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DATE

Wednesday, May 6, 2026 at 9:00 a.m. ET

CALL PARTICIPANTS

  • Executive Chairman — Wasef Jabsheh
  • Chief Executive Officer — Waleed Jabsheh

TAKEAWAYS

  • Gross Written Premiums -- $197.2 million, down 4.5%, reflecting cycle management actions and the nonrenewal of two reinsurance programs.
  • Underwriting Income -- $37.7 million, up 35.1%, driving a combined ratio improvement to 89.1% from 94.4%.
  • Combined Ratio -- 89.1%, improved by 5.3 points, with 19.2 points from cat losses (mainly Middle East conflict) and 29 points of favorable prior year reserve development.
  • Book Value Per Share -- $15.60, a slight decrease tied to capital returns to shareholders of almost $65 million.
  • Shareholder Returns -- $51.5 million in dividends, including a special dividend of $1.15, and $13.1 million in share repurchases during the quarter.
  • Return on Average Equity -- 12.7%, with core ROE at 14.3%, consistent with historical averages.
  • Segment Results – Short-tail -- 4% top-line decline, $9.5 million underwriting income, and $15 million of war-related losses mainly in political violence and energy.
  • Segment Results – Reinsurance -- Just under 6% underwriting income increase on lower premiums, due to nonrenewal of two programs but tempered by opportunity in specialty treaty lines.
  • Segment Results – Long-tail -- 22% increase in premiums, significant underwriting income growth of about $25 million, most notably in professional indemnity and marine liability.
  • Investment Income -- Over $14 million from fixed income securities at a 4.3% yield and 3.5 years duration.
  • Total Assets -- $2.1 billion, with $1.3 billion in investments and cash at quarter-end.
  • Catastrophe and Energy Loss Detail -- $15 million in cat losses caused by Middle East conflict, including a $10.5 million energy loss related to a vessel collision with an offshore oil platform.
  • Reserve Releases -- 29 points of favorable prior year reserve development, broadly spread across all segments.
  • Political Violence Book -- Market premium rate increases are stated to be "in the thousands of percentage point increases" with shrinking limits and diminished capacity.
  • Share Repurchase Activity -- 545,000 shares repurchased at a $24.11 average, leaving 4.1 million shares available under an authorization of 5 million.
  • Total Equity -- $653.6 million at quarter-end, reflecting capital returns and down from $710 million at end of 2025.

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RISKS

  • Combined ratio for the period included $15 million of net losses tied to Middle East conflict, with exposure to ongoing regional hostilities cited as a continued source of "uncertainty."
  • Heightened competitive pressures and "irrational" pricing in energy and certain property lines are causing management to actively reduce exposure and emphasize caution in new business selection.
  • Book value per share declined slightly due to large capital return actions, with total equity down to $653.6 million from over $710 million at the end of 2025.
  • Waleed Jabsheh stated, "will there be a continued development of these losses in Q2? Undoubtedly, of course," citing further regional conflict activity following quarter-end.

SUMMARY

Management highlighted substantial underwriting and core operating profit growth despite a 4.5% reduction in gross written premiums, reflecting repositioning amid global instability and the nonrenewal of select reinsurance programs. Capital returns to shareholders, totaling $65 million, reduced book value per share and overall equity even as investment and underwriting results improved year over year. Catastrophe and energy losses related to the Middle East conflict notably impacted the combined ratio, while management emphasized persistent regional uncertainty and further possible loss development into Q2 due to ongoing hostilities.

  • Waleed Jabsheh reported, "Policy structures are improving. Limits are shrinking significantly. And where there's historically been an overabundance of Middle East PV capacity, it's now much, much less ample," highlighting market-wide risk repricing dynamics.
  • Strategic decision-making includes nonrenewing unprofitable business and expanding into specialty treaty and niche long-tail lines, where improved pricing opportunities are emerging.
  • Reserve releases contributed materially to performance, with the approach described as "just a testament to the cautious approach that we always said we take to reserve releases."
  • Exposure in the political violence line is pronounced, but management expects favorable pricing and sustained opportunity regardless of political outcomes or eventual resolution of Middle East conflict.

INDUSTRY GLOSSARY

  • Combined Ratio: An insurance profitability measure calculated as the sum of incurred losses and expenses divided by earned premiums; a ratio under 100% indicates underwriting profit.
  • Political Violence (PV): A class of insurance covering losses arising from war, terrorism, civil unrest, and related perils.
  • Core ROE: Core return on equity, measuring return excluding non-operating items for a normalized gauge of operating profitability.
  • Specialty Treaty: Reinsurance contracts covering specified risks or lines, typically more customized than standard reinsurance treaties.

Full Conference Call Transcript

Wasef will begin the call with some high-level comments before handing over to Waleed to walk through the drivers of the results for the first quarter of 2026 and finish up with our views on market conditions and our outlook for the remainder of the year. Then we'll open the call up for Q&A. I'll begin with some customary safe harbor language. Our speakers' remarks may contain forward-looking statements. Some of the forward-looking statements can be identified by the use of forward-looking words. We caution you that such forward-looking statements should not be regarded as a representation by us that the future plans, estimates or expectations contemplated by us will, in fact, be achieved.

These forward-looking statements involve risks, uncertainties and assumptions. While actual events or results may differ materially from those projected in the forward-looking statements due to a variety of factors, including the risk factors set forth in the company's annual report on Form 20-F for the year ended December 31, 2025. The company's reports on Form 6-K and other filings with the SEC as well as our results press release issued yesterday evening. And we take no -- we undertake no obligation to update or revise publicly any forward-looking statements, which speak only as of the date they are made. During this call, we'll use certain non-GAAP financial measures.

For a reconciliation of these measures to the nearest GAAP measure, please see our earnings release, which has been filed with the SEC and is available on our website. With that, I'll turn the call over to our Executive Chairman, Wasef Jabsheh.

Wasef Jabsheh: Thank you, Robin, and good day, everyone. Thank you for joining us on today's call. As you saw from our first quarter financial results that we issued last night, we are off to a strong start in 2026. On their own, these results are excellent, but viewed in the context of our long-term performance, they underscore the value of consistency and discipline in executing our strategy. Long-term success in our business depends heavily on consistency and discipline. No matter what is going on in the world around us -- this is particularly true for IGI given the scope of our portfolio, the high severity lines of business we are writing and our global footprint.

Our value proposition and promise is to provide peace of mind in times of uncertainty to maximize shareholders' returns over time while being a stable, reliable and fair partner to our customers. The first quarter of 2026 has certainly seen its fair share of uncertainty with the ongoing conflict in the Middle East, socially, politically and economically. It is not just impacting the region, but is having global ramifications as well. Already, we are hearing insured market loss estimate upwards of the EUR 3 billion mark. When we established IGI in Amman, Jordan, almost 25 years ago, our initial focus was almost exclusively on the Middle East region.

It's a region we know and understand well and where our relationships are some of the longest in our history. I'll leave it to Waleed to talk more about our Middle East exposures and the dynamics of what is happening in the region. But before I do, I want to reiterate our -- how pleased I am with our performance in the first quarter, notwithstanding the tragic consequences of the war. As we look ahead to our 25 anniversary year in 2027, I'm immensely proud of all that we have accomplished at IGI. We are a relatively small player in the global insurance landscape, yet we are definitely punching well above our weight in terms of expertise and execution.

This is clearly demonstrated in our financial performance and the significant value that we generate for our shareholders consistently year after year. I will now hand over to Waleed to discuss the numbers in more detail and talk about market conditions and our outlook. And I'll remain on the call for any questions at the end. Waleed?

Waleed Jabsheh: Good morning. Thank you, Wasef, and thank you all for joining us today. As Wasef or like Wasef, I'm very pleased with our performance in the first quarter. In the face of increasing competitive pressures and heightened global uncertainty, our results are a clear demonstration of our resilience and also stability. Our diversified platform and strong and consistent execution provide us with a lot of optionality, as we've said in the past, and I truly commend all of our people for their focus and skill in capitalizing on the opportunities that are coming out for this uncertainty. Just turning specifically to the results for the first quarter.

I'm going to focus on the key points, the drivers behind the numbers, and then we'll open it up for any questions you may have at the end. And I'll start with some key highlights for the first quarter. We recorded gross written premiums of $197.2 million. That's a 4.5% decline from Q1 '25 and reflects our cycle management actions in the face of increasingly tough market conditions. We recorded new business across our portfolio, but this was offset somewhat by the nonrenewal of two reinsurance programs. One non-renewed, which was our decision and the other one where the cedent decided to retain and not buy the reinsurance anymore. Underwriting income came in at $37.7 million.

That's an increase of 35.1% over the first quarter of 2025, and that resulted in a combined ratio of 89.1% for the quarter. That's 5.3 points better than Q1 of last year and in line with our long-term averages. Combined ratio for Q1 includes about $15 million of net losses related to the Middle East conflict, and I'll talk about that more in a moment. Return on average equity was 12.7%, and the core ROE was 14.3%, both also in line with our long-term averages. Book value per share was $15.60. That's a slight decline from year-end 2025, but that includes total capital return to shareholders of almost $65 million.

That's made up of $51.5 million in dividends, that includes the special dividend of $1.15 that we paid out in April. And then further share repurchases amounted to just over $13.1 million. Net premiums earned were $111.2 million, relatively flat with the same period of last year. Combined ratio of 89.1% for the first quarter, that includes 19.2 points of cat losses, primarily related to the Middle East war losses and 29 points of favorable prior year reserve development. That compares to Q1 of last year, where the combined ratio was 94.4%, which included 25 points of accident year cat losses and just under 23 points of favorable reserve development.

One thing to point out is that this -- during the first quarter of this year, currency revaluation movements were much less of a feature than some prior quarters and especially compared to the first quarter of last year. All in, we delivered core operating income of $24.4 million or $0.56 per share for the first -- for Q1 of this year versus $19.5 million or $0.42 per share for the first quarter of last year. Specifically on our segment results, we'll start off with the short-tail segment, where conditions continue to be quite mixed. And that's evident in our results for the first quarter.

Rates are still adequate overall, but there's a lot of variation in the level of adequacy from one line to another. And I'll expand on this in a few minutes. Top line was down just by 4%. Underwriting income was down considerably year-over-year, but still in very positive territory at $9.5 million. This is in spite of the level of losses related to the war, again, amounting to about $15 million, mainly recorded in the political violence line, as well as an energy loss in the Persian Gulf. This ultimately really speaks to how we manage risk and the resilience we've built in our portfolio.

In the reinsurance segment, where conditions are becoming more competitive in the business we write, underwriting income was up just under 6% for the first quarter. That's on a lower level of gross written premium and net earned premiums. As I said, there were two programs we non-renewed. But on the flip side, we're starting to see some decent opportunities in the specialty treaty lines. I'll also talk about that in a moment. The long-tail segment was a bright spot in our segment results. We posted 22% increase in top line, driven by new business in most lines, but most notably within the professional indemnity and marine liability lines.

You'll recall that this has been the more challenging area of our portfolio for the past 2, 3 years and where we took the decision to nonrenew business with the expectation that in doing so, the overall profitability profile of the segment would improve. Ultimately, underwriting income was up significantly by about $25 million, and that's on a slightly higher net earned premiums due to a higher volume of premiums written. Just quickly to the balance sheet. Total assets were $2.1 billion. Total investments in cash, $1.3 billion. Allocation to fixed income securities generated just over $14 million investment income in the first quarter, and that's a yield of 4.3%.

And the average duration came down very slightly to 3.5 years. During Q1, we repurchased a little over 545,000 common shares. Average price per share was $24.11. At the end of the quarter, we had about 4.1 million shares still outstanding under our existing 5 million common share repurchase authorization. Total equity was $653.6 million at the end of the quarter, and that includes the almost 65 million share repurchases, the common share dividend mentioned earlier, including the special that was paid in April. Now that compares to total equity of just over $710 million at the end of 2025. Ultimately, we recorded a return on average equity of 12.7% and a core operating ROE of 14.3%.

So very strong results, especially considering the overall market softening and the heightened level of uncertainty around the globe. Now before I turn to our market outlook, I'd just like to expand on some of Wasef's comments about the Middle East as it continues to be an important region for us. And I think that in some pockets, there's still a bit of a perception that IGI is predominantly a Middle Eastern company. Now in reality, we're a truly global company with a strong presence and understanding of all our markets. Now that's particularly true in the Middle East through the -- through our offices in Amman and Dubai, where we've been serving clients for decades now.

Specific losses incurred in the first quarter of the year were primarily in the political violence book and predominantly in the UAE and Bahrain relating to physical damage as well as the energy loss I mentioned earlier on the upstream side relating to damage to an oil facility in the Persian Gulf. Now this provides a good pivot for me to turn to our view of the market. The world is clearly a lot more uncertain today than even a year ago. I mean we're seeing instability in many regions around the world, and this is leading to an interesting dynamic in that we're seeing some decent opportunities come out of this uncertainty and dislocation.

Now it's an unfortunate fact, but a reality or the reality of our business that market corrections and improving conditions only happen after significant loss and tragedy. So what this represents really is a little short-term pain for a longer-term gain. The elevated level of competitive pressure across the market that we talked about on the last quarter's call is still very much prevalent, but our vast diversification, broad product offering, global footprint and the local knowledge that we have provides us with a level of resilience and, as we always say, optionality. Turning a bit to our geographic markets and the opportunities we're seeing. I'll start with the Middle East.

As I mentioned earlier, we've got teams in Amman and Dubai. They work closely with our London teams to capitalize on the opportunities arising from the current dynamic. Where we're seeing the most opportunity here is obviously in the PV line, as that is where the bulk of the losses are. And that's in a market, also, which is long overdue for a risk-adjusted pricing correction. Pricing is now many, many multiples of where it was before the war. And when I say that, I mean in some cases, the rate increases we're achieving are amounting to -- in the thousands of percentage point increases. Policy structures are improving. Limits are shrinking significantly.

And where there's historically been an overabundance of Middle East PV capacity, it's now much, much less ample. There's very clearly a changing perception of war risk in the region. And we can capitalize on that effectively and efficiently because we've already -- we already have the experience, significant experience. We already have the relationships, and we have the presence in the region. Now in other -- in other geographic regions like the U.S., Europe, Asia-Pac, the story is fairly similar to what we've said on prior calls.

I'm not going to spend too much time on this, but we're continuing as always to look at these markets in a bigger way and look at new markets at the same time. Now turning to specific lines of business. I'll start with our reinsurance segment, our treaty portfolio. Margins here are still healthy, but competitive pressures are becoming increasingly prevalent as we've been hearing from everybody else. The opportunities here are more concentrated in specialty treaty lines. And that's where there have been significant losses. So, basically, marine, energy and terror and political violence. You'll recall that we added a new senior specialty treaty reinsurance underwriter last October.

So we're well positioned at the right time to develop and diversify this part of the portfolio. In our long-tail segment, we continue to be cautiously optimistic as we've been saying for the last couple of quarters. We're seeing some new opportunities and good deal flow, and you saw that in our first quarter results, especially in the more niche segments like marine liability. Specifically relating to the Baltimore bridge collapse, back in 2024, we've all seen in the news reports that losses are now estimated to be as high, if not in excess, $2.8 billion. And that makes it the single largest loss in the history of the marine market.

This is affecting marine markets globally, particularly the liability side. I want to be clear that IGI doesn't expect any material change in our loss estimates related to this event that we recorded 2 years ago. Instead, I think this is very clearly an opportunity for us to capitalize on improved pricing and demand for capital to grow and expand our direct liability book. We've already seen some of that in 2026, and it's widely expected that renewal rates for the remainder of this year and into 2027 will continue to improve. Now turning to our short-tail portfolio. I've already spoken about PV. Short-tail marine lines like cargo and specifically cargo war and war on land.

We're seeing some positive traction coming out of the war in the Middle East in these areas. Our energy book and certain areas of our property book, 2 of our largest lines are clearly tougher than a year ago. And even since the beginning of this year, we've seen those competitive pressures further increase to the point of honestly being quite irrational in some cases. Having said that, we continue to see relatively healthy conditions in the more specialist lines like construction and engineering, a continued excellent deal flow and contingency also continues to be a bright spot, and that's a book that continues to grow for us. So definitely some very good opportunities in the pipeline for us.

And this is in spite of the competitive pressures in some of the pockets we spoke about. I mean -- but that, of course, is the nature of our business. In the context of our size, breadth of offering, global footprint, financial strength and ultimately, the expertise of our people, it is a little easier for us to move the dial and write new healthy margin business. We've got a lot of levers to work with, and we're in the position we need to be in right now to take advantage of the opportunities in front of us. Now the underpinning of our strategy and what our track record is built upon, as we've always said, is our disciplined execution.

This is embedded in our DNA. We are a resilient company with an almost quarter of a decade history -- a quarter of a century history, excuse me, of consistency and stability. Our position in the market is much stronger today, and we've shown that we won't compromise on our principles or values under pressure. We've demonstrated clearly that we're not afraid to say no when business doesn't meet our terms or profitability thresholds. And we won't, under any circumstances, sacrifice the bottom line to benefit the top line. Our focus is on intelligence risk selection, paying attention to the small print and being aware of what's going on around us. It's embedded in our corporate culture.

So we will continue to do what we do best. that is to deliver on our promise of being a fair partner to all our stakeholders while generating superior value for our shareholders. So I'm going to pause here, and we will turn it over for questions. Operator, we're ready to take the first question, please.

Operator: [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Rowland Mayor with RBC Capital Markets.

Rowland Mayor: I wanted to quickly say that given all that's going on in the Middle East, I hope everyone at IGIC's family is safe and then congrats on a strong year given all the moving pieces.

Waleed Jabsheh: Thank you, Rowland. No, I'm glad to say that everybody is in good shape and spirits.

Rowland Mayor: Could you help me with this large non-cat energy loss? And what was the size of it and what happened there?

Waleed Jabsheh: Yes. Basically, I mean, this is an event that actually was a direct -- indirect consequence of the war where a large support vessel in the energy industry collided into an offshore oil platform. The circumstances around it are not the precautions, but I believe the unfortunate actions that were taken to -- because of the war and the circumstances around the fighting, where, not enough safety measures were taken, and GPS was turned off, lights were turned off and they decided to make a run for it and ended up colliding with an offshore platform. So it was an unfortunate incident, but that's what we're here for.

In terms of the amount for us, that loss amounted to about $10.5 million net to us in the quarter. So those were the circumstances of the loss.

Rowland Mayor: Okay. That's very helpful. And then I wanted to ask on the durability of the opportunity in the political violence and war market. With all the excess capital in the industry today, would you expect that to be durable? Or do you think people will start to rush in once there's some signs of stability in the region?

Waleed Jabsheh: I mean it depends on your perception of the region. I mean if you're asking me, I can't control what the rest of the market does. I don't think if a political agreement is -- comes to fruition, I don't think that necessarily should or would result in the market piling back in and ignoring what's happened over the last couple of months. I think there's a lot of pain. I mentioned or -- Wasef mentioned the estimated market losses are upwards of EUR 3 billion, and some are talking close to EUR 4 billion. You take that into -- put that into context, the global political violence market premium is estimated to be around $1.5 billion.

So it's been -- this event on its own in one of the smallest PV markets actually in the world, has created so much pain and agony for those involved. So I think regardless of what happens politically, the uncertainty will continue to be there. And I think this -- I'm hoping is a long-term opportunity where, we could quickly make back a lot of the losses that we've incurred and the market can as a whole. As I mentioned earlier, I mean, we're seeing huge, huge multiples in rate increases. And like I said, in some cases, over in the thousands of percent.

And so as I mentioned as well, short-term pain for longer term gain, and I truly believe that is the case on this occasion.

Rowland Mayor: And then if I could squeeze in one more. It looks like the first quarter had bigger reserve releases than other quarters. Can you maybe just walk through what drove the development this quarter?

Waleed Jabsheh: Yes. I mean I think that's just reinforces what we've always said on of how we approach the reserving side. I mean, if -- putting aside the events of the quarter, I mean, it was an unbelievable quarter for us and prior years continue to perform ahead of expectation. Now the releases weren't concentrated in any specific segment. It was pretty much across the board. But I think it's just a testament to the cautious approach that we always said we take to reserve releases. And we expect that pattern to continue in the coming quarters and years.

As the market deteriorates, I mean, just to give you an idea, as the market -- as we plan, as we update our plans every 6 to 12 months, we update our plan loss ratios, based on our expectation and based on the changing market conditions. And so with the competitive pressures that we've been seeing recently, obviously, our approach will become more cautious. And in the initial 12 months of any accident here, we're pretty much reserving to plan. And following that, we start to take a hard look at actual true incurred performance. And on that basis, that dictates the -- what you call it, the amount or level of reserve development that occurs.

Operator: Our next question comes from the line of Michael Phillips with Oppenheimer.

Michael Phillips: I guess first quick numbers question. Can you give a dollar impact of the two reinsurance contracts that roll off in the quarter?

Waleed Jabsheh: From -- I mean, these are portfolios of business that we reinsure. Now one of them -- I mean, it combined, it's probably in the mid to high single-digit millions of dollars in terms of GWP. Now one of them, just to give you some clarity around that, Mike, is that the one we chose to walk away from was because obviously, as we mentioned, we had -- we brought in a specialty treaty underwriter tail end of last year. And that is the book that he would write is something similar to -- what you call it, is similar to what the book that we walked away from.

So it's basically bringing that in-house capability in-house rather than relying on -- or piggybacking on somebody else's portfolio. And then the second one, as I said, the cedent would you call it, decided they wanted to retain the portfolio rather than reinsure part of it out, plain and simple.

Michael Phillips: Okay. And I just kind of want to circle over on the Middle East stuff. Opportunity is obviously going to come from this. Waleed, when you talk about multiples of rate increases that are in the thousands. I guess I'm trying to get a sense of -- I think political violence for you is in terms of premium is, low single-digit, but other lines that could be affected to create opportunity. Is there a way you can help us think about what's your mix of overall premium that could be affected by this in terms of these opportunities? Political violence, again, is a big loss line, but I think, again, it's only, what, 2% or 3% of your premium.

So what other lines when you talk about these rate increases that are so strong because of what's happened in the Middle East could be affected by your book?

Waleed Jabsheh: In terms of giving an idea on premium, I think it's very difficult and very early to be able to give any sort of ideas. But I mean, by far, the most -- what do you call it, the line that will have -- will be impacted in the conditions -- terms and conditions will be impacted the most and 100% based on what we've seen and experienced so far is on the political violence side. Not only are the rates multiplying by 10, 15, 20x, but the limits are shrinking, capacity is dwindling. Line sizes are being adjusted by all the players.

Now where I think there's definitely opportunity is again on the marine side, especially on marine -- anything to do related with war, hull war, cargo war, war on land. But we haven't seen the activity in those areas come to fruition in the same -- to the same level that we see in the political violence side. I think it will come. Ultimately, the Strait of Hormuz is effectively still shut with a limited number of ships going in and out. And until those ships are able to now to sail freely, you're not going to see the abundance of that business.

So when that happens, I think that you're going to be seeing plenty of opportunity in those lines of business. But our big focus right now is on the political violence side. And I think that's the -- what you call it, the hanging fruit, if you want to call it that. And I think that will continue. And as I reiterate in my response to Roland's question, I think this is going to be a prolonged opportunity.

Where markets will be making their money back, I believe, in quite a short period of time because the conditions regardless of what political agreements or resolutions, I think there were always following these last couple of months, there always the heightened level of uncertainty and cautiousness by the market will stick around for quite a bit, and it should.

Michael Phillips: The type -- I guess next question is a little weird, but the type of losses that you experienced from these events in the Middle East, do they offer -- they are different kind of losses that we're sort of used to given the infrequent nature of these kind of things. But do these offer any different opportunity for you to have recoverables later? The example you gave of the non-cat loss and the oil rig, made me think of this. But are there different types of opportunities for recoverables from war events down the road?

Waleed Jabsheh: Nothing outside of the ordinary. I mean, war is war, nobody -- there's no sort of recovery in terms of subrogation or anything like that, that you can think I don't see that happening. Now in terms of the energy loss itself, obviously, the owners of the platform can recover or so look to recover from the owners of the vessel. Now we ensure the platform. We don't -- we have nothing to do with the vessel itself. So over time, we may be able to recover from the owners of the vessel. And it's pretty clear what happened.

The issue you have here is there are statute limitations based on maritime law that limit how much you can recover regardless of the extent of the damage. And that depends on the vessel and its size and its various characteristics of the vessel. We're not 100% certain what those limitations are in this case. But my suspicion is that there will be an element of recovery. I'm not confident that it will be a significant element relative to the size of the actual loss in 100% terms.

Michael Phillips: Okay. And then maybe just last one, kind of on the same topic. 1Q, we had March. Is there -- is it fair for us to maybe just extrapolate? -- I guess the question is really, what since 1Q look like for those type of losses since the end of the quarter?

Waleed Jabsheh: Sorry, I didn't get that, Mike.

Michael Phillips: Yes. Just as we think about 2Q and cat losses for you guys, given the exposure in the Middle East, is it fair for us to kind of think about you had 1 month of losses in March and maybe just extrapolate from there what the second quarter might look like once we see that?

Waleed Jabsheh: I mean, March was definitely the busiest month. And will there be a continued development of these losses in Q2? Undoubtedly, of course. I mean, any losses that happen will continue to develop. And the -- there was further activity in April. Now most of April was fairly quiet, except for the first week, 10 days. So the event is not necessarily over. And obviously, if there is no political solution to all of this, I'm hoping there is, but if there isn't, then the situation will continue to evolve and develop. I think the positive thing about political violence business is that the coverages are all provided on an aggregate basis.

So once you -- once -- if you get -- as a loss impacts a specific policy that erodes all the limit purchased, there is no second or third event that can happen. It's an aggregate policy and that coverage is exhausted and you're not exposed to it anymore. So that's the positive aspect. So in answer to your question, will there be continued development? Yes. I would expect that development to be more limited than it was in Q1.

Operator: This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to the management for closing remarks.

Waleed Jabsheh: Well, thank you all for joining us today, as always, and thanks for your continued support for IGI. If anybody has any additional questions, please contact Robin and she'll be happy to assist. And we look forward to speaking to you all on the Q2 call. Have a good day, everyone. Thank you.

Operator: The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.