Our 10% growth expectations are driven by continued positive trends in our businesses and the banking industry. Our largest markets in Southern Wisconsin continue to benefit from a strong regional economy. Our clients in the manufacturing and distribution space are doing well. Commercial real estate occupancies have remained strong particularly in multifamily properties.
We are also seeing signs that new development is picking up after a slight slowdown in 2024 and 2025. Additionally, we continue to expect the 2026 changes to federal tax policy should be a tailwind for our business clients and C&I portfolio. We continue to see tangible benefits from talent acquisitions as well. We recently hired a new President for our Private Wealth business. We are also seeing positive results from producers and asset-based lending who were hired in the second half of 2025. Obviously, we are looking at the same wildcards as everyone else, and we'll continue to monitor for any impact of oil prices and geopolitical uncertainty. So far, it's been business as usual.
I also want to highlight our exceptional double-digit growth in core deposits this quarter. First quarter balances were up 18% from the linked quarter and up 14% year-over-year. That's not an easy feat in this environment. Our focus on hiring the best treasury management talent and maintaining a disciplined approach to business development continues to pay off. We are pleased to see this core deposit growth coming from multiple bank markets and our private wealth group. Our strength is in taking market share, as you saw this quarter. So we are confident in our team's ability to not only maintain existing client relationships, but also to continue bringing in new deposit balances.
As with loans, we continue to target 10% growth on an annual basis. Another highlight was our strong noninterest income, which grew 16% compared to last year's first quarter. Private Wealth produced record revenue of $3.9 million, up 11% year-over-year. This business consistently generates more than 40% of our total quarterly fee income. Strong deposit growth contributed to service charges increasing more than 26% year-over-year, displaying our team's impressive success in adding and expanding full business banking relationships and our other fee income sources, which tend to be variable from quarter-to-quarter, posted favorable results for the quarter. Moving to credit. We saw some rapid progress on our largest nonperforming asset.
Recall that we downgraded $20.4 million in CRE loans from a single Southeast Wisconsin based client relationship on nonaccrual status last quarter. In Q1, $3.4 million of land development loans in this portfolio were sold at par. You can see the benefit of this to our nonperforming asset ratio on Slide 12 of the earnings supplement. Appraisals exceed carrying values on the land and the remaining $17 million of loans with no specific reserves recorded. We expect ongoing resolution, but the timing will be variable, based on current activity, we don't anticipate additional progress to occur before the second half of 2026. The remainder of our portfolio was stable, and you can see our favorable trends on Slide 11.
Before I hand it off to Brian, I'll note that this is Corey's last call before his retirement next week. I want to thank Corey for his leadership and service to first business bank, it's difficult to summarize as many contributions to our company, so I'll leave you with this. During Corey's tenure as CEO, First Business Bank has produced cumulative shareholder returns of nearly 700% outperforming bank and regional bank indices by a multiple of more than 3x and the Russell 2000 by more than 200 percentage points. This is no coincidence. Cores are visionary, and we are grateful for his leadership and friendship. We are also very happy that Corey will be continuing to serve on our Board.
Now I'll hand it off to Brian.
Brian Spielmann: Well said, Dave, thanks. First quarter net interest margin increased 3 basis points to 356 and there are some noise in both the first and linked quarters. You can see a breakdown of this on Slide 6 of our earnings supplement. First quarter NIM included the 5 basis point impact of fewer accrual days in the quarter. Excluding this impact, first quarter NIM was 361, which will be in line with our internal budget expectations. As a reminder, fourth quarter NIM included 10 basis points of compression from the nonaccrual interest reversal on the downgraded CRE NPL. Excluding this, fourth quarter NIM would have measured [ 3.63 ]. There was no nonaccrual interest reversal activity in Q1.
The 2 basis point difference in these adjusted NIM measurements primarily reflects the late quarter timing of loan growth. As Dave mentioned, the bulk of our significant loan growth came late in the quarter. Two-thirds of the growth was from our C&I portfolios, which are higher yielding than CRE, and we expect this to benefit our net interest margin going forward. You can see the historical trend of this yield differential on Slide 5 of the earnings supplement. Looking out at the year, we think the early momentum of C&I loan growth in Q1 positions us well to operate within or toward the lower to middle portion of our targeted $3.60 to $3.65 range for the year.
Our outlook assumes a stable to modestly changing interest rate environment. Margin performance is expected to be driven primarily by balance sheet mix and our targeted annual 10% loan and core deposit growth rather than additional rate tailwinds. On the funding side, ongoing core deposit growth has improved our funding mix over time, and we continue to manage deposit pricing with discipline in a competitive environment. Where needed, we supplement with wholesale funding to match fund fixed rate loans and maintain NIM stability. On noninterest income and expense, I'll remind you that quarterly comparisons are impacted by last quarter's accounting classification change related to limited partnership investments.
Specifically, last quarter, we reclassified $904,000 out of our other noninterest expense and into other noninterest income to net against the related revenue. This expense represented the bank's share of costs for the first 9 months of 2025 related to our latest run of limited partnership investments. Our strong first quarter fee income supports our expectation of 10% growth for the full year compared to 2025, and we view first quarter as a good starting point for quarterly fee income in 2026. Looking at expenses, we saw the typical first quarter increases related to compensation.
Compensation expense increased by about $1.4 million in Q4, mainly due to first quarter resets for payroll taxes and 401(k) match contributions along with annual merit increases and higher average FTEs, which were up about 5.7% from a year ago. Looking ahead, payroll taxes will come down throughout the year, but new FTE adds will go up. Professional fees were also higher in Q1, increasing by about $445,000 in Q4. Elevated recruiting costs and seasonal legal fees related to the company's annual 10-K and proxy filings drove the increase. We typically base our full year expense forecast on first quarter actuals, which remain an appropriate run rate for 2026.
I'll reiterate that our primary expense management objective is achieving annual positive operating leverage that is annual expense growth at some level modestly below our target level of 10% annual revenue growth. The effective tax rate was 15.2% for the first quarter. Our effective tax rate varies modestly quarter-to-quarter, in part due to the timing of tax benefits received from our investment and limited partnerships and the timing of stock compensation vesting activity. We continue to expect our effective tax rate will be within our expected annual range of 16% to 18% for 2026. Finally, our strong earnings have continued to generate excess capital to facilitate organic growth.
We continue to believe reinvestment in the growth of the company provides the best return for our shareholders. We do, of course, evaluate all capital management tools at our disposal to maximize shareholder returns. And now I'll hand it back over to Cory.
Corey Chambas: Thank you, Brian and Dave. Dave was the architect of our current 5-year strategic plan, and you can see our outstanding progress toward achieving the goals of this plan on Slide 15. I believe nothing has been more instrumental to achieving the success than our culture. So I'll take a final opportunity to bang the drum on this. Our culture defines us and it is our secret sauce. It is in the DNA of First Business Bank to be passionate about our people and obsessed with our strategic plan, and it's foundational to our mission to be an entrepreneurial partner to our clients, investors and communities. This intense cultural focus has been fundamental in achieving our superior long-term shareholder returns.
It has been my north star of sorts, and I'm confident Dave's leadership will bring continued success. We have the right team in place to continue achieving both strong earnings and above industry growth, and I'm excited for the future of First Business Bank. Thank you for taking time to join us today. We're happy to take your questions now.
Operator: Thank you. The floor is now open for questions. [Operator Instructions]. Your first question comes from the line of Daniel Tamayo of Raymond James.
Daniel Tamayo: Thank you. Good afternoon, everybody. First, I just wanted to say congratulations on your retirement, Cory. It's been a pleasure working with you over the last few years and obviously, good luck to Dave. I guess on the heels of that, I'll throw out a longer-term question here for you, Dave, as you look to the future. Looking at Slide 15 with your goals and progress on it in the 2024 to 2028 goals from a profitability perspective, you guys, obviously, have talked about this 10% growth, and I think that certainly holds.
But just curious how you think about from a profitability perspective, I guess, if it's efficiency or return on tangible common equity, how do you anticipate changing any of these long-term goals and progress, the slide or anything like that as you think about your leadership. And if not, what's the plan over the next few years to get these to get or keep these numbers kind of at these levels?
David Seiler: Yes, good question. So we are -- our strategic plan is a 5-year strategic plan. We're a little over 2 years into it. And every quarter or more often, we look at all of these metrics and evaluate if there's still the right metrics for us to be looking at. And I would say right now, you look at our efficiency ratio, for example, that blipped up a little bit this quarter for reasons that I think we've outlined in some of our comments already. So we expect that to kind of return to where we wanted to be over the next -- over the balance of the year and in the upcoming quarters.
At this point, we still think these are good metrics for us to be working on, and we've identified 5 strategies from our strategic plan, and we have teams of leaders working on each of the strategies. And at this point, I think we think they're all -- these are the right targets for us.
Daniel Tamayo: All right. Good start, Dave.
David Seiler: I am not official yet, Danny.
Daniel Tamayo: All right. Fair enough. And then I think I get what you guys are saying on the margin. I'm assuming this is going to be an annual thing. I mean it's just the math, right, of the fewer days in the first quarter. But as we think about modeling the margin we should think about modeling that down a bit in the first quarter going forward and then popping back up in the second quarter remaining in that -- the targeted range, Brian?
Brian Spielmann: Yes. That's a fair statement. I would say we're always going to have the first quarter accrual mechanics issue, right? But for us, specifically for this quarter, to me, it was more of a timing difference on when our funding came in versus when we deployed that funded in the quarter. That to me is more of the driver on why the NIM was reported outside of our range. If we would have had the loan growth aligned with that funding growth earlier in the quarter, the NIM would have been within our range. So that's more of it.
But I think your point is bad, though in terms of the quarterly first quarter estimates that there's going to be that day basis impact us all.
Daniel Tamayo: Okay. And as it relates to that dynamic with the late in the quarter loan growth, like you're thinking basically the margin comes back up into the range in the second quarter and then relatively stable from there?
Brian Spielmann: Yes.
Daniel Tamayo: Okay. All right. I will step back -- appreciate it.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Jeff Rulis of D.A. Davidson.
Jeff Rulis: I wanted to check on the expenses. Brian got your comments there. I just seemed a little high. I mean maybe I'm just still updating the model on the reclass a little bit. But if I heard that right, that this level kind of flat line for the year? If I guess, if I just annualize it and then run it off of across full year '25, something in the high single digits. Is that kind of where we should be thinking?
Brian Spielmann: Exactly, spot on.
Jeff Rulis: Okay. while I got you, Brian, on the -- do you have the margin for the month of March, just to try to jump off point.
Brian Spielmann: We don't have that. And it would be influenced by the late growth. That's kind of the point behind the late growth commentary is that the more Q1 margin of $359 million being impacted -- sorry, by 356 being impacted by that. So it's going to be pushing us back into our range based on that March activity.
Jeff Rulis: Okay. Fair enough. You were pretty clear about the resuming back into that range. So I'll stick with that. Just was curious. Maybe just the last 1 on the growth. Dave, I think you alluded to the geography, but maybe the -- do you have a breakout of maybe the mix of that growth pretty strong, but was it the mix of existing customers versus new? I think you mentioned maybe that was a 60-40 split last quarter or something, but just trying to get a sense for market share gains or existing customers?
Brian Spielmann: Yes. Well, we don't have a mix between existing clients and new clients. I think it was as we stated before, it was really across all of our Southern Wisconsin bank market. It's in Kansas City as well as asset-based lending. I would say within those groups, it really wasn't concentrated in any particular area. It was spread fairly evenly. And I would say, always our growth is going to be driven by new. We do more loans to existing clients over time. but the driver of our growth is always going to be new client relationships. Well, I think 1 of the things you can look at that reinforces that is the growth in our service fee income. Debt.
We've had very rapid growth in our service fee income, and you don't get that without adding new clients. On service charges?
Jeff Rulis: Yes, Yes. Okay. And Corey, thanks for the conversations over the years, all the best and appreciate what you've done, and Dave, I look forward to catching up in Nashville in a couple of weeks. So thanks.
Brian Spielmann: Thanks, Jeff. Thanks, Jo.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Nathan Race of Piper Sandler.
Nathan Race: Comments earlier. Congratulations, Cory, Dave. -- been great. I wanted to checking on just the fee income outlook, Brad, I think you mentioned kind of a stable outlook. Just curious kind of what momentum you're seeing on the SBA front. Obviously, Wealth Management has shown some nice growth year-over-year as well. So just curious how you're thinking about kind of the overall year-over-year trajectory?
Brian Spielmann: I can speak to the total broader fee income piece and then maybe Dave has a couple of comments on SBA. But the total fee income line, I think, is consistent with the prior messaging around 10%. And year-over-year growth expectations with Q1 being a good starting point for that? I know we had some noise in Q4, but really strong performance from those more consistent annuity streams for us, private wealth service charges and other, which now includes starting to build more of our SBIC investment product there that will start kicking off more returns as well over time.
But that's really the primary drivers of that fee income, which again, we believe is a 10% growth in total for us throughout '26. Dave.
David Seiler: Yes. And on the SBA side, we actually expected that to be a little bit higher this quarter after the shutdown late last year. But I think as we look at pipelines we expect it to be relatively flat going forward.
Nathan Race: Okay. Got it. And Dave, I think you mentioned earlier, you're expecting some softer growth in the same quarter, just given maybe some pull-through and some expected payoffs this quarter. So is it fair to expect maybe like mid- to low single-digit growth in the same quarter and then get back up to that kind of high to low double -- high single digit to low double-digit trajectory in the back half of the year.
David Seiler: Yes, I think that's probably reasonable for Q2, Nate. A little bit depends on payoffs and those aren't -- some of those are in flux right now. So we can't predict them 100%, but I think that's a reasonable point, and we still expect to be at 10% for the year.
Nathan Race: Okay. And then maybe 1 last one. Any color that you could shed on the charge-offs in the quarter and just how you're budgeting or thinking about charge-offs over the balance of this year. It doesn't sound like there's been much movement on the ABL credit that we've talked about, which again, shouldn't really result in any loss content. But -- and within that context, it also seems like the Southeast properties are still slated to sell that part similar to what we saw this quarter. So we're just hoping to get any color along those lines, please.
David Seiler: So I can talk about the Southeast properties and the asset-based lending credit that we have. So on the Southeast properties last -- last quarter, we talked about how we're going to work this out of this over time. And we started that with a little over $3 million in payoffs with no losses in the past quarter. Right now, we are pursuing foreclosure on the rest of the properties in that nonperforming portfolio. And so we shouldn't really expect any resolution in Q2. That's probably more the back half of the year based on how long those proceedings take in Wisconsin.
And again, as it relates to the asset-based lending credit that's going to be an end of the year type of end most likely. But there -- we've had no negative news there. It's just moving through the court system very, very slowly. But we're being told that's what we should expect in this case.
Nathan Race: Okay. That's helpful. I appreciate the color.
David Seiler: Hey, on the broader charge-off question. I would say for Q1, nothing kind of unusual to report kind of a broad mix of charge-offs coming from SBA, C&I. I will say that EF finance improved from a charge-off perspective from Q4 to Q1. So that's a good indication that we're improving and working for that portfolio. I think we had about 25 basis points of charge-offs in the quarter. little higher than we would think. We tend to think around 20 basis points on average for the year. So -- but nothing that's alarming to us by a means.
Corey Chambas: Just to add to that, Nate, that transportation segment of that equipment finance portfolio, which started out at about $61 million is down to $18.1 million or $18.2 million, something like that. So we're making nice progress on that.
Nathan Race: Okay. Got you. Very helpful. I appreciate all the color. Thanks, guys. Hope have a great weekend.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Damon DelMonte of KBW.
Damon Del Monte: First off, Corey, congratulations on the retirement. I think I've been covering you guys for probably close to 12 years. So it's been an enjoyable run. And Dave, I look forward to working with you in your new role. So congrats.
David Seiler: Thank you.
Damon Del Monte: Sure. So with that, I guess, most of my questions have been asked and answered. But Brian, I may have missed this, but do you know what the fees and low of interest were included in the margin this quarter?
Brian Spielmann: We're about $2.2 million. So that's more in line with kind of run rate, a little bit higher than the run rate. That's up from the prior quarter. But remember, the prior quarter had the nonaccrual interest rate reversal in Q4, so...
Damon Del Monte: Right, right. That's right. Okay. And then kind of along the lines of credit and trying to figure out provisioning going forward. The reserve do you expect to kind of maintain this reserve level? And then if you kind of have average net charge-offs of 20 basis points kind of just back into the provision that way? Is that a good way to think about it?
Brian Spielmann: Yes. That's all I think about it, Dan. I think the macro piece of this equation with the subscribed to Moody's, right? So that's the wildcard. -- with geopolitical, but I think all else equal, you're provisioning for growth off this reserve level with the 20 basis points that's appropriate. And we saw -- for example, this quarter, $1 million of the provision was due to loan growth of about 2.9% in the quarter. So that will come back down. Obviously, as we talked about with Q2 growth coming back down, but yes, with the uncertainty around the macro, to me, that's no change is a reasonable place to be.
Damon Del Monte: Got it. Okay. Great. That pretty much covered everything else. So thanks for taking my questions and take care.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Brian Martin of Brand.
Brian Martin: Just maybe [Audio Gap] where you're optimistic going into the year? [Audio Gap] And maybe areas that aren't really optimistic about in terms of delivering the targeted growth this year.
Brian Spielmann: Sure. Well, I mean, I think if you look for the -- where it's going to come from for the rest of the year, I think we're going to continue to see nice growth in our -- from our ABL team also from our accounts receivable finance team. Kansas City is looking really good. We continue to add talent in Kansas City. And our -- particularly our Southern Wisconsin markets are still strong. We have good teams in both of those markets. So we should continue to see growth there.
Brian Martin: Okay. And in terms of the build-out, it sounds like you're still adding some folks in Kansas City. Is that primarily complete at this point? So you've got a full team there just more areas you're adding down there?
Brian Spielmann: I don't think we'll have a lot more ads down there, Brian, but we could have another ad. And in order for us to continue to grow at 10%, we have to continue to add folks really across our markets. So I think we will likely have another ad in Kansas City this year.
Brian Martin: Got you. Okay. And then maybe just jumping to the -- just the fee income per section. And I appreciate the color you guys have already given your comments, Brian. Just in terms of the lumpiness that kind of seems within this portfolio. Do you still expect some lumpiness count throughout the year? I know the movie made or reclasses just kind of trying to think about the quarterly movement or progression? Is it -- do you expect a little bit more consistency? Is it still going to be a little bit lumpy as we go along?
Brian Spielmann: I would say, yes, is the answer. There's still going to be lumpiness, but that's something we're working on and trying to improve, right? We talked about the success of our private wealth and our service charges, those are becoming more and more consistent in annuity like more so than they had before. And then I also just really kind of briefly talked about our investments in small business investment company funds, -- we're deploying more capital there. There's a 5% limit, right, for regulatory capital, but we're doing that over time to add a more stable level of fee income to the quarterly run rate.
So that will take some time, but that's the part of our process to smooth those earnings out on a quarterly basis. But it's just the nature of swap fees and SBA gains -- it's just going to be lumpy still, but it's why we're really focused on that 10% year-over-year growth.
Brian Martin: Yes. Okay. Okay. that covers -- Damon got the credit cards other than that, I'm good and just the same comment that both guys have made. It's been great working with you over the years, Corey, and I wish you the best in retirement and Dave, it's been good to continue to know you and continue to work going forward. So congrats on everything, and thanks for taking the question.
Brian Spielmann: Thanks, Brian. Thanks, Brian.
Operator: That concludes our Q&A session. I will now turn the conference over back to CEO, Corey Chammas, for closing remarks.
Corey Chambas: Thanks. First, I'd just like to say I appreciate all the relationships I've dealt with all of you over the years. So I will definitely miss that. I miss you all. Overall, I just want to say thanks, everybody, for your interest in First Business Bank joining us today, and I hope everybody has a great weekend.
Operator: This concludes today's conference call. You may now disconnect.
